Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
im not apologizing for nothing, im choosing to not play the game right
we have 4 more days, and not being forced into majority does allow for more leeway
maybe after work ill decide if I want to look through more iso
im not apologizing for nothing, im choosing to not play the game right
we have 4 more days, and not being forced into majority does allow for more leeway
maybe after work ill decide if I want to look through more iso
right now*, not right lol
that sounds weird
worst case we have 4 days, if we mis yeet here
we have 2 days of night, and about 7 more days, to at least find and hit one wolf in lylo
Dota comes back to write that one post, after writing an unfinished wall post, saying he is going to continue catching up
and he doesn't even attempt to answer my questions, only killjoys
also I will answer his question to Killjoy cause I'm not waiting
Nowhere in Dota's iso does he call GJ a town lean, which Killjoy missing that probably means he swapped GJ with Axel's name in his question, because that progression makes more sense with Killjoy's question
Despite my dislike of how some players on this site play, which I know has a lot to do with real life. I think axel is using his time exceptionally well, and he is by far the most natural player in this game. I'd place him even above Proph honestly
@Wisp - when would you be free to do some real time? Plan on sinking a couple of hours later tonight doing some hard rereading/analysis and seeing where it goes.
Because from my perspective, I think the game is ostensibly "easy". "Easy" never really is a thing in mafia except in rare cases (hence why I continue to find this game so compelling) but the way forward feels transparent to me.
I know I'm town.
I think Last and Axel are town. If anyone else does not believe so, please case them. I'm not touching these two until f3 most likely (if I'm still alive).
I think there are two scum within (Grapefruit/Cantrip/KJ/DoTA). If I find TWO townies from this group, then the game is solved. Even one townie means that I have a 66% chance of lunching scum.
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Hi all, I know time is short and I'm going to do my best to contribute at pace. But right now I'm watching England play a major final for the first time in 55 years, so I'll be at this game tomorrow.
Let's shoot for Monday then. Will be posting tonight but not entirely sure if our schedules will align
Also agree with you re: Axel. Think he's playing a splendid game so far
Please do not tell me what a splendid game I am playing when all I would appear to have thusfar accomplished is one Mis-yeet and no Mafia lunches.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
talk to me about it, and if you think I'm a wolf, then vote for me
I've cooled on my suspicion on you somewhat but you're still in my wider poe. really want to hear the mental gymnastics you have to come up with to arrive in a world where I'm a wolf
Coming back to thinking it's just you. As for a partner one of Eco or Dota is the most likely.
still possible, but you know what we can do instead of accidently voting off a decent town player, we work together to figure out who is town, so we have a better PoE, and vote the possible partner of Proph.
talk to me about it, and if you think I'm a wolf, then vote for me
I've cooled on my suspicion on you somewhat but you're still in my wider poe. really want to hear the mental gymnastics you have to come up with to arrive in a world where I'm a wolf
I am curious how much of this friendly undertone is in your town games compared to your wolf games, and if I am just being completely incorrect in still thinking you can be a wolf here, and if you are a wolf, DV is probably in dead chat calling me garbage
I would ******* love for everyone to finish my game, so I can see the results
I'm not a wolf and I think you're massively overthinking me
there's no way I step up to bat for GJ like how I did this game if I'm a wolf, there's no way I'm this active as a wolf, no way I approach eod/argue with DV the way I did if I'm a wolf, etc
I'm adopting this tone because I'm phoneposting as opposed to composing my posts on a computer
I'm not a wolf and I think you're massively overthinking me
there's no way I step up to bat for GJ like how I did this game if I'm a wolf, there's no way I'm this active as a wolf, no way I approach eod/argue with DV the way I did if I'm a wolf, etc
I'm adopting this tone because I'm phoneposting as opposed to composing my posts on a computer
yes I would argue as well that your interactions with DV at EoD day 1 would be quite hard for you to replicate if you were a wolf
like I have multiple wolf games on this site that people can crosscheck my meta against if people are worried I'm snowing them
my last big game I finished was another wolf game where I think I played well, but I was actually in under zero suspicion the entire game - it's easy to wolf on a site where no one knows your meta and you are halfway competent
I obviously did not get back to this today, and now I've got to sleep. I'll finish the GF stuff tomorrow. I do not know about Proph and/or Last stuff yet. It makes me exhausted even thinking about looking at all that.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I obviously did not get back to this today, and now I've got to sleep. I'll finish the GF stuff tomorrow. I do not know about Proph and/or Last stuff yet. It makes me exhausted even thinking about looking at all that.
Spoilers: We're both town.
Slot us in as both town, and then solve the game from that viewpoint. There, saved you 4-6 hours and the effort of reading half the game's posts.
I'm not a wolf and I think you're massively overthinking me
there's no way I step up to bat for GJ like how I did this game if I'm a wolf, there's no way I'm this active as a wolf, no way I approach eod/argue with DV the way I did if I'm a wolf, etc
I'm adopting this tone because I'm phoneposting as opposed to composing my posts on a computer
The GJ was a sunk cost for you because of the Osie defense from early. Was a freeroll especially since your pivot target was me. Odds were against you stopping the wagon or permanently saving GJ if he did survive were next to nil. You lose nothing by defending him there and gain this line of defense. The only way it hurts you is if GJ survives and clears himself to the point where you have to NK him which was exceedingly unlikely.
The activity argument isn't as much of a slam dunk for you as it used to be but it's definitely a point in your favor. As is the EoD exchange with DV. Which is why I haven't vote you yet. I can make an active case on you but have doubts. With Eco, KJ, and Dota I can't really make a proactive case so I'm just kind of waiting for them to do something or to vote one at near random.
@Grape: Not sure why you're saying that I "lose nothing from defending him" when I was heavily scumread by multiple people (DV, Axel, you) because I was defending him so hard. Yes, odds were against me that I would have stopped the wagon or led a CFD, but I tried my best to get people off on GJ and onto possible scum (you, KJ, DoTA). I was just sure it was you at EoD1 because I felt that you were pushing me in exceedingly bad faith. Now, I'm not so sure.
Okay Shoushiling does match Wisp's behavior here for Proph's change of heart. Not seeing how Throne room is relevant here though to your meta review, can you go into what you gleaned from that one?
What did you get out of this line of inquiry, Grape?
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Cantrip seems at first glance to not be putting as much thought into his reads as I'm used to. 151 is obviously fairly shallow. Particularly his scumlean of DV. He says he hates reading DV, which I interpret as he thought a lot/everything DV was doing was scummy... but there's no specifics.
What baseline are you getting with regards to how detailed Cantrip usually gets into with his reads? It's kinda weird to me that you and Axel both come to opposite conclusions regarding the thoroughness of Cantrip's first post, with you calling it "obviously fairly shallow" but Axel calling it "reasonably comprehensive". Not sure how alignment indicative this actually is, but it's just an intriguing observation.
I read DoTA's post 823 but the structure of the post is really confusing to me. I felt that it was a lot of IIoA (information instead of analysis), though, which doesn't reflect super well on DoTA. He's also not giving a whole lot of insight into the genuineness of his mindset with that post. Just "here are my notes, KJ looks more town, Cantrip and Wisp look more scummy". Like, there's no pizzazz or attempt to convince others that he is right at all.
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I think this is irrelevant, and I can't even remember if I answered it after the first 5 pages, but DV was a town read because of his general attitude, and the way he was handling his reads. I literally just got out of game, with DV as my partner, and his posts were dumb. I faltered for a second at EoD, because I was convinced the wolves were in Killjoy/Grape, and DV calling a lack of self-preservation townie, just felt partner to Grape.
@Wisp - what is this game, if you don't mind telling us?
Okay, I read through Axel's analysis of KJ and I can be convinced on town KJ. The thing that is making me nervous about him is that his posts feel completely detached from the game - and that he's kind of solving at his own pace. But if people (namely, Wisp) think that it's normal for town KJ to be out of left field, then I'll buy it.
I'll see if I can do my own analysis of KJ sometime tomorrow.
At this point, I'm kind of on the Eco/DoTA team. My reasoning for "clearing" Grapefruit is that most of his posts today feel like he is thinking about the game in a more holistic/three-dimensional way compared to what I read of his ISO in Modern Mafia. His push on me still kinda skeeves me out, but after reflecting on his approach today I feel like his push on me is a little more natural than what I was assuming at EoD1 (which was him being wildly agenda-based)
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DoTA is literally a robot and hasn't really showcased his mindset throughout this game. He's also really struggled IMO to ingrate himself into this game and I feel like town him would at the very least post more rather than appear to be really struggling to push out content.
I feel like we have a lurker scum team here given how bizarre the DV kill was. Simply, KJ/Grape feel more natural than Cantrip/DoTA.
@Proph
it was an anon game on MC, I don't know if anon accounts played a part
I was his partner, and his posts were god awful, but I forgot he was my partner and thought I could get a free ez town kill...
woops lol
@Proph
I am glad I am not the only person who thought 823 was formatted extremely poorly, and I love how this guy, if town, can go from tunneling a town, getting him lunched, then just move on to the next top poster, and not even flinch, based off inconsistencies and posts that feel malicious when none of those reads were even correct with Osie/GJ
@Proph
I am glad I am not the only person who thought 823 was formatted extremely poorly, and I love how this guy, if town, can go from tunneling a town, getting him lunched, then just move on to the next top poster, and not even flinch, based off inconsistencies and posts that feel malicious when none of those reads were even correct with Osie/GJ
Yes, this is why I am saying that DoTA is literally a robot.
He's not displaying any of his mindset in the thread and that's why I want him dead right now. His posts are coming from left field and he's struggling to integrate himself into this game thread. I want him dead for this. (ignore where I said ingrate, I had a mild case of Buffy Speak)
What did you get out of this line of inquiry, Grape?
I was trying to see what your progression was and when I temporarily thought Wisp was a third party in Throne Room I thought I had caught you in a mistake. Which would have indicated it was busy work justification and not a natural progression. As it was the games actually do match the Wisp play here and were town games so your pivot is at least justified at the time with you realizing your meta wasn't accurate.
Top town reads are Proph and Axelrod. Proph picked up the most + points as I was reading, but in general I think his D1 progression was organic and didn't really fit a mafia mindset. He makes a lot of big calls (LW from mafia to town under zero pressure, Crossbell as Town, DV Mafia then Town) when it would have been easy to ride on any read (or at least shelve them rather than reverse when they didn't gain traction). I also think his defence of Crossbell was towny - he put effort into the analysis and heart into arguing with DV, and he tried a couple of alternative wagons where mafia would have found it easy to park a vote and just not try to actually stop the Crossbell execute. This is just beyond what I think mafia Proph would think to do, especially since he caught some heat on D1 and didn't back down or go conservative.
Axelrod's town read is largely based on effort. I don't truly know the limit's of Axel's scum range, but the analysis he has posted reads like he's figuring players out one by one, not working toward a grander strategy (which I think is also supported by the resulting reads being fuzzy/relative rather than hard). I'm going to need a break before I can sift through them and decide how much I agree with though. I also wrote down #206 - I liked the fact that Axel not only directly went against the easiest mafia read at the time, but also didn't give out town points he wanted to because Crossbell claimed to not be Osie.
DoTArchon is my top mafia read - This isn't really groundbreaking, but he's been very focused on small things to the exclusion of having to interact with the thread at large (e.g. #259). Stuff like in #137 he's asking Crossbell for a very specific clarification but then just drops the (very predetermined looking) vote in #139. I know Axel liked #263 but I don't: "not T/T" a big call, but DoTA doesn't follow it up or push it - especially now that one half of it flipped town! #437 is probably the most content-dense post, but pretty much every read is either very fencesitty or comes from paranoia - nothing solid.
Others:
- GF really does not have a lot of content. I liked #66 for an against the grain LW town read. Similarly in #543 GF votes Proph in contrast to many easier wagons (GJ, DoTA, KJ) and it was a doubling down of an existing slightly dangerous read. The major problem is that GF hasn't done much else D2 other than just chip at Proph and make some fencesitting reads without voting anywhere. So he's either Mafia who's just clinging to a vanity vote or town in a tunnel who need to look back at the macro game. I think #768 is the latter direction but that's only a first step
- KJ I can broadly see what Axel is getting at in #842. KJ doesn't have a lot but the nuggets he does have are OK. I'm less high on the early NKA calls because I think they are very easy to present as content while also being useless. Agree also that KJ could have easily voted Crossbell early (countered by KJ joining that wagon in #524 specifically as heat was building on KJ). KJ feels peripheral but more in a manner where he doing his own thing in his own way rather than deliberately avoiding interaction. I guess like GF I need to see more thoughts on the game as a whole rather than narrow focuses. Probably starting with the Vote count analysis KJ has been mentioning a lot but not actually done.
Proph I need your help here on LW. During my reread I was nodding along with your early mafia-read of him - I thought he was overly defensive, inconsistent, trying pretty hard to seem relaxed/detached, and spent a lot of time agreeing and voting with you despite reading you as mafia. I picked out #230 as a broad "let's look at the low posters" very soon after you cased him in #181. Even in D2 while there's been more engagement he's been holding back waiting for results of this "game" which I'm very unimpressed by because needing to wait for everyone to answer is a great way to stall out when you have lurkers.
But, Proph, you've switched your read to pretty much ride or die town and I need you to help me because I don't get it. I get that you read him from a town mindset and it fit, and I can see some positives like it sounds like he's talking without a filter, and I think that his voting would be less erratic (or at least more tactical) if he was mafia. But I also feel like his votes have been pretty safe and he's tried quite hard to make sure we all know he's having trouble nailing down reads. So, uh, help please?
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Overall I'm not wild about coming to basically the same PoE gamestate as the thread at large because for some mysterious reason I am very reluctant to just speed execute the whole consensus PoE pool. So although I'm down to clown on DoTA, I'm really hoping KJ and GF can most moar so we can work out if they're townies who are underwhelming or lurking scum rather than just triple-barreling them. It is also important that we force Proph and Axelrod to keep up their engagement so they can't coast on early game effort posts.
Yo, everyone. We have two mafia. Who do you currently think they are? I would just like 2 names in your next post. Don’t care if you explain why right now. (I know some people have already done this, please just re-state for the record)
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
If you want a pair I guess the best option is DoTA and GF. The only real interaction happens in #437 where DoTA gives Grape a strong-but-handwavey town read, whereas KJ slides down into doubt. I can definitely see him wanting to hard town read his buddy while keeping the KJ option open.
Yo, everyone. We have two mafia. Who do you currently think they are? I would just like 2 names in your next post. Don’t care if you explain why right now. (I know some people have already done this, please just re-state for the record)
until something drastic changes my mind, eco/dota, but would rather see dota die first by a mile.
Dota comes back to write that one post, after writing an unfinished wall post, saying he is going to continue catching up
and he doesn't even attempt to answer my questions, only killjoys
also I will answer his question to Killjoy cause I'm not waiting
Nowhere in Dota's iso does he call GJ a town lean, which Killjoy missing that probably means he swapped GJ with Axel's name in his question, because that progression makes more sense with Killjoy's question
Killjoy asked me about a Cross/Osie townread, not GJ. Not sure where you get that he mixed up Axels name in there.
Dota comes back to write that one post, after writing an unfinished wall post, saying he is going to continue catching up
and he doesn't even attempt to answer my questions, only killjoys
also I will answer his question to Killjoy cause I'm not waiting
Nowhere in Dota's iso does he call GJ a town lean, which Killjoy missing that probably means he swapped GJ with Axel's name in his question, because that progression makes more sense with Killjoy's question
Killjoy asked me about a Cross/Osie townread, not GJ. Not sure where you get that he mixed up Axels name in there.
they are the same person... I used them interchangeable to discuss the slot with a disregard of if the post refers to Osie/Cross or GJ. It's actually irrelevant to the point I made, I was even defending u a bit. And if u had time to nitpik that, then you had time to go back at my stuff and answer it, and honestly it's been so long. I can't even remember what I asked you. I thought he meant to ask about Axel, because that was the only read I could think of that he might have thought of since you never switched your read on Osie's slot
Win!
This strategy cannot fail!
we have 4 more days, and not being forced into majority does allow for more leeway
maybe after work ill decide if I want to look through more iso
that sounds weird
worst case we have 4 days, if we mis yeet here
we have 2 days of night, and about 7 more days, to at least find and hit one wolf in lylo
and he doesn't even attempt to answer my questions, only killjoys
also I will answer his question to Killjoy cause I'm not waiting
Nowhere in Dota's iso does he call GJ a town lean, which Killjoy missing that probably means he swapped GJ with Axel's name in his question, because that progression makes more sense with Killjoy's question
Because from my perspective, I think the game is ostensibly "easy". "Easy" never really is a thing in mafia except in rare cases (hence why I continue to find this game so compelling) but the way forward feels transparent to me.
I know I'm town.
I think Last and Axel are town. If anyone else does not believe so, please case them. I'm not touching these two until f3 most likely (if I'm still alive).
I think there are two scum within (Grapefruit/Cantrip/KJ/DoTA). If I find TWO townies from this group, then the game is solved. Even one townie means that I have a 66% chance of lunching scum.
After 6pm est today
After 8pm est Mon
After 9pm est Tues
After 5pm est Weds? I think
And Thurs is my day off
Just let me know, what's good for you
Also agree with you re: Axel. Think he's playing a splendid game so far
Current vote count:
No one's voting
please be town@axel: I meant in terms of your posting quality, not results. no one has gotten a wolf pelt yet
When is deadline?
Anyway back too it.
Also sorry about the Euro's Eco. That was a brutal way to lose.
Ohhh. Well that's what I get for relying on the first post where he is janitored or something.
The game feels so relaxed. Maybe it's just weekend things but KJ and Axel didn't feel like people trying break the PoE open as scum.
Coming back to thinking it's just you. As for a partner one of Eco or Dota is the most likely.
I've cooled on my suspicion on you somewhat but you're still in my wider poe. really want to hear the mental gymnastics you have to come up with to arrive in a world where I'm a wolf
I would ******* love for everyone to finish my game, so I can see the results
there's no way I step up to bat for GJ like how I did this game if I'm a wolf, there's no way I'm this active as a wolf, no way I approach eod/argue with DV the way I did if I'm a wolf, etc
I'm adopting this tone because I'm phoneposting as opposed to composing my posts on a computer
my last big game I finished was another wolf game where I think I played well, but I was actually in under zero suspicion the entire game - it's easy to wolf on a site where no one knows your meta and you are halfway competent
Slot us in as both town, and then solve the game from that viewpoint. There, saved you 4-6 hours and the effort of reading half the game's posts.
The GJ was a sunk cost for you because of the Osie defense from early. Was a freeroll especially since your pivot target was me. Odds were against you stopping the wagon or permanently saving GJ if he did survive were next to nil. You lose nothing by defending him there and gain this line of defense. The only way it hurts you is if GJ survives and clears himself to the point where you have to NK him which was exceedingly unlikely.
The activity argument isn't as much of a slam dunk for you as it used to be but it's definitely a point in your favor. As is the EoD exchange with DV. Which is why I haven't vote you yet. I can make an active case on you but have doubts. With Eco, KJ, and Dota I can't really make a proactive case so I'm just kind of waiting for them to do something or to vote one at near random.
What baseline are you getting with regards to how detailed Cantrip usually gets into with his reads? It's kinda weird to me that you and Axel both come to opposite conclusions regarding the thoroughness of Cantrip's first post, with you calling it "obviously fairly shallow" but Axel calling it "reasonably comprehensive". Not sure how alignment indicative this actually is, but it's just an intriguing observation.
I read DoTA's post 823 but the structure of the post is really confusing to me. I felt that it was a lot of IIoA (information instead of analysis), though, which doesn't reflect super well on DoTA. He's also not giving a whole lot of insight into the genuineness of his mindset with that post. Just "here are my notes, KJ looks more town, Cantrip and Wisp look more scummy". Like, there's no pizzazz or attempt to convince others that he is right at all.
@Wisp - what is this game, if you don't mind telling us?
I'll see if I can do my own analysis of KJ sometime tomorrow.
At this point, I'm kind of on the Eco/DoTA team. My reasoning for "clearing" Grapefruit is that most of his posts today feel like he is thinking about the game in a more holistic/three-dimensional way compared to what I read of his ISO in Modern Mafia. His push on me still kinda skeeves me out, but after reflecting on his approach today I feel like his push on me is a little more natural than what I was assuming at EoD1 (which was him being wildly agenda-based)
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DoTA is literally a robot and hasn't really showcased his mindset throughout this game. He's also really struggled IMO to ingrate himself into this game and I feel like town him would at the very least post more rather than appear to be really struggling to push out content.
I feel like we have a lurker scum team here given how bizarre the DV kill was. Simply, KJ/Grape feel more natural than Cantrip/DoTA.
it was an anon game on MC, I don't know if anon accounts played a part
I was his partner, and his posts were god awful, but I forgot he was my partner and thought I could get a free ez town kill...
woops lol
I am glad I am not the only person who thought 823 was formatted extremely poorly, and I love how this guy, if town, can go from tunneling a town, getting him lunched, then just move on to the next top poster, and not even flinch, based off inconsistencies and posts that feel malicious when none of those reads were even correct with Osie/GJ
I'll wait to see what Eco says, but I feel pretty good about this lazy-as-balls DoTA/Cantrip team.
Kill the people who aren't being good villagers.
He's not displaying any of his mindset in the thread and that's why I want him dead right now. His posts are coming from left field and he's struggling to integrate himself into this game thread. I want him dead for this. (ignore where I said ingrate, I had a mild case of Buffy Speak)
I was trying to see what your progression was and when I temporarily thought Wisp was a third party in Throne Room I thought I had caught you in a mistake. Which would have indicated it was busy work justification and not a natural progression. As it was the games actually do match the Wisp play here and were town games so your pivot is at least justified at the time with you realizing your meta wasn't accurate.
I'll wait for more people to post but I feel pretty good about my low-effort solve atm.
Occam's razor wheeeeeeeee.
vote: Dota
Top town reads are Proph and Axelrod. Proph picked up the most + points as I was reading, but in general I think his D1 progression was organic and didn't really fit a mafia mindset. He makes a lot of big calls (LW from mafia to town under zero pressure, Crossbell as Town, DV Mafia then Town) when it would have been easy to ride on any read (or at least shelve them rather than reverse when they didn't gain traction). I also think his defence of Crossbell was towny - he put effort into the analysis and heart into arguing with DV, and he tried a couple of alternative wagons where mafia would have found it easy to park a vote and just not try to actually stop the Crossbell execute. This is just beyond what I think mafia Proph would think to do, especially since he caught some heat on D1 and didn't back down or go conservative.
Axelrod's town read is largely based on effort. I don't truly know the limit's of Axel's scum range, but the analysis he has posted reads like he's figuring players out one by one, not working toward a grander strategy (which I think is also supported by the resulting reads being fuzzy/relative rather than hard). I'm going to need a break before I can sift through them and decide how much I agree with though. I also wrote down #206 - I liked the fact that Axel not only directly went against the easiest mafia read at the time, but also didn't give out town points he wanted to because Crossbell claimed to not be Osie.
DoTArchon is my top mafia read - This isn't really groundbreaking, but he's been very focused on small things to the exclusion of having to interact with the thread at large (e.g. #259). Stuff like in #137 he's asking Crossbell for a very specific clarification but then just drops the (very predetermined looking) vote in #139. I know Axel liked #263 but I don't: "not T/T" a big call, but DoTA doesn't follow it up or push it - especially now that one half of it flipped town! #437 is probably the most content-dense post, but pretty much every read is either very fencesitty or comes from paranoia - nothing solid.
Others:
- GF really does not have a lot of content. I liked #66 for an against the grain LW town read. Similarly in #543 GF votes Proph in contrast to many easier wagons (GJ, DoTA, KJ) and it was a doubling down of an existing slightly dangerous read. The major problem is that GF hasn't done much else D2 other than just chip at Proph and make some fencesitting reads without voting anywhere. So he's either Mafia who's just clinging to a vanity vote or town in a tunnel who need to look back at the macro game. I think #768 is the latter direction but that's only a first step
- KJ I can broadly see what Axel is getting at in #842. KJ doesn't have a lot but the nuggets he does have are OK. I'm less high on the early NKA calls because I think they are very easy to present as content while also being useless. Agree also that KJ could have easily voted Crossbell early (countered by KJ joining that wagon in #524 specifically as heat was building on KJ). KJ feels peripheral but more in a manner where he doing his own thing in his own way rather than deliberately avoiding interaction. I guess like GF I need to see more thoughts on the game as a whole rather than narrow focuses. Probably starting with the Vote count analysis KJ has been mentioning a lot but not actually done.
Proph I need your help here on LW. During my reread I was nodding along with your early mafia-read of him - I thought he was overly defensive, inconsistent, trying pretty hard to seem relaxed/detached, and spent a lot of time agreeing and voting with you despite reading you as mafia. I picked out #230 as a broad "let's look at the low posters" very soon after you cased him in #181. Even in D2 while there's been more engagement he's been holding back waiting for results of this "game" which I'm very unimpressed by because needing to wait for everyone to answer is a great way to stall out when you have lurkers.
But, Proph, you've switched your read to pretty much ride or die town and I need you to help me because I don't get it. I get that you read him from a town mindset and it fit, and I can see some positives like it sounds like he's talking without a filter, and I think that his voting would be less erratic (or at least more tactical) if he was mafia. But I also feel like his votes have been pretty safe and he's tried quite hard to make sure we all know he's having trouble nailing down reads. So, uh, help please?
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Overall I'm not wild about coming to basically the same PoE gamestate as the thread at large because for some mysterious reason I am very reluctant to just speed execute the whole consensus PoE pool. So although I'm down to clown on DoTA, I'm really hoping KJ and GF can most moar so we can work out if they're townies who are underwhelming or lurking scum rather than just triple-barreling them. It is also important that we force Proph and Axelrod to keep up their engagement so they can't coast on early game effort posts.
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It turns out it was the friends we made along the way that came home.
Yo, everyone. We have two mafia. Who do you currently think they are? I would just like 2 names in your next post. Don’t care if you explain why right now. (I know some people have already done this, please just re-state for the record)
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So we don't lunch DoTA too quickly.
My two scum are Ecoslot and DoTA.
I see Eco's post, gimme a sec to digest it.
I'll do my fair share of evaluating you and your posts as the Day goes on.
(Have we actually ever played a game together?)
Yeah I get that, and if you guys have to GJ then so be it. But I would much prefer it if we can interact and clear my slot out of the PoE.
We've played the Org/CFC/MTGS invitational and ZDS' Normal. And Mind Screw