I'm assuming you want this to extend to parents who take pictures of their kids playing naked, then show those to other family members and friends? After all, they are distributing naked pictures of a child, which by the line of argument you're using has to count as child pornography.
That's actually a tricky line to draw. Child pornographers have indeed taken naked pictures of their kids and distributed them to their 'friends'. How do you distinguish that from the more innocent scenario you presented?
That's actually a tricky line to draw. Child pornographers have indeed taken naked pictures of their kids and distributed them to their 'friends'. How do you distinguish that from the more innocent scenario you presented?
I agree that this may be a difficult line to draw, but in this country, we err on the side of the accused, not the accuser. It is always better for a guilty man to go free than for an innocent man to be wrongly imprisoned.
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Wow. This post is so wrong, I don't know where to begin.
If you're distributing child pornography, you get arrested. GG. It doesn't matter how old you are, as long as you can tell right from wrong. Shes a child pornographer, so, how could the charges not fit?
Hmm way to ignore what I said. I said that the photos are not pornography. They are obscene, and she broke the law by distributing obscene material.
And on top of that, she was not distribution child pornography because child pornography must have adult coercion involved, not just a teen girl taking pictures for other teens.
Case and point: If she gave the picture to an adult male, then that male would be in touble for child pornography, and she would be the victim. They are saying that she is an adult that distributed porn to children, and that since she's an adult she produced child pornography by taking pictures of a minor. If you cannot see how idiotic that is, I feel a little bad for you.
Did you even read the article or did you just go TL;DR? She distributed the photos. It doens't matter if they want them or not. If this were true, a 34 year old could just say, "oh its okay, I wanted the pictures of that 15 year old"
Did you read my post? I said she broke the law by distributing the photo. And if she gave to a 34 year old, do you think that she would be in trouble? You have no clue how child endangerment and child pornography charges work. He would get in trouble, and she would be a victim of emotional abuse, so your logic is flawed in every possible way.
A child can distribute 'necked' pics of him/her to other minors and it's still Child Pornography. So um, yeah this: Wrong.
No, it's not. I explained why.
Oh, yeah, you can be charged as an adult when your fifteen. Read a book.
I never challenged that. I simply was stating how rediculous it is to charge her as an adult just to fit the case to a crime. It's complete crap, and it's obvious that this is political pandering for the election season. "We're hard on child porn!!!! GRRRRR!!!!!" Please, I know what I'm saying, and you provided no information other than saying "she's a pediphile, get her!!!!"
I fail to see the "trickiness/horribleness" of this case. Really, I do. I don't fail to see ignorance though, which is absolutely BEAMING here. How can you have no grasp on the legal system? Really? Because, last I heard, it was illegal to distribute pornographic images/videos of minors. Especially to other minors. And last I read, that's exactly what she did. How can you possibly justify it? There's a crime here, and she needs prosecution.
I fail to see the "trickiness/horribleness" of this case. Really, I do. I don't fail to see ignorance though, which is absolutely BEAMING here. How can you have no grasp on the legal system? Really? Because, last I heard, it was illegal to distribute pornographic images/videos of minors. Especially to other minors. And last I read, that's exactly what she did. How can you possibly justify it? There's a crime here, and she needs prosecution.
^ What?
It's a victimless crime. I'm not saying what she did wasn't foolish by most standards. But the law was CLEARLY not intended for circumstances such as these, and thus leniency is called for.
Besides, she's a 15 year old girl, not a hardened criminal, and not someone who intended to run afoul of the law in such a serious way. She's also a foster child (tough to blame the parents there). Why should she rot for something that hurt no-one but herself? Are we really so cruel and totalitarian that our laws are absolute and inflexible, especially when dealing with a young girl who has no prior offenses? Probation at worst, I say.
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I find the largest amount of hypocrisy about what is said here, is the fact that if she took her clothes off in a room full of the same minors she gave the pictures to there would be no problem.
While the poster that said that this situation probably isn't a good comparison is right, just strip this example down to one-on-one nudity.
Using the logic that I find incredibly ridiculous that this girl is a "child pornographer", she'd be a "child pornographer" even if she simply sent this image to ONE other guy, her boyfriend (the same age as her) for sake of conversation, right? Now, what if she didn't take pictures of herself, and just got naked with her boyfriend. Did she commit a crime there?
I have a photoalbum and in it are some pictures of me being naked when I was 7 or so, and I've shown this photoalbum to my girlfriend. Should I now be locked up ?
Yes, according to these completely ridiculous notions, you are a child pornographer. My ex-girlfriend and myself are, too, because, as 17 year olds, I received images of her.
Because, last I heard, it was illegal to distribute pornographic images/videos of minors. Especially to other minors.
Wait...WHAT? It's illegal to distribute pornographic material of minors, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE A MINOR DISTRIBUTING IT TO OTHER MINORS? That's flat-out nuts. It's illegal to distribute pornographic material of minors, especially if you're an adult, and especially if you're distributing it to adults. Use some common sense, PLEASE. How is a 15 year old sending a naked picture of herself to another 15 year old worse than a 35 year old sending a naked picture of a 15 year old to another 35 year old?
God damn, I've never seen such incredibly backwards logic on this forum before. Apparently, child pornography laws aren't in place to protect children from exploitation by adults. Apparently, child pornography laws are in place to protect teenagers from seeing other teenagers naked!
Besides, she's a 15 year old girl, not a hardened criminal, and not someone who intended to run afoul of the law in such a serious way.
According to all this crazy logic some people are spewing, she's a terrible, despicable human being that's going to go on to be a child molesting, raping, killer. And so are whatever boys her age like to see girls their age naked. And they should all be locked away forever, or even killed.
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Besides, she's a 15 year old girl, not a hardened criminal, and not someone who intended to run afoul of the law in such a serious way. She's also a foster child (tough to blame the parents there). Why should she rot for something that hurt no-one but herself? Are we really so cruel and totalitarian that our laws are absolute and inflexible, especially when dealing with a young girl who has no prior offenses? Probation at worst, I say.
So because she didn't intend to commit a crime she should be absolved? People do things they don't know are crimes all the time. Their ignorance doesn't erase their responsibily for their actions. I've said more than once that I don't think the girl deserves to go to jail for an extended amount of time. I'd sentence her to several weekends in juvie and counseling and the record would be expunged when she was 18.
Sheesh, next thing you know people under the age of 18 won't be able to use public changerooms because they're corrupting one another.
Where I live people under 18 aren't allowed in malls and most department stores by themselves except on weekends unless they work there. Anyway, don't all dressing rooms have doors and stalls? If we're talking about lockerrooms I dunno. When I was in high school girls went at great lengths not to see each other nude. They'd rather stand in line to dress in a bathroom stall than dress in front of another girl. One group of girls I knew would make a human wall, backs turned away of course, so that one or more could change without being seen by the rest.
Where I live people under 18 aren't allowed in malls and most department stores by themselves except on weekends unless they work there. Anyway, don't all dressing rooms have doors and stalls? If we're talking about lockerrooms I dunno. When I was in high school girls went at great lengths not to see each other nude. They'd rather stand in line to dress in a bathroom stall than dress in front of another girl. One group of girls I knew would make a human wall, backs turned away of course, so that one or more could change without being seen by the rest.
My highschool was in a rich area, and still had a group lockerroom and a group shower. The only stalls were for toilettes.
My highschool was in a rich area, and still had a group lockerroom and a group shower. The only stalls were for toilettes.
It was the same at my high school. The girls would line up to use the lone bathroom stall to change. I never cared about other girls seeing me partially nude because they were other girls after all. *shrug* I'm guessing most of the people here are guys and don't(or can't) understand the intricacies of the female psyche. This incident surprised me alot given the intensely self-conscious nature of teenaged girls.
It was the same at my high school. The girls would line up to use the lone bathroom stall to change. I never cared about other girls seeing me partially nude because they were other girls after all. *shrug* I'm guessing most of the people here are guys and don't(or can't) understand the intricacies of the female psyche. This incident surprised me alot given the intensely self-conscious nature of teenaged girls.
My friends that where girls *claimed* not to use the bathroom stalls. I'm sure some girls did, but I think the common opinion was just to change quickly in the main area like most people.
That being said, they complained as much as guys do about the girl (or guy) that would stay naked for extended periods of time. I guess it's all just a matter of popular opinion.
Wait...WHAT? It's illegal to distribute pornographic material of minors, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE A MINOR DISTRIBUTING IT TO OTHER MINORS? That's flat-out nuts. It's illegal to distribute pornographic material of minors, especially if you're an adult, and especially if you're distributing it to adults. Use some common sense, PLEASE. How is a 15 year old sending a naked picture of herself to another 15 year old worse than a 35 year old sending a naked picture of a 15 year old to another 35 year old?
God damn, I've never seen such incredibly backwards logic on this forum before. Apparently, child pornography laws aren't in place to protect children from exploitation by adults. Apparently, child pornography laws are in place to protect teenagers from seeing other teenagers naked!
Uh, did you even read my post? I said, especially if your distributing it to minors. I guess my post was tl;dr for you? Yes. Yes, it IS ILLEGAL to send naked pictures of yourself to others. It's called, oh, I don't know, child pornography? Or, oh, say, sexual harassment? Did you even bother to read my post? Nowhere in there did I say that this was worse than a 35 year old sending naked pictures of minors to other adults. Please read before you make such an asinine post such as yours.
child pornography laws are in place to protect teenagers from seeing other teenagers naked!
Yes, actually, that is why it's there. It protects that as well as a 35 year old dude sending "pix" of chilluns to others. I can't go sending naked pictures of my self in an erotic fashion to other people, it's uhm, illegal. Obviously, or this girl wouldn't have been arrested.
Uh, did you even read my post? I said, especially if your distributing it to minors I guess my post was tl;dr for you?
Yes, I read your post, which says:
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Because, last I heard, it was illegal to distribute pornographic images/videos of minors. Especially to other minors.
Maybe you accidentally wrote the "other" in there, but as you originally posted it, it means something entirely different than what you're now claiming it means.
Yes. Yes, it IS ILLEGAL to send naked pictures of yourself to others. It's called, oh, I don't know, child pornography? Or, oh, say, sexual harassment?
It's not sexual harassment if the people receiving the pictures wanted to receive them.
Yes, actually, that is why it's there. It protects that as well as a 35 year old dude sending "pix" of chilluns to others. I can't go sending naked pictures of my self in an erotic fashion to other people, it's uhm, illegal. Obviously, or this girl wouldn't have been arrested.
It's not illegal to send erotic pics of yourself to other people. It's illegal to send unwanted erotic pics of yourself to other people.
Yes, it's a different story when you're a minor, and yes, what she did was illegal. But...once again....the issue isn't whether or not what she did was a crime. It's whether or not it SHOULD be a crime, and more to the point, whether or not the punishment that's allowed under the law actually fits the crime. No matter how many times people have said that in this thread, some of you just don't seem to grasp that incredibly simple concept.
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Bizkit, it's not rape if the other person wanted it? Then why do people goto jail for having sex as minors? A 15 yo sleeping with a 15yo can technically under the law, be sent to prison (or be tried for the crime). Under most state legislation it is punishable because a minor is NOT of the age of consent.
The photos clearly had sexual undertones, I'm fairly certain a 15yo wasn't sending out tasteful artistic nudes of herself to all of her classmates. Regardless it is sexual harassment because the minors she sent the pictures to were not of the age of consent and could not make that decision for themselves under state legislation.
Bizkit, it's not rape if the other person wanted it? Then why do people goto jail for having sex as minors? A 15 yo sleeping with a 15yo can technically under the law, be sent to prison (or be tried for the crime). Under most state legislation it is punishable because a minor is NOT of the age of consent.
No they can't. I don't know of a state that has not adopted provisions in the law that says minors that are in the same age group cannot be charged with stagitory. Some take it even further than that.
The photos clearly had sexual undertones, I'm fairly certain a 15yo wasn't sending out tasteful artistic nudes of herself to all of her classmates. Regardless it is sexual harassment because the minors she sent the pictures to were not of the age of consent and could not make that decision for themselves under state legislation.
That, again, is not what sexual harrasment is. There has to be harrasment, which implied continued assaults, not just one time. Also, she is getting charged with two things: distribution lewed photos and child porn. She should be charged with the first one, be placed under Youthful Offender status, and given a year probation. Like anyone else under the same circumstance.
Bizkit, it's not rape if the other person wanted it? Then why do people goto jail for having sex as minors? A 15 yo sleeping with a 15yo can technically under the law, be sent to prison (or be tried for the crime). Under most state legislation it is punishable because a minor is NOT of the age of consent.
As Ahasver said, in most states (if not all, i haven't checked each state), no, a 15 year old cannot be punished if they have sex with another 15 year old.
Statutory rape laws are in effect because the law presumes coercion in cases where a minor under the age of consent has sex with an adult. They are not in effect to prevent minors from having sex.
No person who is eighteen years of age or older shall engage in sexual conduct with another, who is not the spouse of the offender, when the offender knows the other person is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age, or the offender is reckless in that regard.
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Frankly, if 15 year olds want to sleep with each other, I don't think it should be a crime.
And that is why teen pregnancy and abortion rates are high. Because of that mentality. Honestly teenage girls are (no offense) too dumb to use protection half the time. They get caught in the heat of the moment and fall to pressure and lack of reasoning.
That's half the reason why laws like these exists. Minors should not be having sex and distributing nude pictures of themselves. There's a time and place for that: College.
And that is why teen pregnancy and abortion rates are high. Because of that mentality. Honestly teenage girls are (no offense) too dumb to use protection half the time. They get caught in the heat of the moment and fall to pressure and lack of reasoning.
That's half the reason why laws like these exists. Minors should not be having sex and distributing nude pictures of themselves. There's a time and place for that: College.
1) Really? They are? Cite a statistic, please.
2) According to whom? I mean, seriously.
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Read up on it sanguines. Also teen pregnancy and teen sex is typically a result of povery, poor education, etc.
Please read a little, and then comment. Thank you.
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The teenage birth rate in the United States is the highest in the developed world, and the teenage abortion rate is also high.[3] The U.S. teenage pregnancy rate was at a high in the 1950s and has decreased since then, although there has been an increase in births out of wedlock.[11] The teenage pregnancy rate decreased significantly in the 1990s; this decline manifested across all racial groups, although teenagers of African-American and Hispanicdescent retain a higher rate, in comparison to that of European-Americans and Asian-Americans. The Guttmacher Institute attributed about 25% of the decline to abstinence and 75% to the effective use of contraceptives.[12][13] However, as of 2006 the teenage birth rate began to rise once again for the first time in fourteen years.[14] This could imply that teen pregnancy rates are also on the rise, however the rise could also be due to other sources: a possible decrease in the number of abortions or a decrease in the number of miscarraiges, to name a few. The Canadian teenage birth has also trended towards a steady decline for both younger (15-17) and older (18-19) teens in the period between 1992-2002.[15]
I hope that helps you understand why this problem needs to stop. Rates are on the rise again, and cracking down on girls like this will help solve the problem. I don't pay taxes out the ears to support girls who are too stupid (no offense) to wait until after high school to have sex.
ANYWAYS, back on topic. This is just one of the many schools that has this problem going on. I don't think law enforcement should step in, but I definitely think this girl should be punished severely by the school and her parents. Being openly sexual at such a young age is bad for herself and the community.
Read up on it sanguines. Also teen pregnancy and teen sex is typically a result of povery, poor education, etc.
Please read a little, and then comment. Thank you.
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The teenage birth rate in the United States is the highest in the developed world, and the teenage abortion rate is also high.[3] The U.S. teenage pregnancy rate was at a high in the 1950s and has decreased since then, although there has been an increase in births out of wedlock.[11] The teenage pregnancy rate decreased significantly in the 1990s; this decline manifested across all racial groups, although teenagers of African-American and Hispanicdescent retain a higher rate, in comparison to that of European-Americans and Asian-Americans. The Guttmacher Institute attributed about 25% of the decline to abstinence and 75% to the effective use of contraceptives.[12][13] However, as of 2006 the teenage birth rate began to rise once again for the first time in fourteen years.[14] This could imply that teen pregnancy rates are also on the rise, however the rise could also be due to other sources: a possible decrease in the number of abortions or a decrease in the number of miscarraiges, to name a few. The Canadian teenage birth has also trended towards a steady decline for both younger (15-17) and older (18-19) teens in the period between 1992-2002.[15]
I hope that helps you understand why this problem needs to stop. Rates are on the rise again, and cracking down on girls like this will help solve the problem. I don't pay taxes out the ears to support girls who are too stupid (no offense) to wait until after high school to have sex.
ANYWAYS, back on topic. This is just one of the many schools that has this problem going on. I don't think law enforcement should step in, but I definitely think this girl should be punished severely by the school and her parents. Being openly sexual at such a young age is bad for herself and the community.
I read it, but I fail to see why this is intrinsically wrong. Furthermore, the article says that the observed increase may well be a decrease in abortions and/or miscarriages. Not exactly solid facts.
We don't pay taxes out the ears here, not compared to our counterparts in Europe and other parts of the developed world. Do you really think teenage pregnancy can be trended to show an increase in taxes? I don't.
Back on topic indeed. I agree that this is going on at many schools, but I fail to see the "problem". Why should this girl suffer punishment at school - it's none of the school's business what she does in her free time. Furthermore, how is it "bad for herself and the community" to be openly sexual? Remember that whole life, liberty, and the pursuit thing? She's not hurting anyone, except potentially herself, but that's her prerogative.
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It IS the school's business because she did it AT SCHOOL. Not only is it going to cause an outcry from parents, but it's disrupting the flow of normal school activity. Many people have said it before, and I agree. If it was outside of school then I'd say it wouldn't be as severe. However school is there to learn, not to be a well you know...
I hope that helps you understand why this problem needs to stop. Rates are on the rise again, and cracking down on girls like this will help solve the problem. I don't pay taxes out the ears to support girls who are too stupid (no offense) to wait until after high school to have sex.
I don't believe that the law should be used every time there's a problem.
I fail to see why having sex before you're out of high school is inherently "stupid". It's just...natural. The sexual part of humans develops rapidly in the teenage years, thus teenagers are going to want to have sex (and are going to). Making it illegal just results in punishing people for following their natural instincts. It's only stupid if you're stupid about it, and that carries consequences that don't require the law to enforce.
This should be an issue of education, not law. If a girl (or a guy, which I find it odd that you're not mentioning) decides to be stupid about sex, they'll suffer the consequences that come along with it. Rather than prohibiting freedom, we should do more to educate teenagers about the precautions that are necessary to make sure sex is safe, the possible consequences of sex, etc.
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It IS the school's business because she did it AT SCHOOL. Not only is it going to cause an outcry from parents, but it's disrupting the flow of normal school activity. Many people have said it before, and I agree. If it was outside of school then I'd say it wouldn't be as severe. However school is there to learn, not to be a well you know...
This, I basically agree with. She should be definitely be punished by the school, IF this caused a disruption (and if I was her parent, I'd probably punish her myself regardless). But, again, I don't think that the government should step in.
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The being openly sexual thing isn't even always correct. Many people have been openly sexual at a very young age without negative consequences whatsoever. At the same time, many have been openly sexual only at a later age and suffered tremendously from it.
Thats very true. I started young as well, but I kept it private and didn't throw it all over the school like this girl did. It wasn't that she involved herself, she involved the school.
I think she needs to understand the bounds a community has, and she crossed those bounds.
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That's actually a tricky line to draw. Child pornographers have indeed taken naked pictures of their kids and distributed them to their 'friends'. How do you distinguish that from the more innocent scenario you presented?
I agree that this may be a difficult line to draw, but in this country, we err on the side of the accused, not the accuser. It is always better for a guilty man to go free than for an innocent man to be wrongly imprisoned.
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Hmm way to ignore what I said. I said that the photos are not pornography. They are obscene, and she broke the law by distributing obscene material.
And on top of that, she was not distribution child pornography because child pornography must have adult coercion involved, not just a teen girl taking pictures for other teens.
Case and point: If she gave the picture to an adult male, then that male would be in touble for child pornography, and she would be the victim. They are saying that she is an adult that distributed porn to children, and that since she's an adult she produced child pornography by taking pictures of a minor. If you cannot see how idiotic that is, I feel a little bad for you.
Did you read my post? I said she broke the law by distributing the photo. And if she gave to a 34 year old, do you think that she would be in trouble? You have no clue how child endangerment and child pornography charges work. He would get in trouble, and she would be a victim of emotional abuse, so your logic is flawed in every possible way.
No, it's not. I explained why.
I never challenged that. I simply was stating how rediculous it is to charge her as an adult just to fit the case to a crime. It's complete crap, and it's obvious that this is political pandering for the election season. "We're hard on child porn!!!! GRRRRR!!!!!" Please, I know what I'm saying, and you provided no information other than saying "she's a pediphile, get her!!!!"
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^ What?
It's a victimless crime. I'm not saying what she did wasn't foolish by most standards. But the law was CLEARLY not intended for circumstances such as these, and thus leniency is called for.
Besides, she's a 15 year old girl, not a hardened criminal, and not someone who intended to run afoul of the law in such a serious way. She's also a foster child (tough to blame the parents there). Why should she rot for something that hurt no-one but herself? Are we really so cruel and totalitarian that our laws are absolute and inflexible, especially when dealing with a young girl who has no prior offenses? Probation at worst, I say.
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While the poster that said that this situation probably isn't a good comparison is right, just strip this example down to one-on-one nudity.
Using the logic that I find incredibly ridiculous that this girl is a "child pornographer", she'd be a "child pornographer" even if she simply sent this image to ONE other guy, her boyfriend (the same age as her) for sake of conversation, right? Now, what if she didn't take pictures of herself, and just got naked with her boyfriend. Did she commit a crime there?
Yes, according to these completely ridiculous notions, you are a child pornographer. My ex-girlfriend and myself are, too, because, as 17 year olds, I received images of her.
Wait...WHAT? It's illegal to distribute pornographic material of minors, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE A MINOR DISTRIBUTING IT TO OTHER MINORS? That's flat-out nuts. It's illegal to distribute pornographic material of minors, especially if you're an adult, and especially if you're distributing it to adults. Use some common sense, PLEASE. How is a 15 year old sending a naked picture of herself to another 15 year old worse than a 35 year old sending a naked picture of a 15 year old to another 35 year old?
God damn, I've never seen such incredibly backwards logic on this forum before. Apparently, child pornography laws aren't in place to protect children from exploitation by adults. Apparently, child pornography laws are in place to protect teenagers from seeing other teenagers naked!
According to all this crazy logic some people are spewing, she's a terrible, despicable human being that's going to go on to be a child molesting, raping, killer. And so are whatever boys her age like to see girls their age naked. And they should all be locked away forever, or even killed.
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So because she didn't intend to commit a crime she should be absolved? People do things they don't know are crimes all the time. Their ignorance doesn't erase their responsibily for their actions. I've said more than once that I don't think the girl deserves to go to jail for an extended amount of time. I'd sentence her to several weekends in juvie and counseling and the record would be expunged when she was 18.
Where I live people under 18 aren't allowed in malls and most department stores by themselves except on weekends unless they work there. Anyway, don't all dressing rooms have doors and stalls? If we're talking about lockerrooms I dunno. When I was in high school girls went at great lengths not to see each other nude. They'd rather stand in line to dress in a bathroom stall than dress in front of another girl. One group of girls I knew would make a human wall, backs turned away of course, so that one or more could change without being seen by the rest.
My highschool was in a rich area, and still had a group lockerroom and a group shower. The only stalls were for toilettes.
It was the same at my high school. The girls would line up to use the lone bathroom stall to change. I never cared about other girls seeing me partially nude because they were other girls after all. *shrug* I'm guessing most of the people here are guys and don't(or can't) understand the intricacies of the female psyche. This incident surprised me alot given the intensely self-conscious nature of teenaged girls.
My friends that where girls *claimed* not to use the bathroom stalls. I'm sure some girls did, but I think the common opinion was just to change quickly in the main area like most people.
That being said, they complained as much as guys do about the girl (or guy) that would stay naked for extended periods of time. I guess it's all just a matter of popular opinion.
Uh, did you even read my post? I said, especially if your distributing it to minors. I guess my post was tl;dr for you? Yes. Yes, it IS ILLEGAL to send naked pictures of yourself to others. It's called, oh, I don't know, child pornography? Or, oh, say, sexual harassment? Did you even bother to read my post? Nowhere in there did I say that this was worse than a 35 year old sending naked pictures of minors to other adults. Please read before you make such an asinine post such as yours.
Yes, actually, that is why it's there. It protects that as well as a 35 year old dude sending "pix" of chilluns to others. I can't go sending naked pictures of my self in an erotic fashion to other people, it's uhm, illegal. Obviously, or this girl wouldn't have been arrested.
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Yes, I read your post, which says:
Maybe you accidentally wrote the "other" in there, but as you originally posted it, it means something entirely different than what you're now claiming it means.
It's not sexual harassment if the people receiving the pictures wanted to receive them.
It's not illegal to send erotic pics of yourself to other people. It's illegal to send unwanted erotic pics of yourself to other people.
Yes, it's a different story when you're a minor, and yes, what she did was illegal. But...once again....the issue isn't whether or not what she did was a crime. It's whether or not it SHOULD be a crime, and more to the point, whether or not the punishment that's allowed under the law actually fits the crime. No matter how many times people have said that in this thread, some of you just don't seem to grasp that incredibly simple concept.
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The photos clearly had sexual undertones, I'm fairly certain a 15yo wasn't sending out tasteful artistic nudes of herself to all of her classmates. Regardless it is sexual harassment because the minors she sent the pictures to were not of the age of consent and could not make that decision for themselves under state legislation.
No they can't. I don't know of a state that has not adopted provisions in the law that says minors that are in the same age group cannot be charged with stagitory. Some take it even further than that.
That, again, is not what sexual harrasment is. There has to be harrasment, which implied continued assaults, not just one time. Also, she is getting charged with two things: distribution lewed photos and child porn. She should be charged with the first one, be placed under Youthful Offender status, and given a year probation. Like anyone else under the same circumstance.
As Ahasver said, in most states (if not all, i haven't checked each state), no, a 15 year old cannot be punished if they have sex with another 15 year old.
Statutory rape laws are in effect because the law presumes coercion in cases where a minor under the age of consent has sex with an adult. They are not in effect to prevent minors from having sex.
At any rate, the case in question in this thread took place in Ohio. The age of consent in Ohio is 16. However, only adults can be charged with unlawful sexual conduct with a minor:
Emphasis mine.
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And that is why teen pregnancy and abortion rates are high. Because of that mentality. Honestly teenage girls are (no offense) too dumb to use protection half the time. They get caught in the heat of the moment and fall to pressure and lack of reasoning.
That's half the reason why laws like these exists. Minors should not be having sex and distributing nude pictures of themselves. There's a time and place for that: College.
1) Really? They are? Cite a statistic, please.
2) According to whom? I mean, seriously.
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Read up on it sanguines. Also teen pregnancy and teen sex is typically a result of povery, poor education, etc.
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The teenage birth rate in the United States is the highest in the developed world, and the teenage abortion rate is also high.[3] The U.S. teenage pregnancy rate was at a high in the 1950s and has decreased since then, although there has been an increase in births out of wedlock.[11] The teenage pregnancy rate decreased significantly in the 1990s; this decline manifested across all racial groups, although teenagers of African-American and Hispanic descent retain a higher rate, in comparison to that of European-Americans and Asian-Americans. The Guttmacher Institute attributed about 25% of the decline to abstinence and 75% to the effective use of contraceptives.[12] [13] However, as of 2006 the teenage birth rate began to rise once again for the first time in fourteen years.[14] This could imply that teen pregnancy rates are also on the rise, however the rise could also be due to other sources: a possible decrease in the number of abortions or a decrease in the number of miscarraiges, to name a few. The Canadian teenage birth has also trended towards a steady decline for both younger (15-17) and older (18-19) teens in the period between 1992-2002.[15]
I hope that helps you understand why this problem needs to stop. Rates are on the rise again, and cracking down on girls like this will help solve the problem. I don't pay taxes out the ears to support girls who are too stupid (no offense) to wait until after high school to have sex.
ANYWAYS, back on topic. This is just one of the many schools that has this problem going on. I don't think law enforcement should step in, but I definitely think this girl should be punished severely by the school and her parents. Being openly sexual at such a young age is bad for herself and the community.
I read it, but I fail to see why this is intrinsically wrong. Furthermore, the article says that the observed increase may well be a decrease in abortions and/or miscarriages. Not exactly solid facts.
We don't pay taxes out the ears here, not compared to our counterparts in Europe and other parts of the developed world. Do you really think teenage pregnancy can be trended to show an increase in taxes? I don't.
Back on topic indeed. I agree that this is going on at many schools, but I fail to see the "problem". Why should this girl suffer punishment at school - it's none of the school's business what she does in her free time. Furthermore, how is it "bad for herself and the community" to be openly sexual? Remember that whole life, liberty, and the pursuit thing? She's not hurting anyone, except potentially herself, but that's her prerogative.
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I don't believe that the law should be used every time there's a problem.
I fail to see why having sex before you're out of high school is inherently "stupid". It's just...natural. The sexual part of humans develops rapidly in the teenage years, thus teenagers are going to want to have sex (and are going to). Making it illegal just results in punishing people for following their natural instincts. It's only stupid if you're stupid about it, and that carries consequences that don't require the law to enforce.
This should be an issue of education, not law. If a girl (or a guy, which I find it odd that you're not mentioning) decides to be stupid about sex, they'll suffer the consequences that come along with it. Rather than prohibiting freedom, we should do more to educate teenagers about the precautions that are necessary to make sure sex is safe, the possible consequences of sex, etc.
This, I basically agree with. She should be definitely be punished by the school, IF this caused a disruption (and if I was her parent, I'd probably punish her myself regardless). But, again, I don't think that the government should step in.
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Thats very true. I started young as well, but I kept it private and didn't throw it all over the school like this girl did. It wasn't that she involved herself, she involved the school.
I think she needs to understand the bounds a community has, and she crossed those bounds.