MTG Salvation

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c) Eldrazi has a sharp curve, but is definitely better suited for his roommate, who has prior (and current) gaming knowledge. To learnMagic through Eldrazi, you get everything soldiers gives, plus you also gain knowledge about activated abilities of creatures, triggered abilities, and non-basic lands. For him, I think Eldrazi would be better, seeing as how you can bring him in as an advanced player, not as a n00b.

activated abilities? like say, knight captain of eos? elspeth and ajani match up with garruk and nissa.

triggered abilities, like say knight of the white orchid, or kazandu blademaster?

non-basic lands, like emeria the sky ruin?

All of this stuff is in soldiers, and they don't get blown out by jund charm. eldrazi is a much worse deck than soldiers, which is why eldrazi has all but died and soldiers still makes respectable showings.

edit: pm for the draft tomorrow is going out. so far we have 6 people showing interest, 5 confirmed attendees. i have confirmed that the product is the first batch of boxes, so there could be a treasure inside

happy thanksgiving everyone

I am back for this weekend and I'd be up for that draft...though I would need to bum a ride if it were to be in Queens. Same thing goes for FNM at Marks'

mikey K , fog isnt going to do well... its going to be epic fail, dont play it.

Quote from Samoht

soldiers

i guess it's OK. i was more looking for a deck i could build and pass on, but instead i'll just build a few standard decks and make do with that. besides, elves dies a horrible death to jund. ask orion what i did to his elves last week. (i will admit, i cascaded like a champ in both games.)

Quote from technomancer

happy thanksgiving everyone

same. hope everyone had a great thanksgiving... of course excepting for the giants...

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I am back for this weekend and I'd be up for that draft...though I would need to bum a ride if it were to be in Queens. Same thing goes for FNM at Marks'

it can happen, but you'd be fifth man in the car. get in touch with me tomorrow.

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mikey K , fog isnt going to do well... its going to be epic fail, dont play it.

QFT.

question for the clan: what decks would YOU consider as important decks to test against in this meta?

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i guess it's OK. i was more looking for a deck i could build and pass on, but instead i'll just build a few standard decks and make do with that. besides, elves dies a horrible death to jund.

soldiers wins games and is autopilot...plus it has interactions (especially w/ harm's way over pte that can really open up a player to strategy.

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ask orion what i did to his elves last week. (i will admit, i cascaded like a champ in both games.)

you mean to say that you played jund.

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question for the clan: what decks would YOU consider as important decks to test against in this meta?

this is the meta:

t1
jund cascade
jund ramp
soldiers
mono red haste
team america (the standard one (RUW control))
bushwacker
naya
bgw rock

t2
vampires
mono white control
mono black control
elves
jacerater
bant
crypt crab unearth

be knowledgeable about all of it.

imo play jund, naya, bant, or red haste.

Quote from Samoht

soldiers wins games and is autopilot...plus it has interactions (especially w/ harm's way over pte that can really open up a player to strategy.



you mean to say that you played jund.



this is the meta:

t1
jund cascade
jund ramp
soldiers
mono red haste
team america (the standard one (RUW control))
bushwacker
naya
bgw rock

t2
vampires
mono white control
mono black control
elves
jacerater
bant
crypt crab unearth

be knowledgeable about all of it.

imo play jund, naya, bant, or red haste.

couldnt have said it better myself, just don't play fog, it never works.

if you want to play a deck that consistently beats jund, at least before sb, play mono white control. after sb its 50/50 imo.

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soldiers wins games and is autopilot...plus it has interactions (especially w/ harm's way over pte that can really open up a player to strategy.

yeah that's a good start i think.

you mean to say that you played jund.

duh.

this is the meta:
t1
jund cascade - my deck, making a few tweaks
jund ramp - doesn't seem much different from the cascade deck
soldiers - got a list
mono red haste - was shipped a list
team america (RUW control) - got a list
bushwacker - using the list i'll be building for mikey
naya - using worlds list
bgw rock - got a list

t2
vampires - got a list
mono white control - was shipped a list
mono black control - couldn't find a list i liked
elves - using the list i built for orion
jacerater - not sure which deck this is
bant - was shipped a list
crypt crab unearth - found a monoblack, no-crab list that i liked.

added in my notes. doing this to build a test gauntlet just to have around. i want to play more practice games in my spare time without using MWS...

also i want to get a monday night going at my house to test and tweak for standard. anyone interested in this, please let me know!

GoC, Im down for Monday night testing...we discussed that prior, and I can definitely make it down there, just give me a time...

@samoht would it be cool if i came over to your place tonight for testing, and to build the models?

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also i want to get a monday night going at my house to test and tweak for standard. anyone interested in this, please let me know!

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GoC, Im down for Monday night testing...we discussed that prior, and I can definitely make it down there, just give me a time...

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Count me in to, Ill work it around my scheduale.

Just an FYI, states is this Saturday, so testing afterwards is not as productive. I might be able to make it down there. goc, i have some tweaks to jund + bant that you might be interested in -- call me if you want.

Jacerator is the UW deck that runs Safe Passage, Sunspring Exp, Angelsong, Jace and Time Warp. It's ok, but it still gets rolled by aggro half the time...how can a deck with *** and fog deck get rolled by aggro?

Jund Ramp play Lotus Cobra, Khalni Heart, Harrow, Mold Shambler, Acidic Slime, and Violent Ultimatum. It is very different from the cascade build. As it doesn't run BBE or BB I cant see how it is even close.



to anyone interested, from 7:30pm-11pm 12/1 12/2 and 12/3 I am hosting standard testing. Feel free to bring your deck(s) or pilot my builds. Open invitation to any NYC DK that I know. Feel free to bring friends. All I ask is that you contact me before showing up on my doorstep. If you don't have my number, PM me.

Nere is already coming tonight, and Gungadi probably as well.

can someone pm me the details for states this Saturday? u would like to attend. tkz

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can someone pm me the details for states this Saturday? u would like to attend. tkz

ditto - I can't seem to find it listed on mtg.com...

Quote from mikey k159

Here ya go.

http://www.the2009s.com/New_York.htm

I just got the email about this saturday which is funny.

sweet thanks mikeyK. but it literally says "open to all magic players, regardless of the state you live in". Anyone tempted to drive to Rhode island ?

anywho - so KG is really going to fit 100-200 people? I can't wait to see/smell this ordeal. At least I can get there via mass transit. hooray. What's the haps on fnm? everyone going to Mark's? I'll prob be heading to KG. I haven't solidified my deck, as to whether it be another rogue creation or a tweaked pro-build. time (and friday's FNM) will only tell...

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Here ya go.

http://www.the2009s.com/New_York.htm

I just got the email about this saturday which is funny.

thanks mikey, i hope that you and everyone else in the clan for the exception of those who have to work *cough*DMX*cough* will be there representing the clan. there is even talks of spliff showing up!!!

hey everyone, i was just wondering if anyone could tell me what time it starts. based off of that is if im going to reschedule or take off from work. also if anyone could hitch me a ride there, ill pay car fare/gas of course.

alot of fun testing tonight, got rolled by samohts deck but learned alot.

yeah i gotta take off from work than.
anyone know the trains there from queens?

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yeah i gotta take off from work than.
anyone know the trains there from queens?

just go to hopstop.com and use their address for best directions. it's off the Q, though iirc two or three buses get there too.

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Just an FYI, states is this Saturday, so testing afterwards is not as productive.

since i'm not making it to states (:argh: at SAT proctoring!), it's completely irrelevant.

I might be able to make it down there. goc, i have some tweaks to jund + bant that you might be interested in -- call me if you want.

no doubt, i'll be in touch with you tonight. i have off work tomorrow, so i will be assembling the gauntlet then.

Jacerator is the UW deck that runs Safe Passage, Sunspring Exp, Angelsong, Jace and Time Warp.

thanks, didn't see any lists with that, but perhaps i was looking in the wrong place.

It's ok, but it still gets rolled by aggro half the time...how can a deck with *** and fog deck get rolled by aggro?

draw like me

Jund Ramp play Lotus Cobra, Khalni Heart, Harrow, Mold Shambler, Acidic Slime, and Violent Ultimatum. It is very different from the cascade build. As it doesn't run BBE or BB I cant see how it is even close.

didn't see any of those either. the only jund variants i saw were dropping garruk/etc. for rampant growth.

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What's the haps on fnm? everyone going to Mark's?

i'll be there, as per usual.

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thanks mikey, i hope that you and everyone else in the clan for the exception of those who have to work *cough*DMX*cough* will be there representing the clan. there is even talks of spliff showing up!!!

well, good luck to you all, as i also have to pay my respects to the god of employment one saturday a year, and, for the second year in a row, it's the same day as states. frown. town.

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anyone know the trains there from queens?

Q train, kings highway stop leaves you literally around the corner (store is on E 15 off of kings highway, train lets you out on KH between E 15 and E 16). bus service: B82, B7, B2 (IIRC, it's been ages since i had to take a bus!).

holy crap, thats a hike and a half.
does anyone know if blackening is going?

Quote from god of cyanide

no doubt, i'll be in touch with you tonight. i have off work tomorrow, so i will be assembling the gauntlet then.

Ok, feel free to call me. Had a good session with Gunga and Nere yestarday.

There is rumors of Snowtreds showing up, others are welcome --heck if you want to show up tomorrow since you're off you're more than welcome GoC (is it holy ☺☺☺☺ day?).

Feel free to contact me if you are interested, we have more room/food available to all comers.

Quote from mikey k159

I don't want a deck that consistently beats just jund, I want a deck that will top 8/top 4/win champs... That's all, and the boros deck can do it I think.
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well seeing as half the field will prolly be jund....AGAIN.... i think a deck that can beat jund is a good start at accomplishing your goal. boros is also a good deck vs. jund, and im sure is alot of fun to play as you have already stated... g/l everyone!!

boros is NOT good vs jund, especially the smart ones with MD Charm and Nighthawk. They will roll right through bushwacker.

Samoht: I might be in for testing tomorrow night (I'm not playing in states, but I'm bored). Cell me if this is OK (5166707108).