I hope this spurs economic reforms and social reforms over there, I think this is going to be a real wake up call for more reforms. The aging population and the drop in savings rates as people retire coupled with some youth trends is hitting that place hard.
...wut? How? Are your dots even connecting? Usually when disasters and upheavals happen, the trend is neoliberal (see: reactionary) reform. Diasters have been manipulated for capitalist gain. See: New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, Sri Lanka after the 2004 Tsunamis, etc. (I'm only mentioning nature-made disasters, not including man-made disasters where events are manipulated)
so 5 nuclear reactors threatening to go boom if they dont get power back to them?
what cruel cruel irony
On the contrary, powering down the reactors is the safest they can be. So long as the control rods are in place and all electricity is taken away, then the uranium will not create a chain reaction, and will just sit there. However, if it was still on, since the cooling systems are the things that are shot, the radioactive water would get progressively hotter and hotter until there was a catastrophic meltdown.
Dont worry, i live in Washington and i'm afraid of only one thing, The entire cataclysmic shattering of Cascadia. It'll forever change the form of the country. LA's going to cease to exist afterwards, so i suggest getting the hell out of there. Sadly, if (and when) cascadia breaks, MTG will probably die, just due to the massive destruction to the corporate office of WotC. a day i'm not looking forward to.
It's inappropriate to say "it could have been worse" after this type of tragedy. Shut it.
Also inappropriate: anyone who is taking this lightheartedly, especially us Americans. It's incredibly insensitive to even see any types of jokes about natural disasters that cause huge life loss. Grow the ☺☺☺☺ up.
It's inappropriate to say "it could have been worse" after this type of tragedy. Shut it.
Also inappropriate: anyone who is taking this lightheartedly, especially us Americans. It's incredibly insensitive to even see any types of jokes about natural disasters that cause huge life loss. Grow the ☺☺☺☺ up.
Sadly, if (and when) cascadia breaks, MTG will probably die, just due to the massive destruction to the corporate office of WotC. a day i'm not looking forward to.
MTG Wont break. The players keep it going. This site is proof of this statement. THere's too many people, and too much money invested in this game, just to drop it.
Gotta say, I was a little worried when I saw the buildings around my house shaking so much; I didn't think about Japanese earthquake-proofing so much at the time, I thought they were going to fall over at any moment. High-tailed it to the closest empty lot, bare feet and all. There was no serious damage in my area (though I halfway expected this old, rickety house to be the first one to collapse), and mostly just the inconvenience of having to check if its safe to turn the gas back on, and cleaning up all the broken dishes and stuff.
Still having regular tremors every hour or so, and I'm halfway expecting to see the power go out at any moment due to increased strain on the grid.
Then again, Tokyo didn't get hit nearly as hard as they did further north.
Sadly, the vultures in the anti-nuke crowd will be "Having a field day" screaming utter stupidity regarding "The inherent danger" having nuclear power plants and nuclear power in general. Why? One of the reactors in Japan (a reactor design from the 1970's mind you) took damage they could not prevent from escalating into something more serious. The facility had a steam explosion. This is going to be one long headache inducing bout of stupity to come.
Yes, but it was not near the reactor itself as far as the facility goes. I am optimistic that the plants will make it through without any meltdowns or leaks.
Yes, but it was not near the reactor itself as far as the facility goes. I am optimistic that the plants will make it through without any meltdowns or leaks.
Your optimism is going to take a hit then. One of the Reactors cracked and already is undergoing meltdown. They're still running containment on it atm (no new updates as of yet). It's not comparable to Chernobyl (regardless of what idiots might say), but it is comparable to Three Mile Island atm (an incident which sickened and killed ZERO people, not that most people are smart enough to already know that:rolleyes: ).
Your optimism is going to take a hit then. One of the Reactors cracked and already is undergoing meltdown. They're still running containment on it atm (no new updates as of yet). It's not comparable to Chernobyl (regardless of what idiots might say), but it is comparable to Three Mile Island atm (an incident which sickened and killed ZERO people, not that most people are smart enough to already know that:rolleyes: ).
Not that I doubt you, but your link does not really emphasis a crack and meltdown. I see lots of "may haves."
I couldn't find a more up to date link (kinda sleep deprived atm).
Now, the thing here is that the "iodine & cesium" found can ONLY mean that the Reactor has catastrophically failed, as you'll only find those things outside of the reactor if the reactor is breached. There are a couple people who work in nuclear power on a few other forums confirming this.
Other sources (one in Japan atm) on a few other forums I visit state that there's been meltdown. I think that someone stated that the people on the scene are trying to, hold up, ah, here's the quote.
Japanese apparently planning a seawater kill attempt of the reactor. Has not been tried before, sounds like a last-ditch effort that would make the plant a total write-off.
That plus the blast plus the elements - this thing is melting into slag.
So yeah, the reactor failed, which means the anti-nuclear power vultures are going to have a field day inciting fear through bull☺☺☺☺ and over exaggeration. As I said earlier, this is just the beginning of a headache inducing bout of epic stupidity and fearmongering.
So do you foresee an actual radiation threat to the surrounding populace, or will the meltdown be a controlled situation that generates fearmongering and hype?
From what I have read, there's a near-zero chance of complete meltdown. Worst case scenario is some radioactive material is vented into the atmosphere and radiation levels reach "unsafe levels". Which still in no way compares to a disaster like Chernobyl.
I'd say its a pretty good testament to the advances in nuclear power actually. If you see images of the reactor you will probably see smoke rising from it. That's the steam that was automatically vented to reduce pressure. So the failsafes failed, the failsafe's failsafes failed. Yet still it managed to prevent a total meltdown through automatic last-ditch effort procedure.
Is there any way to take a pile after it's gone critical, and either forcibly (explosively?) drive the pile apart, or is it too late at that point?
Perhaps even placing multiple holes below the pile, basically vertically oriented, branching "channels" that go a few hundred feet vertically downward underneath the pile, spreading wider and wider, such that in a meltdown, the core will split into smaller and smaller sub-piles that eventually fall below critical mass?
The effect would be that the critical core, as it sank vertically, would tend to be broken into pieces smaller and smaller and wider apart.
Or even driving multiple, high velocity, shaped, carbon ballistic spikes into the core in a way that would in aggregate, result in enough absorption of neutrons to stop the reaction?
Maybe even a shaped charge or set of charges that could blow the mass apart (then follow with a carbon dust infusion to fill the chamber) without destroying the protective housing?
Just wondering if those kinds of ideas were ever thrown around or discussed? Why would something like that not work?
Is there any way to take a pile after it's gone critical, and either forcibly (explosively?) drive the pile apart, or is it too late at that point?
Perhaps even placing multiple holes below the pile, basically vertically oriented, branching "channels" that go a few hundred feet vertically downward underneath the pile, spreading wider and wider, such that in a meltdown, the core will split into smaller and smaller sub-piles that eventually fall below critical mass?
The effect would be that the critical core, as it sank vertically, would tend to be broken into pieces smaller and smaller and wider apart.
Or even driving multiple, high velocity, shaped, carbon ballistic spikes into the core in a way that would in aggregate, result in enough absorption of neutrons to stop the reaction?
Maybe even a shaped charge or set of charges that could blow the mass apart (then follow with a carbon dust infusion to fill the chamber) without destroying the protective housing?
Just wondering if those kinds of ideas were ever thrown around or discussed? Why would something like that not work?
"critical" means that the chain is self-sustaining. putting graphite limiters in is highly dangerous to the worker and wouldnt stop it. what you would have to do is throw it in the water that they use to limit neutrons.
"critical" means that the chain is self-sustaining. putting graphite limiters in is highly dangerous to the worker and wouldnt stop it. what you would have to do is throw it in the water that they use to limit neutrons.
and this is where japan has the issue, they lost some of this water. the U.S. said it would send some over however.
I was thinking along the lines of fragmenting the core or breaking it up into tiny pieces spread apart. Perhaps even design them to be breakable in a predictable and graceful way.
Just thinking outside the box, to get a better understanding and grasp on the problem.
Never mind. A little wiki-ing on pebble bed reactors (an example of a reactor design not in wide use but which is cleverly designed for graceful failure) and failure scenarios for more common types of LWRs covered all my questions. My questions stemmed from my misunderstanding what was actually going on here... Nobody is worried about something going supercritical or anything like that (total confusion on my part). It's purely an issue of loss of coolant and potential meltdown and potential (1) loss of containment (2) release of radioactive steam (3) permanent loss of the reactor (4) big time long disposal issues (5) cancer for many.
They're saying there's two reactors now in danger of meltdown, and they might be separate from the first one they were talking about which they may have already flooded with boron & seawater? The CNN guy was unclear. So 2 or 3?
Fukushima Daiichi no. 1 and no. 3 I believe are the ones threatening to meltdown. Sorry, not posting iPhone cnn links because they seem to become dead links. 160 tested for radiation.
Death toll from tsunamis is looking to be at least in the 5 figure range. My prayers go out to them.
Even as is, it's gonna be bad, despite Japanese quake-proofing. My prayers with everyone who is at risk.
Looks like my family in Korea is safe from tsunamis largely by being west of japan and the quake on the pacific side...
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...wut? How? Are your dots even connecting? Usually when disasters and upheavals happen, the trend is neoliberal (see: reactionary) reform. Diasters have been manipulated for capitalist gain. See: New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, Sri Lanka after the 2004 Tsunamis, etc. (I'm only mentioning nature-made disasters, not including man-made disasters where events are manipulated)
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On the contrary, powering down the reactors is the safest they can be. So long as the control rods are in place and all electricity is taken away, then the uranium will not create a chain reaction, and will just sit there. However, if it was still on, since the cooling systems are the things that are shot, the radioactive water would get progressively hotter and hotter until there was a catastrophic meltdown.
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It's inappropriate to say "it could have been worse" after this type of tragedy. Shut it.
Also inappropriate: anyone who is taking this lightheartedly, especially us Americans. It's incredibly insensitive to even see any types of jokes about natural disasters that cause huge life loss. Grow the ☺☺☺☺ up.
Akuma will wreck you.
That's a mighty high horse you're sitting on...
MTG Wont break. The players keep it going. This site is proof of this statement. THere's too many people, and too much money invested in this game, just to drop it.
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Still having regular tremors every hour or so, and I'm halfway expecting to see the power go out at any moment due to increased strain on the grid.
Then again, Tokyo didn't get hit nearly as hard as they did further north.
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I mean the islands shifted over a few feet. So a few thousand more Earthquake's and it will merge with the United States.
Your optimism is going to take a hit then. One of the Reactors cracked and already is undergoing meltdown. They're still running containment on it atm (no new updates as of yet). It's not comparable to Chernobyl (regardless of what idiots might say), but it is comparable to Three Mile Island atm (an incident which sickened and killed ZERO people, not that most people are smart enough to already know that:rolleyes: ).
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Not that I doubt you, but your link does not really emphasis a crack and meltdown. I see lots of "may haves."
I couldn't find a more up to date link (kinda sleep deprived atm).
Now, the thing here is that the "iodine & cesium" found can ONLY mean that the Reactor has catastrophically failed, as you'll only find those things outside of the reactor if the reactor is breached. There are a couple people who work in nuclear power on a few other forums confirming this.
Other sources (one in Japan atm) on a few other forums I visit state that there's been meltdown. I think that someone stated that the people on the scene are trying to, hold up, ah, here's the quote.
So yeah, the reactor failed, which means the anti-nuclear power vultures are going to have a field day inciting fear through bull☺☺☺☺ and over exaggeration. As I said earlier, this is just the beginning of a headache inducing bout of epic stupidity and fearmongering.
#2. Dungeon Keeper Ami; Proving that sometimes the best Villians are the ones who used to be Heros.
#3. Ow, My Sanity: There are things man was not meant to love.
I'd say its a pretty good testament to the advances in nuclear power actually. If you see images of the reactor you will probably see smoke rising from it. That's the steam that was automatically vented to reduce pressure. So the failsafes failed, the failsafe's failsafes failed. Yet still it managed to prevent a total meltdown through automatic last-ditch effort procedure.
Is there any way to take a pile after it's gone critical, and either forcibly (explosively?) drive the pile apart, or is it too late at that point?
Perhaps even placing multiple holes below the pile, basically vertically oriented, branching "channels" that go a few hundred feet vertically downward underneath the pile, spreading wider and wider, such that in a meltdown, the core will split into smaller and smaller sub-piles that eventually fall below critical mass?
The effect would be that the critical core, as it sank vertically, would tend to be broken into pieces smaller and smaller and wider apart.
Or even driving multiple, high velocity, shaped, carbon ballistic spikes into the core in a way that would in aggregate, result in enough absorption of neutrons to stop the reaction?
Maybe even a shaped charge or set of charges that could blow the mass apart (then follow with a carbon dust infusion to fill the chamber) without destroying the protective housing?
Just wondering if those kinds of ideas were ever thrown around or discussed? Why would something like that not work?
"critical" means that the chain is self-sustaining. putting graphite limiters in is highly dangerous to the worker and wouldnt stop it. what you would have to do is throw it in the water that they use to limit neutrons.
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and this is where japan has the issue, they lost some of this water. the U.S. said it would send some over however.
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Just thinking outside the box, to get a better understanding and grasp on the problem.
Never mind. A little wiki-ing on pebble bed reactors (an example of a reactor design not in wide use but which is cleverly designed for graceful failure) and failure scenarios for more common types of LWRs covered all my questions. My questions stemmed from my misunderstanding what was actually going on here... Nobody is worried about something going supercritical or anything like that (total confusion on my part). It's purely an issue of loss of coolant and potential meltdown and potential (1) loss of containment (2) release of radioactive steam (3) permanent loss of the reactor (4) big time long disposal issues (5) cancer for many.
They're saying there's two reactors now in danger of meltdown, and they might be separate from the first one they were talking about which they may have already flooded with boron & seawater? The CNN guy was unclear. So 2 or 3?
Fukushima Daiichi no. 1 and no. 3 I believe are the ones threatening to meltdown. Sorry, not posting iPhone cnn links because they seem to become dead links. 160 tested for radiation.
Death toll from tsunamis is looking to be at least in the 5 figure range. My prayers go out to them.