Edvard Munch's "The Scream" (which art historians have claimed has surpassed the Mona Lisa as the most recognized piece of art in the world) sold at Sotheby's for $119.9 million dollars today.
I don't know where this ranks on highest amount paid for a single piece, but I remembered Starry Night by Van Gogh selling for $200+ million a couple years back to a Japanese art collector.
No information on the buyer or where the painting will be displayed yet.
Is this really the most recognized painting in the world?
I would not be surprised to learn that the truly most recognized painting in the world was something Chinese, by sheer virtue of population count.
Yeah, Art Historians tend to have a Europe only bias, but when you factor in that most countries in Africa and South America have colonial roots from Europe, the populations increase dramatically.
Yeah, Art Historians tend to have a Europe only bias, but when you factor in that most countries in Africa and South America have colonial roots from Europe, the populations increase dramatically.
Well, kinda. China alone has as many people as both of those continents together.
Isn't most Chinese art either religious or historical in some form?
This would make copies desirable.
I would think a sculpure or something like that would be the most common form of Art, but the west would not recognise it as art per say since it lacks an "artistic" feel.
(likely also a bias against the Mona Lisa).
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When I read the thread title I immediatly thought of The Scream. So I guess from my point of view it is the most recognized piece of art.
Is this just because the thing has just come up for sale and is being plastered over the airwaves at the moment though?
Give it a couple of months for the current furor to die down and would you still think that The Scream is still the most recognisable picture as opposed to the Mona Lisa, Van Gogh's Starry night / sunflowers.
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It's not biased. It's just how it is.
If the average Eastern person can recognize famous Western works, but the average person in the West can't recognize famous Eastern works, then it's fair to say that Western works are more recognized globally.
Obviously why this happens is another issue altogether...
It's an interesting cycle. The Scream becomes the world's most recognized painting, prompting people to post about it, which further bolsters its recognizability.
Edvard Munch's "The Scream" (which art historians have claimed has surpassed the Mona Lisa as the most recognized piece of art in the world) sold at Sotheby's for $119.9 million dollars today.
I don't know where this ranks on highest amount paid for a single piece, but I remembered Starry Night by Van Gogh selling for $200+ million a couple years back to a Japanese art collector.
No information on the buyer or where the painting will be displayed yet.
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One of Edvard Munch's "The Scream" (which art historians have claimed has surpassed the Mona Lisa as the most recognized piece of art in the world) sold at Sotheby's for $119.9 million dollars today.
The one that sold is not the one that you all know. I know that a few years ago thieves stole one of them and it got burned to ashes - but maybe that was a trick to get the police off their tracks. All very cloak and daggery.
There are a whole host of factors that go into why Eastern art is not as well known as Western art, one of which being the Euro-centric world view that is pretty widely acknowledged by now in the art world. Also, if there were to be Eastern art that were widely recognizable, it would most likely be woodblock prints, which were made for mass production. This includes stuff like The Great Wave, what I would guess is probably the most recognizable Eastern work of art. Also, the art culture in Asia was significantly different from that in Europe, as many artists were wealthy aristocrats who made art for themselves and their friends, rather than talented individuals who made art for wealthy people. This restricted art to the upper tiers of society for a fairly long period of time.
Well the list was definitely American biased because the Top Four (in no discernible order) were:
The Scream
Mona Lisa
American Gothic
Whistler's Mother
I never would have thought that the scream would out do the mona lisa.
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So if the artist originally painted four, this was the one still in private hands, right? This wasn't one of the ones sold out of the museums, I hope.
I'm pretty sure the "lost" Scream is still out there in a private collectors hands. "Thieves" don't steal paintings, they rob corner stores. Rich people hire thieves to steal art. The cost of putting a crew together, getting the painting, and then covering it all up would cost WAY less than $120m.
Cool stuff, though.
BTW regarding price, this is highest set AT AUCTION; private sales have easily eclipsed this.
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When I first saw mention of asia I thought of the Tsunami one.
tsunami one?
are you referring to that series, that features different angles of mount fugi in the background of every painting?
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Is this really the most recognized painting in the world?
I would not be surprised to learn that the truly most recognized painting in the world was something Chinese, by sheer virtue of population count.
Calligraphy is the highest art form in China. Chinese painting is significantly lesser regarded. Sometimes there will be some small abstract doodle on a scroll; but, ultimately, connoisseurs always regard the poem on the work to be the most significant feature.
Some later Chinese art, such as from the Shanghai school, deemphasized calligraphy; but, this was largely oriented toward Westerners. For the reason that calligraphy is extremely culture specific, Westerners are unable to appreciate Chinese works.
"The Scream" is so well-known, and so iconic, that the people determining signage for the inevitable large nuclear waste dump in America planned on using the face as one of the images designed to steer future, non-English speaking peoples off the site.
I'd put an image up but I don't really know how to attach like that...
The problem with a lot of Asian Art is that while they have noteworthy art and artists, no individual pieces stand out to western audiences, especially because their art styles were much more minimalist while the Catholic Church was comissioning elaborate pieces and really making painting a major point of western culture.
I instantly thought of the Mona Lisa in terms of what I think is the most recognizable painting. Is it the best painting? Not in my eyes, I like Van Gogh's Starry Night above all else.
I didn't even know what The Scream was until a googled it a few minutes ago. But maybe this is just my ignorance showing. I still think the Mona Lisa is the most recognizable painting out there.
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ya thats it. 46 views of mount fugi. and the Wave is the most famous.
whether most recognized or not. i never appoach that print outside of the greater context of mt. fugi series. personally i prefer a few of the there views, in my mind they are better than the wave.
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I don't know where this ranks on highest amount paid for a single piece, but I remembered Starry Night by Van Gogh selling for $200+ million a couple years back to a Japanese art collector.
No information on the buyer or where the painting will be displayed yet.
I would not be surprised to learn that the truly most recognized painting in the world was something Chinese, by sheer virtue of population count.
Yeah, Art Historians tend to have a Europe only bias, but when you factor in that most countries in Africa and South America have colonial roots from Europe, the populations increase dramatically.
Well, kinda. China alone has as many people as both of those continents together.
This would make copies desirable.
I would think a sculpure or something like that would be the most common form of Art, but the west would not recognise it as art per say since it lacks an "artistic" feel.
(likely also a bias against the Mona Lisa).
Is this just because the thing has just come up for sale and is being plastered over the airwaves at the moment though?
Give it a couple of months for the current furor to die down and would you still think that The Scream is still the most recognisable picture as opposed to the Mona Lisa, Van Gogh's Starry night / sunflowers.
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Yes, but Chinese people would have no reason not to know what the Mona Lisa is.
The Scream
Mona Lisa
American Gothic
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If the average Eastern person can recognize famous Western works, but the average person in the West can't recognize famous Eastern works, then it's fair to say that Western works are more recognized globally.
Obviously why this happens is another issue altogether...
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Just a clarification... It should have started:
One of Edvard Munch's "The Scream" (which art historians have claimed has surpassed the Mona Lisa as the most recognized piece of art in the world) sold at Sotheby's for $119.9 million dollars today.
The one that sold is not the one that you all know. I know that a few years ago thieves stole one of them and it got burned to ashes - but maybe that was a trick to get the police off their tracks. All very cloak and daggery.
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i think this could be an unknown fact that is waiting for the world to realize at some point in the future.
I never would have thought that the scream would out do the mona lisa.
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I have never, until now, seen Whistler's Mother.
I initially thought the scream when I read the title. Then instantainiously thought, no it must be the mona lisa.
When I first saw mention of asia I thought of the Tsunami one.
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I'm pretty sure the "lost" Scream is still out there in a private collectors hands. "Thieves" don't steal paintings, they rob corner stores. Rich people hire thieves to steal art. The cost of putting a crew together, getting the painting, and then covering it all up would cost WAY less than $120m.
Cool stuff, though.
BTW regarding price, this is highest set AT AUCTION; private sales have easily eclipsed this.
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tsunami one?
are you referring to that series, that features different angles of mount fugi in the background of every painting?
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Some later Chinese art, such as from the Shanghai school, deemphasized calligraphy; but, this was largely oriented toward Westerners. For the reason that calligraphy is extremely culture specific, Westerners are unable to appreciate Chinese works.
I mean really now? That over Van Gogh's Starry Night or his self portraits? Or Dali's Persistence of Memory? Or Monet? Or the Sistene Chapel ceiling?
Or Andy Warhol for that matter?
This is a way more accurate list in my opinion: http://www.touropia.com/most-famous-paintings/
I'd put an image up but I don't really know how to attach like that...
EDIT: I'll just link to the page. It's actually an interesting consideration of how to mark an area as hazardous across millennia. http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/Anthro/Anth101/wipp.html
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The Scream
The Creation of Adam
The Last Supper
Starry Night
Mona Lisa
The Persistence of Memory
They come partially from this list (I was searching for the proper names):
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The problem with a lot of Asian Art is that while they have noteworthy art and artists, no individual pieces stand out to western audiences, especially because their art styles were much more minimalist while the Catholic Church was comissioning elaborate pieces and really making painting a major point of western culture.
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I didn't even know what The Scream was until a googled it a few minutes ago. But maybe this is just my ignorance showing. I still think the Mona Lisa is the most recognizable painting out there.
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ya thats it. 46 views of mount fugi. and the Wave is the most famous.
whether most recognized or not. i never appoach that print outside of the greater context of mt. fugi series. personally i prefer a few of the there views, in my mind they are better than the wave.
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