The Darth Vader and Princess Leia books are great. I thin the time period is pretty interesting, personally.
Best exchange int the comics so far:
Luke (to Vader): You killed my father!
Vader: You're going to have to be more specific, I've killed a lot of fathers.
The Darth Vader and Princess Leia books are great. I thin the time period is pretty interesting, personally.
Best exchange int the comics so far:
Luke (to Vader): You killed my father!
Vader: You're going to have to be more specific, I've killed a lot of fathers.
Epic Bad-Ass!
I'm enjoying them as well. Of course, we've only had two issues of Vader and the second issue of Leia is due out this week but so far so good. The new Star Wars comic is decent as well.
I know Star Wars is going to be a regular title for Marvel, but unless I'm mistaken isn't the Leia comic just a mini-series? I'm not sure if Vader is a mini-series as well or if its going to be on-going.
You've done invaluable work on this thread and it's epic Jay13x, but I kinda agree with DrWorm: I think it's an interesting time period, with plenty of potential. Obviously it's because there is a lengthy time period between ANH and ESB, but even casual fans sometime wonder: what took place during those events? There is quite a bit to explore.
Oh, and I thought the first season of Star Wars: Rebels was superb.
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I'm enjoying them as well. Of course, we've only had two issues of Vader and the second issue of Leia is due out this week but so far so good. The new Star Wars comic is decent as well.
I know Star Wars is going to be a regular title for Marvel, but unless I'm mistaken isn't the Leia comic just a mini-series? I'm not sure if Vader is a mini-series as well or if its going to be on-going.
You've done invaluable work on this thread and it's epic Jay13x, but I kinda agree with DrWorm: I think it's an interesting time period, with plenty of potential. Obviously it's because there is a lengthy time period between ANH and ESB, but even casual fans sometime wonder: what took place during those events? There is quite a bit to explore.
Oh, and I thought the first season of Star Wars: Rebels was superb.
Yea, Leia is set to be a mini-series, but if marvel sees enough support for something they can pretty quickly change things like that.
I can see why some might not be too jazzed with the period, since it is not much of a leap of narrative to assume that what was happening was just military procedure rather than adventure. For me, however, it is the adventure of keeping barely one step ahead of the empire that is fun. Between movie periods will always be somewhat limited by narrative bookends.
You've done invaluable work on this thread and it's epic Jay13x, but I kinda agree with DrWorm: I think it's an interesting time period, with plenty of potential. Obviously it's because there is a lengthy time period between ANH and ESB, but even casual fans sometime wonder: what took place during those events? There is quite a bit to explore.
Fair enough guys. So far all three Marvel comics are pretty great. I think my issue is that most of the character development doesn't happen until the Empire, and the stakes are relatively low since we already know exactly how things turn out.
However, the Dark Horse comic did good work in this time period, too, so I'll give it more of a chance.
My only real issue is that they'll fall into a couple common prequel type tracks, like Luke almost already losing his Lightsaber and the confrontation with Vader (although it was an awesome resolution that he realized he's nowhere near ready).
Best exchange int the comics so far:
Luke (to Vader): You killed my father!
Vader: You're going to have to be more specific, I've killed a lot of fathers.
It was definitely on par with Bison's 'For me, it was a tuesday' to Chun Li in the otherwise awful street fighter movie.
The Darth Vader and Princess Leia books are great. I thin the time period is pretty interesting, personally.
Exploration of the time between A New Hope and Empire is certainly interesting, however...
Best exchange int the comics so far:
Luke (to Vader): You killed my father!
Vader: You're going to have to be more specific, I've killed a lot of fathers.
Epic Bad-Ass!
Wow... That... If that's the best exchange, I've suddenly lost all interest in this comic series.
Seriously, it's out of character and contradicts the movies. Please tell me the rest of the comic is better, I was actually really interested in this concept.
What about Vader being a badass and mocking upstarts using the fact that he has murdered hundreds of soldiers is out of character? Seriously. Vader is the most intimidating thing in the galaxy...he should talk like he knows it.
Wow... That... If that's the best exchange, I've suddenly lost all interest in this comic series.
Seriously, it's out of character and contradicts the movies. Please tell me the rest of the comic is better, I was actually really interested in this concept.
This is well before Vader knows Luke is his son, when Luke stupidly decides to try and take him on with at best a week of Jedi training under his belt.
How is it out of character? In ANH, Vader threatens and bullies everyone he encounters. He taunts Leia with the genocide of her people. Quipping about killing a lot of fathers doesn't seem like a stretch.
This is well before Vader knows Luke is his son, when Luke stupidly decides to try and take him on with at best a week of Jedi training under his belt.
Yeah, I gathered, but like... That's completely nonsensical. There's so many reasons why that doesn't work:
1. It doesn't make sense in terms of the timeline. WHEN did this fight occur, and why did neither Luke or Vader mention this in their dialogue on Cloud City? Why is it pretty clear this is Vader's first time interacting with Luke on Cloud City?
2. It's completely out of character for Obi-Wan to not tell Luke to stay the hell away from Vader. Especially since that's exactly what he does in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.
3. Seriously? That dialogue isn't going to result in Luke name-dropping Anakin Skywalker?
4. Seriously? Vader isn't going to know from their interaction that Luke's his son? Even accepting the George Lucas revision that Vader didn't know Luke Skywalker was the presence in the Force he felt until after the Empire told him, Vader's not going to figure that out?
5. It's completely out of character for Vader because...
How is it out of character? In ANH, Vader threatens and bullies everyone he encounters. He taunts Leia with the genocide of her people. Quipping about killing a lot of fathers doesn't seem like a stretch.
When does Darth Vader make flippant one-liners? When does Darth Vader crack a joke period?
The fact that we're comparing Vader to M. Bison from the movie adaptation of Street Fighter is a salient indication that someone's doing it wrong. Vader is not a ham. The Emperor is a scenary-chewing villain, but Vader isn't.
1. It doesn't make sense in terms of the timeline. WHEN did this fight occur, and why did neither Luke or Vader mention this in their dialogue on Cloud City? Why is it pretty clear this is Vader's first time interacting with Luke on Cloud City?
This is sometime between ANH and ESB. And to be fair, nothing in ESB contradicts this, either. No one says 'Wow, Vader - who I haven't seen since the Death Star'. They all speak about Vader fairly familiarly.
2. It's completely out of character for Obi-Wan to not tell Luke to stay the hell away from Vader. Especially since that's exactly what he does in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.
Obi-Wan does tell Luke to stay away. Luke stupidly charges in. It's only when he actually confronts Vader while trying to free some slaves that he realizes how hopeless outmatched he is and tries to run.
In fact, the exact details of what happens is that Vader arrives on a planet where the Rebels are conducting an op to disrupt Imperial production. Luke went off on his own to free some slaves, and was looking for another group when confronted by Vader (who had sensed him). Obi-Wan's voice tells Luke: "Luke... Luke... Listen to me carefully... RUN." (With 'Run' being on the final page showing Vader approaching Luke. The next issue has a short exchange where Vader berates whoever sent Luke to die, and Vader takes Luke's lightsaber, and is distracted when he recognizes it as his own (at which point other things happen).
4. Seriously? Vader isn't going to know from their interaction that Luke's his son? Even accepting the George Lucas revision that Vader didn't know Luke Skywalker was the presence in the Force he felt until after the Empire told him, Vader's not going to figure that out?
That's exactly the purpose of the Darth Vader comic, which spins off from Vader's point of view shortly after this confrontation. Vader tries to figure out who the rebel pilot/Luke is.
Remember, at this point Vader doesn't even know his name. This comic only established to Vader that the boy with Obi-wan and the Rebel Pilot from the Death Star are the same person.
5. It's completely out of character for Vader because...
The fact that we're comparing Vader to M. Bison from the movie adaptation of Street Fighter is a salient indication that someone's doing it wrong. Vader is not a ham. The Emperor is a scenary-chewing villain, but Vader isn't.
I'm comparing the line to M. Bison's in terms of it's deliciously evilness. In context it's just Vader intimidating Luke after taking his Lightsaber. He's not quipping, he's scaring an untrained boy.
This is sometime between ANH and ESB. And to be fair, nothing in ESB contradicts this, either. No one says 'Wow, Vader - who I haven't seen since the Death Star'. They all speak about Vader fairly familiarly.
What are you talking about? EVERYTHING contradicts this in Empire Strikes Back. At no point is the fight between Luke and Vader ever referenced. Luke never brings up that this fight took place. Vader never brings up that this fight took place. Obi-Wan doesn't bring up that this fight took place. Yoda doesn't bring up that this fight took place.
There is every indication that the Cloud City encounter was Luke's first real encounter with Darth Vader. Neither Vader or Luke ever mention they fought before, because they've never fought before. The whole movie builds up to this confrontation. Storywise, this is Luke and Vader's first encounter. To have them confront each other before that moment totally contradicts the story of the original trilogy.
Moreover, it's ******* stupid. Seriously? Vader's not going to say, "We meet again" and taunt Luke about the last time they fought? Luke's not going to mention at any point fighting Vader to anyone? Obi-Wan and Yoda, in an attempt to steer Luke away from Cloud City, aren't going to say, "Remember the last time you fought Vader"?
This is one of those "... though it make the unskillful laugh, cannot but make the judicious grieve..." moments. Like Yoda lightsaber fighting, it's a moment of fanservice that makes someone say, "Wow, cool!" but makes zero sense in the context of the story it's telling.
Obi-Wan does tell Luke to stay away. Luke stupidly charges in. It's only when he actually confronts Vader while trying to free some slaves that he realizes how hopeless outmatched he is and tries to run.
Why doesn't Obi-Wan tell Luke to run during the fight like he does in A New Hope?
Moreover, why doesn't Luke actually run?
That's exactly the purpose of the Darth Vader comic, which spins off from Vader's point of view shortly after this confrontation. Vader tries to figure out who the rebel pilot/Luke is.
Ok, this is where we run into problems because Vader either does or does not know prior to his dialogue with the Emperor of Luke's existence, depending on the version of Empire Strikes Back you are watching. In the original, he does.
Still, when a guy runs at Vader with Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber, it tends to totally throw off the whole "Vader not knowing his son is alive" thing. And if we take that he does, how does he not figure this out during the fight? Why doesn't he already know?
I'm comparing the line to M. Bison's in terms of it's deliciously evilness.
That's the problem. Vader does not have moustache-twirling villain lines. That's not Darth Vader.
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Best exchange int the comics so far:
Luke (to Vader): You killed my father!
Vader: You're going to have to be more specific, I've killed a lot of fathers.
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I'm enjoying them as well. Of course, we've only had two issues of Vader and the second issue of Leia is due out this week but so far so good. The new Star Wars comic is decent as well.
I know Star Wars is going to be a regular title for Marvel, but unless I'm mistaken isn't the Leia comic just a mini-series? I'm not sure if Vader is a mini-series as well or if its going to be on-going.
You've done invaluable work on this thread and it's epic Jay13x, but I kinda agree with DrWorm: I think it's an interesting time period, with plenty of potential. Obviously it's because there is a lengthy time period between ANH and ESB, but even casual fans sometime wonder: what took place during those events? There is quite a bit to explore.
Oh, and I thought the first season of Star Wars: Rebels was superb.
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I can see why some might not be too jazzed with the period, since it is not much of a leap of narrative to assume that what was happening was just military procedure rather than adventure. For me, however, it is the adventure of keeping barely one step ahead of the empire that is fun. Between movie periods will always be somewhat limited by narrative bookends.
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However, the Dark Horse comic did good work in this time period, too, so I'll give it more of a chance.
My only real issue is that they'll fall into a couple common prequel type tracks, like Luke almost already losing his Lightsaber and the confrontation with Vader (although it was an awesome resolution that he realized he's nowhere near ready).
It was definitely on par with Bison's 'For me, it was a tuesday' to Chun Li in the otherwise awful street fighter movie.
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Why would we want that? We have the original trilogy. We don't need another original trilogy.
Exploration of the time between A New Hope and Empire is certainly interesting, however...
Wow... That... If that's the best exchange, I've suddenly lost all interest in this comic series.
Seriously, it's out of character and contradicts the movies. Please tell me the rest of the comic is better, I was actually really interested in this concept.
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How is it out of character? In ANH, Vader threatens and bullies everyone he encounters. He taunts Leia with the genocide of her people. Quipping about killing a lot of fathers doesn't seem like a stretch.
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1. It doesn't make sense in terms of the timeline. WHEN did this fight occur, and why did neither Luke or Vader mention this in their dialogue on Cloud City? Why is it pretty clear this is Vader's first time interacting with Luke on Cloud City?
2. It's completely out of character for Obi-Wan to not tell Luke to stay the hell away from Vader. Especially since that's exactly what he does in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.
3. Seriously? That dialogue isn't going to result in Luke name-dropping Anakin Skywalker?
4. Seriously? Vader isn't going to know from their interaction that Luke's his son? Even accepting the George Lucas revision that Vader didn't know Luke Skywalker was the presence in the Force he felt until after the Empire told him, Vader's not going to figure that out?
5. It's completely out of character for Vader because...
When does Darth Vader make flippant one-liners? When does Darth Vader crack a joke period?
The fact that we're comparing Vader to M. Bison from the movie adaptation of Street Fighter is a salient indication that someone's doing it wrong. Vader is not a ham. The Emperor is a scenary-chewing villain, but Vader isn't.
Obi-Wan does tell Luke to stay away. Luke stupidly charges in. It's only when he actually confronts Vader while trying to free some slaves that he realizes how hopeless outmatched he is and tries to run.
In fact, the exact details of what happens is that Vader arrives on a planet where the Rebels are conducting an op to disrupt Imperial production. Luke went off on his own to free some slaves, and was looking for another group when confronted by Vader (who had sensed him). Obi-Wan's voice tells Luke: "Luke... Luke... Listen to me carefully... RUN." (With 'Run' being on the final page showing Vader approaching Luke. The next issue has a short exchange where Vader berates whoever sent Luke to die, and Vader takes Luke's lightsaber, and is distracted when he recognizes it as his own (at which point other things happen).
It's not much of a dialogue. Luke is getting berated by Vader while getting beat up. Luke is kind of tongue-tied.
That's exactly the purpose of the Darth Vader comic, which spins off from Vader's point of view shortly after this confrontation. Vader tries to figure out who the rebel pilot/Luke is.
Remember, at this point Vader doesn't even know his name. This comic only established to Vader that the boy with Obi-wan and the Rebel Pilot from the Death Star are the same person.
I'm comparing the line to M. Bison's in terms of it's deliciously evilness. In context it's just Vader intimidating Luke after taking his Lightsaber. He's not quipping, he's scaring an untrained boy.
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There is every indication that the Cloud City encounter was Luke's first real encounter with Darth Vader. Neither Vader or Luke ever mention they fought before, because they've never fought before. The whole movie builds up to this confrontation. Storywise, this is Luke and Vader's first encounter. To have them confront each other before that moment totally contradicts the story of the original trilogy.
Moreover, it's ******* stupid. Seriously? Vader's not going to say, "We meet again" and taunt Luke about the last time they fought? Luke's not going to mention at any point fighting Vader to anyone? Obi-Wan and Yoda, in an attempt to steer Luke away from Cloud City, aren't going to say, "Remember the last time you fought Vader"?
This is one of those "... though it make the unskillful laugh, cannot but make the judicious grieve..." moments. Like Yoda lightsaber fighting, it's a moment of fanservice that makes someone say, "Wow, cool!" but makes zero sense in the context of the story it's telling.
Why doesn't Obi-Wan tell Luke to run during the fight like he does in A New Hope?
Moreover, why doesn't Luke actually run?
Ok, this is where we run into problems because Vader either does or does not know prior to his dialogue with the Emperor of Luke's existence, depending on the version of Empire Strikes Back you are watching. In the original, he does.
Still, when a guy runs at Vader with Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber, it tends to totally throw off the whole "Vader not knowing his son is alive" thing. And if we take that he does, how does he not figure this out during the fight? Why doesn't he already know?
That's the problem. Vader does not have moustache-twirling villain lines. That's not Darth Vader.
You also tend to be a lot more selective than I am, so maybe just check out the first two issues and see
I don't think it's a great comic, but I enjoyed it. It's the nature of 'interquels' to skirt the edges of what has been established.
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