Rats, I never read that particular stuff...the part where God got shot and killed?!
As far as Parasite goes...he tends to get in over his head.
Usually, when he "borrows" someones power...he loses a little potency in the diminishing returns.
I don't know much about gamma rays. But just because he can absorb gamma rays...do they say that he can absorb all the other forms of light/energy/photons?
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I don't know much about gamma rays. But just because he can absorb gamma rays...do they say that he can absorb all the other forms of light/energy/photons?
Comic book writers, as a rule, have only the faintest idea of what energy really is. Don't expect rhyme or reason out of them.
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Doomsday proved that you can beat on Superman hard enough and kill him. Unless your referencing godly silver age Superman of old Superman can die to being beat on.
Doomsday did not have Kryptonite and yet he still withstood Superman and beat on him as hard as he beat on Doomsday if not harder.
So in this case I think Red Hulk would win since he can beat on him as hard as Doomsday could potentially.
Red Hulk is not the most powerful entity in the marvel universe though unless your just referencing the whole super heroes/villains then he might be.
The godly Marvel characters are beyond any super hero/villain easily they just don't have the popularity level for most people to know they exist since they just hang back always and do nothing 99% of the time.
From what little I know about you I would bet good money would absolutely love it. (a whinny attention ***** God. That likes tooling on people and than seeing if they will still love him.)
Comic book writers, as a rule, have only the faintest idea of what energy really is. Don't expect rhyme or reason out of them.
Word.
But I still think that he would have no problem draining the 'yellow sunlight' from superman. I am sure comic writes would just assume its just like 'cosmic energy' which Rulk has already absorbed before.
Doomsday proved that you can beat on Superman hard enough and kill him...
If you're a character specifically written to kill Superman, you're in a limited series specifically written for you to kill Superman, and Superman is specifically written for you to kill, then yes. (And with all that on your side, Superman is still going to take you with him. And then come back from the dead.) But even assuming DC tries this stunt again, there's no way they're going to let a Marvel villain kill the big guy.
But I still think that he would have no problem draining the 'yellow sunlight' from superman. I am sure comic writes would just assume its just like 'cosmic energy' which Rulk has already absorbed before.
But Superman would win anyway, because the writers are on his side.
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Take your pick: protective gear, hit-and-run tactics, whacking him with the Phantom Zone ray, freezing the whole city block he's occupying and tossing it into the Sun, hovering in low Earth orbit and frying him with heat vision, figuring out who he is and what sets him off then reversing it...
This is me brainstorming for about thirty seconds. Give an experienced writer a day or two, and there's practically no limit to the number of believable* ways for Superman to do the deed.
*In the comic-book paradigm, of course.
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I'm down with the Hulk. Who actually has a mind of his own. Bruce just has to give Hulk full control, and completely give in to his anger, and he'll reach strengths higher than Superman.
I'm going with the "Hero" that's only power was meant for fighting.
This is me brainstorming for about thirty seconds. Give an experienced writer a day or two, and there's practically no limit to the number of believable* ways for Superman to do the deed.
*In the comic-book paradigm, of course.
Freezing is not going to work on Rulk!
If your argument is going to be "good guys always win the debate is pointless" I am going to have to question why you even started it in the first place.
Also, I guess your answer would be the same even if it was Green Arrow instead of Superman?
Additionally,
I submit that the writers would want Rulk to win the fight. The first thing Rulk did when he was introduced was bet up She-Hulk, Hulk, Thor and Ironman to prove what a threat he was. If he showed up in DC, they would want him to bet up Superman for the same reason.
If your argument is going to be "good guys always win the debate is pointless" I am going to have to question why you even started it in the first place.
I didn't start this debate, your *ahem* mysterious doppelgänger started it.
Also, I guess your answer would be the same even if it was Green Arrow instead of Superman?
Well, obviously the Green Arrow can't hover in low Earth orbit and doesn't have access to a Phantom Zone ray, but in essence, yes. I believe I already mentioned Batman in a similar context.
I submit that the writers would want Rulk to win the fight. The first thing Rulk did when he was introduced was bet up She-Hulk, Hulk, Thor and Ironman to prove what a threat he was. If he showed up in DC, they would want him to bet up Superman for the same reason.
They might follow the pattern of having the villain win the first engagement to establish his threat and build up dramatic tension, but that's not the same thing as winning the fight. Also remember that this fight, as defined in the OP, is to the death, and there's no way they would want the Red Hulk to kill Superman. Supes may be nonlethal by preference, but I still give him better odds of doing the deed.
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I am going to have to say that Superman has this fight in the bag. If I were Superman I know exactly how the fight would go down. I would fly as fast as I could, grab the Red Hulk by the arm and fly directly into the sun. Done. Fights over. And if somehow it came down to it, Superman has the JLA on his side, and Red Hulk has The Offenders. Red Hulk is just outclassed all the way around.
Whenever Thor and the Hulk fought, I felt like Thor could have won easily IF he hit as hard as he could from the start. But that never happened. Thor would generally restrain himself for a while, pulling his punches until he realized just how much punishment the Hulk could actually take. By that time, the fight had angered Hulk so much that he'd become much stronger than when the conflict started. Therefore, Thor would have trouble beating him and might even lose.
I think Superman would have the same mentality as Thor. He'd be restrained at first, thus letting Hulk get madder and stronger. By the time Supes realized this, it might be too late. I still think the big blue Boy Scout would find a way to take the Hulk down, but it might not be "to the death."
On the other hand, if Superman was fully aware of the Hulk's capability, knew that millions of lives were at stake, and decided to hold absolutely nothing back from the start, I think he could end the Hulk rather quickly.
They might follow the pattern of having the villain win the first engagement to establish his threat and build up dramatic tension, but that's not the same thing as winning the fight. Also remember that this fight, as defined in the OP, is to the death, and there's no way they would want the Red Hulk to kill Superman. Supes may be nonlethal by preference, but I still give him better odds of doing the deed.
If we are going from this angle, we would have to look at it from a sales perspective. Which would sell more comics.
If Superman would kill Rulk, it would do nothing but upset the fans. Superman only killed 3 people in his history, all at the same time, to make a dramatic story. They have recently written that event out of history to make Superman the pinnacle of moral character that people want. If he kills Rulk, a new villain that has not committed the kind of atrocities the 3 people Superman killed did. It would be a VERY weak story, and would only upset fans.
However, if Rulk kills Superman, the fans will read it, and since, right now, Blackest Night is going on in DC it would be a simple matter to bring back Superman from the dead, and he would make a really scary Blackest Night zombie in the meantime. Killing Superman during Blackest Night would be a perfect. They just killed Hawkman and Hawkgirl, but no one really cared; however, if they off'ed a big name like Superman, it would sell books.
Bottom line: It makes more 'sense' here for the writers to kill Superman and bring him back, than for Superman to compromise his morals and commit murder.
Batman, a mortal human with no super powers beat superman. Needless to say, it is doubtful that superman could win against Red Hulk.
Sure, batman has no "powers," but he does have some things pretty much no other hero does, not at his level: Preparation and Brilliance. Batman is ready for pretty much anything. He's not exactly your typical "mortal human with no super powers."
I'm confident that Batman could beat Rulk. (He'd probably start losing the first fight, retreat, then come back ready to go) But Batman is simply more badass than Supes.
I haven't read a whole lot on Rulk, but this is Superman we're talking about. The guy has gone down what, one time? Time #2 isn't going to be to some Hulk gimmick. He'll find a way.
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I believe the Hulk has already fought all the DC heroes and they all lost. But if I remember right it was only Batman who was able to beat him. Now, if it was beat or subdue, that would make a difference. But I can't remember which one it was. Batman has no power, but he does have brains. And money. Lots and lots of money. Nothing in the world is stronger than money.
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I believe the Hulk has already fought all the DC heroes and they all lost. But if I remember right it was only Batman who was able to beat him.
I could say this isn't true without any knowledge of actual crossover events whatsoever, simply because DC would no more let a Marvel character wipe the floor with multiple DC heroes than Marvel would allow the reverse. But I can also tell you as a matter of fact that Superman has beaten the (green) Hulk one-on-one. (With the Hulk apparently at full Bruce Banner intelligence, too.)
Sure, batman has no "powers," but he does have some things pretty much no other hero does, not at his level: Preparation and Brilliance. Batman is ready for pretty much anything. He's not exactly your typical "mortal human with no super powers."
Anyways, I think Superman is such a dated character, that with all the rewrites, they think he's more compelling as more "human", and therefore could use his defeat to fulfill some kind of story arch.
All I know is that these comic book storylines have become so bogus, that catching up with these characters has been a chore. They need to let characters like Superman, Hulk, and Batman rest in peace, and develop new ones. Zzz.
Anyways, I think Superman is such a dated character, that with all the rewrites, they think he's more compelling as more "human", and therefore could use his defeat to fulfill some kind of story arch.
All I know is that these comic book storylines have become so bogus, that catching up with these characters has been a chore. They need to let characters like Superman, Hulk, and Batman rest in peace, and develop new ones. Zzz.
Honestly, I thought about referencing that as Batman's super power, but thought it might be a little too obscure.
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I could say this isn't true without any knowledge of actual crossover events whatsoever, simply because DC would no more let a Marvel character wipe the floor with multiple DC heroes than Marvel would allow the reverse. But I can also tell you as a matter of fact that Superman has beaten the (green) Hulk one-on-one. (With the Hulk apparently at full Bruce Banner intelligence, too.)
To my knowledge they have fought twice, the other time was silverage Superman VS dumb green Hulk. Superman won (it was not even close. He let Hulk hit him a few times)
Silverage batman also fight dumb green Hulk and won.
BS, I take it you found this statement reasonable then? Bottom line: It makes more 'sense' here for the writers to kill Superman and bring him back, than for Superman to compromise his morals and commit murder.
The thing is that most of the posts I have seen here are ignoring that this is red hulk, a character with a unique power to absorb any energy and have that energy augment his strength as well, along with intelligence. Most of superman's powers that everyone is referencing would only augment the Red hulk due to his energy absorption.
Superman is basically a super solar battery. Rulk can literally absorb that energy from supes. Rulk can absorb kryptonite to augment his power. Attacking the Rulk will make him angry generating a great deal of heat which in turn becomes lethal to the beings of earth. Given that heat can be absorbed as an energy source than technically the Rulk is like the green hulk in his ability to grow more powerful the angrier he gets.
I don't care what the writers would do in their respective universes. This is not their universe. This is a hypothetical that unfortunately is coming down to a popularity contest because people aren't reading up on the characters.
Rulk wins against supes. Rulk is willing to do so many things as well as having the capability to do those things that supes can't. Phantom Zone would also fail against Rulk since he would be able to disperse the ray or even absorb it.
Also let's face it. Superman is an idiot. Just like the image of deadpool talking about common sense indicates.
In terms of raw physical power (strength, resistance to injury, etc.) they're pretty much the same. In a straight out slugfest it's probably a tossup.
Supes has the speed, mobility and range advantages, but he's a boy scout. Superman is NOT going to blindside him and toss him into the sun, or roast him with heat vision from 1000 yards out.
Rulk however, is a smart, dirty infighter. He fights with a general's mindset. (hint hint) He will not hesitate to threaten/injure/kill innocents to get the fight to go his way. He'll know that Superman outclasses him powerwise and will adapt his strategy in order to beat him (or at least get him to make a critical mistake)
As far as Parasite goes...he tends to get in over his head.
Usually, when he "borrows" someones power...he loses a little potency in the diminishing returns.
I don't know much about gamma rays. But just because he can absorb gamma rays...do they say that he can absorb all the other forms of light/energy/photons?
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Comic book writers, as a rule, have only the faintest idea of what energy really is. Don't expect rhyme or reason out of them.
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Doomsday did not have Kryptonite and yet he still withstood Superman and beat on him as hard as he beat on Doomsday if not harder.
So in this case I think Red Hulk would win since he can beat on him as hard as Doomsday could potentially.
Red Hulk is not the most powerful entity in the marvel universe though unless your just referencing the whole super heroes/villains then he might be.
The godly Marvel characters are beyond any super hero/villain easily they just don't have the popularity level for most people to know they exist since they just hang back always and do nothing 99% of the time.
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From what little I know about you I would bet good money would absolutely love it. (a whinny attention ***** God. That likes tooling on people and than seeing if they will still love him.)
Word.
But I still think that he would have no problem draining the 'yellow sunlight' from superman. I am sure comic writes would just assume its just like 'cosmic energy' which Rulk has already absorbed before.
If you're a character specifically written to kill Superman, you're in a limited series specifically written for you to kill Superman, and Superman is specifically written for you to kill, then yes. (And with all that on your side, Superman is still going to take you with him. And then come back from the dead.) But even assuming DC tries this stunt again, there's no way they're going to let a Marvel villain kill the big guy.
But Superman would win anyway, because the writers are on his side.
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But the writers would give a story reason, unlike your doing.
Take your pick: protective gear, hit-and-run tactics, whacking him with the Phantom Zone ray, freezing the whole city block he's occupying and tossing it into the Sun, hovering in low Earth orbit and frying him with heat vision, figuring out who he is and what sets him off then reversing it...
This is me brainstorming for about thirty seconds. Give an experienced writer a day or two, and there's practically no limit to the number of believable* ways for Superman to do the deed.
*In the comic-book paradigm, of course.
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I'm going with the "Hero" that's only power was meant for fighting.
If your argument is going to be "good guys always win the debate is pointless" I am going to have to question why you even started it in the first place.
Also, I guess your answer would be the same even if it was Green Arrow instead of Superman?
Additionally,
I submit that the writers would want Rulk to win the fight. The first thing Rulk did when he was introduced was bet up She-Hulk, Hulk, Thor and Ironman to prove what a threat he was. If he showed up in DC, they would want him to bet up Superman for the same reason.
I didn't start this debate, your *ahem* mysterious doppelgänger started it.
Well, obviously the Green Arrow can't hover in low Earth orbit and doesn't have access to a Phantom Zone ray, but in essence, yes. I believe I already mentioned Batman in a similar context.
They might follow the pattern of having the villain win the first engagement to establish his threat and build up dramatic tension, but that's not the same thing as winning the fight. Also remember that this fight, as defined in the OP, is to the death, and there's no way they would want the Red Hulk to kill Superman. Supes may be nonlethal by preference, but I still give him better odds of doing the deed.
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Are you saying the Red Hulk is the equal of the Dark Knight?
BURN THE WITCH!
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I think Superman would have the same mentality as Thor. He'd be restrained at first, thus letting Hulk get madder and stronger. By the time Supes realized this, it might be too late. I still think the big blue Boy Scout would find a way to take the Hulk down, but it might not be "to the death."
On the other hand, if Superman was fully aware of the Hulk's capability, knew that millions of lives were at stake, and decided to hold absolutely nothing back from the start, I think he could end the Hulk rather quickly.
If we are going from this angle, we would have to look at it from a sales perspective. Which would sell more comics.
If Superman would kill Rulk, it would do nothing but upset the fans. Superman only killed 3 people in his history, all at the same time, to make a dramatic story. They have recently written that event out of history to make Superman the pinnacle of moral character that people want. If he kills Rulk, a new villain that has not committed the kind of atrocities the 3 people Superman killed did. It would be a VERY weak story, and would only upset fans.
However, if Rulk kills Superman, the fans will read it, and since, right now, Blackest Night is going on in DC it would be a simple matter to bring back Superman from the dead, and he would make a really scary Blackest Night zombie in the meantime. Killing Superman during Blackest Night would be a perfect. They just killed Hawkman and Hawkgirl, but no one really cared; however, if they off'ed a big name like Superman, it would sell books.
Bottom line: It makes more 'sense' here for the writers to kill Superman and bring him back, than for Superman to compromise his morals and commit murder.
Sure, batman has no "powers," but he does have some things pretty much no other hero does, not at his level: Preparation and Brilliance. Batman is ready for pretty much anything. He's not exactly your typical "mortal human with no super powers."
I'm confident that Batman could beat Rulk. (He'd probably start losing the first fight, retreat, then come back ready to go) But Batman is simply more badass than Supes.
I haven't read a whole lot on Rulk, but this is Superman we're talking about. The guy has gone down what, one time? Time #2 isn't going to be to some Hulk gimmick. He'll find a way.
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Batman is dead.
Bruce Wayne is dead.
Batman is Richard Grayson.
I could say this isn't true without any knowledge of actual crossover events whatsoever, simply because DC would no more let a Marvel character wipe the floor with multiple DC heroes than Marvel would allow the reverse. But I can also tell you as a matter of fact that Superman has beaten the (green) Hulk one-on-one. (With the Hulk apparently at full Bruce Banner intelligence, too.)
If Batman's current metabolic state is relevant in his matchup with the Red Hulk, then oughtn't it also to be relevant in his matchup with Superman?
(For that matter, what are you thinking of when you say that Batman has beaten Superman?)
Yeah, let's see how long that lasts.
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Anyways, I think Superman is such a dated character, that with all the rewrites, they think he's more compelling as more "human", and therefore could use his defeat to fulfill some kind of story arch.
All I know is that these comic book storylines have become so bogus, that catching up with these characters has been a chore. They need to let characters like Superman, Hulk, and Batman rest in peace, and develop new ones. Zzz.
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Honestly, I thought about referencing that as Batman's super power, but thought it might be a little too obscure.
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To my knowledge they have fought twice, the other time was silverage Superman VS dumb green Hulk. Superman won (it was not even close. He let Hulk hit him a few times)
Silverage batman also fight dumb green Hulk and won.
BS, I take it you found this statement reasonable then?
Bottom line: It makes more 'sense' here for the writers to kill Superman and bring him back, than for Superman to compromise his morals and commit murder.
Superman is basically a super solar battery. Rulk can literally absorb that energy from supes. Rulk can absorb kryptonite to augment his power. Attacking the Rulk will make him angry generating a great deal of heat which in turn becomes lethal to the beings of earth. Given that heat can be absorbed as an energy source than technically the Rulk is like the green hulk in his ability to grow more powerful the angrier he gets.
I don't care what the writers would do in their respective universes. This is not their universe. This is a hypothetical that unfortunately is coming down to a popularity contest because people aren't reading up on the characters.
Rulk wins against supes. Rulk is willing to do so many things as well as having the capability to do those things that supes can't. Phantom Zone would also fail against Rulk since he would be able to disperse the ray or even absorb it.
Also let's face it. Superman is an idiot. Just like the image of deadpool talking about common sense indicates.
Supes has the speed, mobility and range advantages, but he's a boy scout. Superman is NOT going to blindside him and toss him into the sun, or roast him with heat vision from 1000 yards out.
Rulk however, is a smart, dirty infighter. He fights with a general's mindset. (hint hint) He will not hesitate to threaten/injure/kill innocents to get the fight to go his way. He'll know that Superman outclasses him powerwise and will adapt his strategy in order to beat him (or at least get him to make a critical mistake)
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