We have you, me, Tubba, and Wisp. Not counting Tammy even if she's here.
You already said you're sticking around though. So there's no use in you placing your vote on me early.
In fact, if anything, that makes it more difficult for you to hit 8 votes on me if someone who doesn't want to be the one to end early goes away. The 7th spot should go to that person, if anyone, but I doubt there's going to be any problem getting me to 8. Hell, I'll probably pile on myself to help you avoid another no lynch. This town is clearly stuck in sequential mode and isn't going to be able to hunt multiple scum reads/comprehensive teams all at once, so that's the lesser evil given the personnel we have.
But given how far beyond you're going to be, you need that extra lynch today. Don't play fast and casual and give up that advantage.
Couldn't take it anymore. Don't think I've had someone write more words to put me in my place while emphatically getting everything wrong about how I think or my approach to mafia ever.
If you're town, toMorrow is going to be a complete *****show and you need to step it up. I don't really think you guys will flip red, but I'm at a point where I don't really want to defend you anymore because it's getting old. I don't care what you're doing or how much you're thinking about the game behind the scenes, it means nothing if it's completely intangible.
You're already losing, and I'm out of my misery, no longer tasked with doing endless work for a town who doesn't care. At this point, I put in my best effort, my work is finished, it's just a relief.
The trajectory is correctible mathematically, the POE issues don't seem impossible, but there's no willpower to take any of the necessary steps to find scum and direct votes into the correct POE.
You've still got a fair number of people who can be town-read. That's helpful. But starting to place votes early, doing actual analysis. Kinda hard to win without that stuff.
The extra lynch was never happening, and I think I did more damage, Cuth is literally the only viable player in your bottom PoE and he doesn't make sense as a wolf, unless wolves have another vanilla ish role, which easily points to Boom who needs to ramp up to do anything. Who actually has one of the worst roles I've ever seen if he is town.
None of the others on my POE are viable until someone makes a persuasive case. That hasn't happened, and I didn't have time. Lynches are non-viable until goes to the effort of making them viable.
If someone does, you got a shot. Take a look, do some analysis, it's still a winnable position.
I don't think my analysis is fully complete, but it's a good starting point. With relatively little content and responses going on, that makes it hard to pin down deep wolves. But the low-hanging fruit are much easier to start with. And the town's never going to win, if those lurkers don't get replaced or killed.
To elaborate. If Boom is scum, he's done an absolutely fantastic job. I can't clear him, but he's not the most likely deep wolf, at all.
Bessie? Not so much. Totally vanished today at EOD, complete non-factor for the town. Not sure why she wasn't prodded. Pretty good starting spot for you, if you want to hunt deep wolves.
Vaimes is here mainly due to anti-town effect. He's just not doing good things for the town. I can't pin anything on him tell-wise, but I've never been able to previously, either.
Tubba is just a generic lurker, in my book. They're not all of them scum. Hasn't given me much either way.
Bur and Cuth seem more like the pernicious types, for reasons previously stated. My ISOs will have those preserved for you.
Also As putting Cantrip at top town tier feels weird.
I've felt good about Cantrip's posts, but his constant disappearing and lack of presence don't make him my top tier town read.
He's the friendliest of the lurkers. You could kind of sub-categorize this a bit given lurking quotients, but I'd be more willing to bank on Cantrip's occasionally showing up to make positive town posts once in a blue moon, over some others'.
But given how little pressure is being put on the lurkers, or on anyone really, the town is lacking information on a whole variety of fronts. There really haven't been very many major wagons at all. Nobody placing votes, nobody moving things.
Without that information generation, the town's information pool is severely under-developed. Most towns I'm used to would have 3x or 4x as many wagons to analyze at this point of the game.
Are your ears stopped with wax? Do you hear nothing I say? I asked you, not “what do you make of him?’ but “what will you make of him?’ There he stands, young, strong, and resourceful. His lines are every bit as royal as yours, for all that he was born on the wrong side of the sheets. So what will you make of him? A tool? A weapon? A comrade? An enemy?
Or will you leave him lying about, for someone else to take up and use against you?
Azrael has been condemned.
He was: Fitzchivalry - Town Royal Bastard
Fitzchivalry - Town Royal Bastard
No. No wolf wastes time on vengeance, and that is what this is. Vengeance, pure and simple. When people look most vicious, what you are seeing is not their animal side. It is the savagery that only humans can muster. When you see me loyal to my family, then you see the wolf.
You are Fitz, the bastard son of King-in-Waiting Chivalry. Your Grandfather, King Shrewd, brought you to Buckkeep and made sure your education was provided for, putting you under the care of Burrich, his stable master (and Chivalry's man), and Chade, his bastard half-brother and Royal Assassin. As a young man, you formed a close bond with the wolf Nighteyes and the King's Fool.
You start with 4 Vitality.
The Wit: 1-Shot Anytime Action - You bond with another player and are able to each send one 30-word message per phase to each other.
Untamed Skill: Passive - When you spend Vitality to create a Skill chat, the number of phases of the chat is 1 + the Vitality spent. (You still must spend at least 1V to open a chat)
Hard to Kill: Passive - The first time you would lose more than 3V, you instead lose 2V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
It is now N3. N3 will end at 0900 Thursday the 14th AEDT. Countdown
Cantripmancer was missing in the morning but his bloody bed-sheets suggest the worst.
He was: Hest - Town Trader
Diplomacy is the velvet glove that cloaks the fist of power.
You are a wealthy trader in Bingtown. Married to Alise, you are generous with your money, allowing her to pursue her love of dragons. You have a narcissistic and jealous streak, but are highly respected in Bingtown society.
You start with 3 Vitality.
Mutually Beneficial: Night Action - You may spend 2V to learn who another target player visits that night. That player gains 1V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
It is now Day 4. With 12 alive majority is 7. The day ends Monday the 25th at 0900 AEDT. Countdown here.
@azreal
why didnt u just hit boomfrog so I could get out of this game............................................................................................................
I don't know that Azrael flipping town really changes my mind on the reads we disagreed with, but I'll feel like a huge ass if I don't at least idk. Try rereading them.
If they keep up their lurking then they can for sure die.
if Cuth is a wolf, then Boom has to be a wolf with him, he is the only other vanillaish role, that could afford to hold the night KP? correct?
@Vaimes
unless someone is just straight-up lying about their role
if Cuth is a wolf, then Boom has to be a wolf with him, he is the only other vanillaish role, that could afford to hold the night KP? correct?
@Vaimes
unless someone is just straight-up lying about their role
ah **** I keep forgetting about that
This vote is more an invitation to defend himself instead of having me do it for him, and to explain his Night actions.
Bur/Highroller are still town, at least I believe Bur is mechanically
I guess he could hold the night KP given his role is passive, but like meh, its still a role if on a wolf, solely to do nothing but make us believe he has to be town, which is just a garbage design
highroller is still town, not re-evaluating even if he decides to dive bomb me today
I am at 2/3, ANak I am assuming as 1 vit since I stole 3 from him, aka a net gain of 2 vit
Hmm so the cantrip probably targeted as night one and that’s where he got the vitality, and unless there’s another vitality giver, silver targeted cantrip night two who wouldn’t have been able to target night two due to lack of vitality. I wasn’t expecting cantrip to die; I thought he was too low activity.
I don’t know what this means, but my other half tested positive today, and I am the ball of biggest anxiety right now and can’t really Mafia.
I dunno, I guess if Azrael didn't think it was clearing enough, then whatever. It's potentially a good point by Silver, I thought it was a good point, but it's Day 4, we're running out of options, and in a closed setup there could be a number of reasons why someone else made the kill in a scum!Cuth world. And right now that's like, literally the only thing in his favor.
Your list in 2612 was Highroller, Sloth, Cuth, Tubba, LastWhisper, Tammy, KJ, but you voted Highroller and Bur. Was it literally just Bur's vote that tipped you over?
I need to rethink a bunch of stuff, because the Az wagon has too many town unless it's exactly Bur and Bessie.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Bur/Highroller are still town, at least I believe Bur is mechanically
I guess he could hold the night KP given his role is passive, but like meh, its still a role if on a wolf, solely to do nothing but make us believe he has to be town, which is just a garbage design
highroller is still town, not re-evaluating even if he decides to dive bomb me today
I am at 2/3, ANak I am assuming as 1 vit since I stole 3 from him, aka a net gain of 2 vit
I'm good just clearing Bur. He made some decent QT posts that I'm willing to ignore Azrael's read of him.
Hmm so the cantrip probably targeted as night one and that’s where he got the vitality, and unless there’s another vitality giver, silver targeted cantrip night two who wouldn’t have been able to target night two due to lack of vitality. I wasn’t expecting cantrip to die; I thought he was too low activity.
I don’t know what this means, but my other half tested positive today, and I am the ball of biggest anxiety right now and can’t really Mafia.
Sorry to hear.
They killed Cantrip 'cause he was widely townread and is a no-info kill, win-win.
Hmm so the cantrip probably targeted as night one and that’s where he got the vitality, and unless there’s another vitality giver, silver targeted cantrip night two who wouldn’t have been able to target night two due to lack of vitality. I wasn’t expecting cantrip to die; I thought he was too low activity.
I don’t know what this means, but my other half tested positive today, and I am the ball of biggest anxiety right now and can’t really Mafia.
Sorry to hear.
They killed Cantrip 'cause he was widely townread and is a no-info kill, win-win.
Oh yeah kiiiiiinda think me being alive points to town bur, unless wifom.
Hmm so the cantrip probably targeted as night one and that’s where he got the vitality, and unless there’s another vitality giver, silver targeted cantrip night two who wouldn’t have been able to target night two due to lack of vitality. I wasn’t expecting cantrip to die; I thought he was too low activity.
I don’t know what this means, but my other half tested positive today, and I am the ball of biggest anxiety right now and can’t really Mafia.
Sorry to hear.
They killed Cantrip 'cause he was widely townread and is a no-info kill, win-win.
Oh yeah kiiiiiinda think me being alive points to town bur, unless wifom.
And if scum are in the inactives why kill within them when they’re blending there? Or are they just satisfied with the gamestate and wanted to leave it as is.
vote anak
You already said you're sticking around though. So there's no use in you placing your vote on me early.
In fact, if anything, that makes it more difficult for you to hit 8 votes on me if someone who doesn't want to be the one to end early goes away. The 7th spot should go to that person, if anyone, but I doubt there's going to be any problem getting me to 8. Hell, I'll probably pile on myself to help you avoid another no lynch. This town is clearly stuck in sequential mode and isn't going to be able to hunt multiple scum reads/comprehensive teams all at once, so that's the lesser evil given the personnel we have.
But given how far beyond you're going to be, you need that extra lynch today. Don't play fast and casual and give up that advantage.
Couldn't take it anymore. Don't think I've had someone write more words to put me in my place while emphatically getting everything wrong about how I think or my approach to mafia ever.
Sorry if you're town.
Oh. i see it now.
I don't understand how I keep missing posts. This forum is the devil.
If you're town, toMorrow is going to be a complete *****show and you need to step it up. I don't really think you guys will flip red, but I'm at a point where I don't really want to defend you anymore because it's getting old. I don't care what you're doing or how much you're thinking about the game behind the scenes, it means nothing if it's completely intangible.
Love,
the village
The trajectory is correctible mathematically, the POE issues don't seem impossible, but there's no willpower to take any of the necessary steps to find scum and direct votes into the correct POE.
You've still got a fair number of people who can be town-read. That's helpful. But starting to place votes early, doing actual analysis. Kinda hard to win without that stuff.
And skipping the extra lynch? That's just...lol.
That slot needs to be evaluated
To be fair I would've cared more of not for my alignment, sorry Az
FTR, I was getting ready to vote Az, in part because I'd rather be party to misyeeting town!him than not yeeting scum!him. :/ Sorry, Az.
My other contenders were Cuth or Anak, probably.
Tammy town, HR likely town, Bur I'm feeling town for probably bad reasons. Vaimes is probably ok, too.
I'll do my best to catch up overNight and stay that way. For the reals.
None of the others on my POE are viable until someone makes a persuasive case. That hasn't happened, and I didn't have time. Lynches are non-viable until goes to the effort of making them viable.
If someone does, you got a shot. Take a look, do some analysis, it's still a winnable position.
I don't think my analysis is fully complete, but it's a good starting point. With relatively little content and responses going on, that makes it hard to pin down deep wolves. But the low-hanging fruit are much easier to start with. And the town's never going to win, if those lurkers don't get replaced or killed.
No hard feelings at all. Rooting for you. Hope the Cuth shot helps us both.
Also if I'm not around tomorrow good luck town
I really don't think it's bur or highroller?
Again:
Tier 1 Town (5)
Sloth
Anak
Tammy
KJ
Cantrip
Angry Elf (town unless faking anger) (1)
HR
Tier 2 Trees (4)
Boom
Vaimes
Bessie
Tubba
Scum/Neutrals (3)
LW
Bur
Cuthalion
I think the order of likeliness is in that order there.
If I'm around tomorrow, I'll try to actually do the meta boom frog linked me.
Bessie? Not so much. Totally vanished today at EOD, complete non-factor for the town. Not sure why she wasn't prodded. Pretty good starting spot for you, if you want to hunt deep wolves.
Vaimes is here mainly due to anti-town effect. He's just not doing good things for the town. I can't pin anything on him tell-wise, but I've never been able to previously, either.
Tubba is just a generic lurker, in my book. They're not all of them scum. Hasn't given me much either way.
Bur and Cuth seem more like the pernicious types, for reasons previously stated. My ISOs will have those preserved for you.
I look forward to your demise, scum. It's a travesty the town's love of shiny objects and lurking has allowed you to survive this long.
I've felt good about Cantrip's posts, but his constant disappearing and lack of presence don't make him my top tier town read.
Ten times dead was very dead indeed.
Az (8): Highroller, Sloth, Bur, Bessie, Wisp, KJ, Vaimes, Tammy
Tubba (4): Cuth, Bur, Wisp, KJ
Wisp (3): Highroller, BoomFrog , Az
Anak (3): Bessie, Sloth, Tammy
Cuth (2): Az, BoomFrog
Bur (1): Anak
Sloth (1): Cuth
Highroller (1): Anak
BoomFrog (1): Vaimes
Not Voting (2): Cantrip, Tubba
That is majority. Az has been condemned. Please stop posting while I post the end of day.
He's the friendliest of the lurkers. You could kind of sub-categorize this a bit given lurking quotients, but I'd be more willing to bank on Cantrip's occasionally showing up to make positive town posts once in a blue moon, over some others'.
But given how little pressure is being put on the lurkers, or on anyone really, the town is lacking information on a whole variety of fronts. There really haven't been very many major wagons at all. Nobody placing votes, nobody moving things.
Without that information generation, the town's information pool is severely under-developed. Most towns I'm used to would have 3x or 4x as many wagons to analyze at this point of the game.
D1 CC self-voted and made it hard to analyse his wagon.
D2 we didn't manage to eliminate anyone.
me when I get there and see what's happening
Ok, so...no double-yeet. But yes Az-yeet. Is Az known for slowrolling?
...There have been so many voting accidents this game, wtf.
P.S. I got vaccinated today!
Or will you leave him lying about, for someone else to take up and use against you?
Azrael has been condemned.
He was: Fitzchivalry - Town Royal Bastard
Fitzchivalry - Town Royal Bastard
No. No wolf wastes time on vengeance, and that is what this is. Vengeance, pure and simple. When people look most vicious, what you are seeing is not their animal side. It is the savagery that only humans can muster. When you see me loyal to my family, then you see the wolf.
You are Fitz, the bastard son of King-in-Waiting Chivalry. Your Grandfather, King Shrewd, brought you to Buckkeep and made sure your education was provided for, putting you under the care of Burrich, his stable master (and Chivalry's man), and Chade, his bastard half-brother and Royal Assassin. As a young man, you formed a close bond with the wolf Nighteyes and the King's Fool.
You start with 4 Vitality.
The Wit: 1-Shot Anytime Action - You bond with another player and are able to each send one 30-word message per phase to each other.
Untamed Skill: Passive - When you spend Vitality to create a Skill chat, the number of phases of the chat is 1 + the Vitality spent. (You still must spend at least 1V to open a chat)
Hard to Kill: Passive - The first time you would lose more than 3V, you instead lose 2V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
It is now N3. N3 will end at 0900 Thursday the 14th AEDT. Countdown
Cantripmancer was missing in the morning but his bloody bed-sheets suggest the worst.
He was: Hest - Town Trader
You are a wealthy trader in Bingtown. Married to Alise, you are generous with your money, allowing her to pursue her love of dragons. You have a narcissistic and jealous streak, but are highly respected in Bingtown society.
You start with 3 Vitality.
Mutually Beneficial: Night Action - You may spend 2V to learn who another target player visits that night. That player gains 1V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
It is now Day 4. With 12 alive majority is 7. The day ends Monday the 25th at 0900 AEDT. Countdown here.
why didnt u just hit boomfrog so I could get out of this game............................................................................................................
****kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
If they keep up their lurking then they can for sure die.
@Vaimes
unless someone is just straight-up lying about their role
This vote is more an invitation to defend himself instead of having me do it for him, and to explain his Night actions.
I guess he could hold the night KP given his role is passive, but like meh, its still a role if on a wolf, solely to do nothing but make us believe he has to be town, which is just a garbage design
highroller is still town, not re-evaluating even if he decides to dive bomb me today
I am at 2/3, ANak I am assuming as 1 vit since I stole 3 from him, aka a net gain of 2 vit
I don’t know what this means, but my other half tested positive today, and I am the ball of biggest anxiety right now and can’t really Mafia.
Your list in 2612 was Highroller, Sloth, Cuth, Tubba, LastWhisper, Tammy, KJ, but you voted Highroller and Bur. Was it literally just Bur's vote that tipped you over?
I need to rethink a bunch of stuff, because the Az wagon has too many town unless it's exactly Bur and Bessie.
They killed Cantrip 'cause he was widely townread and is a no-info kill, win-win.
Oh yeah kiiiiiinda think me being alive points to town bur, unless wifom.
Anyways.
townreads:
Tammy
Bur
Highroller
Killjoy
townreads with reservations:
Slothful
Iso/Anaklusmos
leaving 3-4 scum in:
Tubba Fett
Chad/BoomFrog
WMU/Bessie
Cuthalion
Which. Doesn't feel super correct.
And if scum are in the inactives why kill within them when they’re blending there? Or are they just satisfied with the gamestate and wanted to leave it as is.