KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Anak (3): Sloth, Wisp, HR,
Tubba (1): Cuth (3928)
Cuth (2): Tubba, Bessie (3923)
HR (1): Anak (3939)
Not Voting (5): Bur, BoomFrog, Tammy, KJ, Vaimes
With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to reach majority.
This is based on Sloth's vote count but I'm pretty sure it was wrong since I know I was voting Bur. Unless Grape didn't count my vote for some reason. Anyway:
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Don't take the above as reliable, I did it on my phone. But I think I gotta it right.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I mean, both HR and Cuth claimed that they've lost 1 Vit N3, right?
Which means either one of them is lying or there's another Vit stealer.
Which means that there's scum controlled Vit stealer and Sloth is town. And HR is town since scum stole his Vit. Cuth can be any alignment.
Or that one of HR/Cuth is lying. And at least one of HR/Sloth is scum, since like I mentioned if both of them are town, there's a hidden scum Vit stealer.
Town!HR scum!Sloth scum!Cuth makes absolutely no sense.
Town!HR scum!Sloth town!Cuth makes even less sense.
Scum!HR town!Sloth town!Cuth makes some sense at sense.
Scum!HR town!Sloth scum!Cuth is technically possible bit but means two scum decided to create a dichotomy between themselves.
And then there's
Scum!HR scum!Sloth scum!Cuth which, ugh, is technically possible bit a weird dichotomy play from scum.
Scum!HR scum!Sloth town!Cuth means HR decided to thunderdome town Cuth
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Sloth: why don't you think the bickering excludes them? You think it could be theatre?
Not necessarily. The bickering could be real or it could not, nothing indicates it one way or another for me, so it doesn't lean towards either option.
Looking back on it, do you find any part of it not to be surface level?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I don't mean offense, but this is a game with rules. You sign up for it, you agree to adhere to the spirit of the game. If you're not, what are you doing?
At best, you're playing in bad faith and it's annoying.
At worst, you give people more ammo to misread you and **** up.
Simple as that. Wisp knows I love him regardless, but I hate how he's played a unique role this game.
But again, I promised myself I would save this for post-game - apologies.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Though even if it comes to that, I'm not going to vote Anak, even if it means no yeet.
However, there's one thing that's bothering me. As I was combing the thread and rereading things, I noticed that HR lost vit N1 (like Vaimes just brought up). However, after we claimed today, HR hasn't even mentioned it once today.
Which is especially weird after Sloth claimed that they take away vitality and claimed that they didn't use their ability N1.
KJ also bring up now that he lost vit N2 is weird and not worrisome.
You would no yeet over Anak?
This...does not match your behavior in the neighborhood and end of day yesterday at all. You were getting pretty annoyed that people were unvoting Azrael and were getting after the idea of people worrying about being wrong. Your entire frustration yesterday makes no sense with you saying you'll allow a no meet today.
Though even if it comes to that, I'm not going to vote Anak, even if it means no yeet.
However, there's one thing that's bothering me. As I was combing the thread and rereading things, I noticed that HR lost vit N1 (like Vaimes just brought up). However, after we claimed today, HR hasn't even mentioned it once today.
Which is especially weird after Sloth claimed that they take away vitality and claimed that they didn't use their ability N1.
KJ also bring up now that he lost vit N2 is weird and not worrisome.
You would no yeet over Anak?
This...does not match your behavior in the neighborhood and end of day yesterday at all. You were getting pretty annoyed that people were unvoting Azrael and were getting after the idea of people worrying about being wrong. Your entire frustration yesterday makes no sense with you saying you'll allow a no meet today.
I mean, I hate no-yeeting, but if I had to pick between yeeting off you or no yeet, I'd pick no yeet.
Same thing with Anak.
I'm not encouraging us to no yeet, but I stated that if I had to pick the between these two options, you know what option I'd choose.
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@Everyone currently townreading Cuth
Why? I get that he’s an uncountered Vig claim, but other than that, where’s the townie? Like to the point that Vaimes wants to put the game in his hands?
@Bur
Does your ability work if you Skill someone? Or do they have to target you?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
A-hem.
Vaimes, are we reading the same game? Despite his current situation, there's been resistance and alternatives to an Anak yeet that have been pushed forward all freaking Day, to the point I have noticed, and you know how little I give a ***** about other people.
In what world do you see this as the yeet just being "de factor" i.e. "people just allowing it to happen" / "generally accepted" ///// "Cool with scum?"
I'm serious, you've been saying a lot of bs toDay specially, but this is the ghost with the most. Explain yourself.
Ok, why on god's green earth do I have three separate people making noise at me about something so obvious.
Just because there's a vote spread doesn't mean Anak isn't the de-facto wagon. He is, and has been, every since people started linking him to Azrael. Az died hard-defending Anak, and we spent most of the time after that going "but is Anak actually town tho?" Do you think we're going to consolidate somewhere else?
It's not just the vote spread, is the thread content of people coming out of the woodwork and suggesting alternative wagons.
It's also people ignoring me when I ask for solid reasons why they aren't voting Anak.
It's the timing of how they're showing up, with a larger increase in the latter half of the day. And another player (hem hem) acting like the yeet is a foregone conclusion and implanting doubt after what happened to Az when this wagon evolved in a completely different way.
None of this is super hard to observe, and it does in fact show that we have no "de facto" yeet right now - in fact, we're looking at more of a divide now with one player talking about a NL.
@Cuth so should I just assume you're ignoring me, or...?
SLOTH!!!!
Not especially, I don't know. My ideal situation might be to just yeet one of the og wits but have wisp not on the wagon and then have him kill the other so we guaranteed get a wolf if we think that's a thing, but I don't know if enough people are around to coordinate that.
I mean that I've asked you questions you just haven't answered or even acknowledged.
yes, because they're either things I've explained already or things that require a lot of work to explain
which doesn't look like it's going to happen today
Sure.
I'm not going to push on this too hard because it's too close to RL-questioning for comfort, but it does seem disingenuous: You did have plenty of time to at least try to answer my important questions in the literal days you've had since I asked them. Especially since you took the time to answer others.
Honest to God, I can't make a better case for HR to be scum than this. This entire time he was operating off an assumption, then decided to confirm it four days into the game? Like why? What made him do that now?
Probably for the same reason none of you asked Grape the same question.
Can't speak for others but the reason I didn't ask was because it wasn't a relevant train of thought and I wasn't basing my entire pursuit on it.
If there was any reasonable way to assume that was cuth vaimes was talking to then the roleblocked might be real and they might have been protecting bur?
I don’t want to assume too much about the existence of the roleblocker, but I did check if we’d get our bit refunded if roleblocked and as long as I understand the response properly we do.
So you're thinking the RB, if they exist, can only be Vaimes (maybe Bur)?
I don't think Vaimes mentions Cuth at all in any of his hints, nor does he actually acknowledge the existence of a vig (beyond his 'imma shoot this guy' comments).
Also, you're doing fine. I'm glad you didn't replace out. The content you're giving despite your situation is as solid as the rest of us honestly.
You're coming on the second week right? That usually means you're almost out of the woods! Good luck!
No, I was trying to identify how many people knew or could have deduced that cuth skilled vaimes because Vaimes’ end of day “don’t touch bur” meant that vaimes knew someone who could take vit/was the vig.
I’ve been trying to work out how likely his claim is because his play really wasn’t really vig like and we haven’t had evidence of a role blocker so far, and why would they have roleblocked cuth.
But his refunding of the vit for being roleblocked checks out. And someone recognized vaimes statement at the end of the day to mean that he knew the vig/ vit thief then they would have had to narrow down who skilled vaimes. If it was public that cuth skilled vaimes yesterday then never mind on my rabbit hole but if it wasn’t public then the people who knew look suspicious.
Where bur came into it was that I couldn’t remember if bur knew about cuth and vaimes statement at end of day signified that bur was in danger maybe.
So you are saying what I said then? Asaik, the information cuth skilled vaimes was not public, so it's only bur and vaimes.
Bur knew there was a vig, but did not know it was cuth - according to Vaimes, he guessed it might have been Cantrip, which Vaimes brought up as odd given Cantrip died N3.
Can you explain what you meant by the bolded? Did you get blocked and/or refunded vit at one point?
BoomFrog progression on Anak:
> has Iso in his bottom "unsorted" pile
> next mention: I like that [Iso/Anak] stuck his neck out defending Azreal
> talking about Wisp targets: Then hit HR. Cause the other two [Anak/Az] are probably town.
> asks Anak a bunch of questions about his claim/role. I kind of like it? Seems like they aren't knowingly aligned, with the "are you still losing vit to Azrael??" questions, wanting to wait for Anak to clarify things before moving discussion along
> and I like how he transitions to "Anak should be hunting scum among the witters to get rid of Wisp instead of rolling over," it's a good point
> starts scumreading Anak, but doubts it a bit after Tammy claims doctor
> goes back to being confident Anak is scum, but votes Bur to use Wisp killing Anak as a secondary yeet
Overall I actually think I like Boom. His readswitch on Anak post-claim feels organic, and if he's w/w with Anak then he's ruining the towncred Anak had via Azrael but also not even pushing to yeet Anak, which seems like a really weird line of play for mafia.
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I guess that eliminates the Best-Case Scenario, which sucks because the idea of immediately snuffing out half of the mafia team after a horrible game had me on cloud nine.
The last bit is problematic though right? Not lynching someone with wit so that wisp could take out anak, means we pretty much lose this game if the lynch and wit target is town, right? We have 12 now. If say Bur, Anak are town we're down to 10, wisp leaves we're down to 9. The night kill puts us at 8, so if we're at 4 mafia we lose with a successful night kill and certainly so if Cuth is telling the truth and shoots town as well.
If my math is right, and it could be completely wrong, I **** up endgame math all the time, we have to yeet Anak today in order to even have a chance at winning the game no matter what his alignment is. We're at 12? We lose Anak, wisp and the nightkill which will put us at 9 tomorrow if we're they're all town. And if Anak is town, Cuth should holster.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but for the vit drains we have
Night 1: Highroller only
Night 2: GJ only
Night 3: Highroller and BoomFrog
If Night 3 was the first instance of two people claiming it, a possible and simple explanation is that Sloth/BoomFrog are just scum together. Otherwise scum would have to be using their vit drain on their NK targets but randomly decided to target a living person on Night 3. And I don't think BoomFrog's role is such a threat that they needed to steal from him.
I got drained n2 as well.
Well, I think I did anyway. I lost a vit and have no idea why.
Dude, what?
Why did it took you this long to reveal this?
Erm. This kind of puts a wedge on a theory I was considering?
If there was any reasonable way to assume that was cuth vaimes was talking to then the roleblocked might be real and they might have been protecting bur?
I don’t want to assume too much about the existence of the roleblocker, but I did check if we’d get our bit refunded if roleblocked and as long as I understand the response properly we do.
So you're thinking the RB, if they exist, can only be Vaimes (maybe Bur)?
I don't think Vaimes mentions Cuth at all in any of his hints, nor does he actually acknowledge the existence of a vig (beyond his 'imma shoot this guy' comments).
Also, you're doing fine. I'm glad you didn't replace out. The content you're giving despite your situation is as solid as the rest of us honestly.
You're coming on the second week right? That usually means you're almost out of the woods! Good luck!
No, I was trying to identify how many people knew or could have deduced that cuth skilled vaimes because Vaimes’ end of day “don’t touch bur” meant that vaimes knew someone who could take vit/was the vig.
I’ve been trying to work out how likely his claim is because his play really wasn’t really vig like and we haven’t had evidence of a role blocker so far, and why would they have roleblocked cuth.
But his refunding of the vit for being roleblocked checks out. And someone recognized vaimes statement at the end of the day to mean that he knew the vig/ vit thief then they would have had to narrow down who skilled vaimes. If it was public that cuth skilled vaimes yesterday then never mind on my rabbit hole but if it wasn’t public then the people who knew look suspicious.
Where bur came into it was that I couldn’t remember if bur knew about cuth and vaimes statement at end of day signified that bur was in danger maybe.
So you are saying what I said then? Asaik, the information cuth skilled vaimes was not public, so it's only bur and vaimes.
Bur knew there was a vig, but did not know it was cuth - according to Vaimes, he guessed it might have been Cantrip, which Vaimes brought up as odd given Cantrip died N3.
Can you explain what you meant by the bolded? Did you get blocked and/or refunded vit at one point?
No, I asked. I wondered if my morning feedback meant that if we got role blocked we might not lose our vitality, so I asked. If our action fails due to a roleblock then we get our vitality back, but we don't if it fails for certain other reasons.
Vaimes - Can you answer if you publicly stated that Cuth skilled you?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but for the vit drains we have
Night 1: Highroller only
Night 2: GJ only
Night 3: Highroller and BoomFrog
If Night 3 was the first instance of two people claiming it, a possible and simple explanation is that Sloth/BoomFrog are just scum together. Otherwise scum would have to be using their vit drain on their NK targets but randomly decided to target a living person on Night 3. And I don't think BoomFrog's role is such a threat that they needed to steal from him.
I got drained n2 as well.
Well, I think I did anyway. I lost a vit and have no idea why.
Dude, what?
Why did it took you this long to reveal this?
Erm. This kind of puts a wedge on a theory I was considering?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Though even if it comes to that, I'm not going to vote Anak, even if it means no yeet.
However, there's one thing that's bothering me. As I was combing the thread and rereading things, I noticed that HR lost vit N1 (like Vaimes just brought up). However, after we claimed today, HR hasn't even mentioned it once today.
Which is especially weird after Sloth claimed that they take away vitality and claimed that they didn't use their ability N1.
KJ also bring up now that he lost vit N2 is weird and not worrisome.
You would no yeet over Anak?
This...does not match your behavior in the neighborhood and end of day yesterday at all. You were getting pretty annoyed that people were unvoting Azrael and were getting after the idea of people worrying about being wrong. Your entire frustration yesterday makes no sense with you saying you'll allow a no meet today.
I mean, I hate no-yeeting, but if I had to pick between yeeting off you or no yeet, I'd pick no yeet.
Same thing with Anak.
I'm not encouraging us to no yeet, but I stated that if I had to pick the between these two options, you know what option I'd choose.
How are Anak and Tammy comparable?
The only thing I remember you having for Anak was that weird bit about Iso's response to the CC flip, which I addressed and you didn't respond to.
No, I asked. I wondered if my morning feedback meant that if we got role blocked we might not lose our vitality, so I asked. If our action fails due to a roleblock then we get our vitality back, but we don't if it fails for certain other reasons.
Vaimes - Can you answer if you publicly stated that Cuth skilled you?
I don't think I did, Cuth was the one who claimed it.
No, I asked. I wondered if my morning feedback meant that if we got role blocked we might not lose our vitality, so I asked. If our action fails due to a roleblock then we get our vitality back, but we don't if it fails for certain other reasons.
Vaimes - Can you answer if you publicly stated that Cuth skilled you?
I don't think I did, Cuth was the one who claimed it.
Oh it was public knowledge. I just found where Cuth publicly claimed to have skilled you yesterday.
KJ, Vaimes, Sloth, Tammy are off the table. There's at most one deep wild in there but shooting in that pile is foolish and paranoid. I like KJ's suggestion to yeet witted. If we try to use Wisp and he is RBed (or claims RBed we end up in this game bad situation again. That takes Bessie, Bur (and me) off the table. Leaving: Anak, Tubba, Cuth, HR, as valid yeets. And, that's where all the votes are, so yay me, I'm up to speed. Anak is not wolf with: Sloth, HR and probably not Tubba based on D2 votes. Tubba is not wolf with: Cuth, Anak HR is not wolf with: Wisp, Anak Cuth is not wolf with: Bessie, Tubba If this was LYLO and Anak, Sloth and HR are town then scum could have speed yeeted Anak. But this probably isn't guaranteed LYLO due to night action complications so they probably can't be 100% blatent. Anak's Vit granting has to be real, Azreal claimed Vit gain D1. If Anak is scum that's a very strange role to have. Blindly using a one-shot power early D1 is a bonkers move for a townie to make, it feels more like he was trying to get town credit. Tubba is a tuber. (No insult intended, but I couldn't resist) However, I take it from people's reads that this is normal for him. He seems like yeet-bait and the fact that Cuth and Anak are both pushing there has me wary. Cuth had been planning his claim since D2. The righteous indignation about that we should have known he was claiming Vig feels real. I don't like that he said he's vote voting Sloth because there's resistance to the yeet there. A townie mindset is to push your scum reads especially if there's resistance there. HR's role is too complicated to be fake but could be a mod provided game claim. But I can see why town him wouldn't want to use it after getting pinged for 1 Vit N1. His single mindedness could have been blinding but he's still evaluating people outside of Wisp as shown by his ready alternate votes. HR was on the Azreal wagon D2. I think there's only two scum in these four and it's either exactly Anak/Cuth or it's Tubba/HR. And it's way more likely to be the first two. Of the two I think Cuth's more likely (and more dangerous since he really probably does get some bonus for correctly predicting the yeet). I'm ready to vote either of them.
Nobody will deny that Cuth isn't obviously being toxic with his playstyle tho
life has been taxing
i want to fully catch up and start playing again
but i'm not there yet
and in the meantime i've at least been trying to play the game mechanically if nothing else
i've claimed more in detail to vaimes (at the start of the day via free skill)
i also explained how my role target works
again, i selected boom at the start of yesterday and pushed a bit there because while there was zero reason not to yeet him getting pro-town mechanical things from it was +ev; obviously i didn't want to yeet him as of eod2
i feel bad for not being here more and doing more and all, and i would never intentionally do this
but at the same time it's where i'm at right now, and please forgive me for that
Okay sorry. I accidentally got a non-latin character space in there and had to put the post through some translator to get it postable and I lost the formatting. Let me fix that.
@Everyone currently townreading Cuth
Why? I get that he’s an uncountered Vig claim, but other than that, where’s the townie? Like to the point that Vaimes wants to put the game in his hands?
@Bur
Does your ability work if you Skill someone? Or do they have to target you?
My passive neighbouring ability triggers only if I'm targeted by someone else.
@Sloth: Tammy and Anak are both my town reads. I'm not yeeting Tammy the same way I'm not yeeting Anak.
@Tammy: No, we still have the option of voting someone else off, we don't lose as long as the voted person was Witted and Wisp participates in voting.
And ugh, I forgot about KJ.
Which makes things difficult.
Either there's hidden mafia Vit pinger OR scum team has to be something like KJ/Sloth/HR...
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Me or HR?
Anak (3): Sloth, Wisp, HR,
Tubba (1): Cuth (3928)
Cuth (2): Tubba, Bessie (3923)
HR (1): Anak (3939)
Not Voting (5): Bur, BoomFrog, Tammy, KJ, Vaimes
With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to reach majority.
This is based on Sloth's vote count but I'm pretty sure it was wrong since I know I was voting Bur. Unless Grape didn't count my vote for some reason. Anyway:
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Don't take the above as reliable, I did it on my phone. But I think I gotta it right.
I don't think it's because he's scum, honestly.
It's because he hates playing 3rder so much he just decided to be town.
Honestly, oog, I find it pretty annoying and plan to yell at him about it post-game.
IG, works for me lol.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModWhich means either one of them is lying or there's another Vit stealer.
Which means that there's scum controlled Vit stealer and Sloth is town. And HR is town since scum stole his Vit. Cuth can be any alignment.
Or that one of HR/Cuth is lying. And at least one of HR/Sloth is scum, since like I mentioned if both of them are town, there's a hidden scum Vit stealer.
Town!HR scum!Sloth scum!Cuth makes absolutely no sense.
Town!HR scum!Sloth town!Cuth makes even less sense.
Scum!HR town!Sloth town!Cuth makes some sense at sense.
Scum!HR town!Sloth scum!Cuth is technically possible bit but means two scum decided to create a dichotomy between themselves.
And then there's
Scum!HR scum!Sloth scum!Cuth which, ugh, is technically possible bit a weird dichotomy play from scum.
Scum!HR scum!Sloth town!Cuth means HR decided to thunderdome town Cuth
Looking back on it, do you find any part of it not to be surface level?
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModFor some reason I thought it was Cuth...
Anyways, that still doesn't change the situation.
They just make HR hard.
You. Are. 3RDER.
Next time you roll 3rder, just ******* replace out if you hate it that much. Don't make it our problem.
No, we are not switching to a non-witted target at the 11th hour.
At best, you're playing in bad faith and it's annoying.
At worst, you give people more ammo to misread you and **** up.
Simple as that. Wisp knows I love him regardless, but I hate how he's played a unique role this game.
But again, I promised myself I would save this for post-game - apologies.
You would no yeet over Anak?
This...does not match your behavior in the neighborhood and end of day yesterday at all. You were getting pretty annoyed that people were unvoting Azrael and were getting after the idea of people worrying about being wrong. Your entire frustration yesterday makes no sense with you saying you'll allow a no meet today.
Original witted are CC, Azrael, Anak, Tubba, KJ
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModI mean, I hate no-yeeting, but if I had to pick between yeeting off you or no yeet, I'd pick no yeet.
Same thing with Anak.
I'm not encouraging us to no yeet, but I stated that if I had to pick the between these two options, you know what option I'd choose.
@Everyone currently townreading Cuth
Why? I get that he’s an uncountered Vig claim, but other than that, where’s the townie? Like to the point that Vaimes wants to put the game in his hands?
@Bur
Does your ability work if you Skill someone? Or do they have to target you?
It's also people ignoring me when I ask for solid reasons why they aren't voting Anak.
It's the timing of how they're showing up, with a larger increase in the latter half of the day. And another player (hem hem) acting like the yeet is a foregone conclusion and implanting doubt after what happened to Az when this wagon evolved in a completely different way.
None of this is super hard to observe, and it does in fact show that we have no "de facto" yeet right now - in fact, we're looking at more of a divide now with one player talking about a NL.
If he's not mafia then why would he be mudslinging you?
Day ends at 5PM EST, not 4.
I'm not going to push on this too hard because it's too close to RL-questioning for comfort, but it does seem disingenuous: You did have plenty of time to at least try to answer my important questions in the literal days you've had since I asked them. Especially since you took the time to answer others.
My question still makes sense? Or am I dumb?
Bur knew there was a vig, but did not know it was cuth - according to Vaimes, he guessed it might have been Cantrip, which Vaimes brought up as odd given Cantrip died N3.
Can you explain what you meant by the bolded? Did you get blocked and/or refunded vit at one point?
The last bit is problematic though right? Not lynching someone with wit so that wisp could take out anak, means we pretty much lose this game if the lynch and wit target is town, right? We have 12 now. If say Bur, Anak are town we're down to 10, wisp leaves we're down to 9. The night kill puts us at 8, so if we're at 4 mafia we lose with a successful night kill and certainly so if Cuth is telling the truth and shoots town as well.
If my math is right, and it could be completely wrong, I **** up endgame math all the time, we have to yeet Anak today in order to even have a chance at winning the game no matter what his alignment is. We're at 12? We lose Anak, wisp and the nightkill which will put us at 9 tomorrow if we're they're all town. And if Anak is town, Cuth should holster.
Why did it took you this long to reveal this?
Erm. This kind of puts a wedge on a theory I was considering?
No, I asked. I wondered if my morning feedback meant that if we got role blocked we might not lose our vitality, so I asked. If our action fails due to a roleblock then we get our vitality back, but we don't if it fails for certain other reasons.
Vaimes - Can you answer if you publicly stated that Cuth skilled you?
The only thing I remember you having for Anak was that weird bit about Iso's response to the CC flip, which I addressed and you didn't respond to.
Legitimately, why would a non-scum player be trying to mudsling you?
Oh it was public knowledge. I just found where Cuth publicly claimed to have skilled you yesterday.
This one.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModMy passive neighbouring ability triggers only if I'm targeted by someone else.
@Sloth: Tammy and Anak are both my town reads. I'm not yeeting Tammy the same way I'm not yeeting Anak.
@Tammy: No, we still have the option of voting someone else off, we don't lose as long as the voted person was Witted and Wisp participates in voting.
And ugh, I forgot about KJ.
Which makes things difficult.
Either there's hidden mafia Vit pinger OR scum team has to be something like KJ/Sloth/HR...