I keep writing out and deleting controversial opinions. I'm not thrilled with bessie's push here and would rather hear more about anything else that's popped up on their radar.
no not really, maybe after I see Boom's flip I might, and I think you are giving wolf GJ too much credit
ok maybe a little, like its possible until you realize that Boom liked a post of Tammy's stating it was a big misunderstanding, which is not at all the angle Boom was pushing towards
I will give you that, him realizing his mistake finally, looks okish
Wait, sorry, so him agreeing to Tammy's point was good or bad?
Or is the mistake you refer to in the end a different thing?
him agreeing to tammy makes no sense given his thoughts, him realizing he looked at the wrong post, which was in fact made by Silver, looks goodish
him agreeing to tammy makes no sense given his thoughts, him realizing he looked at the wrong post, which was in fact made by Silver, looks goodish
Hm.
Plus he said that if {4 players} wanted him to claim, he would...and then immediately stated he was leaving for days.
I don't know what that's supposed to accomplish. Why not ******* claim before you leave? Or why even dangle that if you knew you were gonna be V/LA before anyone would have a chance to answer? It reads as disingenuous.
I am debating about suggesting a next course of action, because I am feeling particular vindictive right now, and despite how energized I am sure my posts read, I am swaying between standing up right, and falling off the mountain and giving up. I might be on tonight, but more likely Monday, and I will reconsider if that is objectively correct, or just an excuse to wash my hands of this absurdity.
Wisp, remind me of your condition to win, what counts as a target, and that you do in fact leave when the target threshold is met, regardless of phase.
Azrael usually makes sense when he is a wolf. But for whatever reason, he just can't ever read me.
Oh my god. I am his Vaimes
I took this to mean that you guys have played a lot together and knew each other's meta, but in response to the case he made on you, you said this:
Quote from GJ »
This shouldn't be it's own premise, as it is merely an extension of one. Of note, I recall three games where Azrael and myself were in the same game. An invitational, a league game, and some old ass game Helatia, I think. Of which two of the three games, Azrael was a wolf, but were different from here. The league game, he was not as tunneled, where as in Hetalia or whatever it is called, I was busy getting lynched day 1 off the back of yanni, and didn't even have wolf chat with Az and the others, nor was I paying attention, other than trying to fight for my life. But all of that aside, the short answer to all of this is that no, I don't really know his meta. And even if I did, it goes to show he does not know my own. Your arrogance blinds you.
Am I misinterpreting? You say he can't ever read you, but then you say that you were in three games together and two of them he was a wolf?
Azrael usually makes sense when he is a wolf. But for whatever reason, he just can't ever read me.
Oh my god. I am his Vaimes
I took this to mean that you guys have played a lot together and knew each other's meta, but in response to the case he made on you, you said this:
Quote from GJ »
This shouldn't be it's own premise, as it is merely an extension of one. Of note, I recall three games where Azrael and myself were in the same game. An invitational, a league game, and some old ass game Helatia, I think. Of which two of the three games, Azrael was a wolf, but were different from here. The league game, he was not as tunneled, where as in Hetalia or whatever it is called, I was busy getting lynched day 1 off the back of yanni, and didn't even have wolf chat with Az and the others, nor was I paying attention, other than trying to fight for my life. But all of that aside, the short answer to all of this is that no, I don't really know his meta. And even if I did, it goes to show he does not know my own. Your arrogance blinds you.
Am I misinterpreting? You say he can't ever read you, but then you say that you were in three games together and two of them he was a wolf?
Two of them, we were wolves, together. One of them, I didn't even have the ability to chat with the wolf team, and I had subbed in almost 1500 posts in off someone who was being read as super wolfy.
Azrael usually makes sense when he is a wolf. But for whatever reason, he just can't ever read me.
Oh my god. I am his Vaimes
I took this to mean that you guys have played a lot together and knew each other's meta, but in response to the case he made on you, you said this:
Quote from GJ »
This shouldn't be it's own premise, as it is merely an extension of one. Of note, I recall three games where Azrael and myself were in the same game. An invitational, a league game, and some old ass game Helatia, I think. Of which two of the three games, Azrael was a wolf, but were different from here. The league game, he was not as tunneled, where as in Hetalia or whatever it is called, I was busy getting lynched day 1 off the back of yanni, and didn't even have wolf chat with Az and the others, nor was I paying attention, other than trying to fight for my life. But all of that aside, the short answer to all of this is that no, I don't really know his meta. And even if I did, it goes to show he does not know my own. Your arrogance blinds you.
Am I misinterpreting? You say he can't ever read you, but then you say that you were in three games together and two of them he was a wolf?
Two of them, we were wolves, together. One of them, I didn't even have the ability to chat with the wolf team, and I had subbed in almost 1500 posts in off someone who was being read as super wolfy.
Oh that was really unclear. Sorry, I'm getting sleepy.
But are these all the games you've played together? I was under the impression from that first post, and another you say in your response to the case that you guys have played many games together and that he has trouble reading you properly. But then that post that I quoted sounds like you've only played three games together, and he was wolf in two of them, which would mean that my initial impression was wrong.
I am debating about suggesting a next course of action, because I am feeling particular vindictive right now, and despite how energized I am sure my posts read, I am swaying between standing up right, and falling off the mountain and giving up. I might be on tonight, but more likely Monday, and I will reconsider if that is objectively correct, or just an excuse to wash my hands of this absurdity.
Wisp, remind me of your condition to win, what counts as a target, and that you do in fact leave when the target threshold is met, regardless of phase.
I have nothing else to say.
Be on the train and/or use my ability to kill 3 witted targets
initially I did not know that the wit spreads, poor wording in my role pm apparently
so technically the game starts with 5 witted with the ability, if they target someone, that person also becomes witted, but they do not gain the witted ability, and killing or being on their train counts towards my wincon as well
so now with Highroller, there are 5 possibly targets for me currently that I know of, and/or more that may exist that I do not know of
I leave the game, if I can not achieve my wincon anymore, or if I achieve my wincon
Azrael usually makes sense when he is a wolf. But for whatever reason, he just can't ever read me.
Oh my god. I am his Vaimes
I took this to mean that you guys have played a lot together and knew each other's meta, but in response to the case he made on you, you said this:
Quote from GJ »
This shouldn't be it's own premise, as it is merely an extension of one. Of note, I recall three games where Azrael and myself were in the same game. An invitational, a league game, and some old ass game Helatia, I think. Of which two of the three games, Azrael was a wolf, but were different from here. The league game, he was not as tunneled, where as in Hetalia or whatever it is called, I was busy getting lynched day 1 off the back of yanni, and didn't even have wolf chat with Az and the others, nor was I paying attention, other than trying to fight for my life. But all of that aside, the short answer to all of this is that no, I don't really know his meta. And even if I did, it goes to show he does not know my own. Your arrogance blinds you.
Am I misinterpreting? You say he can't ever read you, but then you say that you were in three games together and two of them he was a wolf?
Two of them, we were wolves, together. One of them, I didn't even have the ability to chat with the wolf team, and I had subbed in almost 1500 posts in off someone who was being read as super wolfy.
ya, you have me at that nonchalant entrance, don't even remember who you replaced, probably didn't matter either way
LW, assume that my role is town, and yours isn't a neutral. Do you think I am at the point where I am better off dying at this stage? Be as objective as possible.
Johnny I love that you change your avatar with what is going on in the thread at the time and how you're feeling or responding. I wish that your avatar could stay the same as it was when you changed it. When I was scrolling earlier to see if you had come in to address Az's case and your avatar was the dark one, I knew you had responded and you weren't happy.
LW, assume that my role is town, and yours isn't a neutral. Do you think I am at the point where I am better off dying at this stage? Be as objective as possible.
I appreciate the comment, Tammy. It's also an attempt at a more subtle roleplay, where I tap into the emotion I am feeling at the time, while obvious exaggerating it to the point of ridiculousness sometimes. I do occasionally go overboard that being said. I started doing this when I was over at MU, though I couldn't say why I started it or how I thought of it.
In game I am sad, OoG I am not. We have actually been looking at houses for the better part of the afternoon. We got this narrowed down to two, but holy ***** there are some crazy things that happened. One house, the guy's son was home and about two seconds after entering, the house reeked of weed. I don't have an issue with that personally, but holy ***** was that crazy. Another one, we didn't realize the homeowners were home, and while we didn't see it, our real estate agent was turning on the lights upstais, opened the hallway bathroom and found the homeowner's daughter with her boyfriend....in the shower. The house itself wasn't that great, but after that moment, we noped the **** out of there real quick.
That was my day today, but I am hiding it here for a bit of levity + I have to talk to someone.
@GJ
I just want a train that isn't Boom, and I want to be able to use my ability on Boom
but like nothing is happening
and Idk what the votes are
Highroller is sitting on me
Azreal wants to kill you
Bessie is suspecting Tammy
Tubba isn't voting anyone
like wtf am I supposed to do man
can we vote Bur or something?
Bessie, yes there has been pretty much zero pushback on town reading tammy other than her herself wondering why people were townreading her occasionally
I'm not going to say, like, it should or shouldn't have happened, just that it's pretty much factual that no one really pushed her until you started posting catch up
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Sorry I don't remember who asked but yes Cuth could have a day ability
I still think if he was a wolf he'd be likely to carry the kill
I did not receive feedback on my ability use at all, but if I simply asked him I dunno that he'd think to lie about getting it even if he was a wolf?
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Uhhh there was something else I was going to reply to but I forget what it was and it's late so I'll check again in the morning
"like wtf am I supposed to do man
can we vote Bur or something?"
Oh wait no it was this
I kind of think Bur is exile-bait and I dunno that he spends vit to talk to tammy about non-game stuff if he's a wolf? I dunno seems kind of. Strange. Even if he has a bunch of vit.
Kind of want to wagon Azrael still I think
But I'm gonna make a list of all the players tomorrow and see who's who because I feel like half of the game is just. Not present in my consciousness at all.
Bur and Tubba in particular are two players I always think read wolfy, so I am hesitant about that (to me, just to be clear).
Highroller is sitting on me
Azreal wants to kill you
Bessie is suspecting Tammy
Going through the list with my guess
You trully don't care. (you have to pretend to, but the sooner your out, the better (from your perspective)
Vaimes want Boom out, but not necessarily via vote, maybe by you.
Tammy I don't know
Sloth wants me out of here, or maybe Az? Not sure. His response to Az has me a little conflicted. His other stuff is whatever.
Silver wants one of me or Az.
Cuth wants Boom
KJ no clue, but is still somehow town read (couldn't resist. I really don't see the town here). I thought he said something about disliking Highroller, but I can't recall
Azreal wants to lynch townies
Bur begrudingly wants to vote Boom
Tubba No clue
Highroller: Anyone who doesn't didn't claim town
Iso: Bur
Cantrip: no clue
Boomfrog: No clue. Was me before the backtrack.
Bessie: Tammy
I see your point LW. 2nd picks would be almost impossible. Curious though why you sided against me dying? You seem in the middle.
The one thing I want to give you ***** for (not really an attack on you) is that you called my silver vote bad, and than a literal post later, wanted him to be cop checked
and than a literal post later, wanted him to be cop checked
what do you mean?
Why do I keep flip-flopping on you, that is a question that only the Heavens can answer. On a more serious note, you have pretty much showed no TMI, and while your votes are mediocre, it doesn't really mean much, because there really is not much to push against
like I said before, I think a lot of your early stuff is more personality than anything
Az is just really convincing lol, but your response bounced me back
it's not meta at all really, except a general personality read from what i know of her as a person
i spent the first post of the phase talking to wisp because i appreciated his not stealing a vit from me
he has nothing to lose from it but it makes the game a lot more enjoyable for me
and if we had to yeet a v at least he got something out of it
because like i said i think his claim is honest and he's been doing a genuine job of townsiding
i don't really have a town/wolf divide in terms of activity or engagement
i signed up for this game because of the people in it and the phase lengths
it's not a priority for me, i'll contribute and solve and interact when i'm here (and try to do so more because i don't feel i've been that helpful of late), but short of a much more thrilling solving environment i don't expect i'll suddenly turn up the volume knob
and than a literal post later, wanted him to be cop checked
what do you mean?
Why do I keep flip-flopping on you, that is a question that only the Heavens can answer. On a more serious note, you have pretty much showed no TMI, and while your votes are mediocre, it doesn't really mean much, because there really is not much to push against
like I said before, I think a lot of your early stuff is more personality than anything
Az is just really convincing lol, but your response bounced me back
Do you uh
Not think his CC waffling post claim is TMIy at all?
and than a literal post later, wanted him to be cop checked
what do you mean?
Why do I keep flip-flopping on you, that is a question that only the Heavens can answer. On a more serious note, you have pretty much showed no TMI, and while your votes are mediocre, it doesn't really mean much, because there really is not much to push against
like I said before, I think a lot of your early stuff is more personality than anything
Az is just really convincing lol, but your response bounced me back
Do you uh
Not think his CC waffling post claim is TMIy at all?
Johnny - I missed that you asked me a question regarding my readslist comment to Az and my thoughts on his case. I need to reread his case and your response again. This is kinda my reminder to do that and pick up any other things I missed when I get back.
I *am* thinking of claiming it because... I'm probably not gonna get a ton more info out of it tbh and it's not super useful otherwise due to the restriction
If you can mechanically 100% confirm this guy, so I don't have to think about the possibility of him being a wolf anymore, that would be so great, just saying. But like obviously that is up to you? I mean I would hope your role flip in the world you died, would also confirm it, or else you not telling us, doesn't really help?
I pressumed since you quoted silver, the mention of "this guy" was silver. Looking back, you might have meant you hoped Silver could mechanically clear Cuth.
FTR - I never once insulted you, said you had to town read me, or that you couldn't question me. I have absolutely no clue where you're getting that from, and it feels weird.
Ok, here’s the statement that I guess I wrongly took as an insult:
The idea that my playstyle is more likely to come from a wolf is really only the case with people who read others superficially and think that town is supposed to behave in one certain way or are newer and don't know how to distinguish things.
I had two interpretations of this statement.
(1) I read others superficially.
(2) I’m new and I don’t know how to distinguish things.
I was thinking you meant (1) but now that you clarified this wasn’t an insult I see you meant (2).
If i understand this you're accusing me of backtracking on my thoughts on RVS, and it's somehow problematic that I gave a serious thought even though I think RVS is for *****posting? And you threw in the active lurking buzzword to top it off. How could I active lurk on page two? The game started, I posted then went to sleep, and posted those posts the next day.
Perhaps newbie me doesn’t understand active lurking? It was my understanding that active lurking was posting that was made to appear as content, but purposely purposely does nothing to move the game forward. Like popping in with some “content” which in actuality says you have nothing to say. And that it could happen on any page in the game.
Activity won't be a problem! I like my alignment and I'm working from home grading papers nonstop for the next couple weeks. Game will be a nice distraction.
And the underlined means… what? This is so LAMIST.
I do not think you know what LAMIST actually means. That wasn't even close to that. That was a reply to Vaimes in which he made a comment about my activity. He knows, because we've been partners before, that activity is a problem for me when I'm scum. A small comment where I reference liking my alignment isn't LAMIST. I actually expected to be attacked for not calling myself town there lol.
Are you kidding it totally is LAMIST. Unless you are known for preferring to play as scum, which I gather from the dozen or so pages of content I have read on this forum, you are not. It appears you are comfortable with and prefer playing town, so this is an implied town claim.
I don't know actually. In the few games i've played since coming off a break I haven't drawn scum, except earlier this year in a hydra with nacho, but that game was abandoned pretty early. I do absolutely hate drawing scum with the fire of a thousand suns though, and I think it comes across in my posts. Literally not an exaggeration; I've cried upon receiving a scum role pm before because I'd drawn too many and just couldn't do it again. I think I have one of the worst scum games, but other people don't think it's as bad as I do. I've won more scum games than I've lost though because I push on through due to having a team depend on me and that pesky win condition business.
I know that's more how I feel about scum rather than what I'm like as scum, but as for what I'm like as scum, I'm miserable. Any outward factors you'd have to ask someone else. A little self meta though, I'd probably not preemptively gone into why I didn't RVS though because I know people read that kind of stuff as self conscious therefore scummy, and as scum I don't want any unnecessary suspicion on me early because that just makes me deflate whereas as town I don't mind letting my self consciousness show.
I'm town here though so none of that matters and you'll have to wait another time to see what my miserable scum game is like
I was going to say that this doesn't move the needle for me either because it's still page two and etc, but then I went back and reread the posts before you made your original post as well as your original post, and you were just saying it was null. I misread the original when I first read it as though you were trying to scum read him for it, which you weren't, so never mind that thread!
More backtracking.
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The things you are attacking me for are so weird. It doesn't feel like you're actually following thread flow. And you're really wildly misinterpreting here, and I don't know in what world this is backtracking. I said what response I was going to have, reread something which suggested I misinterpreted my his original point, and what my thought was based on the new reading. In fact, he pointed out in his response that my original reading was correct, to which I replied:
Apparently this exhaustion I'm feeling is affecting my reading comprehension as well.
Okay then back to my original point that it was page two and a "you're not driving the game in any way read" feels premature unless he is one of those weirdos that like to drive the game forward early.
So where's the backtrack? And why would that be a backtrack in the first place?
Refer to the underlined, that is what I was interpreting as backtracking.
I keep writing out and deleting controversial opinions. I'm not thrilled with bessie's push here and would rather hear more about anything else that's popped up on their radar.
(1) Why are you afraid to post controversial opinions?
(2) Why do you want to draw my attention away from Tammy?
(3) Feel free to read the following. You can reply if you want.
Either way, this is where roleplay starts to piss me off. When communication starts to get harder due to a RP, it makes me want to tune it out of lynch it. I might add rhetoric to the tone of the masks I wear, and add emotion to the point that sometimes it's unbelievable, but you won't struggle to read my posts, short of grammatical errors.
Someone else will have to read Rhand for me, I'm not in love with the pirate flavor.
I find these two reactions to Rhand’s gambit interesting. Gentleman Johnny appears irritated and his reaction is to eliminate the player for the gambit, my experience with people reacting in a hostile way to this type of gambit depends somewhat on the player. But I don’t like Vaimes’ reaction which is a pre-excuse for making a bad read on Rhand, or none at all.
Also this was a back-and-forth I did not expect, seriously.
@Bessie, your read on Tammy has been noted - do you have thoughts on any of the other players? I'm awaiting your promised reads.
Does no one but Tammy and Silver read my posts?
Yeah I’m getting to it. I have read and made notes for Pages 1-9, and for Day 2. I’m trying to fill in some of what I skipped, but the content in this game is meta heavy (for both players and site). It would be nice if I could get some more replies to my questions it would help out.
Pre post edit, see Cuthalion's #1578 he replied to my questions, thanks.
Hmm there really wasn’t a misunderstanding or shouldn’t have been because gj clarified himself that his problem was with boom’s read on cantrip itself after boom made the burying comment. I either missed that or forgot it; I blame grading/exhaustion/alcohol. It is reasonable that the burying comment came from him misapplying the silver post to gj though because it was sandwiched in between Gj!’s posts.
That still doesn’t explain the cantrip read really. Him calling people town who think he’s scum isn’t really alignment indicative. The only nuanced read was the cc read really. And he gets after Johnny for “not talking” to him but neither did cantrip, he made a pressure attempt.
Hmmm not sure what to think there. I’ve been evaluating that conversation thinking there was a big misunderstanding, and I stil don’t think the “did you read more than you’re saying you did, is productive, but hrm. I know he posted today but I don’t remember any of it.
How I feel about it right now is that it’s still a weird angle to take for scum to accuse someone of reading more of the thread than they said they did. (How much do I want to depend on that though?)
Also, props to Vaimes for pumping the brakes on this boom wagon.
This thing looks like seriously bad news. Do I think some scum are coasting here while the town derps? Sure. But Boom isn't remotely the person is start with, particularly after what Bur just did to him.
Effective immediately Anaklusmos replaces Iso. Please do not discuss this.
I apologize for the lack of vote counts. Christmas preparations have been very time consuming. I will endeavor to have one today. Ping me with any concerns.
Thank you for posting something readable Az! Read your case later when I’m not hungover. I mean I read it, but thinking when not hungover.
Or wisp - since you consider yourself a good Gj reader. What do you think of it?
Wisp have noted that he can't go over that post in-depth yet, so I think all of us have homework ahead of us.
I'm liking it though - not for the content of the post itself, which I too need to analyze more closely:
I like that in a moment of stagnation and entropy in the game, Azrael came out guns swinging with energy and passion, injecting these into the game when it sorely needed it and revitalizing at least me a little. Scum would want to keep the sludge going for as long as possible and not seek to break it.
But yeah, wake up we got work ahead of us (offers coffee).
Keeping in mind the above, how's your read on Az?
I’ve reread the case now. I want to reread it again as there’s some stuff in there that I didn’t quite like, but he did point out a couple things that I had mentioned already, so there’s a bit of is he tight? Couple things off the top of my head.
When he’s attacking gj for the kj attack being too soft and that he’s stopping himself from actually calling him scum, he misses that after a question or two Johnny does push harder on him being more likely scum. It’s a page two read, and Johnny doesn’t push kJ hard but he does come down on him being more likely scum for which he gets pushback. As doesn’t seem to follow that conversation as it progresses.
He also misses that Johnny does spend some time, albeit short, talking about az’s alignment. He mentions that Az as a wolf is able to make sense and would be able to actually bury him and postulates that Az might be town that just can’t read him.
Those are just two things off the top of my heads. I wasn’t fond of the first numbered bits though.
Did you end up going back through it? What did you think?
Your name looks familiar but I don’t know if we ever played together.
We have! I want to say twice, but can't easily go check that currently. Pretty sure I was at least once hard scum reading you and wound up being completely wrong, though I can't for the life of me remember what game that was
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Thank you for posting something readable Az! Read your case later when I’m not hungover. I mean I read it, but thinking when not hungover.
Or wisp - since you consider yourself a good Gj reader. What do you think of it?
Wisp have noted that he can't go over that post in-depth yet, so I think all of us have homework ahead of us.
I'm liking it though - not for the content of the post itself, which I too need to analyze more closely:
I like that in a moment of stagnation and entropy in the game, Azrael came out guns swinging with energy and passion, injecting these into the game when it sorely needed it and revitalizing at least me a little. Scum would want to keep the sludge going for as long as possible and not seek to break it.
But yeah, wake up we got work ahead of us (offers coffee).
Keeping in mind the above, how's your read on Az?
I’ve reread the case now. I want to reread it again as there’s some stuff in there that I didn’t quite like, but he did point out a couple things that I had mentioned already, so there’s a bit of is he tight? Couple things off the top of my head.
When he’s attacking gj for the kj attack being too soft and that he’s stopping himself from actually calling him scum, he misses that after a question or two Johnny does push harder on him being more likely scum. It’s a page two read, and Johnny doesn’t push kJ hard but he does come down on him being more likely scum for which he gets pushback. As doesn’t seem to follow that conversation as it progresses.
He also misses that Johnny does spend some time, albeit short, talking about az’s alignment. He mentions that Az as a wolf is able to make sense and would be able to actually bury him and postulates that Az might be town that just can’t read him.
Those are just two things off the top of my heads. I wasn’t fond of the first numbered bits though.
Did you end up going back through it? What did you think?
he corrects himself on the second point I mentioned and expands on it later, so never mind that point of dislike.
Your name looks familiar but I don’t know if we ever played together.
We have! I want to say twice, but can't easily go check that currently. Pretty sure I was at least once hard scum reading you and wound up being completely wrong, though I can't for the life of me remember what game that was
lol! Just don’t do it again
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The contrast is p much putting in the effort to pretend to look like a thoughtful/reasonable villager.
Wait what the hell? Did I break the site?
Plus he said that if {4 players} wanted him to claim, he would...and then immediately stated he was leaving for days.
I don't know what that's supposed to accomplish. Why not ******* claim before you leave? Or why even dangle that if you knew you were gonna be V/LA before anyone would have a chance to answer? It reads as disingenuous.
Wisp, remind me of your condition to win, what counts as a target, and that you do in fact leave when the target threshold is met, regardless of phase.
I have nothing else to say.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I took this to mean that you guys have played a lot together and knew each other's meta, but in response to the case he made on you, you said this:
Am I misinterpreting? You say he can't ever read you, but then you say that you were in three games together and two of them he was a wolf?
Two of them, we were wolves, together. One of them, I didn't even have the ability to chat with the wolf team, and I had subbed in almost 1500 posts in off someone who was being read as super wolfy.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Oh that was really unclear. Sorry, I'm getting sleepy.
But are these all the games you've played together? I was under the impression from that first post, and another you say in your response to the case that you guys have played many games together and that he has trouble reading you properly. But then that post that I quoted sounds like you've only played three games together, and he was wolf in two of them, which would mean that my initial impression was wrong.
Be on the train and/or use my ability to kill 3 witted targets
initially I did not know that the wit spreads, poor wording in my role pm apparently
so technically the game starts with 5 witted with the ability, if they target someone, that person also becomes witted, but they do not gain the witted ability, and killing or being on their train counts towards my wincon as well
so now with Highroller, there are 5 possibly targets for me currently that I know of, and/or more that may exist that I do not know of
I leave the game, if I can not achieve my wincon anymore, or if I achieve my wincon
I should probably go to bed.
LW, assume that my role is town, and yours isn't a neutral. Do you think I am at the point where I am better off dying at this stage? Be as objective as possible.
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In game I am sad, OoG I am not. We have actually been looking at houses for the better part of the afternoon. We got this narrowed down to two, but holy ***** there are some crazy things that happened. One house, the guy's son was home and about two seconds after entering, the house reeked of weed. I don't have an issue with that personally, but holy ***** was that crazy. Another one, we didn't realize the homeowners were home, and while we didn't see it, our real estate agent was turning on the lights upstais, opened the hallway bathroom and found the homeowner's daughter with her boyfriend....in the shower. The house itself wasn't that great, but after that moment, we noped the **** out of there real quick.
That was my day today, but I am hiding it here for a bit of levity + I have to talk to someone.
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I just want a train that isn't Boom, and I want to be able to use my ability on Boom
but like nothing is happening
and Idk what the votes are
Highroller is sitting on me
Azreal wants to kill you
Bessie is suspecting Tammy
Tubba isn't voting anyone
like wtf am I supposed to do man
can we vote Bur or something?
I'm not going to say, like, it should or shouldn't have happened, just that it's pretty much factual that no one really pushed her until you started posting catch up
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Sorry I don't remember who asked but yes Cuth could have a day ability
I still think if he was a wolf he'd be likely to carry the kill
I did not receive feedback on my ability use at all, but if I simply asked him I dunno that he'd think to lie about getting it even if he was a wolf?
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Uhhh there was something else I was going to reply to but I forget what it was and it's late so I'll check again in the morning
can we vote Bur or something?"
Oh wait no it was this
I kind of think Bur is exile-bait and I dunno that he spends vit to talk to tammy about non-game stuff if he's a wolf? I dunno seems kind of. Strange. Even if he has a bunch of vit.
Kind of want to wagon Azrael still I think
But I'm gonna make a list of all the players tomorrow and see who's who because I feel like half of the game is just. Not present in my consciousness at all.
Bur and Tubba in particular are two players I always think read wolfy, so I am hesitant about that (to me, just to be clear).
Going through the list with my guess
You trully don't care. (you have to pretend to, but the sooner your out, the better (from your perspective)
Vaimes want Boom out, but not necessarily via vote, maybe by you.
Tammy I don't know
Sloth wants me out of here, or maybe Az? Not sure. His response to Az has me a little conflicted. His other stuff is whatever.
Silver wants one of me or Az.
Cuth wants Boom
KJ no clue, but is still somehow town read (couldn't resist. I really don't see the town here). I thought he said something about disliking Highroller, but I can't recall
Azreal wants to lynch townies
Bur begrudingly wants to vote Boom
Tubba No clue
Highroller: Anyone who doesn't didn't claim town
Iso: Bur
Cantrip: no clue
Boomfrog: No clue. Was me before the backtrack.
Bessie: Tammy
I see your point LW. 2nd picks would be almost impossible. Curious though why you sided against me dying? You seem in the middle.
The one thing I want to give you ***** for (not really an attack on you) is that you called my silver vote bad, and than a literal post later, wanted him to be cop checked
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what do you mean?
Why do I keep flip-flopping on you, that is a question that only the Heavens can answer. On a more serious note, you have pretty much showed no TMI, and while your votes are mediocre, it doesn't really mean much, because there really is not much to push against
like I said before, I think a lot of your early stuff is more personality than anything
Az is just really convincing lol, but your response bounced me back
i don't think he's getting cleared any time soon, he's an alright yeet knowing what we know, and i get a shiny toy
it's not meta at all really, except a general personality read from what i know of her as a person
i spent the first post of the phase talking to wisp because i appreciated his not stealing a vit from me
he has nothing to lose from it but it makes the game a lot more enjoyable for me
and if we had to yeet a v at least he got something out of it
because like i said i think his claim is honest and he's been doing a genuine job of townsiding
i don't really have a town/wolf divide in terms of activity or engagement
i signed up for this game because of the people in it and the phase lengths
it's not a priority for me, i'll contribute and solve and interact when i'm here (and try to do so more because i don't feel i've been that helpful of late), but short of a much more thrilling solving environment i don't expect i'll suddenly turn up the volume knob
Not think his CC waffling post claim is TMIy at all?
Were you talking about someone else in that post?
I might have misinterpreted.
I pressumed since you quoted silver, the mention of "this guy" was silver. Looking back, you might have meant you hoped Silver could mechanically clear Cuth.
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Ok, here’s the statement that I guess I wrongly took as an insult:
I had two interpretations of this statement.
(1) I read others superficially.
(2) I’m new and I don’t know how to distinguish things.
I was thinking you meant (1) but now that you clarified this wasn’t an insult I see you meant (2).
Perhaps newbie me doesn’t understand active lurking? It was my understanding that active lurking was posting that was made to appear as content, but purposely purposely does nothing to move the game forward. Like popping in with some “content” which in actuality says you have nothing to say. And that it could happen on any page in the game.
Are you kidding it totally is LAMIST. Unless you are known for preferring to play as scum, which I gather from the dozen or so pages of content I have read on this forum, you are not. It appears you are comfortable with and prefer playing town, so this is an implied town claim.
See also:
Refer to the underlined, that is what I was interpreting as backtracking.
(1) Why are you afraid to post controversial opinions?
(2) Why do you want to draw my attention away from Tammy?
(3) Feel free to read the following. You can reply if you want.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/819650-realm-of-the-elderlings-mafia-day-2-blood-on?comment=1490
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/819650-realm-of-the-elderlings-mafia-day-2-blood-on?comment=1491
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/819650-realm-of-the-elderlings-mafia-day-2-blood-on?comment=1493
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/819650-realm-of-the-elderlings-mafia-day-2-blood-on?comment=1494
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/819650-realm-of-the-elderlings-mafia-day-2-blood-on?comment=1524
Does no one but Tammy and Silver read my posts?
Yeah I’m getting to it. I have read and made notes for Pages 1-9, and for Day 2. I’m trying to fill in some of what I skipped, but the content in this game is meta heavy (for both players and site). It would be nice if I could get some more replies to my questions it would help out.
Pre post edit, see Cuthalion's #1578 he replied to my questions, thanks.
That still doesn’t explain the cantrip read really. Him calling people town who think he’s scum isn’t really alignment indicative. The only nuanced read was the cc read really. And he gets after Johnny for “not talking” to him but neither did cantrip, he made a pressure attempt.
Hmmm not sure what to think there. I’ve been evaluating that conversation thinking there was a big misunderstanding, and I stil don’t think the “did you read more than you’re saying you did, is productive, but hrm. I know he posted today but I don’t remember any of it.
How I feel about it right now is that it’s still a weird angle to take for scum to accuse someone of reading more of the thread than they said they did. (How much do I want to depend on that though?)
How did vaimes do that?
I apologize for the lack of vote counts. Christmas preparations have been very time consuming. I will endeavor to have one today. Ping me with any concerns.
Already have gotten a chance to read some pages of the game, will do my best to get caught up as quick as I can.
I’ve reread the case now. I want to reread it again as there’s some stuff in there that I didn’t quite like, but he did point out a couple things that I had mentioned already, so there’s a bit of is he tight? Couple things off the top of my head.
When he’s attacking gj for the kj attack being too soft and that he’s stopping himself from actually calling him scum, he misses that after a question or two Johnny does push harder on him being more likely scum. It’s a page two read, and Johnny doesn’t push kJ hard but he does come down on him being more likely scum for which he gets pushback. As doesn’t seem to follow that conversation as it progresses.
He also misses that Johnny does spend some time, albeit short, talking about az’s alignment. He mentions that Az as a wolf is able to make sense and would be able to actually bury him and postulates that Az might be town that just can’t read him.
Those are just two things off the top of my heads. I wasn’t fond of the first numbered bits though.
Did you end up going back through it? What did you think?
Your name looks familiar but I don’t know if we ever played together.
We have! I want to say twice, but can't easily go check that currently. Pretty sure I was at least once hard scum reading you and wound up being completely wrong, though I can't for the life of me remember what game that was
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How's things?
I'm still here folks. Christmas in grocery sucks. I'm off tomorrow, so hopefully I can catch up fully tomorrow.
Holiday preparations have kept me busy and will probably keep me busy for next few days, so see you later!
he corrects himself on the second point I mentioned and expands on it later, so never mind that point of dislike.
lol! Just don’t do it again