Maybe so, but I do not doubt that these channels are going to make this a political or partisan issue, when it's not really that at all. It's an American issue and a human rights issue.
What? It is always about partison/political issues. Every issue can affect Human rights is some manner when government gets involved. The question is what political party is in power what government controls they are pushing under a similar or counter partison president. Is the media defending, criticizing, or ignoring the President's policies? These questions answer whether the media is reporting for Human rights or political/partison issues. After the IRS fumble, the NSA's actions has to be political/partison in nature as well.
Rand Paul has devised a bill which would attack the NSA's alleged authority on the phone records issue. [Source]
So, I'm a little confused on how this works, legally. If the current system is legal under the Supreme Court's current interpretation of the fourth amendment (granted, it's an interpretation many of us don't like), can Congress just pass a law that changes that? As it's worded, the bill isn't prohibiting the government from doing the spying, but rather it's attempting to change the legal interpretation of the fourth amendment. That seems like an odd angle to take.
So, I'm a little confused on how this works, legally. If the current system is legal under the Supreme Court's current interpretation of the fourth amendment (granted, it's an interpretation many of us don't like), can Congress just pass a law that changes that? As it's worded, the bill isn't prohibiting the government from doing the spying, but rather it's attempting to change the legal interpretation of the fourth amendment. That seems like an odd angle to take.
Has the supreme court actually ever reviewed the Patriot Act?
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"Proving god exists isn't hard. Proving god is God is the tricky part" - Roommate
Has the supreme court actually ever reviewed the Patriot Act?
I think they've reviewed parts, but not the ones that might be relevant here. What I'm referring to is the "third party doctrine", which says that when your records are in the hands of a third party (in this case the phone company), a weaker fourth amendment protection applies.
There is a petition on the White House website to pardon Edward Snowden, for those that are interested. The Obama administration is forced to respond if the petition reaches 100,000. So far we have about 30,000.
There is a petition on the White House website to pardon Edward Snowden, for those that are interested. The Obama administration is forced to respond if the petition reaches 100,000. So far we have about 30,000.
Operation 'troll the NSA' starts up online with plan to jam spy scanners by sending same 'terrorist' message over and over again
Plan to 'test' system by sending a message full of terrorism words to NSA
Website called 'Operation Troll The NSA' has been created
Words designed to pique interest include 'ricin,' 'bomb' and 'Manhattan'
An operation to troll the NSA has started up online in a bid to jam the spy scanners.
The plan is to 'test' the system by sending a message full of terrorist buzz words to the agency Wednesday at 7pm EST.
The website was set up in response to the accusations at the U.S. government is collecting and looking at data from Internet companies like Google, Facebook and Apple through a secretive program codenamed PRISM.
Operation 'Troll The NSA' describes the plan stating: 'If millions of us, all at the exact same time, call or email someone with our keywords-of-terror-filled script, we can give our nation's impressive surveillance system the kind of test it deserves.
'They say they don’t read or listen to the contents of our messages. Why not test it out? It'll be fun.'
The creators of the website have written a seemingly innocent email about a bad job and travel plans addressed from a disgruntled employee to a friend.
But words designed to catch the scanner's interest litter the script, including famous American landmarks such as 'Manhattan,' 'Golden Gate Bridge', 'Brooklyn Bridge',' Verrazano Narrows Bridge' and 'Financial District.'
It also included words associated with terrorists such as 'death to millions of Americans,' 'strike at any second' and 'oppressive regime.'
They hope that the scanner will pick up the words and consequently get jammed from the overload.
The stunt was set up by two BuzzFeed employees.
Chris Baker and Mike Lacher, creative directors at the news site, say they hope millions of people will take part.
'It would be amazing if we actually did screw with their systems a little bit,' said Baker.
'But the ultimate goal is that the site itself will get enough attention ... that NSA becomes aware of it on some level and gives them a moment to reflect on their duties,' he told the Daily Beast.
Edward Snowden, the NSA whistleblower who leaked the secret information about a classified U.S. government surveillance program is currently on the run in Hong Kong.
Snowden, 29, is a technology expert working for a private firm subcontracted to the US National Security Agency.
Last week he told the Guardian newspaper of a mammoth surveillance operation run by the NSA on telephone and Internet records around the world.
In the US he has been branded a traitor and there is pressure for his extradition from Hong Kong.
However, he has triggered a debate in many countries on whether state snooping goes too far.
Nothing different than what happened to the US during the communist threat. It doesn't surprise me one bit, just a bit more high tech. Every conflict we always overreact, stabilize, go backwards a bit, but never fully go back.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
The PRISM story struck me as kinda ridiculous. The leaked information wasn't exactly technical details, and the idea that they have a tool to streamline the process of getting a warrant to request data from Google/Facebook/whatever seems way more likely than that they have the a direct line into all these servers.
That said, there are two items in the leak, the PRISM stuff and call metadata stuff. In my view that PRISM thing is (given the information we have) totally fine, since it's apparently a specific, targeted warrant. The troubling part is that call metadata and similar information in the hands of third parties lacks any significant fourth amendment protection. We do have protection in the form of minimization procedures and dissemination restrictions for information about US people, but the ability to grab the metadata initially is still an issue.
I've seen some people around the internet get the two all mixed together, and apply the anger about the phone metadata to the PRISM side.
To the skeptics: Why would this man be on the run if it weren't true? Are you suggesting that the people after him are on a witch hunt against people speaking out against the government's actions? If so, isn't that still cause for alarm?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The only thing scarier than the NSA right now is how complacent American's are with revelations of this nature.
Why's that? I still have yet to find a reason to give a damn over any of this. If the NSA wants to know my favorite order from my local chinese place or what type of porn I like to peruse in my spare time, why should I care?
Much of the fear of loss of privacy is just humans innate nature to make snap judgements to fear things we don't understand. It was a useful trait thousands and thousands of years ago when you are living in caves and that rustling noise could be something that will kill you, but in modern times it's an outdated mode of thinking. It's the opposite of reason, just pure gut level reaction. "I don't know what that is, but I know I don't like it!"
If you think what the NSA is tracking is scary, you would have a heart attack if you got a peek at some of the behavioral marketing databases out there with their predictive algorithms. These databases know you better than you know yourself. As long as there is money to be made gathering your information, it will be gathered, stored, sliced, diced, packaged, and sold.
Personal privacy is mostly a myth and has been for a long time.
Why's that? I still have yet to find a reason to give a damn over any of this. If the NSA wants to know my favorite order from my local chinese place or what type of porn I like to peruse in my spare time, why should I care?
Much of the fear of loss of privacy is just humans innate nature to make snap judgements to fear things we don't understand. It was a useful trait thousands and thousands of years ago when you are living in caves and that rustling noise could be something that will kill you, but in modern times it's an outdated mode of thinking. It's the opposite of reason, just pure gut level reaction. "I don't know what that is, but I know I don't like it!"
If you think what the NSA is tracking is scary, you would have a heart attack if you got a peek at some of the behavioral marketing databases out there with their predictive algorithms. These databases know you better than you know yourself. As long as there is money to be made gathering your information, it will be gathered, stored, sliced, diced, packaged, and sold.
Personal privacy is mostly a myth and has been for a long time.
What is wrong with you? How could you even be Ok with our goverment doing this. Privacy is only a myth when you expect and let it go. Our Constitution is very clear on the protection of privacy and your responses with lack of moral charactor is clear that you are just writing to piss people off.
What? It is always about partison/political issues. Every issue can affect Human rights is some manner when government gets involved. The question is what political party is in power what government controls they are pushing under a similar or counter partison president. Is the media defending, criticizing, or ignoring the President's policies? These questions answer whether the media is reporting for Human rights or political/partison issues. After the IRS fumble, the NSA's actions has to be political/partison in nature as well.
Multiplayer Decks- Memnarch - Animar, Soul of Elements - Zur, the Enchanter - Atraxa, Praetors' Voice - Food Chain Tazri - Teysa Karlov
Modern BUMill and Bant Spirits.
Thank you Xenphire for the signature!
So, I'm a little confused on how this works, legally. If the current system is legal under the Supreme Court's current interpretation of the fourth amendment (granted, it's an interpretation many of us don't like), can Congress just pass a law that changes that? As it's worded, the bill isn't prohibiting the government from doing the spying, but rather it's attempting to change the legal interpretation of the fourth amendment. That seems like an odd angle to take.
Has the supreme court actually ever reviewed the Patriot Act?
I think they've reviewed parts, but not the ones that might be relevant here. What I'm referring to is the "third party doctrine", which says that when your records are in the hands of a third party (in this case the phone company), a weaker fourth amendment protection applies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_v._Maryland
Oops, I got it mixed up with a link I was using for work. Sorry about that.
Here you go, here's the petition to pardon Edward Snowden on the White House website. I'll go ahead and edit my other post to make sure it has the correct link as well.
Was this information on the NSA released before Obama met with the Chinese president?
While meeting with Obama, Snowden was in Hong Kong, China?
Just interesting that this information would be released right around when Obama and Xi discuss pressing online issues such as cybersecurity.
Most likely a coincidence, and Hong Kong makes sense for a place for a person to seek asylum, but this has been bothering me.
Signed. Thanks for the link.
UAzami, Locus of All KnowledgeU
BMarrow-Gnawer, Crime Lord of ComboB
WBRTariel, Hellraiser StaxWBR
Annul is really good in EDH
I love the internet sometimes
Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57588337-38/no-evidence-of-nsas-direct-access-to-tech-companies/
http://thedailybanter.com/2013/06/nsa-story-falling-apart-under-scrutiny-key-facts-turning-out-to-be-inaccurate/
UBW Sharuum
BR Olivia Voldaren
UR Jhoira
URG Riku
U Vendilion Clique
That said, there are two items in the leak, the PRISM stuff and call metadata stuff. In my view that PRISM thing is (given the information we have) totally fine, since it's apparently a specific, targeted warrant. The troubling part is that call metadata and similar information in the hands of third parties lacks any significant fourth amendment protection. We do have protection in the form of minimization procedures and dissemination restrictions for information about US people, but the ability to grab the metadata initially is still an issue.
I've seen some people around the internet get the two all mixed together, and apply the anger about the phone metadata to the PRISM side.
NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Come at me NSA. You already know where I live. : P
UAzami, Locus of All KnowledgeU
BMarrow-Gnawer, Crime Lord of ComboB
WBRTariel, Hellraiser StaxWBR
Annul is really good in EDH
I laughed.
I've got porn and cars right now, myself - hopefully it's not time for stage 2 yet.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
There's been some reporting that the CNET story might be a mistaken interpretation of the congressman's statements:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/15/nsa-phone-calls-warrant_n_3448299.html
Why's that? I still have yet to find a reason to give a damn over any of this. If the NSA wants to know my favorite order from my local chinese place or what type of porn I like to peruse in my spare time, why should I care?
Much of the fear of loss of privacy is just humans innate nature to make snap judgements to fear things we don't understand. It was a useful trait thousands and thousands of years ago when you are living in caves and that rustling noise could be something that will kill you, but in modern times it's an outdated mode of thinking. It's the opposite of reason, just pure gut level reaction. "I don't know what that is, but I know I don't like it!"
If you think what the NSA is tracking is scary, you would have a heart attack if you got a peek at some of the behavioral marketing databases out there with their predictive algorithms. These databases know you better than you know yourself. As long as there is money to be made gathering your information, it will be gathered, stored, sliced, diced, packaged, and sold.
Personal privacy is mostly a myth and has been for a long time.
What is wrong with you? How could you even be Ok with our goverment doing this. Privacy is only a myth when you expect and let it go. Our Constitution is very clear on the protection of privacy and your responses with lack of moral charactor is clear that you are just writing to piss people off.
Multiplayer Decks- Memnarch - Animar, Soul of Elements - Zur, the Enchanter - Atraxa, Praetors' Voice - Food Chain Tazri - Teysa Karlov
Modern BUMill and Bant Spirits.
Thank you Xenphire for the signature!