First of all, Kroen's a guy. I don't have the slightest idea why he decided to act like a girl, but hey, it's not the first time someone on this forum has lied about their gender.
He got all of his pictures from google images.
I take slight offense to the part I bolded due to the fact that I had lied about my gender at first. I joined pretending to be a boy cause I was afraid of what people thought of a girl who liked MTG. She'd be like some card geek. I cared too much about what anyone said, and once I came out about my true gender as a girl, some found it a little confusing and hard to believe. I know that it was my fault, but I hope that everyone trusts and believes me. Then again, if you don't I could care less.
I take slight offense to the part I bolded due to the fact that I had lied about my gender at first. I joined pretending to be a boy cause I was afraid of what people thought of a girl who liked MTG. She'd be like some card geek. I cared too much about what anyone said, and once I came out about my true gender as a girl, some found it a little confusing and hard to believe. I know that it was my fault, but I hope that everyone trusts and believes me. Then again, if you don't I could care less.
It's really disgusting how there's a double standard on these forums; if you compare threads in the "Introduce Yourself" forum, girls always get such a rough time while boys are so openly welcomed. Quite unfair, if you ask me.
Also, it's "I couldn't care less." I hate being a grammar Nazi, but it's in my blood! My mom was a freelance editor for several years before she retired, and thus I have an inherent nature to correct incorrect grammar/syntax/spelling.
One thing I have learned and now openly accept is that the gender which people choose to express themselves with is often more honest than the gender they are born with. If someone presents themselves to me pretending to be a girl, then I accept that with no problem. Where it becomes an issue and where this practice gets the bad name is when people do it for special attention.
One of my best online friends ever spent the first 3 years I knew her as a guy, simply to be taken seriously in the gaming threads. I respect her greatly and ultimately had no problem with it. Mind you people do not seem to mind girls pretending to be boys vs boys pretending to be girls. That is a double standard. Notice how in society it is far more acceptable for a girl to where boys clothes (we do not even notice 99% of the time) than for a guy to wear womens clothing? The "Tomboy" stereotype is also far more acceptable than a guy who has alot of feminine characteristics.
Anyways...
I borrowed season one of House from a friend this weekend and watched the first 5 episodes last night. This show is so awesome. Well written, deep, intelligent. Anyone else watch it?
Mind you people do not seem to mind girls pretending to be boys vs boys pretending to be girls. That is a double standard. Notice how in society it is far more acceptable for a girl to where boys clothes (we do not even notice 99% of the time) than for a guy to wear womens clothing? The "Tomboy" stereotype is also far more acceptable than a guy who has alot of feminine characteristics.
Totally agreed, I was just talking about this the other day. Right now though, it's a little acceptable for the fact that it's part of the Emo-fad. Surprisingly, women are attracted to guys who dress in some women's clothing (not necessarily the distinctly women's clothing like dresses or skirts, but in women's jeans). Of course, when the fad drifts away (and I'll be quite happy when it goes the way of Grunge) the double-standards will form again.
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I love womens Jeans, even before it was a fad I wore them sometimes. Not the kind with girly frills and such on them, even on girls those usually look silly. My fav pair of jeans was a pair of Ralph Laurens womens jeans I got at a sale at a community center for 5 bux (they were donated from a store, and still had the %200 price tag in the pocket...god I was sexy in them)
Men generally get much more boring cuts and designs of clothing.
One thing I have learned and now openly accept is that the gender which people choose to express themselves with is often more honest than the gender they are born with. If someone presents themselves to me pretending to be a girl, then I accept that with no problem. Where it becomes an issue and where this practice gets the bad name is when people do it for special attention.
I think that's because what guys were tend to unisexual. I can't really think of anything that a guy wears that women don't. Women have always been able to wear pants, and shorts. On the other hand, it is quite different to see a guy wearing a skirt, or a dress. I think this is more due to the fact that these types of clothing tend to be very feminine, while guy's clothing is just clothing, so both sexes can wear it.
I think that's because what guys were tend to unisexual. I can't really think of anything that a guy wears that women don't. Women have always been able to wear pants, and shorts. On the other hand, it is quite different to see a guy wearing a skirt, or a dress. I think this is more due to the fact that these types of clothing tend to be very feminine, while guy's clothing is just clothing, so both sexes can wear it.
Note on the bold section. This is quite the opposite.
Many of what we concider womens clothing were historically more fashionable for men, or at the very least Unisex. Through history men have wore more make-up, tights, jewellery, and dresses/skirts.
It used to be a huge deal for women to wear men's clothes, women's equality changed that.
The problem is most cultural movements towards equality do not do anything to make anything equal.
Women's Equality gave women alot of rights they should have had. It also made it more acceptable to were pants and shirts and maintain other "masculine" trappings, whereas men do the reverse were still labelled as "queer". This is a double standard.
Honestly, I think people should wear whatver they feel happiest in.
I find it reely odd when a man wears women's clothing. I just find it verry odd and strange. My man has to dress like one and act like one, not like a boy. But I don't care looking for a guy right now. I wouldn't want to have to experience the chained feeling of being in a relashionship.
Well, I uploaded my two pics onto Daisy's photobucket account. Well, since you guys want to see them, then I sup'pose I'll show them to you.
Polaroid-like in a way (uncared hair, not much make-up, etc.)
Sporting wooly winter clothes
I'm still waiting for my pichure of the one I did yesterday night to come. I could be waiting weeks for that, though.
I find it reely odd when a man wears women's clothing. I just find it verry odd and strange. My man has to dress like one and act like one, not like a boy. But I don't care looking for a guy right now. I wouldn't want to have to experience the chained feeling of being in a relashionship.
Well, I uploaded my two pics onto Daisy's photobucket account. Well, since you guys want to see them, then I sup'pose I'll show them to you.
Polaroid-like in a way (uncared hair, not much make-up, etc.)
Sporting wooly winter clothes
I'm still waiting for my pichure of the one I did yesterday night to come. I could be waiting weeks for that, though.
I can see why you model. You have a very serious look to you, but very pretty.
I agree with Shin' - however someone wants to be identified in terms of gender, I respect it. Seems a logical choice for me.
I was up-front about my situation here . . . I told people that I'm technically male, but I prefer to be addressed and treated as "she" here. No one has had a problem with it. However, I can see why some transgender people don't do that. It can be scary letting people "in on the secret" and still expecting them to be comfortable with it . . . heck, I'm often not comfortable with it in my own case . . . so I have a hard time blaming people for being stealthy.
As for guys in girly clothing - I like it. When I dress myself, I like to wear androgynous outfits that anyone could pull off, with feminine touches (like pink color, or something). I like it when men dress that way, as well. Men who seem masculine but with little flairs of femininity are attractive, in my mind. I like people who are a good mix of both.
You know my little saying . . . femmy boys and macho girls FTW. Heh.
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All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the light that you see. All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the peace that you feel. All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to fill your heart on my own.
But the rainbow is an image of hope for many reasons, as it is a brilliant sight coming out of oftimes dismal weather.
I try to aim for a level of androgyny myself. I do not feel comfortable coming across macho or as any other male stereotype or combination there-of. That is not who/what I am. If you are honest about who/what you are, then you will be happier because the friends you have and relations you have will be accepting of who/what you are and will be those who can relate to it. If you express yourself honestly and your friends shun you, then they are not your friends...they just liked the image you presented.
I wear my hair long, I like to paint my nails sometimes and sometimes grow them out and manicure them, When I buy jeans they are usually womens jeans because mens cuts are boring as hell.
Maybe this is why I like Japanese culture so much, the androgynous man is far more common and accepted there, as is cross dressing. I think it is why I like Mana from Malice Mizer so much too. (See my Avatar) He is completely straight but has no problem living his life as a woman and is accepted that way. Gender Identity and Sexuality are completely separate. I do not see myself as male by traditional measuring, nor do I see myself as female. I see myself somewhere in the middle, that is my gender identity. As for my sexuality; I am about 90% straight, but 10% of the time find certain men very sexy. I generally live a straight life.
Androgony is something that is really neat, but if you're too much of it you look odd. lol
There are a couple of chicks at my school who can easily pass off as guys. Some of their voices even sound like a guys! it's quite freaky. My lil' bro has been told that he could pass as a girl. His eyes are what kind of give it off. That's what I've been told, though.
@Shin: I find a big difference in our world and in Asia (as well as other places) other than the culture. It's just, it seems as though many other things like androgony, respect, and sexuality is far more accepted or not concerned about than here. Here, you get laughed at. It's quite depressing.
Well, I'm still waiting for the pic i took over Thanksgiving Break. I'm hoping that I'll get it.
I hate people who pretend to be your friends for only the image you present and nothing else. It's not that hard to figure out who's your friend and who's not though.
I'd like to say that I'm glad that I've been promoted to full member. I dress and look more masculine than most people. I do think it's cool when men dress femininely and women dress masculinely. It's just not my cup of tea.
On the issue of people only being friends with you becuase of your image that's bull I can't stand it. In my opinion the world would be a lot better place if everybody was upfront and honest.
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Androgony is something that is really neat, but if you're too much of it you look odd. lol
I think that by the very nature of what androgyny means, this isn't true. If someone looks very androgynous, then they'd look perfectly balanced betwen masculine and feminine (or neutral) which would actually look good. Androgynous beauty has been an ideal fo ages.
What sometimes looks less than good is not enough androgyny. For instance, if a woman has very masculine looks, but not particularly feminine ones, she doesn't look androgynous, she looks masculine.
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All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the light that you see. All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the peace that you feel. All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to fill your heart on my own.
But the rainbow is an image of hope for many reasons, as it is a brilliant sight coming out of oftimes dismal weather.
I wouldn't mind appearing androgynous online. It's funny, for the fact that if you're a woman you're payed more attention to, yet you're taken less seriously ("OMGz0rz a girl playz diz game?!!11"). If you're a guy, you're just another player, but you might know what you're talking about so you're taken seriously at first. With online gender neutrality, people aren't sure what to do, so they judge you by what you post and that alone. For a while I was able to keep this up, but I don't really care now.
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BTW, how old is everybody here? I'm sure it's been mentioned here and there, but I'm not nearly clever enough to catch it. I'm 17, a senior in high school.
Tneil's gender does not really matter to me. She acts like a girl, so I accept her as such. As a friend I would like to know if she weren't really, but only because to tell me means she trusts and values me.
Tneil's gender does not really matter to me. She acts like a girl, so I accept her as such. As a friend I would like to know if she weren't really, but only because to tell me means she trusts and values me.
To me, at least, it's not so much a question of Tneill's gender as it is sneaky's motives.
I'm 18 and a college freshman. Anyway, I trust Tneill she's one of my pals. If I can't trust my pals who can I trust. The thing that sucks is that I like Sneaky too.
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How does one act like a girl online anyway? In real life I've had people accuse me of having testosterone flinging out of my pores -- I'm extremely large, hairy, have a shaven head and a 5 oclock shadow that starts at 10 am.
However, in another forum I go to, _all_ new members and a large quantity of the old ones think I'm a girl.
The only thing that I see that would make people think I'm a girl is my avatar (which is always a girl). Otherwise, I have posts that are clearly masculine in nature -- I'd talk about the dates I've had, the girls I've fallen in love with, familiarity over male anatomy over female ones, even flat out "she's hot!" comments whenever people post pics. And yet for some reason I will see posts referring me as a "she", anime fanatics referring to me with "-chan" suffix, the occasional "I thought you were a girl!" comment from the newer members, and, of course, "b--ch".
Are avatars really that strong a representation of a person?
@mondu_the_fat: I think it kind of depends on what people associate with gender. I've been confused for a guy before on these forums (maybe because it's kind of a default assumption, and because I like cutesy male avatars). However, most people I talk to agree that I am "like a girl" when it comes to my behavior and persona. I've heard it's because I speak pretty conservatively, am understanding and reflect feelings before giving advice, and because of the preferences I demonstrate (i.e. love of cuteness, so on).
I do think avatar makes a big difference. I think people like to project a face with a name, and usually the only face provided is the avatar. I sometimes still associate avatar with a person's image even if I know what the person really looks like.
And I'm 22, ghindo.
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All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the light that you see. All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the peace that you feel. All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to fill your heart on my own.
But the rainbow is an image of hope for many reasons, as it is a brilliant sight coming out of oftimes dismal weather.
Wow, Sneaky thinks Tneill is a girl, what a turn up, i would never have guessed from the way tneill posts
I've got to say, i've never been comfortable round gays/guys who dress up or pretend to be girls. To me it's just plain unnatural plus i was brought up to think like that. The very thought of 2 guys doing it makes me feel sick. Two girls on the other hand (Well as long as they're good looking, none of these skinhead ones ;))
Some avatars give the impression of a girl, like Shin' who i constantly think is a she, however name adds just as much.
Yeah, please take me off the friends list here.
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I take slight offense to the part I bolded due to the fact that I had lied about my gender at first. I joined pretending to be a boy cause I was afraid of what people thought of a girl who liked MTG. She'd be like some card geek. I cared too much about what anyone said, and once I came out about my true gender as a girl, some found it a little confusing and hard to believe. I know that it was my fault, but I hope that everyone trusts and believes me. Then again, if you don't I could care less.
I suupose so seeing as how your posts aren't that bad and you seem mature. Just don't spam this place up nor rarely post here.
I love you Krashbot!
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Also, it's "I couldn't care less." I hate being a grammar Nazi, but it's in my blood! My mom was a freelance editor for several years before she retired, and thus I have an inherent nature to correct incorrect grammar/syntax/spelling.
One thing I have learned and now openly accept is that the gender which people choose to express themselves with is often more honest than the gender they are born with. If someone presents themselves to me pretending to be a girl, then I accept that with no problem. Where it becomes an issue and where this practice gets the bad name is when people do it for special attention.
One of my best online friends ever spent the first 3 years I knew her as a guy, simply to be taken seriously in the gaming threads. I respect her greatly and ultimately had no problem with it. Mind you people do not seem to mind girls pretending to be boys vs boys pretending to be girls. That is a double standard. Notice how in society it is far more acceptable for a girl to where boys clothes (we do not even notice 99% of the time) than for a guy to wear womens clothing? The "Tomboy" stereotype is also far more acceptable than a guy who has alot of feminine characteristics.
Anyways...
I borrowed season one of House from a friend this weekend and watched the first 5 episodes last night. This show is so awesome. Well written, deep, intelligent. Anyone else watch it?
Totally agreed, I was just talking about this the other day. Right now though, it's a little acceptable for the fact that it's part of the Emo-fad. Surprisingly, women are attracted to guys who dress in some women's clothing (not necessarily the distinctly women's clothing like dresses or skirts, but in women's jeans). Of course, when the fad drifts away (and I'll be quite happy when it goes the way of Grunge) the double-standards will form again.
Men generally get much more boring cuts and designs of clothing.
I think that's because what guys were tend to unisexual. I can't really think of anything that a guy wears that women don't. Women have always been able to wear pants, and shorts. On the other hand, it is quite different to see a guy wearing a skirt, or a dress. I think this is more due to the fact that these types of clothing tend to be very feminine, while guy's clothing is just clothing, so both sexes can wear it.
Note on the bold section. This is quite the opposite.
Many of what we concider womens clothing were historically more fashionable for men, or at the very least Unisex. Through history men have wore more make-up, tights, jewellery, and dresses/skirts.
It used to be a huge deal for women to wear men's clothes, women's equality changed that.
People can wear what they want, and everything's fine.
And why does this clan have such a fascination with bolding parts of my posts?
Women's Equality gave women alot of rights they should have had. It also made it more acceptable to were pants and shirts and maintain other "masculine" trappings, whereas men do the reverse were still labelled as "queer". This is a double standard.
Honestly, I think people should wear whatver they feel happiest in.
Because your posts aren't typed in bold, so we feel the need to bold them for you.
I find it reely odd when a man wears women's clothing. I just find it verry odd and strange. My man has to dress like one and act like one, not like a boy. But I don't care looking for a guy right now. I wouldn't want to have to experience the chained feeling of being in a relashionship.
Well, I uploaded my two pics onto Daisy's photobucket account. Well, since you guys want to see them, then I sup'pose I'll show them to you.
Polaroid-like in a way (uncared hair, not much make-up, etc.)
Sporting wooly winter clothes
I'm still waiting for my pichure of the one I did yesterday night to come. I could be waiting weeks for that, though.
Ok Ill Italisize and strikethrough them
I can see why you model. You have a very serious look to you, but very pretty.
I was up-front about my situation here . . . I told people that I'm technically male, but I prefer to be addressed and treated as "she" here. No one has had a problem with it. However, I can see why some transgender people don't do that. It can be scary letting people "in on the secret" and still expecting them to be comfortable with it . . . heck, I'm often not comfortable with it in my own case . . . so I have a hard time blaming people for being stealthy.
As for guys in girly clothing - I like it. When I dress myself, I like to wear androgynous outfits that anyone could pull off, with feminine touches (like pink color, or something). I like it when men dress that way, as well. Men who seem masculine but with little flairs of femininity are attractive, in my mind. I like people who are a good mix of both.
You know my little saying . . . femmy boys and macho girls FTW. Heh.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the peace that you feel.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to fill your heart on my own.
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I wear my hair long, I like to paint my nails sometimes and sometimes grow them out and manicure them, When I buy jeans they are usually womens jeans because mens cuts are boring as hell.
Maybe this is why I like Japanese culture so much, the androgynous man is far more common and accepted there, as is cross dressing. I think it is why I like Mana from Malice Mizer so much too. (See my Avatar) He is completely straight but has no problem living his life as a woman and is accepted that way. Gender Identity and Sexuality are completely separate. I do not see myself as male by traditional measuring, nor do I see myself as female. I see myself somewhere in the middle, that is my gender identity. As for my sexuality; I am about 90% straight, but 10% of the time find certain men very sexy. I generally live a straight life.
There are a couple of chicks at my school who can easily pass off as guys. Some of their voices even sound like a guys! it's quite freaky. My lil' bro has been told that he could pass as a girl. His eyes are what kind of give it off. That's what I've been told, though.
@Shin: I find a big difference in our world and in Asia (as well as other places) other than the culture. It's just, it seems as though many other things like androgony, respect, and sexuality is far more accepted or not concerned about than here. Here, you get laughed at. It's quite depressing.
Well, I'm still waiting for the pic i took over Thanksgiving Break. I'm hoping that I'll get it.
I hate people who pretend to be your friends for only the image you present and nothing else. It's not that hard to figure out who's your friend and who's not though.
I love you Krashbot!
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On the issue of people only being friends with you becuase of your image that's bull I can't stand it. In my opinion the world would be a lot better place if everybody was upfront and honest.
I think that by the very nature of what androgyny means, this isn't true. If someone looks very androgynous, then they'd look perfectly balanced betwen masculine and feminine (or neutral) which would actually look good. Androgynous beauty has been an ideal fo ages.
What sometimes looks less than good is not enough androgyny. For instance, if a woman has very masculine looks, but not particularly feminine ones, she doesn't look androgynous, she looks masculine.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the peace that you feel.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to fill your heart on my own.
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Did anyone else see this post by sneaks? indeed. Why the hell would sneaks say that?
BTW, how old is everybody here? I'm sure it's been mentioned here and there, but I'm not nearly clever enough to catch it. I'm 17, a senior in high school.
However, in another forum I go to, _all_ new members and a large quantity of the old ones think I'm a girl.
The only thing that I see that would make people think I'm a girl is my avatar (which is always a girl). Otherwise, I have posts that are clearly masculine in nature -- I'd talk about the dates I've had, the girls I've fallen in love with, familiarity over male anatomy over female ones, even flat out "she's hot!" comments whenever people post pics. And yet for some reason I will see posts referring me as a "she", anime fanatics referring to me with "-chan" suffix, the occasional "I thought you were a girl!" comment from the newer members, and, of course, "b--ch".
Are avatars really that strong a representation of a person?
"Sometimes, the situation is outracing a threat, sometimes it's ignoring it, and sometimes it involves sideboarding in 4x Hope//Pray." --Doug Linn
I do think avatar makes a big difference. I think people like to project a face with a name, and usually the only face provided is the avatar. I sometimes still associate avatar with a person's image even if I know what the person really looks like.
And I'm 22, ghindo.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the peace that you feel.
All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to fill your heart on my own.
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Yeah, please take me off the friends list here.