Red Hulk:
Stronger than green Hulk, who fight the Sentry recently, with the ability to absorb energy. If Superman had trouble with Parasite, he is really going to have trouble with this guy.
Superman:
Last son of Krypton. You all should know him by now. Some say he is unbeatable, but is he?
No contest, Red Hulk wins. Because he is the strongest character in the Marvel Universe to this point, and superman is the worst superhero concept ever. "Well, he has the candid power to come up with his own powers whenever the plot requires him to. Also he loses this when he's near this extremely rare mineral that is apparently in abundance everywhere he is." Ie. "Well, the universe just ended and now I'm stuck in Pre-Time... hey look kryptonite!"
...and superman is the worst superhero concept ever. "Well, he has the candid power to come up with his own powers whenever the plot requires him to. Also he loses this when he's near this extremely rare mineral that is apparently in abundance everywhere he is." Ie. "Well, the universe just ended and now I'm stuck in Pre-Time... hey look kryptonite!"
"Candid power"?
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Candid: (adj.) indicating or suggesting sincere honesty and absence of deception. "The writers of Superman candidly give Superman new powers by simply writing in that he didn't know he had them before hand." See Celophane "S" from Superman 2.
I am biased against DC comics, so I guess that might be affecting my judgement.
The definition you posted and the way you are trying to use it don't exactly jive with each other.
I voted for Superman. Rulk can absorb energy, but I don't see that being the same as Parasite who can absorb powers. The best argument that could be made is that Rulk could absorb the yellow sun energy that powers Supes, but that's kind of fuzzy science even for comics.
Green Hulk was never the most powerful.
Red Hulk is ONLY the most powerful of the HULKS.
Silver Surfer is notable as being more powerful than the Hulk...and during Scott Summers and Jean Greys wedding, Hulk and company were having a little spat of words, when the SHADOW of Surfers board came overhead. Surfers voice comes down and asks them to sit down and show some respect...HUlk, Doc Sampson, and bunch, sit down...even the Hulk says "Yessir"
But I digress...Silver Surfer is not even the most powerfull. Anyone who gets their hands on the Infinity Gauntlet would have been the most powerful. As it took nearly EVERY hero and villian to stop Thanos when he got his hands on it. And, they could not EVEN kill Thanos.
Adam Warlock in fact...after the Infinity Wars, when Eternity entrusts Adam to select the guardians of the 5 Guantlet stones, Adam chooses Thanos to guard the Reality Stone. Why? Because Adam Warlock knows that there is pretty much no way anyone is going to get that stone away from Thanos.
So I would say
#1. Eternity, #2. Anyone with the Guantlet, #3. Silver Surfer, #4. Galactus/Thanos (tie), #5. Hulk
Superman is NOT the most powerful.
Spectre was a character who was as powerful as Superman, hands down. But Spectre was an agent doing work for another Character. That character was believe it or not, God. In DC comics, the Almighty God himself (appearing in chat bubbles, you never actually SEE him) tells Spectre what to do. And Spectre can do pretty much anything.
Then...you have to give credit to Black Adam (weird how Adam is correlated in comics) Black Adam can stand toe to toe with Superman, AND has magical powers that kick Supermans butt all over the place. If only they were truly enemies, we might see the real death of Superman.
Speaking of which...SUperman DID get killed by Doomsday. Sadly, DC wanted to make so much more money so they ruined the plotline to bring him back from the dead. I hated that part.
Look at Superman. What a disaster.
Eyes: X-ray, Laser, Masonry skills (watch him rebuild the Great Wall of China with his eyes in Superman 4 The Quest for Peace) Eagle eye, object control
Strength: Cant even measure, as apparently, thats to terrible plot writting...Not even Superman can make a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it.
Flight: Easy one.
He doesn't need to breathe in space or underwater???? WHAT??? Wait a minute. On Krypton, it was a planet of Ice...which by default means that Krypton had an atmoshpere. So Superman HAS TO breathe something. Yet I guess, when your home planet blows up, you don't need to breathe anymore.
They just give Superman new powers willy nilly depending on whatever the obstacle is. Laser beam prison? He can break his molecules up and pass through the lasers unharmed (Watch The New Adventures of Lois & Clark)
I hate that. Then, don't forget that DARKSIDE pwned Superman on many occasions, and was only stopped by the Peacekeeper and the army of Extra-terrestrial U.N. forces.
So I'd say
#1. God, #2. Spectre, #3. Black Adam, #4. DarkSide, #5. Superman
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My vote is that we do not need the Red Hulk. Despite the Marvel vs. DC comics, that have already been in print for 18 years....In those, Superman beats The Hulk. however...I think it is only because they have Silver Surfer beat Green Lantern. (sort of a tit for tat) I mean really....the comics would have bombed if you actually had character data determine victory.
Superman is awesome...but he is contrived at best. If Superman were to fight the Flying Spagetti Monster...I'm sure the DC writers would just give Superman Parmesan Cheese Vision, or Super Marinara Sauce Fingers.
The Superman writers just love to make stuff up for Superman everyday. Especially when there is a terrible earthquake. Why not have him fly around the earth so fast he turns back time.
Hulk is still tops on Supes...He gets stronger with rage. He is Superstrong and can Jump high. That is it. No laser beams or freeze breathe, or masonry skills. SUper strength. But that is all the Hulk needs. He will pick up two Katrillion ton broken fragments of the planet Krypton and Smash Supermans lame-o butt into supergravy.
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Silver Age Superman is the one that gets the flak for being stupid powerful, he gets toned down after.
Silver Age Superman is unbeatable, the man time traveled to make sure Lois took her BC.
I think Superman could win if he stuck to hit and run tactics he is quicker even now then the Red Hulk.
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Haha, comparing comic book characters is futile. How can you truly measure who is the most powerful? Who has the most powers? Who has the strongest powers? Who has the most practical powers? Besides, many characters have had their powers changed and evolved. It's more evident with Superman because he's been around for so long.
Anyway, both characters have similar strenght/endurance, the only real difference that matters being that Superman has one gaping weakness. And since the Red Hulk is not a mindless berserker like his green counterpart, he'll be smart enough to find some K rocks before engaging Superman.
So I would say
#1. Eternity, #2. Anyone with the Guantlet, #3. Silver Surfer, #4. Galactus/Thanos (tie), #5. Hulk
Isn't the Silver Surfer created from a small fraction of Galactus's power? How can SS be stronger than the planet eater?
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I never read Marvel, only DC, and that was about 10 years ago.
I didn't know Red Hulk was smart.
To DC readers: Is Cyborg / Hank Henshaw still a badass villain? He was awesome during the Return of Superman / Trial of Superman / Superman vs Doomsday sagas.
Isn't the Silver Surfer created from a small fraction of Galactus's power? How can SS be stronger than the planet eater?
Galactus in a way is more powerful...however...in practice he is not. Galactus hasa NEED to eat planets. Silver Surfer was created by Galatus powerful enough to turn on Galactus and stop G from eating the earth.
Does the fact that surfer was powerful enough to "drive away" G, make him more powerful than G, maybe not...but it does mean that G is unwilling to unleash his power entirely. Surfer clearly has no problem going ape nutz on evildoers.
Anyway, both characters have similar strenght/endurance, the only real difference that matters being that Superman has one gaping weakness. And since the Red Hulk is not a mindless berserker like his green counterpart, he'll be smart enough to find some K rocks before engaging Superman.
Again...we don't need the Red Hulk. The Green Hulk is smart.
Doctor Bruce Banners Mind, and the Green Hulk...have fused together, this happened before Green Hulk joined Pantheon, who is called Bruce, not the Hulk, by his friends....
but, in context of the OP....
Rulk would beat Superman...not in the comics of course....as Marvel could easily bounce back from the defeat of Hulk...but DC would lose alot if they even dreamed of allowing Superman to get owned. This is why they brought him back from the dead....which was lame.
On a side note: Rulk wins because Rulk, and Hulk, would be willing to KILL.
Superman doesn't kill anyone...even Lex, a normal human easily ripped in half...Superman has some stupid line he won't cross, self-righteousness.
I have seen Surfer, Green Hulk, X-Men, and many more in Marvel actually ending peoples lives. This gives Rulk a HUGE advantage...Superman would not cross the kill line...so as long as Rulk lives...he will eventually be willing to Kill Superman.
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Yeah, these lists are wrong.
God is not a DC character with stats, since He never DOES anything himself.. Lucifer Morningstar is however.
No way is Darkseid ahead of Superman. As much as I hate it every time Superman does it, he bets the hell out of Darkseid in hand-to-hand every time.
Silver Surf should not even be on that list, let alone AHEAD of Galactus. Silver Surf is powerful, sure, but he is just a herald of Galactus. They are a dime a dozen and even spiderman bet one up. Unless it was a joke, putting a HERALD of Galactus ahead of him?
Green Hulk went to a standstill with Sentry, and Sentry is just as powerful as Superman. Rulk is more powerful then Green Hulk, so Rulk wins. QED.
Oh, and Thanos would get eaten by Galactus, easy. Galactus is one of the MAJOR powers in marvel, and has the power of a dead universe in him (just read the description and count how many times 'omnipotent' is used). Thanos is just a mutant eternal from Titan, more cunning than anything else. Without a Cube or Gem, he would be no match for the nearly omnipotent "Devourer of Planets". (which is always very clear when you see them together)
But the OP made no distinction on which Superman incarnation fights the Red Hulk, if we go by Silver Age Superman his most powerful incarnation no one can beat the Man o steel.
He just goes back in time and stops the red hulk from ever exsisting.
"Hey mister my cats stuck in the tree"
Superman: "Hmm, Ill go back in time and stop the cat from going up the tree!"
"But mister you could just fly up and get him"
Superman "No, no its hardly necessary to go through all that. Im off to alter the timeline"
Don't you see that the whole aim of Moderators is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make infractions literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed, will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten.
On a side note: Rulk wins because Rulk, and Hulk, would be willing to KILL.
Superman doesn't kill anyone...even Lex, a normal human easily ripped in half...Superman has some stupid line he won't cross, self-righteousness.
I have seen Surfer, Green Hulk, X-Men, and many more in Marvel actually ending peoples lives. This gives Rulk a HUGE advantage...Superman would not cross the kill line...so as long as Rulk lives...he will eventually be willing to Kill Superman.
If Superman needs to dispose of someone or something permanently, he tosses them into the Phantom Zone. He's moral, not an idiot (well, depending on the writer).
Also, willingness to kill != ability to kill. Superman's weaknesses are as follows:
Kryptonite. The best known. Essentially a wild card in this fight; Red Hulk has no special access to the rock, but if he does get his hands on it, he's at a distinct advantage. Superman could probably still escape and switch tactics, though.
Magic. The Red Hulk doesn't have any, so irrelevant.
Red sunlight. Sometimes a mere absence of yellow sunlight will eventually do the trick, so if the Red Hulk managed to keep Superman underground for a few days, he might be able to depower him.
Lack of oxygen. Only in some incarnations of the Man of Steel, and even then he's better at holding his breath than a normal human. Much like above, this weakness is contingent on the Red Hulk's ability to hold Superman in a hostile environment for an extended period of time - not quite as extended, but then again, the environment would also be hostile to the Red Hulk himself.
My own sense is that even if the Red Hulk is superior to Superman in physical combat, he'd find it almost impossible to seal the deal.
And ultimately, it all comes down to one thing: Superman is the biggest hero in his universe, whereas the Red Hulk is a moderately prominent villain in his. The Law of Narrative Causality makes Superman's victory inevitable.
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Superman wins hands down as all he has to do is the fly around the world backwards to make time reverse as he did in the movie to go back in time to the origins of the Red Hulk then stop those events from happening,...hmmm I wonder why he doesnt do that more often?
And ultimately, it all comes down to one thing: Superman is the biggest hero in his universe, whereas the Red Hulk is a moderately prominent villain in his. The Law of Narrative Causality makes Superman's victory inevitable.
This. Such a conflict could never be resolved in-universe; it requires a metafictional solution. I mean, that Marvel vs. DC thing had Wolverine beating Lobo (who can hold his own against Superman) because Wolverine has the "popularity power."
Then again, it could get a little silly, since Silver-Age Batman could beat Red Hulk using some anti-Red-Hulk spray that he just so happened to have prepared the day before.
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Yeah, these lists are wrong.
God is not a DC character with stats, since He never DOES anything himself.. Lucifer Morningstar is however.
Epoch and Living Tribunal never DO anything either...but clearly they are more powerful than Superman if they can alter time and space.
No way is Darkseid ahead of Superman. As much as I hate it every time Superman does it, he bets the hell out of Darkseid in hand-to-hand every time.
I hate that you are right. Superman does always win...but its because it is comic suicide to the Superman franchise if they actually let Superman meet his match.
Darkseid has beaten Superman many times...with just power blasts from his eyes. Yet something, or someone, or some intergalactic U.N. peacekeeper jumps in at the last minute and tells Darkseid to stop or there would be all out intergalactic war.
But yes...I even said that Superman always seems to beat Darkseid...but if the writers were not scared of disenfranchisement of their main character...they would let Superman get killed by those few characters capable of killing him.
Like the Doomsday thing. Sadly...DC lost money, so they brought him back to life...and the way they did it was super duper lame.
Silver Surf should not even be on that list, let alone AHEAD of Galactus. Silver Surf is powerful, sure, but he is just a herald of Galactus. They are a dime a dozen and even spiderman bet one up. Unless it was a joke, putting a HERALD of Galactus ahead of him?
I agree that SS is not as powerful as G. But SS DID stop G from eating the earth...so thats not too bad.
The reason SS is higher on the list...is because G really doesn't do anything...at least Silver Surfer flys around and kicks ass.
Green Hulk went to a standstill with Sentry, and Sentry is just as powerful as Superman. Rulk is more powerful then Green Hulk, so Rulk wins. QED.
I totally agree.
Oh, and Thanos would get eaten by Galactus, easy. Galactus is one of the MAJOR powers in marvel, and has the power of a dead universe in him (just read the description and count how many times 'omnipotent' is used). Thanos is just a mutant eternal from Titan, more cunning than anything else. Without a Cube or Gem, he would be no match for the nearly omnipotent "Devourer of Planets". (which is always very clear when you see them together)
You missed the part where I am specifically talking about Thanos with the Reality Gem. Thanos IS pretty powerful himself. BUT, he was given the Reality Gem to watch over. Even Adam Warlock got ripped apart and put back together by crazy reality when he went to go see Thanos.
Thanos + Reality Gem = Galactus or Superman to be honest.
At this point in time...Galactus could NOT eat Thanos...Thanos could easily alter reality with the Gem to make Galactus microscopic.
Galactus IS friggin powerful though. Don't get me wrong.
In that respect...I believe that it wouldn't mater WHO won, Rulk or Superman....because whoever DID win that fight....could be, and I think WOULD BE destroyed by any of (Galactus, Surfer, Spectre, Black Adam, Living Tribunal, Eternity)
This. Such a conflict could never be resolved in-universe; it requires a metafictional solution. I mean, that Marvel vs. DC thing had Wolverine beating Lobo (who can hold his own against Superman) because Wolverine has the "popularity power."
I have to agree about popularity winning instead of power.
Superman wins every fight BECAUSE he is so popular...which also is a reason why the writers keep making up new more ridiculous powers for Superman to use. Like the Masonry Eyes from Quest for Peace.
On popularity alone...Rulk would use some Kryptonite on Superman...but Superman writers would just write in some kind of time warp silver age junk where he goes back in time and hides the Kryptonite from Rulk. This is why Superman is lame. No consistency.
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I hate that you are right. Superman does always win...but its because it is comic suicide to the Superman franchise if they actually let Superman meet his match.
Same's true of any other major superhero. If you don't like it that a guy with a keen mind and godlike powers can find a way to overcome any threat, how much more ridiculous is it that a guy with a keen mind but no powers at all can do the same? Because I guarantee you that if the Red Hulk found his way into Gotham City, Batman would eventually take him down.
Like the Doomsday thing. Sadly...DC lost money, so they brought him back to life...and the way they did it was super duper lame.
The whole affair was super duper lame, but you really think there was a snowball's chance in Hell they ever intended for him to stay dead? It was always a just a publicity stunt.
Superman wins every fight BECAUSE he is so popular...which also is a reason why the writers keep making up new more ridiculous powers for Superman to use. Like the Masonry Eyes from Quest for Peace.
They've pretty much stopped doing that. Heck, even All-Star Superman, which is in part a pastiche of the Silver Age, and furthermore has a good in-universe excuse to give him new powers, largely sticks to the classics.
Besides, no one acknowledges Quest for Peace as a real Superman movie anyway.
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Not all. Doomsday did not use any of those to kill him, for example.
In your list, you list red sunlight as a weakness, but do you know WHY red sunlight de-powers superman? It replaces the yellow sunlight in his cells, effectively draining them of yellow sunlight.
Which is the REAL weakness of superman, draining him of yellow sunlight.
Rulk has energy draining powers, the kind of energy he can drain the easiest? Gamma radiation.
And was is Gamma radiation? High powered LIGHT....
Epoch and Living Tribunal never DO anything either...but clearly they are more powerful than Superman if they can alter time and space.
No, they do stuff, just not often.
The only thing God has ever done in DC was have tea with Lucifer. (well, and Lilith tried to punch Him in the face and ended up breaking her hand :rofl:)
Rulk has energy draining powers, the kind of energy he can drain the easiest? Gamma radiation.
And was is Gamma radiation? High powered LIGHT....
Outside the visible spectrum, in fact, which means by definition it's not yellow.
Besides, I'm sure you've noticed that when Superman faces the Parasite, he tends to win. Same goes for Metallo, and that guy can blast him with green kryptonite radiation. So it's not like the Man of Steel can't handle opponents that require special tactics or defensive measures.
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Outside the visible spectrum, in fact, which means by definition it's not yellow.
LOL, don't use that teach symbol with ME on THIS B.S.... Gamma rays are basically what I am getting my PhD in
If gamma rays are easy for him to absorb, he should have no trouble with visible light. Also, gamma rays are not the ONLY kind of energy, just the easiest.
Besides, I'm sure you've noticed that when Superman faces the Parasite, he tends to win. Same goes for Metallo, and that guy can blast him with green kryptonite radiation. So it's not like the Man of Steel can't handle opponents that require special tactics or defensive measures.
Yeah, but Rulk is like Parasite+Doomsday. Extra Super Strong + energy absorption.
And I forgot that God also got shot and killed in DC.... Saint of Killers, if you count that as DC....
Red Hulk:
Stronger than green Hulk, who fight the Sentry recently, with the ability to absorb energy. If Superman had trouble with Parasite, he is really going to have trouble with this guy.
Superman:
Last son of Krypton. You all should know him by now. Some say he is unbeatable, but is he?
Who would win, and why?
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And Supes is the strongest character in the DC universe. I think that's the point of the contest, actually.
"Candid power"?
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
Candid: (adj.) indicating or suggesting sincere honesty and absence of deception. "The writers of Superman candidly give Superman new powers by simply writing in that he didn't know he had them before hand." See Celophane "S" from Superman 2.
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I voted for Superman. Rulk can absorb energy, but I don't see that being the same as Parasite who can absorb powers. The best argument that could be made is that Rulk could absorb the yellow sun energy that powers Supes, but that's kind of fuzzy science even for comics.
Green Hulk was never the most powerful.
Red Hulk is ONLY the most powerful of the HULKS.
Silver Surfer is notable as being more powerful than the Hulk...and during Scott Summers and Jean Greys wedding, Hulk and company were having a little spat of words, when the SHADOW of Surfers board came overhead. Surfers voice comes down and asks them to sit down and show some respect...HUlk, Doc Sampson, and bunch, sit down...even the Hulk says "Yessir"
But I digress...Silver Surfer is not even the most powerfull. Anyone who gets their hands on the Infinity Gauntlet would have been the most powerful. As it took nearly EVERY hero and villian to stop Thanos when he got his hands on it. And, they could not EVEN kill Thanos.
Adam Warlock in fact...after the Infinity Wars, when Eternity entrusts Adam to select the guardians of the 5 Guantlet stones, Adam chooses Thanos to guard the Reality Stone. Why? Because Adam Warlock knows that there is pretty much no way anyone is going to get that stone away from Thanos.
So I would say
#1. Eternity, #2. Anyone with the Guantlet, #3. Silver Surfer, #4. Galactus/Thanos (tie), #5. Hulk
Superman is NOT the most powerful.
Spectre was a character who was as powerful as Superman, hands down. But Spectre was an agent doing work for another Character. That character was believe it or not, God. In DC comics, the Almighty God himself (appearing in chat bubbles, you never actually SEE him) tells Spectre what to do. And Spectre can do pretty much anything.
Then...you have to give credit to Black Adam (weird how Adam is correlated in comics) Black Adam can stand toe to toe with Superman, AND has magical powers that kick Supermans butt all over the place. If only they were truly enemies, we might see the real death of Superman.
Speaking of which...SUperman DID get killed by Doomsday. Sadly, DC wanted to make so much more money so they ruined the plotline to bring him back from the dead. I hated that part.
Look at Superman. What a disaster.
Eyes: X-ray, Laser, Masonry skills (watch him rebuild the Great Wall of China with his eyes in Superman 4 The Quest for Peace) Eagle eye, object control
Strength: Cant even measure, as apparently, thats to terrible plot writting...Not even Superman can make a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it.
Flight: Easy one.
He doesn't need to breathe in space or underwater???? WHAT??? Wait a minute. On Krypton, it was a planet of Ice...which by default means that Krypton had an atmoshpere. So Superman HAS TO breathe something. Yet I guess, when your home planet blows up, you don't need to breathe anymore.
They just give Superman new powers willy nilly depending on whatever the obstacle is. Laser beam prison? He can break his molecules up and pass through the lasers unharmed (Watch The New Adventures of Lois & Clark)
I hate that. Then, don't forget that DARKSIDE pwned Superman on many occasions, and was only stopped by the Peacekeeper and the army of Extra-terrestrial U.N. forces.
So I'd say
#1. God, #2. Spectre, #3. Black Adam, #4. DarkSide, #5. Superman
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My vote is that we do not need the Red Hulk. Despite the Marvel vs. DC comics, that have already been in print for 18 years....In those, Superman beats The Hulk. however...I think it is only because they have Silver Surfer beat Green Lantern. (sort of a tit for tat) I mean really....the comics would have bombed if you actually had character data determine victory.
Superman is awesome...but he is contrived at best. If Superman were to fight the Flying Spagetti Monster...I'm sure the DC writers would just give Superman Parmesan Cheese Vision, or Super Marinara Sauce Fingers.
The Superman writers just love to make stuff up for Superman everyday. Especially when there is a terrible earthquake. Why not have him fly around the earth so fast he turns back time.
Hulk is still tops on Supes...He gets stronger with rage. He is Superstrong and can Jump high. That is it. No laser beams or freeze breathe, or masonry skills. SUper strength. But that is all the Hulk needs. He will pick up two Katrillion ton broken fragments of the planet Krypton and Smash Supermans lame-o butt into supergravy.
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Silver Age Superman is unbeatable, the man time traveled to make sure Lois took her BC.
I think Superman could win if he stuck to hit and run tactics he is quicker even now then the Red Hulk.
Superman couldn't beat Doomsday in a fight, so what did he do? He sent him to the end of time with a little help from Waverider.
Superman realizes there is more to a fight than physical strength.
Which is probably why my doppelganger up there picked Rulk, who is smart.
Green Hulk has already fought Superman, twice, and lost both times.
BTW who is the OP? 'Cuz I know I am me....
Or at least the Green Hulk is...as the Minds of Bruce Banner and Hulk were melded into one Green Hulk body before he joined Pantheon....
I suggest reading:
http://www.goantiques.com/scripts/images,id,430174.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity_Gauntlet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Warlock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_vs._Marvel
In comics, Superman Beats Hulk
In my opinion...that would never happen. Hulk gets more power the more you beat on him.
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Anyway, both characters have similar strenght/endurance, the only real difference that matters being that Superman has one gaping weakness. And since the Red Hulk is not a mindless berserker like his green counterpart, he'll be smart enough to find some K rocks before engaging Superman.
Isn't the Silver Surfer created from a small fraction of Galactus's power? How can SS be stronger than the planet eater?
Well I haven't read comics since High School but I do recall this being...not true at all?
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Molecule Man (Even though he placed self-imposed mental blocks)
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And a few others already mentioned by others. The 'Power Cosmic' is pretty heady stuff in Marvel universe.
The ability to essentially change reality would put a bit of a crimp on the Boy Scout's style no matter how ridiculous he got, powers-wise.
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I didn't know Red Hulk was smart.
To DC readers: Is Cyborg / Hank Henshaw still a badass villain? He was awesome during the Return of Superman / Trial of Superman / Superman vs Doomsday sagas.
Galactus in a way is more powerful...however...in practice he is not. Galactus hasa NEED to eat planets. Silver Surfer was created by Galatus powerful enough to turn on Galactus and stop G from eating the earth.
Does the fact that surfer was powerful enough to "drive away" G, make him more powerful than G, maybe not...but it does mean that G is unwilling to unleash his power entirely. Surfer clearly has no problem going ape nutz on evildoers.
Again...we don't need the Red Hulk. The Green Hulk is smart.
Doctor Bruce Banners Mind, and the Green Hulk...have fused together, this happened before Green Hulk joined Pantheon, who is called Bruce, not the Hulk, by his friends....
but, in context of the OP....
Rulk would beat Superman...not in the comics of course....as Marvel could easily bounce back from the defeat of Hulk...but DC would lose alot if they even dreamed of allowing Superman to get owned. This is why they brought him back from the dead....which was lame.
On a side note: Rulk wins because Rulk, and Hulk, would be willing to KILL.
Superman doesn't kill anyone...even Lex, a normal human easily ripped in half...Superman has some stupid line he won't cross, self-righteousness.
I have seen Surfer, Green Hulk, X-Men, and many more in Marvel actually ending peoples lives. This gives Rulk a HUGE advantage...Superman would not cross the kill line...so as long as Rulk lives...he will eventually be willing to Kill Superman.
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Yeah, these lists are wrong.
God is not a DC character with stats, since He never DOES anything himself.. Lucifer Morningstar is however.
No way is Darkseid ahead of Superman. As much as I hate it every time Superman does it, he bets the hell out of Darkseid in hand-to-hand every time.
Silver Surf should not even be on that list, let alone AHEAD of Galactus. Silver Surf is powerful, sure, but he is just a herald of Galactus. They are a dime a dozen and even spiderman bet one up. Unless it was a joke, putting a HERALD of Galactus ahead of him?
Green Hulk went to a standstill with Sentry, and Sentry is just as powerful as Superman. Rulk is more powerful then Green Hulk, so Rulk wins. QED.
Oh, and Thanos would get eaten by Galactus, easy. Galactus is one of the MAJOR powers in marvel, and has the power of a dead universe in him (just read the description and count how many times 'omnipotent' is used). Thanos is just a mutant eternal from Titan, more cunning than anything else. Without a Cube or Gem, he would be no match for the nearly omnipotent "Devourer of Planets". (which is always very clear when you see them together)
He just goes back in time and stops the red hulk from ever exsisting.
"Hey mister my cats stuck in the tree"
Superman: "Hmm, Ill go back in time and stop the cat from going up the tree!"
"But mister you could just fly up and get him"
Superman "No, no its hardly necessary to go through all that. Im off to alter the timeline"
That is what silver age superman did.
If Superman needs to dispose of someone or something permanently, he tosses them into the Phantom Zone. He's moral, not an idiot (well, depending on the writer).
Also, willingness to kill != ability to kill. Superman's weaknesses are as follows:
And ultimately, it all comes down to one thing: Superman is the biggest hero in his universe, whereas the Red Hulk is a moderately prominent villain in his. The Law of Narrative Causality makes Superman's victory inevitable.
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This. Such a conflict could never be resolved in-universe; it requires a metafictional solution. I mean, that Marvel vs. DC thing had Wolverine beating Lobo (who can hold his own against Superman) because Wolverine has the "popularity power."
Then again, it could get a little silly, since Silver-Age Batman could beat Red Hulk using some anti-Red-Hulk spray that he just so happened to have prepared the day before.
Very Well Then I Contradict Myself.
Epoch and Living Tribunal never DO anything either...but clearly they are more powerful than Superman if they can alter time and space.
I hate that you are right. Superman does always win...but its because it is comic suicide to the Superman franchise if they actually let Superman meet his match.
Darkseid has beaten Superman many times...with just power blasts from his eyes. Yet something, or someone, or some intergalactic U.N. peacekeeper jumps in at the last minute and tells Darkseid to stop or there would be all out intergalactic war.
But yes...I even said that Superman always seems to beat Darkseid...but if the writers were not scared of disenfranchisement of their main character...they would let Superman get killed by those few characters capable of killing him.
Like the Doomsday thing. Sadly...DC lost money, so they brought him back to life...and the way they did it was super duper lame.
I agree that SS is not as powerful as G. But SS DID stop G from eating the earth...so thats not too bad.
The reason SS is higher on the list...is because G really doesn't do anything...at least Silver Surfer flys around and kicks ass.
I totally agree.
You missed the part where I am specifically talking about Thanos with the Reality Gem. Thanos IS pretty powerful himself. BUT, he was given the Reality Gem to watch over. Even Adam Warlock got ripped apart and put back together by crazy reality when he went to go see Thanos.
Thanos + Reality Gem = Galactus or Superman to be honest.
At this point in time...Galactus could NOT eat Thanos...Thanos could easily alter reality with the Gem to make Galactus microscopic.
Galactus IS friggin powerful though. Don't get me wrong.
In that respect...I believe that it wouldn't mater WHO won, Rulk or Superman....because whoever DID win that fight....could be, and I think WOULD BE destroyed by any of (Galactus, Surfer, Spectre, Black Adam, Living Tribunal, Eternity)
I have to agree about popularity winning instead of power.
Superman wins every fight BECAUSE he is so popular...which also is a reason why the writers keep making up new more ridiculous powers for Superman to use. Like the Masonry Eyes from Quest for Peace.
On popularity alone...Rulk would use some Kryptonite on Superman...but Superman writers would just write in some kind of time warp silver age junk where he goes back in time and hides the Kryptonite from Rulk. This is why Superman is lame. No consistency.
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are we bound to prosperity and ruin.”
― Mary Shelley, Frankenstein
Same's true of any other major superhero. If you don't like it that a guy with a keen mind and godlike powers can find a way to overcome any threat, how much more ridiculous is it that a guy with a keen mind but no powers at all can do the same? Because I guarantee you that if the Red Hulk found his way into Gotham City, Batman would eventually take him down.
The whole affair was super duper lame, but you really think there was a snowball's chance in Hell they ever intended for him to stay dead? It was always a just a publicity stunt.
They've pretty much stopped doing that. Heck, even All-Star Superman, which is in part a pastiche of the Silver Age, and furthermore has a good in-universe excuse to give him new powers, largely sticks to the classics.
Besides, no one acknowledges Quest for Peace as a real Superman movie anyway.
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Not all. Doomsday did not use any of those to kill him, for example.
In your list, you list red sunlight as a weakness, but do you know WHY red sunlight de-powers superman? It replaces the yellow sunlight in his cells, effectively draining them of yellow sunlight.
Which is the REAL weakness of superman, draining him of yellow sunlight.
Rulk has energy draining powers, the kind of energy he can drain the easiest? Gamma radiation.
And was is Gamma radiation? High powered LIGHT....
No, they do stuff, just not often.
The only thing God has ever done in DC was have tea with Lucifer. (well, and Lilith tried to punch Him in the face and ended up breaking her hand :rofl:)
Outside the visible spectrum, in fact, which means by definition it's not yellow.
Besides, I'm sure you've noticed that when Superman faces the Parasite, he tends to win. Same goes for Metallo, and that guy can blast him with green kryptonite radiation. So it's not like the Man of Steel can't handle opponents that require special tactics or defensive measures.
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If gamma rays are easy for him to absorb, he should have no trouble with visible light. Also, gamma rays are not the ONLY kind of energy, just the easiest.
Yeah, but Rulk is like Parasite+Doomsday. Extra Super Strong + energy absorption.
And I forgot that God also got shot and killed in DC....
Saint of Killers, if you count that as DC....