KJ, Vaimes, Sloth, Tammy are off the table. There's at most one deep wild in there but shooting in that pile is foolish and paranoid.
I like KJ's suggestion to yeet witted. If we try to use Wisp and he is RBed (or claims RBed we end up in this game bad situation again. That takes Bessie, Bur (and me) off the table.
Leaving: Anak, Tubba, Cuth, HR, as valid yeets. And, that's where all the votes are, so yay me, I'm up to speed.
Anak is not wolf with: Sloth, HR and probably not Tubba based on D2 votes.
Tubba is not wolf with: Cuth, Anak
HR is not wolf with: Wisp, Anak
Cuth is not wolf with: Bessie, Tubba
If this was LYLO and Anak, Sloth and HR are town then scum could have speed yeeted Anak. But this probably isn't guaranteed LYLO due to night action complications so they probably can't be 100% blatent.
Anak's Vit granting has to be real, Azreal claimed Vit gain D1. If Anak is scum that's a very strange role to have. Blindly using a one-shot power early D1 is a bonkers move for a townie to make, it feels more like he was trying to get town credit.
Tubba is a tuber. (No insult intended, but I couldn't resist) However, I take it from people's reads that this is normal for him. He seems like yeet-bait and the fact that Cuth and Anak are both pushing there has me wary.
Cuth had been planning his claim since D2. The righteous indignation about that we should have known he was claiming Vig feels real. I don't like that he said he's vote voting Sloth because there's resistance to the yeet there. A townie mindset is to push your scum reads especially if there's resistance there.
HR's role is too complicated to be fake but could be a mod provided game claim. But I can see why town him wouldn't want to use it after getting pinged for 1 Vit N1. His single mindedness could have been blinding but he's still evaluating people outside of Wisp as shown by his ready alternate votes. HR was on the Azreal wagon D2. I think there's only two scum in these four and it's either exactly Anak/Cuth or it's Tubba/HR. And it's way more likely to be the first two. Of the two I think Cuth's more likely (and more dangerous since he really probably does get some bonus for correctly predicting the yeet).
The thing that still wigs me out is that we've seen no evidence of a roleblocker yet, and I might just be paranoid because I won a scum game once by investing a role blocker on day four when I ****ed up a claim. (My predecessor fake claimed watcher and I got my results wrong upon replace in). I know big difference here, but all I remember from that game is town being yelled at for letting the fake roleblocker claim slip.
I'm mostly just putting this here as a way of trying to let this go because every time I think about Cuth and the claim, I think about this.
Sloth - I'm trying to find where you gave the reasons you stole vit from Boomfrog but in your claim post you just said "for reasons already stated" and I'm trying to find the reasons but I'm not finding them.
Too many confirmed protective roles running around, with Az confirmed town - though that number has only increased since. I talk about it in more detail here:
@Sloth, Why did you scum read me last Night? Do you still scum read me?
Residual thoughts from D1 and early D2. I gave you a lot of slack after your claim and honestly didn't think of you much until the Az flip.
I talked about this before, but with rhand and az both confirmed as town and as JK and BP respectively, we had way too many protective roles in the game by including a bodyguard - and this was before the confirmation of a Doctor with no obvious drawbacks to their protection.
I had mentioned to Tammy my intention to shoot one of these protective roles unless she had better suggestions, she didn't. With Az flipping town, I just shot my shot 'cause why not.
Then D4 started and you were alive, and Anak claimed his bizarre claim (in a game where you die by losing vit, any role that gives vit is protection of a sort). Like, at least one of you has to be telling the truth, which means this game has, by my count, 4.5 protectives (.5 being Silver). The alternative is that both you and Anak are scummates and fakeclaiming and somehow chose to fakeclaim a similar type of role for...reasons.
So, this ties back to what I told Bur just above: I'm kind of taking role conflicts out of consideration unless we're talking about two players counterclaiming the exact same role.
I've also kind of liked your posts toDay, all in all. You seem lackadaisical and unbothered by all of this - btw, do you not care you're down vit?
I'm considering the issue of too many protectives too.
We are missing someone getting vit also. Night one both Cuth (from silver) and Azrael (claimed from anak) got vit. And night three Vaimes got vit (probably from Cantripmancer) but there should be another time that someone got vit from Cantrip, shouldn't there? I was assuming he used his role night one and gave it to Azrael, didn't use it night two because out of vit, and used it again night three once we gained vit.
We do know that Cuth did not take an action night one, which means that he didn't kill or roleblock though if he's scum he could be making that up and maybe he's a mafia vig sure.
Can we not wait until the very last second to secure a yeet? I'll be driving for the 30 mins before deadline.
Vote: Cuth
Willing to switch to Anak.
Didn't you make a whole point about shooting witted?
Isn't cuth one of the only players not witted?
You could also just vote Anak and drive the wagon forward instead of creating a tie.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I think I like the plan of voting out Anak [or Tubba] and having Cuth holster if he's a miss. We go into Night with 6v-4w and scum only win if they land the NK and snipe someone with 1 vitality.
Any town PRs whose ability would bring them to 1 should also take no action imo.
I don't know that town!Sloth implies scum!Cuth. It's not like we don't have a shortage of protective claims running around. If Tammy is town, does that mean you're mafia?
I don't know that town!Sloth implies scum!Cuth. It's not like we don't have a shortage of protective claims running around. If Tammy is town, does that mean you're mafia?
I don't know that town!Sloth implies scum!Cuth. It's not like we don't have a shortage of protective claims running around. If Tammy is town, does that mean you're mafia?
I can't find where he said that. I know he skilled Vaimes at end of day, but I'm not seeing where he says he witted Cuth.
Az wanted to run some sort of gambit about lying about his wit target; I mentioned it briefly in the game thread if you ISO me. But yeah according to our skill chat, he definitely witted Cuth.
I can't find where he said that. I know he skilled Vaimes at end of day, but I'm not seeing where he says he witted Cuth.
Az wanted to run some sort of gambit about lying about his wit target; I mentioned it briefly in the game thread if you ISO me. But yeah according to our skill chat, he definitely witted Cuth.
Ah okay, thanks! I haven't read a huge chunk of today's posts.
I think I like the plan of voting out Anak [or Tubba] and having Cuth holster if he's a miss. We go into Night with 6v-4w and scum only win if they land the NK and snipe someone with 1 vitality.
Any town PRs whose ability would bring them to 1 should also take no action imo.
Vote Anak
We can't call the shots like this. If we stick to this plan Tammy gets RBed and I get snipped. If Cuth is town he should privately decide so mafia are forced to RB him again.
I might need to go out again for a few minutes but I’m mostly here until deadline.
Some thoughts on the latest content.
I don’t think that NL is a good idea, it just means we likely have the same discussions on D5 that we are having today.
I’m against voting Bur today. I still want to eliminate Cuthalion and I don’t see why he is getting townreads. He refused to answer questions and explain his votes.
Did Bur explain his strong town read of Anak? [see post 3937, is it Anak’s claim?]
Az (8): Highroller, Sloth, Bur, Bessie, Wisp, KJ, Vaimes, Tammy
Tubba (4): Cuth, Bur, Wisp, KJ
Wisp (3): Highroller, BoomFrog , Az
Anak (3): Bessie, Sloth, Tammy
Cuth (2): Az, BoomFrog
Bur (1): Anak
Sloth (1): Cuth
Highroller (1): Anak
BoomFrog (1): Vaimes
Not Voting (2): Cantrip, Tubba
That is majority. Az has been condemned. Please stop posting while I post the end of day.
Vaimes is right there almost has to be scum on Azrael's wagon. Cuth/Boom/Anak/Tubba are the only ones off wagon and I doubt the entire scum team abstained.
Your question is dumb because it has literally no bearing on anyone's alignment. Zero.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModN1 no one
N2 GJ
N3 Boom
Mysterious mafia Vit pinger:
N1 Highroller
N2 KJ
N3 Highroller
I'm mostly just putting this here as a way of trying to let this go because every time I think about Cuth and the claim, I think about this.
Sloth - Why did you vit steal from boom again?
Vote: Cuth
Willing to switch to Anak.
Anak (3): Sloth, Wisp, HR,
Tubba (1): Cuth (3928)
Cuth (3): Tubba, Bessie (3923), BoomFrog (this post)
HR (1): Anak (3939)
Not Voting (4): Bur, Tammy, KJ, Vaimes
With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to reach majority.
I'm considering the issue of too many protectives too.
We are missing someone getting vit also. Night one both Cuth (from silver) and Azrael (claimed from anak) got vit. And night three Vaimes got vit (probably from Cantripmancer) but there should be another time that someone got vit from Cantrip, shouldn't there? I was assuming he used his role night one and gave it to Azrael, didn't use it night two because out of vit, and used it again night three once we gained vit.
I don't know.
Isn't cuth one of the only players not witted?
You could also just vote Anak and drive the wagon forward instead of creating a tie.
In case I don't make it back in time to do more
Any town PRs whose ability would bring them to 1 should also take no action imo.
Vote Anak
Unless he flips Mafia Ninja lel.
I can't find where he said that. I know he skilled Vaimes at end of day, but I'm not seeing where he says he witted Cuth.
lol get out of my brain!
Anak (5): Sloth, Wisp, HR, KJ, Vaimes
Cuth (3): Tubba, Bessie (3923), BoomFrog
Tubba (1): Cuth (3928)
HR (1): Anak (3939)
Not Voting (2): Bur, Tammy
With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to reach majority.
Ah okay, thanks! I haven't read a huge chunk of today's posts.
Do not yeet until ready.
Though to be honest, I'm ready.
Lol, if we yeet Cuth and I'm wrong I auto die...
Apologies.
Some thoughts on the latest content.
I don’t think that NL is a good idea, it just means we likely have the same discussions on D5 that we are having today.
I’m against voting Bur today. I still want to eliminate Cuthalion and I don’t see why he is getting townreads. He refused to answer questions and explain his votes.
Did Bur explain his strong town read of Anak? [see post 3937, is it Anak’s claim?]
Anak (6): Sloth, Wisp, HR, KJ, Vaimes, Tammy
Cuthalion (3): Tubba, Bessie, Boom
Tubba (1): Cuth
HR (1): Anak
Not Voting (1): Bur
With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to reach majority.
The day ends Monday the 25th at 0900 AEDT. Timer
Updated with Anak's vote.
Meh.
Should we just call it?
@Cuth, if Wisp doesn't immediately disappear here then shoot him dead in the face.
@Anak, Sorry if your are town here.
Vote Anak
Vaimes is right there almost has to be scum on Azrael's wagon. Cuth/Boom/Anak/Tubba are the only ones off wagon and I doubt the entire scum team abstained.
Tubba didn't vote at all yesterday?
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModAnd for change, I agree with Boom: If Wisp doesn't disappear EoD, feel free to aim all vig shots etc at him.