Can you explain why I should have been doing 400 pounds? Or how that is anywhere near the average? 400 pounds is lifting at an advanced level - it is well above average.
I don't agree with most of those numbers, but i'm not exactly a professional.
the guys i routinely work out with are a pretty wide weight range, but my competitive fight training partner is my size (for obvious reasons) and he's actually willing to squat, his legs aren't noticeably stronger than mine and he squats 450 without too much trouble for the max weight, low rep workout. i've seen guys not much larger than us put up 550 lbs like 5 reps, and most of them are fighters and not actual bodybuilders. when you get up there into bodybuilding squatting 550 is for pussies lmao
anecdotal evidence, yes, but 400 lbs at your weight doesn't strike me as particularly impressive, and if you lift weights as much as the average martial artist you could probably do much more than 400.
double edit- that table has 235 bench press at 148 (i'm 150 right now) in the "elite" bracket. as of last week my maximum benchpress was actually 225 exactly, and i don't really feel like i belong anywhere near the elite bracket for my weight/age table. there are guys 150 lbs i train with who are WAY stronger than i am.
165 squatting 400 is average? Not even close. Maybe around 225-275 is AVERAGE for that weight, and thats just from having been a gym rat for a few years and observing. I mean I was about 5% body fat, 6'2" 185 lbs and 400 was a GREAT day for me on squats.
Also, I agree, squats should be avoided unless you're doing them for some specific reason (running back or something of that nature).
Also also, the guy thats 6'4 and wants to be 175lbs.... thats scary.
Also also also 235lbs benching @ 148 is huge. You have some inflated ideas in your head tuna.
Also also also 235lbs benching @ 148 is huge. You have some inflated ideas in your head tuna.
Im being serious here, my max press is 225 for 3 reps, and other guys my weight do a couple dozen pounds over that. i'm not even close to the strongest person in my weight class.
also, i'm not talking average for like, average human being. i mean average gym rat/serious athlete here, squatting 400 is really not that much weight, especially considering how strong human legs can be at (relatively) not much larger weights
i'm 6 even. Maybe 5'11 without shoes. I weigh 260lbs but I used to weight 290 at my heaviest. I've been loosing weight for a couple months now and my goal is 200. I'm kinda bulky but not ripped or anything. I played football in high school and did weight lifting every semester till I graduated. then i went to college and got fat and soft.
Im being serious here, my max press is 225 for 3 reps, and other guys my weight do a couple dozen pounds over that. i'm not even close to the strongest person in my weight class.
also, i'm not talking average for like, average human being. i mean average gym rat/serious athlete here, squatting 400 is really not that much weight, especially considering how strong human legs can be at (relatively) not much larger weights
edit- WAIT WE'RE TALKING POUNDS HERE, RIGHT?
Actually, 400 pounds is a lot, qute alot actually, especially if done for reps. I've never set foot gym in my life where there are people squatting 400 pounds reguarly because it simply isn't really that much weight. I've played football through out my highschool career and some of my collegiate career and we would do 400 pounds for our working sets and it was definately heavy.
Squats, when done correctly are not hard on the knees at all, practice box squats and you should be good. I've dislocated both of my knees and torn my left acl and still squat, just make sure you always wrap up your knees.
this.. apparently puts me at obese.. BMI doesn't take into account muscle, bone structure and stature..
I recently lost 70lbs.. 8" off my chest and 8" off my stomach.. i am just overweight now and some people say to me they wouldn't want me to lose more weight..
my plan is to lose another 28lbs.. but even then.. I will be slim and still clock in as obese
Daaaaaaaaang son, you big!
Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it though.
If I was 6'6 I'd want to be 270lbs minimum.
I'm 6'4 at 230, technically overweight as well, but they don't count for our thickness and bone mass.
Benching has a lot less to do with overall body mass and a lot more to do with leverage. Longer arms have worse leverage in a proper bench. So when a guy like rivaltuna is talking 235 at ~150lbs he's also inferring average arm length. In fact smaller guys in general have a competitive advantage at most lifts just from not having to travel as far. I remember when I broke 300 on the bench. That goal took me over a year, comparatively I went from hammer curling 250 to 475 in the same time period. All because proper form bench presses suck wen you have to move the bar 3 and a half feet.
There are no solid guidelines on who should be doing what amount of weight. But you can compare yourself to what the competitive averages are for different weight classes. Just remember they are competitive averages.
And just because I wanna brag a little. Before I broke my shoulder and had to quit lifting I had some good and bad maxes.
i'm 6 even. Maybe 5'11 without shoes. I weigh 260lbs but I used to weight 290 at my heaviest. I've been loosing weight for a couple months now and my goal is 200. I'm kinda bulky but not ripped or anything. I played football in high school and did weight lifting every semester till I graduated. then i went to college and got fat and soft.
Congrats man! I've got a very similar story, 6'1 and 235 lbs, but spent a long time at 270lbs. Feels damn good, doesn't it? Keep it goin!
Benching has a lot less to do with overall body mass and a lot more to do with leverage. Longer arms have worse leverage in a proper bench. So when a guy like rivaltuna is talking 235 at ~150lbs he's also inferring average arm length. In fact smaller guys in general have a competitive advantage at most lifts just from not having to travel as far. I remember when I broke 300 on the bench. That goal took me over a year, comparatively I went from hammer curling 250 to 475 in the same time period. All because proper form bench presses suck wen you have to move the bar 3 and a half feet.
There are no solid guidelines on who should be doing what amount of weight. But you can compare yourself to what the competitive averages are for different weight classes. Just remember they are competitive averages.
And just because I wanna brag a little. Before I broke my shoulder and had to quit lifting I had some good and bad maxes.
That was at 6'6" 315lbs broke my shoulder 2 weeks before the competition I was gonna do a 450+ hammer curl in too. quite a shame.
Yeah, I've heard that being shorter and having less lengthy limbs helps you put up more weight, i heard somewhere that midgets are capable of curling more weight than regular people are. and to be fair i'm 5'6 with arms to match lolol. my legs are like SUPER short though, which makes running a *****.
edit, so 225 for me, what would that be in terms of a mass/height increase to someone of your level? it would be on par with more weight because i have less distance to travel and therefore my muscles have less work to accomplish?
edit, so 225 for me, what would that be in terms of a mass/height increase to someone of your level? it would be on par with more weight because i have less distance to travel and therefore my muscles have less work to accomplish?
It is actually possible to be calculated, but we need information that isn't always easily obtained. Since we are talking about leverage vs. force calculations for what amounts to a small distance of vertical travel. For anecdotal evidence I used to train with a guy who was the most physically buff and strong person I have ever met. He was 5' even and 175 lbs and if I recall right when we did this he was benching ~300 max. We marked on the bench where he lifted the bar to and I was able to rep 300 lbs 10 times to the same height as him but I could not get a full extension on it at the time, and was maxing 275 full extension. Oddly enough we equalized on incline benching, both maxing 315.
^^That last bit could probably be chalked up to having differently developed muscle groups, say your upper chest was stronger than his.
Yes, probably true since I used to swim. I'm not ashamed to admit I used to have awesome definition on my arms. But that guy was like 1% body fat and super serious about his lifting. He's the only reason I did any competitive lifting at all, dragged me out with him. He had it easy though his weight class was easy. I was always one of the youngest in mine and never won spit except my 1 trophy in the hammer curl. I would have broken the WR for that if I could have gotten the form down perfect.
I'm 200+ lbs and my max bench is 265.. something is wrong if a 150er is near that.
there is all kinda differnet stuff on how much you can bench. Like already stated if your short and bulky you can bend a lot more than tall and lanky even if your the same weight. But yeah 150 lb guy probably shouldn't be bending more than 200lb unless they are like.......5 nuthin.
I'm 6 even and my arms are to scale as much as I can tell. right now I haven't been focusing on weight lifting since my main objective is weight loss not gain. Though I would assume my max is probably between 220 and 240 right now. Though when I only weighed about 220 at the end of my senior year and most of it muscle I could bench of 300 lbs at my max. But I had been weight lifting for about 5-6 years to build up to that point. I knew some dudes a bit bigger than me (a lot thicker but about the same height) that could bend 500 lbs. Thuogh i'm pretty sure they were using to get get that kinda strength and mass.
Well.....I"m 6'4" and 295. So, roughly 193 cm and 134 kg. At my skinniest adult weight, I was still 275. However, my heart rate sat at around 65 resting and my blood pressure was the same slightly better than average category. Nowadays, it's quite a bit worse.
I'm a large guy and always have been. I've got a 6' 6" (2m) armspan, a chest that measure 52", and have had my bones measured at 2-3% larger than they should be. Part of the weight is bone density (lolz, insert Cartman "Big-boned" in here), part is muscle mass (Bench around 275, it's been a while), and yes, a lot is fat. I've been working on shedding the weight. I've kept around 25 lbs off since May (and looking to lose more). I don't think I'll ever get lower than around 240, as I'll look gaunt and skeletonish, whereas I rather like my more bulkier size.
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I'm 5'10" and around 145lb. I'm pretty skinny (still growing into my body, I guess). I don't think I've put on more than a pound or two of muscle from working out during the few-month stints I stuck with a plan, so I've kind of given up on wanting to get muscular.
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I'm 5'10" and around 145lb. I'm pretty skinny (still growing into my body, I guess). I don't think I've put on more than a pound or two of muscle from working out during the few-month stints I stuck with a plan, so I've kind of given up on wanting to get muscular.
For most people body building goes in stages. The first few months are just about teaching your body the routine. Once your muscles have adjusted to being worked out they will begin to work differently when you are working out and will start to use your bodies resources efficiently while being worked instead of starving till after. So for most people they don't start to see results from working out for at least 6 months. Most people get discouraged and quit before they get to the point where their muscle actually starts to get bigger. Then you have to determine what type of muscle you want to build and tailor your routine to that. If you want big showy muscles you lift in one manner; and if you want strong endurance muscles with less bulk but more sustained power you lift another way.
If you want to cheat and speed up the initial muscle toning process you can turn all of your daily activities into workouts with ankle weights, wrist weights, putting a brick in your backpack, small lead weights into your coat pockets, pants pockets. Little stuff like that after the first couple weeks you don't even notice anymore. Then when you hit the gym to workout your body is more conditioned and ready to work out.
And honestly if you are still growing into your body everything should be low weight, and high reps because what you really want is to build endurance into your muscle system. It will help you keep away from injuries quite a bit. When I was in high school I would do 3 days of low weight, high reps for every day of high weight, low rep lifting. Gave me a good mix of bulk and long haul strength. It takes dedication though. And like I said before most people give up because they see no gains in the first few months.
Last time I weighted myself (5 months already?!?) I was 170cms and weighted 70 Kilograms, I'm pretty sure not much changed since then... heh, can't understand most of the stats posted here, I'll never get used to imperial system...
i'm 3 inches and 35 lbs below national average for america, but if it seems like most people here are 5'11 and up
I don't agree with most of those numbers, but i'm not exactly a professional.
the guys i routinely work out with are a pretty wide weight range, but my competitive fight training partner is my size (for obvious reasons) and he's actually willing to squat, his legs aren't noticeably stronger than mine and he squats 450 without too much trouble for the max weight, low rep workout. i've seen guys not much larger than us put up 550 lbs like 5 reps, and most of them are fighters and not actual bodybuilders. when you get up there into bodybuilding squatting 550 is for pussies lmao
anecdotal evidence, yes, but 400 lbs at your weight doesn't strike me as particularly impressive, and if you lift weights as much as the average martial artist you could probably do much more than 400.
double edit- that table has 235 bench press at 148 (i'm 150 right now) in the "elite" bracket. as of last week my maximum benchpress was actually 225 exactly, and i don't really feel like i belong anywhere near the elite bracket for my weight/age table. there are guys 150 lbs i train with who are WAY stronger than i am.
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Also, I agree, squats should be avoided unless you're doing them for some specific reason (running back or something of that nature).
Also also, the guy thats 6'4 and wants to be 175lbs.... thats scary.
Also also also 235lbs benching @ 148 is huge. You have some inflated ideas in your head tuna.
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Im being serious here, my max press is 225 for 3 reps, and other guys my weight do a couple dozen pounds over that. i'm not even close to the strongest person in my weight class.
also, i'm not talking average for like, average human being. i mean average gym rat/serious athlete here, squatting 400 is really not that much weight, especially considering how strong human legs can be at (relatively) not much larger weights
edit- WAIT WE'RE TALKING POUNDS HERE, RIGHT?
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Actually, 400 pounds is a lot, qute alot actually, especially if done for reps. I've never set foot gym in my life where there are people squatting 400 pounds reguarly because it simply isn't really that much weight. I've played football through out my highschool career and some of my collegiate career and we would do 400 pounds for our working sets and it was definately heavy.
Squats, when done correctly are not hard on the knees at all, practice box squats and you should be good. I've dislocated both of my knees and torn my left acl and still squat, just make sure you always wrap up your knees.
Daaaaaaaaang son, you big!
Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it though.
If I was 6'6 I'd want to be 270lbs minimum.
I'm 6'4 at 230, technically overweight as well, but they don't count for our thickness and bone mass.
There are no solid guidelines on who should be doing what amount of weight. But you can compare yourself to what the competitive averages are for different weight classes. Just remember they are competitive averages.
And just because I wanna brag a little. Before I broke my shoulder and had to quit lifting I had some good and bad maxes.
Hammer curl : 415 (competition max) 475 (non-competition max)
Bench: 315 (non-competition)
Squat: 600(competition)
Clean and jerk: 450(non-competition)
That was at 6'6" 315lbs broke my shoulder 2 weeks before the competition I was gonna do a 450+ hammer curl in too. quite a shame.
Congrats man! I've got a very similar story, 6'1 and 235 lbs, but spent a long time at 270lbs. Feels damn good, doesn't it? Keep it goin!
Yeah, I've heard that being shorter and having less lengthy limbs helps you put up more weight, i heard somewhere that midgets are capable of curling more weight than regular people are. and to be fair i'm 5'6 with arms to match lolol. my legs are like SUPER short though, which makes running a *****.
edit, so 225 for me, what would that be in terms of a mass/height increase to someone of your level? it would be on par with more weight because i have less distance to travel and therefore my muscles have less work to accomplish?
It is actually possible to be calculated, but we need information that isn't always easily obtained. Since we are talking about leverage vs. force calculations for what amounts to a small distance of vertical travel. For anecdotal evidence I used to train with a guy who was the most physically buff and strong person I have ever met. He was 5' even and 175 lbs and if I recall right when we did this he was benching ~300 max. We marked on the bench where he lifted the bar to and I was able to rep 300 lbs 10 times to the same height as him but I could not get a full extension on it at the time, and was maxing 275 full extension. Oddly enough we equalized on incline benching, both maxing 315.
Yes, probably true since I used to swim. I'm not ashamed to admit I used to have awesome definition on my arms. But that guy was like 1% body fat and super serious about his lifting. He's the only reason I did any competitive lifting at all, dragged me out with him. He had it easy though his weight class was easy. I was always one of the youngest in mine and never won spit except my 1 trophy in the hammer curl. I would have broken the WR for that if I could have gotten the form down perfect.
there is all kinda differnet stuff on how much you can bench. Like already stated if your short and bulky you can bend a lot more than tall and lanky even if your the same weight. But yeah 150 lb guy probably shouldn't be bending more than 200lb unless they are like.......5 nuthin.
I'm 6 even and my arms are to scale as much as I can tell. right now I haven't been focusing on weight lifting since my main objective is weight loss not gain. Though I would assume my max is probably between 220 and 240 right now. Though when I only weighed about 220 at the end of my senior year and most of it muscle I could bench of 300 lbs at my max. But I had been weight lifting for about 5-6 years to build up to that point. I knew some dudes a bit bigger than me (a lot thicker but about the same height) that could bend 500 lbs. Thuogh i'm pretty sure they were using to get get that kinda strength and mass.
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For most people body building goes in stages. The first few months are just about teaching your body the routine. Once your muscles have adjusted to being worked out they will begin to work differently when you are working out and will start to use your bodies resources efficiently while being worked instead of starving till after. So for most people they don't start to see results from working out for at least 6 months. Most people get discouraged and quit before they get to the point where their muscle actually starts to get bigger. Then you have to determine what type of muscle you want to build and tailor your routine to that. If you want big showy muscles you lift in one manner; and if you want strong endurance muscles with less bulk but more sustained power you lift another way.
If you want to cheat and speed up the initial muscle toning process you can turn all of your daily activities into workouts with ankle weights, wrist weights, putting a brick in your backpack, small lead weights into your coat pockets, pants pockets. Little stuff like that after the first couple weeks you don't even notice anymore. Then when you hit the gym to workout your body is more conditioned and ready to work out.
And honestly if you are still growing into your body everything should be low weight, and high reps because what you really want is to build endurance into your muscle system. It will help you keep away from injuries quite a bit. When I was in high school I would do 3 days of low weight, high reps for every day of high weight, low rep lifting. Gave me a good mix of bulk and long haul strength. It takes dedication though. And like I said before most people give up because they see no gains in the first few months.
Today I was exactly 80kg when I weighted myself. 176 pounds.
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