@Iso: Your suspicion seems to come down to three points:
1. That I haven't been posting content.
I think my content has been just fine this game, and anyone can go back and look for themselves if they agree with you.
2. That I kept talking about math.
I would actually love a more concise accusation to respond to here, but the only reason I kept talking about it is because KJ was pressing me on it. So what, I should have just ignored him?
3. That you think my RVS vote was bad.
I'll pose the same question that I asked Sloth and never got an answer for: What would I, as scum, have to gain from a wagon vote at that time? It was RVS, there was no real pressure, it wasn't going to lead to a claim or elimination. I obviously wasn't trying to look like I was trying to contribute or look like I was hunting scum. It was a joke vote during the joke voting part of the game. What even are you accusing me of here?
You can clutch your pearls all day about how I'm not in claim range, but it really shouldn't be that surprising.
Now I feel bad fer nah votin' cropcircles when I unvoted Wisp but I was too lazy t' look back t' see if that scumread still held up 'n Iso beat me t' it 'n now he be gettin' all th' credit fer findin' scum.
Anyways, @everyone, iso Cropcircles 'n tell me why ye be nah votin' 'im when ye read it. Or jus' vote 'im.
Better yet, why don't you actually give a reason for your vote instead of just barning Iso.
Maybe GJ isn't a wolf, and it's just highroller, since that post howlssss.
Oh really? Tell me, is it worse than claiming you're not town? How would you rank it compared to my one previous post, which you also said was suspicious without any explanation?
Yeah, it was obvious that you weren't posting in good faith prior to being outed as a hostile. Right now it's plainly obvious that you're either mafia or a neutral that has me on his list.
I take 1 vit from people I don't need to target and 3 from people I do, it still requires in worlds of 7 starting vit, 3 days phases to kill someone by myself. Actually 3 day phases to set up and a night phase to off them
7 VIT?! Holy *****... I hope you're lying about this.
Bur, you realize that when people like posts, it's basically saying the post reads townie?
Turns out, by that same token, going at someone four separate times in the span of less than two hours, in addition to outright calling him "wolfy," is a push.
So maybe best not to accuse someone of posting in bad faith when your actions don't match your rhetoric. Mmmkay? Sound good?
You said you wanted to yeet Wisp second before the claim - what were your reasons? Your posts makes it look like "he's 3rder, kill it" as the only reason.
First of all, that's the only reason we should need. He's a threat to the town. Our win condition is kill threats to the town.
Second, Wisp was just obviously shifty. He has claimed me mafia and voted for me with absolutely no rationale given, and came at me three times in one page when I'd posted exactly once. It came off as opportunism, going after a low poster, which is made all the more clear with his claimed role. He's either mafia or I'm one of the people he needs dead, but it definitely wasn't coming from a place of good faith. He was clearly not a town even before he made it undeniable by outing himself.
I don’t think that highroller’s push on wisp has to come from scum. I do think that mafia are more likely to want to push the claimed third party because it’s easy and is possibly detrimental to the scum team, BUT there are people out there that legitimately think you should never suffer a nontown to live no matter what. I don’t know high roller, so I do not know if that’s his theory. I wasn’t totally ensnared with his GJ push even though it has some of the same reasoning as me for finding him scummy. I guess he felt a little too dramatic about it.
I was in a game on this very forum in which the town lost with the exact mindset being expressed here, "No, let's not lynch the neutral and instead vote for mafia."
It is singularly ridiculous to argue that a lynch that has a 100% chance of killing a hostile and a 0% chance of killing a town should not be taken.
Dropping the gimmick for now because it keeps me from posting when I have little time to post and that’s not productive.
I also felt like GJ / Wisp was theatre. That’s why I first called them out. But I came back from that and thought it’s scum!Wisp interacting with town!GJ. That unvote from Wisp to vote Highroller for no reason though... yuck and might point to him being done with the distancing. I might have cleared GJ too quickly.
The interaction between Wisp and Chad also feels off.
baseline is that I am pretty much sold on Wisp and his interactions might point to Chad and GJ but those aren’t worth pushing until Wisp flips.
Hey Rhand, you're doing that thing where one person is scum in your eyes and then you decide others are scum because of it. Why are you doing that?
Wouldn't that require the mindset of "would Wisp/GJ make these posts as a wolf"?
"Would" versus "could" is pretty similar to the distinction I was making before, actually
"Could they be partners" is almost always trivially yes, "would they post those to each other as wolves" invites you to think about how often they are (or aren't) partners and what might make them post like that as various alignments, how the posts might be different, etc.
I think my "how often is that wolf theater" framing has a similar effect but your mileage may vary, I suppose
I think I misspoke earlier. I meant to ask "would this require the mindset of "could GJ/Wisp make these posts as wolf if the other is a wolf as well" which I think falls into the not useful catagory.
We don't just disagree on the math, CC. We also disagree about the relevence of the four-pack that Silver proposed. And it doesn't make sense for you to still be doing, or at least you should have reconsidered your position here. If you think I'm town, then I really believe what I'm saying. But no, you're pushing your position still, in your discussions with Sloth, and using it against him as well. But not me, like I said, and not Silver, who was the first person who had this position.
So, if the position of [there are scum in Silver, Rhand, Bur, Crops] is scattershot and comes from a scum mindset, why are two of the people who hold it not scum in your eyes?
First of all, what Silver said was that "There's probably a wolf in the players who followed me onto Iso but I'm gonna town lean them all anyway," which is not shading anyone at all. There's no comparison there.
It's no less shading than Sloth did. Like, if I say "I saw Silver drowning a kitten, throwing bricks at an orphanage on fire, and licking the frosting off of cupcakes in the grocery store before putting them back... but I'm gonna townlean him for it" That doesn;'t remove the negativity of what I'm saying he did. The fact that you're continuing to argue specifically that Sloth deserves your ire but no one else does is inconsistant, and I continue to believe, intentional.
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As for your stance, okay so maybe it's just me who got caught up in the math, but it doesn't change much. My vote on Sloth came after his response to my initial jab. As I've already stated, I read your responses as genuine whereas his read fake to me. So again, there's really no comparison.
You're framing this as though my vote is simply for that initial scattershot post, but it is not. It is for his response to the initial accusation. Sloth basically refusing to even have this conversation at this point just replying "no u" and scoffing the whole thing off pretty much solidifies it at this point....
I'm not framing anything as anything. Framing is something that scum does anyway, and you don't think I'm scum, right?
Your initial suspicion of Sloth was the scattershot shade on [4pack] and that's what I was arguing against initially. Now you're saying the reason you suspect him had nothing to do with that, and was borne of his response to your jab.
So to recap, I'm not a fan of you saying that Sloth's scattershot is more scummy than [mine and Silver's] points of the same vein for no really good reason. I recognize that your suspicion will have grown in response to his response (here) but the initial susicion made no sense, and the fact that others doing it as well for the same reason aren't suspect.
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GJ hasn't really done anything that makes me suspect him to the degree he's getting heat for.
Wisp claiming neutral doesn't surprise me, but I wonder what "witted" actually means. I don't think we have an intellegence score of any kind, so I'm not sure what that's referring to.
Sloth and CC probably aren't partners.
@Highroller:Why do you care more about lynching Last who is neutral than GJ who might be scum?
@Iso: 12 scum games. Not overall.
I am officially too tired to read rn. I'm still groggy fr4om my nap, and as such will return later to do more.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I was in many games with 3p claims, and in none of them did we try to lunch them day 1, I'm not wolfy, anyone here who has seen my wolf game, knows this ain't it lol, the only thing that slightly resembles my wolf games is the fact that I claimed something lol
I can vote Chad or circles with absolutely no context, and nothing will stop me. You are howling, I don't care what meta says, that bravado coupled with the easy push 3p claim is not townie whatsoever
I thought ur entrance was bad and then ur turned this into a full blown Omgus, I just wanted your thoughts, you know a pressure vote, and then you turned this into an oog argument by talking about time, you think I looked at when you made that post? I also play on sites that are 48 hours, which does not leave the benefit of waiting
Then you come in all angry rawr rawr, and I just don't believe you are town, I just don't. Do you have wit, is that it, you scared I will kill you, because I'm certainly coming for you next
Ohh no he claimed 3p he is anti town, thata like claiming an angel is anti town, it's just a ***** role, u shouldn't have anything to worry about if you start slinging wolves day 1 and on, in regards to the possibilities of me killing town
#gitgudmaybe
@killjoy witted are a group of 5 people that can make permanent, limited chats, to what limited means idk, I'm assuming also only one way like the regular mechanic, except just permanent
@Highroller:Why do you care more about lynching Last who is neutral than GJ who might be scum?
What kind of question is that?
You win when all threats to town are eliminated.
He is a threat to the town. We have to kill him as part of our win condition. Lynching him gives us a 100% chance of killing a threat to the town on the first day. Arguing against that is like arguing against lynching an inspector flip.
Not to mention killing a serial killer is arguably more advantageous than killing a mafia because it means we'll only have one hostile nightkill to worry about instead of two.
Do you or do you not have an actual kill, or are you just a vit thief?
Because I vaguely remember you saying you were going to kill in the leading wagons but if your ability is "steal vit from each person with a token" that's not uh
He hasn’t played for ages, so a grain of salt is appropriate.
I think this is town!Iso solving the game.
There’s an easy Iso catch if he’s mafia, but ask me about that in a few Days or I ruin it.
Hm. Noted.
Something about his posts was putting me on edge - I think it was the occasional touches of whimsy he'd add like "I was like 'facesitting whattttt?' lol hashtag relatable!" intermixed with real analysis.
I used to get unreasonably angry with Mafia when people wouldn't just blindly follow me. I'm trying to take a chill pill and enjoy myself, this time around - that was a big part of my semi-retirement.
Meh, whatev. I like the content and I want to bounce thoughts off of him.
Also bouncing around Cuth thoughts in my head, and I find myself in the peculiar position that I'm not a fan of the way he's putting as little effort into things as possible, which flies in the face of the brief but content-heavy posts I've come to expect from him. However, in all the games that I remember with him, he was actually scum, so the deviation here is...good...?
Someone speak on this with me.
Yeah, this is probably my biggest issue with that player slot, which I noted in my catch-up - I don't remember a single post he's made all game, even since pointing that fact out.
@Iso: Your suspicion seems to come down to three points:
1. That I haven't been posting content.
I think my content has been just fine this game, and anyone can go back and look for themselves if they agree with you.
2. That I kept talking about math.
I would actually love a more concise accusation to respond to here, but the only reason I kept talking about it is because KJ was pressing me on it. So what, I should have just ignored him?
3. That you think my RVS vote was bad.
I'll pose the same question that I asked Sloth and never got an answer for: What would I, as scum, have to gain from a wagon vote at that time? It was RVS, there was no real pressure, it wasn't going to lead to a claim or elimination. I obviously wasn't trying to look like I was trying to contribute or look like I was hunting scum. It was a joke vote during the joke voting part of the game. What even are you accusing me of here?
You can clutch your pearls all day about how I'm not in claim range, but it really shouldn't be that surprising.
RE 1: I agree that they should. They'd likely come to the same conclusion that I have.
RE 2: I mean probably. It's just actively lurking and not contributing anything to the game. I think the right call would have been to call Killjoy out on his maths nonsense since we're scumhunting here.
RE 3: People could have latched on to the "Iso is lurking omg pressure him with votes!!!" mentality, especially since I've gotten lynched over people repeatedly posting a meme, before, which is a bit of a sore spot for me. You probably weren't aware of the meme lynching, but the fact that you're voting for one of my biggest townreads isn't really inspiring to me, either. Overall, I'm just unimpressed with your posts and what I have perceived your motivations to be and think we would be better off with you at least dead, if not more.
Dropping the gimmick for now because it keeps me from posting when I have little time to post and that’s not productive.
I also felt like GJ / Wisp was theatre. That’s why I first called them out. But I came back from that and thought it’s scum!Wisp interacting with town!GJ. That unvote from Wisp to vote Highroller for no reason though... yuck and might point to him being done with the distancing. I might have cleared GJ too quickly.
The interaction between Wisp and Chad also feels off.
baseline is that I am pretty much sold on Wisp and his interactions might point to Chad and GJ but those aren’t worth pushing until Wisp flips.
Hey Rhand, you're doing that thing where one person is scum in your eyes and then you decide others are scum because of it. Why are you doing that?
I mean, that's a thing that I do. Is that a problem?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Do you or do you not have an actual kill, or are you just a vit thief?
Because I vaguely remember you saying you were going to kill in the leading wagons but if your ability is "steal vit from each person with a token" that's not uh
A thing
I have no idea what ur talking about, I just steal vit, I laid out my ability very clearly but once again I'll put it all in to one big post
Ohh no he claimed 3p he is anti town, thata like claiming an angel is anti town, it's just a ***** role, u shouldn't have anything to worry about if you start slinging wolves day 1 and on, in regards to the possibilities of me killing town
#gitgudmaybe
Ohh no he claimed 3p he is anti town, thata like claiming an angel is anti town, it's just a ***** role, u shouldn't have anything to worry about if you start slinging wolves day 1 and on, in regards to the possibilities of me killing town
#gitgudmaybe
What the hell? Your role's job is to kill towns!
I don't know who my targets are or there alignment, there is no way all 5 of my targets are town, and if u just lunch Mafia which is not me, then we will be fine.
Ohh no he claimed 3p he is anti town, thata like claiming an angel is anti town, it's just a ***** role, u shouldn't have anything to worry about if you start slinging wolves day 1 and on, in regards to the possibilities of me killing town
#gitgudmaybe
What the hell? Your role's job is to kill towns!
I don't know who my targets are or there alignment, there is no way all 5 of my targets are town, and if u just lunch Mafia which is not me, then we will be fine.
We are not going to be fine, because you are a person whom we need to lynch to win, whose win condition by its very nature means we lose, who has nightkills, and, given vitality shenanigans, apparent vig-kill immunity.
Ohh no he claimed 3p he is anti town, thata like claiming an angel is anti town, it's just a ***** role, u shouldn't have anything to worry about if you start slinging wolves day 1 and on, in regards to the possibilities of me killing town
#gitgudmaybe
What the hell? Your role's job is to kill towns!
I don't know who my targets are or there alignment, there is no way all 5 of my targets are town, and if u just lunch Mafia which is not me, then we will be fine.
We are not going to be fine, because you are a person whom we need to lynch to win, whose win condition by its very nature means we lose, who has nightkills, and, given vitality shenanigans, apparent vig-kill immunity.
We'll be fine when you're dead.
I get removed from the game u potato, I'm only immune if I hit one of my targets, else I will slowly kill myaelf
ok so this will be my last post tonight and them I'm going to WoW
I can give 1 person a charm every day, it costs 1 Vit to use
What this charm does is, allow me to be notified the first time everyday they said a message to someone, as long as they have it
They are notified when they get it
Now every night I can expend another 1 vit, to remove the charms from everyone that has one, if the said person is one my targets, they lose 3 vit, and if they are not, they lose 1 vit
Yes I start with 7 vit (currently I have 6), and no I am now immune unless I hit a target, and if I ever reach 1 Vit, I can never use my ability again, unless someone heals my vit, which will never happen
Page 1, 11, and my PMs indicate I'm still a thing. Therefore, I'm now going to create a spreadsheet to contain my reads. Because when you're boring adult, spreadsheets are life.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Highroller: It's bad because scum care more about killing neutrals than town does. Town cares about killing Mafia first, then neutrals, as neutrals help them sometimes by killing Mafia.
@CC: You were saying that this type of behavior tracks for Highroller. Can you expand on that for me?
@Iso:It's bad when you're basing assumptions on unknown info. It's not "if this person is scum then that person is" so much as "He's scum, so so are they" which doesn't logically follow given the uncertainty of the info.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Also, I officially have my second burn it with fire target. But I'm debating discussing who it is further so that they can continue giving me high-quality terrible tells.
Also of note everyone: I currently have a 100 degree fever and flulike symptoms. I'll probably be well enough to give updates without dropping off completely, but I'm just gonna say that I reeeeeeeally hope this isn't COVID. I suspect it's just a cold/flu, but still.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Also, I officially have my second burn it with fire target. But I'm debating discussing who it is further so that they can continue giving me high-quality terrible tells.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
What do you mean notation? What kind of notation do you use? I like cells.
Excel. I'm using post-counts and "N" for negative, and "P" for positive. So far Sloth is at 10 negative, and my secondary target is at 5.
I have two town reads, but I'm thinking maybe those aren't a thing I share publicly either at this point. Feels like this is just going to be instructions on who to kill, in this game.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Also, I officially have my second burn it with fire target. But I'm debating discussing who it is further so that they can continue giving me high-quality terrible tells.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I got to the part where LW claimed. Spoilers, he was target #2. He's now up to 9 negatives, not counting the post where he claimed neutral. Can't wait to see what comes out of his mouth next.
Also, pfft, sure, why not share it. GJ and LW interactions look real bad. Like, I don't know if they're scum together, but that page 7-8 interaction is super gross.
Also, I officially have my second burn it with fire target. But I'm debating discussing who it is further so that they can continue giving me high-quality terrible tells.
Ooooh can I guess? That might be fun.
Sure!
I want one of them to be CC but you're probably gonna come in and say I'm completely wrong there.
Since this is you and not me...
I'm gonna guess Vaimes as one. I don't have a read on him currently but maybe something is evading me. The third might be... Cuth? I'm naming people who are off my radar because those are the people good players catch. lol
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
1. That I haven't been posting content.
I think my content has been just fine this game, and anyone can go back and look for themselves if they agree with you.
2. That I kept talking about math.
I would actually love a more concise accusation to respond to here, but the only reason I kept talking about it is because KJ was pressing me on it. So what, I should have just ignored him?
3. That you think my RVS vote was bad.
I'll pose the same question that I asked Sloth and never got an answer for: What would I, as scum, have to gain from a wagon vote at that time? It was RVS, there was no real pressure, it wasn't going to lead to a claim or elimination. I obviously wasn't trying to look like I was trying to contribute or look like I was hunting scum. It was a joke vote during the joke voting part of the game. What even are you accusing me of here?
You can clutch your pearls all day about how I'm not in claim range, but it really shouldn't be that surprising.
Yeah, it was obvious that you weren't posting in good faith prior to being outed as a hostile. Right now it's plainly obvious that you're either mafia or a neutral that has me on his list.
7 VIT?! Holy *****... I hope you're lying about this.
Well, you know it's funny. So, kind of like how you post this:
Turns out, by that same token, going at someone four separate times in the span of less than two hours, in addition to outright calling him "wolfy," is a push.
So maybe best not to accuse someone of posting in bad faith when your actions don't match your rhetoric. Mmmkay? Sound good?
First of all, that's the only reason we should need. He's a threat to the town. Our win condition is kill threats to the town.
Second, Wisp was just obviously shifty. He has claimed me mafia and voted for me with absolutely no rationale given, and came at me three times in one page when I'd posted exactly once. It came off as opportunism, going after a low poster, which is made all the more clear with his claimed role. He's either mafia or I'm one of the people he needs dead, but it definitely wasn't coming from a place of good faith. He was clearly not a town even before he made it undeniable by outing himself.
I was in a game on this very forum in which the town lost with the exact mindset being expressed here, "No, let's not lynch the neutral and instead vote for mafia."
It is singularly ridiculous to argue that a lynch that has a 100% chance of killing a hostile and a 0% chance of killing a town should not be taken.
I think I misspoke earlier. I meant to ask "would this require the mindset of "could GJ/Wisp make these posts as wolf if the other is a wolf as well" which I think falls into the not useful catagory.
It's no less shading than Sloth did. Like, if I say "I saw Silver drowning a kitten, throwing bricks at an orphanage on fire, and licking the frosting off of cupcakes in the grocery store before putting them back... but I'm gonna townlean him for it" That doesn;'t remove the negativity of what I'm saying he did. The fact that you're continuing to argue specifically that Sloth deserves your ire but no one else does is inconsistant, and I continue to believe, intentional.
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I'm not framing anything as anything. Framing is something that scum does anyway, and you don't think I'm scum, right?
Your initial suspicion of Sloth was the scattershot shade on [4pack] and that's what I was arguing against initially. Now you're saying the reason you suspect him had nothing to do with that, and was borne of his response to your jab.
So to recap, I'm not a fan of you saying that Sloth's scattershot is more scummy than [mine and Silver's] points of the same vein for no really good reason. I recognize that your suspicion will have grown in response to his response (here) but the initial susicion made no sense, and the fact that others doing it as well for the same reason aren't suspect.
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GJ hasn't really done anything that makes me suspect him to the degree he's getting heat for.
Wisp claiming neutral doesn't surprise me, but I wonder what "witted" actually means. I don't think we have an intellegence score of any kind, so I'm not sure what that's referring to.
Sloth and CC probably aren't partners.
@Highroller:Why do you care more about lynching Last who is neutral than GJ who might be scum?
@Iso: 12 scum games. Not overall.
I am officially too tired to read rn. I'm still groggy fr4om my nap, and as such will return later to do more.
Fight me, bet I don't get lunched lol
I'm not changing my vote till he changes his God damn attitude, I did not shade him, and I'm tired of playing with these kinds of players
He thinks I'm a wolf because I egged Vaimes onto his wagon like I was serious about trying to exile him when he had literally zero posts?
He's probably a villager
Then you come in all angry rawr rawr, and I just don't believe you are town, I just don't. Do you have wit, is that it, you scared I will kill you, because I'm certainly coming for you next
Also yes I do have 7 Vit, 6 now actually
#gitgudmaybe
Ok I'm chill now
What kind of question is that?
He is a threat to the town. We have to kill him as part of our win condition. Lynching him gives us a 100% chance of killing a threat to the town on the first day. Arguing against that is like arguing against lynching an inspector flip.
Not to mention killing a serial killer is arguably more advantageous than killing a mafia because it means we'll only have one hostile nightkill to worry about instead of two.
Do you or do you not have an actual kill, or are you just a vit thief?
Because I vaguely remember you saying you were going to kill in the leading wagons but if your ability is "steal vit from each person with a token" that's not uh
A thing
I used to get unreasonably angry with Mafia when people wouldn't just blindly follow me. I'm trying to take a chill pill and enjoy myself, this time around - that was a big part of my semi-retirement.
So, do so.
Yeah, this is probably my biggest issue with that player slot, which I noted in my catch-up - I don't remember a single post he's made all game, even since pointing that fact out.
So let's talk about it. What about my posts has you forming forehead wrinkles?
Grapefruit...isn't...in...this game...
RE 1: I agree that they should. They'd likely come to the same conclusion that I have.
RE 2: I mean probably. It's just actively lurking and not contributing anything to the game. I think the right call would have been to call Killjoy out on his maths nonsense since we're scumhunting here.
RE 3: People could have latched on to the "Iso is lurking omg pressure him with votes!!!" mentality, especially since I've gotten lynched over people repeatedly posting a meme, before, which is a bit of a sore spot for me. You probably weren't aware of the meme lynching, but the fact that you're voting for one of my biggest townreads isn't really inspiring to me, either. Overall, I'm just unimpressed with your posts and what I have perceived your motivations to be and think we would be better off with you at least dead, if not more.
Relax. He can always be lynched.
Agreed. But I think it can be tabled for now.
I mean, that's a thing that I do. Is that a problem?
Ah, okay.
I'm amused that you think you can handwave me like this.
I had one other post quoted but I don't remember whose it was or why I wanted to respond to it so that's what you get.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I always rub you the wrong way; if you think you can get me exiled then have at thee or whatever
We'll be fine when you're dead.
We probably both share the same hate for 3P roles honestly
I can give 1 person a charm every day, it costs 1 Vit to use
What this charm does is, allow me to be notified the first time everyday they said a message to someone, as long as they have it
They are notified when they get it
Now every night I can expend another 1 vit, to remove the charms from everyone that has one, if the said person is one my targets, they lose 3 vit, and if they are not, they lose 1 vit
Yes I start with 7 vit (currently I have 6), and no I am now immune unless I hit a target, and if I ever reach 1 Vit, I can never use my ability again, unless someone heals my vit, which will never happen
Fear. My. Cells.
Also, how is Sloth alive? I've seen exactly five of his posts and they all made me want to kill him. Every. Single. One.
Dude, that's talent. I'd vote you except I have no idea what the VC is.
*scrolls up* Haha! YOLO! Let's go, CC! vote Sloth
Upside of cells - sweet, sweet notation of every post wretched Sloth post that should go into my eventual eye-exploding dreadnought.
What do you mean notation? What kind of notation do you use? I like cells.
@CC: You were saying that this type of behavior tracks for Highroller. Can you expand on that for me?
@Iso:It's bad when you're basing assumptions on unknown info. It's not "if this person is scum then that person is" so much as "He's scum, so so are they" which doesn't logically follow given the uncertainty of the info.
Spoilers, it's me.
Also, I officially have my second burn it with fire target. But I'm debating discussing who it is further so that they can continue giving me high-quality terrible tells.
Excel. I'm using post-counts and "N" for negative, and "P" for positive. So far Sloth is at 10 negative, and my secondary target is at 5.
I have two town reads, but I'm thinking maybe those aren't a thing I share publicly either at this point. Feels like this is just going to be instructions on who to kill, in this game.
Up to page 7, got three targets, and four town reads.
Feeling like the other two are probably hiding in lurker land and I won't get them. Scratch that, probably only 1 more. Plus a neutral.
Sure!
I got to the part where LW claimed. Spoilers, he was target #2. He's now up to 9 negatives, not counting the post where he claimed neutral. Can't wait to see what comes out of his mouth next.
Also, pfft, sure, why not share it. GJ and LW interactions look real bad. Like, I don't know if they're scum together, but that page 7-8 interaction is super gross.
Sloth, GJ, LW can all die.
Since this is you and not me...
I'm gonna guess Vaimes as one. I don't have a read on him currently but maybe something is evading me. The third might be... Cuth? I'm naming people who are off my radar because those are the people good players catch. lol