I'm not townreading Tubba, but I'm more confident in HR.
I know there's one in Tubba/ Boom because wagons.
HR/Sloth/[Tubba/Boom] seems the most likely, and thats in order of confidence.
Bur is probably clear.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Bur is town because the main argument for him being scum is "he's lurky." But apparently he's been active enough in his Skill chats to rack up 500+ QT posts between him and his chat partners, which would defeat the purpose of lurking. And if having a lot of Skill partners was advantageous to his team in some way mechanically, he's under no obligation to be active there.
Tubba is scum because he was almost killed with a wagon of 95% villagers, he fits on most teams because he doesn't have a lot of fleshed out pushes or interactions, and as far as I can tell the only thing in his favor are his emotional outbursts, which are dubious at best. KJ can correct me on this if he feels a need to, since I think he's the only person arguing Tubba could be town.
I know you're probably right RE:Tubba, I just don't wanna be wrong with Tubba being possible town for rightousness.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I still would like to hear why I'm scum. ...And over Tubba? Seriously?
You never replied to my response on HR>Tubba.
Not sure what you mean by wagons?
Glad we have some common ground, but if this leads to D6 with the yeet falling on me I'm going to be super pissed, so I would like to resolve it now if possible.
Oh also Tubba is using the exact same scenario to clear and condemn me. "Vaimes is cleared for not voting me Day 2" has become "Vaimes was saving me to misyeet later." That only works if I'm literally psychic.
Reads can evolve and change with the game state. It looked good at the time, less so now that the PoE has shrunk. I’ve also pointed out how that scenario benefits scum, and I’m not too proud to believe that keeping me was a difficult decision on the risk/reward scale in that scenario.
Oh also Tubba is using the exact same scenario to clear and condemn me. "Vaimes is cleared for not voting me Day 2" has become "Vaimes was saving me to misyeet later." That only works if I'm literally psychic.
Reads can evolve and change with the game state. It looked good at the time, less so now that the PoE has shrunk. I’ve also pointed out how that scenario benefits scum, and I’m not too proud to believe that keeping me was a difficult decision on the risk/reward scale in that scenario.
Aside from there being fewer people scum could be, what makes it look bad?
Oh also Tubba is using the exact same scenario to clear and condemn me. "Vaimes is cleared for not voting me Day 2" has become "Vaimes was saving me to misyeet later." That only works if I'm literally psychic.
Reads can evolve and change with the game state. It looked good at the time, less so now that the PoE has shrunk. I’ve also pointed out how that scenario benefits scum, and I’m not too proud to believe that keeping me was a difficult decision on the risk/reward scale in that scenario.
Aside from there being fewer people scum could be, what makes it look bad?
It’s not just that snapshot of the game anymore that’s the thing.
It’s more that it’s not necessarily good anymore comsiderimg game state, read progressions or the lack thereof, and possible trams.
Agsim, it feels like you’re not really trying to understand me, or at least reading my posts carefully. I feel like I’m covering the same ground and you just keep trying to poke holes in it.
There's one in Tubba/Boom.
Vaimes is town.
Bur is town.
I am town.
HR is scum.
Sloth is ??.
Do you think Tubba and Boom are scum together? I'm not gonna push you now, but that's my PoE right now. I'm still rereading, and the death tonight will make that narrower. Hopefully that's not me but, if it is... you guys are probably better at solving htan me.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Living Players:
Tubba Fett
Bur
Slothful
Vaimes
Highroller
BoomFrog
Killjoy
Can't be scum because...
Slothful: I know I'm town. Objectively there's also proof of my ability being matched by a scum player's, and it'd be pretty unfair for both to be on the same team.
Bur: Bessie wouldn't have skilled their scummate, there's no observable benefit from it. Bessie also seems to not have skilled any other players.
> I'm glad for this 'cause man though, reading back on the ***** about Anak yesterDay looks SO bad for him, to the point where I had to retalk myself into concluding that it just doesnt work with him as scum.
Doubt he's scum because...
Killjoy: Seems solid town and interested in driving the game forward and winning, even now.
> Ability is...weird, being secretive about it right now is potentially not great. Can't prove it, even weirder. Has some discrepancies with GJ, it doesn't fit as the clean counterpart it was originally presented as.
> Lost vit N2. The timing of this claim is...weird too. But too clumsy to be fake? Or...? There's also what this means in terms of HR or of HR/KJ...
> Ugh, I need more people to be ruled out for the yeet, and KJ fits if for no other reason than he's nowhere near as bad as others.
POE scum here...
Tubba: last of the 5 OG Witters left alive. Statistically, has a high chance of being scum on that alone. Hasn't really been pulling his weight despite claims to the contrary. Probably just scum no matter what?
Vaimes: If he's not scum, then Bessie stayed the hell away from all her scummates which is possible, but unlikely.
> Only player that still fits in the grouping of players that hesitated on Anak despite sussing him yesterDay, which given the amount of evidence against him, points to knowing he was town, meaning they were scum. (Bur and Cuth being in that grouping and nearly/completely cleared gives me pause, but really all of them??? I don't get their mentality here)
> Has made weird comments all game, some of which were explained reasonable, some of which were misunderstood, some of which (mudslinging, defacto Anak, stating that I don't believe some of the things I've said for weird reasons and also not following up on it?
> Everyone else seems to be seeing him as strong town for reasons ???
HighRoller: Did not use his claimed ability on the two best players to use it on on what was probably his last chance to use it, for no stated reason. Focus on wisp was brought up, claims is re-reading and we're waiting to see what he says.
> Reported vit loss on N1 and N3 - N3 is weird given his claim, but. If true, then how have both him and KJ been hit by the scum vit thief if he's scum? (a) they could both be scum and lying; (b) he's vit thief?
Boomfrog: More of an absence of towntell, true POE. Chad was bad, but that's just d1 *****. Can't prove ability, potential old argument of too many protectives still applies...
> Has been making effort now that he's actually here: Tubba and Boom are in that same sort of vote where they're not posting a lot. Except when Boom posts, there's effort. Tubba's just skating.
POE being:
Tubba
Highroller
BoomFrog/Vaimes
In semi-accurate order.
I don't see how they can't both be scum but you've said "there's only one in" twice now. You've kinda lost me there, honestly.
In fairness, to me it's between Boom/Vaimes.
No one has given a satisfactory reason why Vaimes can't be scum - and I've asked. Bur is apparently too busy to answer, and you rely entirely on Bessie, even though I've asked for literally anything outside of her. Meh.
Tubba (8): Az, GJ, Anak, KJ, Silver, BoomFrog, Wisp, Tammy
Az (5): Bur, HR, Bessie, Tubba, Sloth
BoomFrog (1): Cuth
Silver (1): GJ
Not Voting (2): Cantrip, Vaimes
Like Vaimes said recently and I said earlier, Tubba might be scum for that wagon on the end of D2.Boom could be scum too, but I'm less confident there given these wagons.
Actually Boom/Tubba/HR makes sense with that last wagon on d4.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Why would the mafia shoot you N3? You declared your role super transparently, If you are town the mafia knew your vit was high. Why waste a shot on you?
Probably because I posted this. (In response to you.)
My role ability allows me to turn into a sleeping dragon. While sleeping, my vit becomes 1, and I can only post a post that contains anything other than just a vote once every 24 hours. Once during each phase while slumbering, I can open up a communication link with a player that lasts up to 2 phases. While I'm asleep, any player who has such a communication link cannot have their role abilities blocked, redirected, or prevented.
Why would the mafia shoot you N3? You declared your role super transparently, If you are town the mafia knew your vit was high. Why waste a shot on you?
Probably because I posted this. (In response to you.)
The hell? HR are you reading posts?
You're being asked why mafia would shoot you N3 in light of the post you're referring to, where you state you have a lot of vit.
By not using my ability, I reduced the chances of the mafia winning. Had I used my ability and they pinged me, I would have died and it would be gg. Had I used my ability, it would be permanent, meaning I'd be at 1 vit for the rest of the game.
Although, HR: You just said it was a bad idea to kill me rn then said you'd vote me. Whats up with that?
Because if any town votes any other town, and refuses to move that vote, we're ****ed. It's LyLo. So if you're voting me and refusing to budge, then either you're mafia, in which case I should vote you, or you're town, in which case it doesn't even matter.
Again, maybe you're mafia, but I'd rather you live today.
What the hell does this mean? Why would you vote KJ if you think he's town? How does voting him at all do anything?
You're obviously not even reading my posts.
And it's one thing to miss stuff that happened previous days, it's another thing entirely to miss stuff that happened like the previous page, especially when your question has either been answered in a conversation to another person, or in a response directed right at you.
For all of your pretenses of analysis, you're not actually analyzing. You're posting attacks without even reading the very posts you're attacking, and you didn't even know how my role worked.
Are you even reading what I'm writing right now, or are you already in the process of typing out the next volley against this post, having not even read it?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Either way, we're not yeeting Vaimes or you today. I guess I can get behind Tubba.
What about BoomFrog?
Why is he scum though?
You repeatedly said that there's one in Tubba/BoomFrog. You then said you could get behind Tubba. What shifted you away from BoomFrog?
I was never on boom.
I had it in my head that one of boom and Tubba was likely scum due to the last wagon day two. Vaimes made a good point that is more likely Tubba than boom because 95% town wagon.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Everyone who thinks I'm mafia needs to justify why I got attacked by the mafia. Twice. And also why you're townreading Killjoy who also is claiming the exact same thing (belatedly).
I know, it's almost like I'm town. Crazy.
Hopefully when I get back here I'll find we haven't lost the game. C'mon town. You can do it. I believe in you.
Tubba (8): Az, GJ, Anak, KJ, Silver, BoomFrog, Wisp, Tammy
Az (5): Bur, HR, Bessie, Tubba, Sloth
BoomFrog (1): Cuth
Silver (1): GJ
Not Voting (2): Cantrip, Vaimes
Like Vaimes said recently and I said earlier, Tubba might be scum for that wagon on the end of D2.Boom could be scum too, but I'm less confident there given these wagons.
Actually Boom/Tubba/HR makes sense with that last wagon on d4.
Kay.
...so I was asking why you said Boom and Tubba can't be scum together, dude.
Either way, we're not yeeting Vaimes or you today. I guess I can get behind Tubba.
KJ, fact of the matter is we need to hit the vit thief or we probably just lose even if we hit mafia toDay.
Tubba's an OG witter - do you think he could be vit thief as well? I discarded that possibility as unlikely.
I also think it's HR, based on reasons I already stated.
@HR: I wasn't really around when the claims happened and didn't realize we claimed that.
Sloth: the theory came from Eve of day two where Tubba got 8 votes and Boom was three only unknown.
I guess that doesn't proclude then from being scum together. That night have been hasty.
It could be either. Even if Tubba is true claiming, he could have a ping in top. HR is probably the more likely of the two.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Stop. Saying that every time you're challenged.
You sound like a bratty 15-year-old screaming "YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ME!!!" to your parents before locking yourself up in your room and crying to your pillow while you Linkin Park CDs are on full blast.
True story.
There's a huge different between not reading and drawing reasonable conclusions based on your content - I'm doing the latter and the fact that you're the only person that seems to think I'm not should tell you how wrong you are:
Why would the mafia shoot you N3? You declared your role super transparently, If you are town the mafia knew your vit was high. Why waste a shot on you?
Probably because I posted this. (In response to you.)
My role ability allows me to turn into a sleeping dragon. While sleeping, my vit becomes 1, and I can only post a post that contains anything other than just a vote once every 24 hours. Once during each phase while slumbering, I can open up a communication link with a player that lasts up to 2 phases. While I'm asleep, any player who has such a communication link cannot have their role abilities blocked, redirected, or prevented.
Why would the mafia shoot you N3? You declared your role super transparently, If you are town the mafia knew your vit was high. Why waste a shot on you?
Probably because I posted this. (In response to you.)
The hell? HR are you reading posts?
You're being asked why mafia would shoot you N3 in light of the post you're referring to, where you state you have a lot of vit.
(1) Is your argument here that I didn't bother reading the post you literally link to in this post even though the content of my post shows I obviously did?
(2) This was already answered: You've made it clear all game, and explicitly stated D4, that you had disdain for your role and were never going to use it. You not liking the answer doesn't make it incorrect.
By not using my ability, I reduced the chances of the mafia winning. Had I used my ability and they pinged me, I would have died and it would be gg. Had I used my ability, it would be permanent, meaning I'd be at 1 vit for the rest of the game.
What do you mean by two towns with 1 vit? You and Cuth? You mean the loss of vit for you would have been permanent?
I saw that. I'm reacting to that entire post. Obviously I saw that.
I was following up on a potential contradiction that you had just made for yourself, and that should be obvious given the very next part of that quote you posted was me quoting your claim and accentuating the parts that were at odds for what you were saying.
It wasn't a "wait could he be saying this is permanent? Better ask!" it was a "he's saying it's permanent now? Every other time he talked about his claim suggested it was temporary. Did he just **** up?"
You answered that, and, again, I'm annoyed that I can't discard the possibility that it's the truth and Grape just needs to work on his wording, but it's not like without it you're innocent.
Although, HR: You just said it was a bad idea to kill me rn then said you'd vote me. Whats up with that?
Because if any town votes any other town, and refuses to move that vote, we're ****ed. It's LyLo. So if you're voting me and refusing to budge, then either you're mafia, in which case I should vote you, or you're town, in which case it doesn't even matter.
Again, maybe you're mafia, but I'd rather you live today.
What the hell does this mean? Why would you vote KJ if you think he's town? How does voting him at all do anything?
That's because what you said doesn't make ******* sense.
We're at LyLo. There's no self-pressing. You don't ******* vote another player on the high crime of voting you unless you actually think they're scum and "maybe you're mafia lol!" should not be an acceptable response to anyone.
You saying you'd rather vote KJ even though you think he's town at LyLo is ******* absurd, and you trying to point to a post where you "explain it" makes it even worse.
Everyone who thinks I'm mafia needs to justify why I got attacked by the mafia. Twice. And also why you're townreading Killjoy who also is claiming the exact same thing (belatedly).
Again, already talked about.
In the thread you claim to have spent all of the Day rereading. ToDay.
Sloth: the theory came from Eve of day two where Tubba got 8 votes and Boom was the* only unknown.
I guess that doesn't exclude*them* from being scum together. That might* have been hasty.
It could be either. Even if Tubba is true claiming, he could have a ping in top. HR is probably the more likely of the two.
For a second I was like "who the **** is Eve?" Phone posting? I corrected the typos to what I assume was your intended meaning - please let me know if I go anything wrong.
K on Tubba/Boom - yeah, I would call that super hasty. There's such a thing as bussing and it seems unlikely the entire scum team did not choose to do it for a partner that, for all intents and purposes, looked doomed. Wine is wine is wine is wine and all, but still.
Tubba is true claiming. He witted me - I had no reason to lie about that, specially with Wisp around when I outted it. I suppose he could be Witter and vit thief but that just doesn't seem to match in my head.
HR does fit though.
I'm good there, if we had more people to have a final discussion with, I'd have probably voted already.
Everyone who thinks I'm mafia needs to justify why I got attacked by the mafia. Twice. And also why you're townreading Killjoy who also is claiming the exact same thing (belatedly).
Again, already talked about.
In the thread you claim to have spent all of the Day rereading. ToDay.
Stop. Saying that every time you're challenged. [/quote]I'm not saying that every time I'm challenged. I'm saying that every time you ask me a question I've just answered.
Just go ahead and vote me so we can end this game.
@HR: I wasn't really around when the claims happened and didn't realize we claimed that.
There was a whole discussion about people losing vitality during the night. You can't have not realized we were talking about this.
The town still has a chance of winning if (A) you and Sloth are both mafia, or (B) you're town and you decide to do a double lynch, somehow manage to get everyone to coordinate with you, and manage to lynch me and another person who actually is mafia.
The odds of you actually doing this are pretty much non-existent, but I refuse to gamethrow, so, take that for what you will.
That's because what you said doesn't make ******* sense.
We're at LyLo. There's no self-pressing. You don't ******* vote another player on the high crime of voting you unless you actually think they're scum and "maybe you're mafia lol!" should not be an acceptable response to anyone.
You saying you'd rather vote KJ even though you think he's town at LyLo is ******* absurd, and you trying to point to a post where you "explain it" makes it even worse.
Why? Because the town might lose? It's LyLo! If any town misvotes, then the town loses! That's what LyLo means!
@HR: Do you think Sloth is scum for his analysis of you?
You know, Killjoy, you asked me this earlier, and I said Sloth posting terrible analysis was NAI, it neither meant that he was town nor mafia, either side could post bad analysis.
But, you know, call me crazy, because I was thinking about this as I was brushing my teeth - I have a hard time believing that mafia Killjoy would be so blatantly trying to square a circle like this in the open on the last day when he could just lay low and kill a person he knows is probably going to die anyway. I think Killjoy might well be town.
Which makes me wonder if it's really so simple as you, Sloth, and I - the three people who have a connection to the mafia vit stealer, two by target and one by claiming town version of the role - might really just all be town. Like, we might really have just been mech-cleared the entire time. Which would mean the mafia really was among Vaimes, Bur, Tubba, and BoomFrog the entire time.
That would make me kind of sad. Even more so if people are right and Bur is town, in which case it would have been Vaimes, Tubba, and BoomFrog as mafia.
I dunno if I believe that, but I think it would hurt if it would have been that simple the whole time.
But, you know, call me crazy, because I was thinking about this as I was brushing my teeth - I have a hard time believing that mafia Killjoy would be so blatantly trying to square a circle like this in the open on the last day when he could just lay low and kill a person he knows is probably going to die anyway. I think Killjoy might well be town.
Sorry, this should say "mafia Sloth" and "Sloth might well be town."
Beyond that, do you have other reads? Who's in your bottom 3? or top 3? (if you've gone over them in a recent post, just point me to it)
I’ve been trying to do a real reads list but I there has just been too much content and I never was even able to get back to the last half of D1. On my home site most complete games were around 20 pages or so, and I am usually behind even in small games. I don’t have any references from my home site easily available (but will try to find something if requested). Or there are some places where I was talking about my time constraints and problems with content overload in the games I linked earlier. https://smashboards.com/threads/flavorless-mafia-iii-game-over-who-won.501573/
Here’s my reads without doing a thread reread, I skimmed through D4 content as I wrote this.
Anak – I thought he was scummy yesterday and I ended the day with one of my votes on him. I still find him suspicious for his D4 content and would vote for him today.
BoomFrog – I have never been that good at reading BoomFrog but I haven’t had any major scum pings from him. The only ping I have is the odd comment he made in post #3602 about my push on Azrael. Like I said I wasn’t the only player pushing Azrael so I am suspicious as to why he pointed out why that was a negative for me in particular.
Bur – The thing that I previously found most suspicious about Bur was that he voted without giving reasons. I skilled him because I had a free skill, and he did explain some reads more in chat than he was doing in the thread. I still do not have a strong town lean but I am against voting for him today.
Cuthalion – He has been one of my scum reads since D2. He is voting for me without giving a reason that he can explain which I find suspicious. For more of my thoughts see my D4 posts.
Highroller – I can understand his content and his focus on Wisp.
Killjoy – I think he has produced consistently good content and I like his posting style.
Slothful – Another player that I think has produced consistently good content and I like his posting style.
Tammy – I was suspicious of her early game content for what seemed to me to be not taking strong positions on anything, like everything she posted had a disclaimer. Her playstyle is the type that I often clash with so that may be part of my early suspicion on her. I’m still not seeing why Tammy was obvitown early in the game but I think I was more suspicious of some players that I felt were too quick to defend Tammy without trying to understand what a player that had no prior experience with her found suspicious.
Tubba – I think I will stand by what I said previously, I don’t see the scum reads on Tubba. Maybe it is because his playstyle is more like mine, unlike someone like Tammy who’s playstyle is very different from mine.
Vaimes – I have been suspicious of Vaimes since D2, I often don’t follow his reads. Like, he started D4 voting for Cuth, but says it was just to provoke him to post. There was also this comment in post #3652: “I am trying to townread Cuth with peace in my heart.” Like he is trying to force this read.
Wisp – Self-claimed non-town.
Ending with content through page 76. I’ll pick up on page 77 later.
Also, this has been confusing me for a while, but I don’t see every post every time I load the page. Like, in one tab I have open, the first post on page 77 is #3802, but if I open page 77 in another tab I can’t see this post and the first post is #3803. This has happened other times too where I can’t see a particular post that I remember being at the top of a page. Is this an issue for anyone else?
One of Bessie's last posts with their read list.
After ISOing Bessie, I need few things.
Bessie and Tubba barely interacted.
Bessie and HR barely interacted.
Bessie and Vaimes did interact a lot. Bessie kept calling Vaimes scum for a good while, along with Cuth, Az and Anak.
I'm pretty sure Vaimes is town.
Bessie and Sloth interacted, but as much as with Vaimes, but more than with Tubba/HR.
The interactions weren't super meaningful, but I at least feel better about Sloth than HR/Tubba after this ISO.
Most of WMU/Bessie's interactions were with confirmed town (GJ, Az, Anak, Cuth) which is while Bessie interacting with Vaimes a lot makes me feel even better about Vaimes.
I'm fine with either Tubba or HR, though I'd prefer HR.
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Honestly, I'd say Highroller is scum just based on how he's been behaving toDay, the one Day where he's forced to have reads on other players.
But if we're [eventually] going to lose to scum!Tubba, I am putting my foot down on letting that slot survive LyLo, even if he isn't the vit thief. I'm not sold enough on Sloth being a villager to worry about his vitality - if he really were all that worried about surviving, I don't know why the **** he'd even bother targeting Boom.
But if we're [eventually] going to lose to scum!Tubba, I am putting my foot down on letting that slot survive LyLo, even if he isn't the vit thief. I'm not sold enough on Sloth being a villager to worry about his vitality - if he really were all that worried about surviving, I don't know why the **** he'd even bother targeting Boom.
@Bur
Is there more to your Vaimes read than Bessie interactions? It doesn’t seem to far fetched that she would bus a partner, especially one that was never in any real danger.
@KJ
Same question but with wagonomics replacing Bessie interactions?
Bit busy today, but should be around to vote/hammer whatever.
Are we consolidating?
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Why would you take Boom’s vitality, when it means taking you down to one? What were you hoping to achieve?
I guess we're no longer trying to avoid drawing attention to it. Sure, **** it, I really didn't think it was likely it wasn't noticed anyway
Honestly, I didn't expect us to end up in this position. I thought we would have hit at least one more scum and it wouldn't really matter if I get pinged - not to mention that back then my vit wasn't common knowledge and I even ended up having a neat gambit attempt for doc.
Plus I'm pretty sure this was the first time I got a KP, which I thought was cool and I really just wanted to use it to help us win.
Honestly, I'd say Highroller is scum just based on how he's been behaving toDay, the one Day where he's forced to have reads on other players.
Says the guy who had no reads yesterday?
Honestly, Anak being town ****ed with my head. I'm now in a spiral of constantly reading someone one way and then the other. Not to mention I'm the only one who believes I'm town and who understands that my death will lose us the game, so I could have all the evidence in the world that someone's mafia, and it won't matter if the town's too busy trying to kill someone the mafia targeted.
How in the hell are there no votes? What have you guys been doing?
Honestly, Anak being town ****ed with my head. I'm now in a spiral of constantly reading someone one way and then the other. Not to mention I'm the only one who believes I'm town and who understands that my death will lose us the game, so I could have all the evidence in the world that someone's mafia, and it won't matter if the town's too busy trying to kill someone the mafia targeted.
How in the hell are there no votes? What have you guys been doing?
Back in twelve hours or so.
I know there's one in Tubba/ Boom because wagons.
HR/Sloth/[Tubba/Boom] seems the most likely, and thats in order of confidence.
Bur is probably clear.
You never replied to my response on HR>Tubba.
Not sure what you mean by wagons?
Glad we have some common ground, but if this leads to D6 with the yeet falling on me I'm going to be super pissed, so I would like to resolve it now if possible.
Reads can evolve and change with the game state. It looked good at the time, less so now that the PoE has shrunk. I’ve also pointed out how that scenario benefits scum, and I’m not too proud to believe that keeping me was a difficult decision on the risk/reward scale in that scenario.
It’s not just that snapshot of the game anymore that’s the thing.
It’s more that it’s not necessarily good anymore comsiderimg game state, read progressions or the lack thereof, and possible trams.
Agsim, it feels like you’re not really trying to understand me, or at least reading my posts carefully. I feel like I’m covering the same ground and you just keep trying to poke holes in it.
There's one in Tubba/Boom.
Vaimes is town.
Bur is town.
I am town.
HR is scum.
Sloth is ??.
Do you think Tubba and Boom are scum together? I'm not gonna push you now, but that's my PoE right now. I'm still rereading, and the death tonight will make that narrower. Hopefully that's not me but, if it is... you guys are probably better at solving htan me.
That's the problem.
In fairness, to me it's between Boom/Vaimes.
No one has given a satisfactory reason why Vaimes can't be scum - and I've asked. Bur is apparently too busy to answer, and you rely entirely on Bessie, even though I've asked for literally anything outside of her. Meh.
Anyway, I'm exhausted. Night.
Like Vaimes said recently and I said earlier, Tubba might be scum for that wagon on the end of D2.Boom could be scum too, but I'm less confident there given these wagons.
Actually Boom/Tubba/HR makes sense with that last wagon on d4.
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Yet you still posted: (post 4328)
Post 4344:
Yet you still posted (Post 4398):
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Yet you still posted (Post 4444):
You're obviously not even reading my posts.
And it's one thing to miss stuff that happened previous days, it's another thing entirely to miss stuff that happened like the previous page, especially when your question has either been answered in a conversation to another person, or in a response directed right at you.
For all of your pretenses of analysis, you're not actually analyzing. You're posting attacks without even reading the very posts you're attacking, and you didn't even know how my role worked.
Are you even reading what I'm writing right now, or are you already in the process of typing out the next volley against this post, having not even read it?
Right now I wanna narrow down one scum. Then we can figure worlds from there.
I had it in my head that one of boom and Tubba was likely scum due to the last wagon day two. Vaimes made a good point that is more likely Tubba than boom because 95% town wagon.
It's not a good reason though.
Everyone who thinks I'm mafia needs to justify why I got attacked by the mafia. Twice. And also why you're townreading Killjoy who also is claiming the exact same thing (belatedly).
I know, it's almost like I'm town. Crazy.
Hopefully when I get back here I'll find we haven't lost the game. C'mon town. You can do it. I believe in you.
...so I was asking why you said Boom and Tubba can't be scum together, dude.
KJ, fact of the matter is we need to hit the vit thief or we probably just lose even if we hit mafia toDay.
Tubba's an OG witter - do you think he could be vit thief as well? I discarded that possibility as unlikely.
I also think it's HR, based on reasons I already stated.
Sloth: the theory came from Eve of day two where Tubba got 8 votes and Boom was three only unknown.
I guess that doesn't proclude then from being scum together. That night have been hasty.
It could be either. Even if Tubba is true claiming, he could have a ping in top. HR is probably the more likely of the two.
You sound like a bratty 15-year-old screaming "YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ME!!!" to your parents before locking yourself up in your room and crying to your pillow while you Linkin Park CDs are on full blast.
True story.
There's a huge different between not reading and drawing reasonable conclusions based on your content - I'm doing the latter and the fact that you're the only person that seems to think I'm not should tell you how wrong you are: (1) Is your argument here that I didn't bother reading the post you literally link to in this post even though the content of my post shows I obviously did?
(2) This was already answered: You've made it clear all game, and explicitly stated D4, that you had disdain for your role and were never going to use it. You not liking the answer doesn't make it incorrect.
I saw that. I'm reacting to that entire post. Obviously I saw that.
I was following up on a potential contradiction that you had just made for yourself, and that should be obvious given the very next part of that quote you posted was me quoting your claim and accentuating the parts that were at odds for what you were saying.
It wasn't a "wait could he be saying this is permanent? Better ask!" it was a "he's saying it's permanent now? Every other time he talked about his claim suggested it was temporary. Did he just **** up?"
You answered that, and, again, I'm annoyed that I can't discard the possibility that it's the truth and Grape just needs to work on his wording, but it's not like without it you're innocent.
That's because what you said doesn't make ******* sense.
We're at LyLo. There's no self-pressing. You don't ******* vote another player on the high crime of voting you unless you actually think they're scum and "maybe you're mafia lol!" should not be an acceptable response to anyone.
You saying you'd rather vote KJ even though you think he's town at LyLo is ******* absurd, and you trying to point to a post where you "explain it" makes it even worse.
Again, already talked about.
In the thread you claim to have spent all of the Day rereading. ToDay.
K on Tubba/Boom - yeah, I would call that super hasty. There's such a thing as bussing and it seems unlikely the entire scum team did not choose to do it for a partner that, for all intents and purposes, looked doomed. Wine is wine is wine is wine and all, but still.
Tubba is true claiming. He witted me - I had no reason to lie about that, specially with Wisp around when I outted it. I suppose he could be Witter and vit thief but that just doesn't seem to match in my head.
HR does fit though.
I'm good there, if we had more people to have a final discussion with, I'd have probably voted already.
Just go ahead and vote me so we can end this game.
The town still has a chance of winning if (A) you and Sloth are both mafia, or (B) you're town and you decide to do a double lynch, somehow manage to get everyone to coordinate with you, and manage to lynch me and another person who actually is mafia.
The odds of you actually doing this are pretty much non-existent, but I refuse to gamethrow, so, take that for what you will.
Why? Because the town might lose? It's LyLo! If any town misvotes, then the town loses! That's what LyLo means!
You know, Killjoy, you asked me this earlier, and I said Sloth posting terrible analysis was NAI, it neither meant that he was town nor mafia, either side could post bad analysis.
But, you know, call me crazy, because I was thinking about this as I was brushing my teeth - I have a hard time believing that mafia Killjoy would be so blatantly trying to square a circle like this in the open on the last day when he could just lay low and kill a person he knows is probably going to die anyway. I think Killjoy might well be town.
Which makes me wonder if it's really so simple as you, Sloth, and I - the three people who have a connection to the mafia vit stealer, two by target and one by claiming town version of the role - might really just all be town. Like, we might really have just been mech-cleared the entire time. Which would mean the mafia really was among Vaimes, Bur, Tubba, and BoomFrog the entire time.
That would make me kind of sad. Even more so if people are right and Bur is town, in which case it would have been Vaimes, Tubba, and BoomFrog as mafia.
I dunno if I believe that, but I think it would hurt if it would have been that simple the whole time.
Mostly just posting this for the reveal.
One of Bessie's last posts with their read list.
After ISOing Bessie, I need few things.
Bessie and Tubba barely interacted.
Bessie and HR barely interacted.
Bessie and Vaimes did interact a lot. Bessie kept calling Vaimes scum for a good while, along with Cuth, Az and Anak.
I'm pretty sure Vaimes is town.
Bessie and Sloth interacted, but as much as with Vaimes, but more than with Tubba/HR.
The interactions weren't super meaningful, but I at least feel better about Sloth than HR/Tubba after this ISO.
Most of WMU/Bessie's interactions were with confirmed town (GJ, Az, Anak, Cuth) which is while Bessie interacting with Vaimes a lot makes me feel even better about Vaimes.
I'm fine with either Tubba or HR, though I'd prefer HR.
There is so much resistance to finalizing a vote on Tubba even though I think he's in literally everyone's PoE [except maybe Killjoy].
Five hours left, I'm here and ready to vote whenever.
But if we're [eventually] going to lose to scum!Tubba, I am putting my foot down on letting that slot survive LyLo, even if he isn't the vit thief. I'm not sold enough on Sloth being a villager to worry about his vitality - if he really were all that worried about surviving, I don't know why the **** he'd even bother targeting Boom.
Although I will be annoyed if his scum strategy was "lol I'm not rereading in LyLo."
Are we consolidating?
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Is there more to your Vaimes read than Bessie interactions? It doesn’t seem to far fetched that she would bus a partner, especially one that was never in any real danger.
@KJ
Same question but with wagonomics replacing Bessie interactions?
Honestly, I didn't expect us to end up in this position. I thought we would have hit at least one more scum and it wouldn't really matter if I get pinged - not to mention that back then my vit wasn't common knowledge and I even ended up having a neat gambit
attemptfor doc.Plus I'm pretty sure this was the first time I got a KP, which I thought was cool and I really just wanted to use it to help us win.
Honestly, Anak being town ****ed with my head. I'm now in a spiral of constantly reading someone one way and then the other. Not to mention I'm the only one who believes I'm town and who understands that my death will lose us the game, so I could have all the evidence in the world that someone's mafia, and it won't matter if the town's too busy trying to kill someone the mafia targeted.
How in the hell are there no votes? What have you guys been doing?
Vote Tubba. This seems the only path forward.
No. No you did not. Because we said it constantly.
Who's around now?
I'm around.
But my alignment aside, HR last said I "might well be town", so from his perspective this is a bad town choice.
Vote: HR
Highroller today, Vaimes tomorrow!