Setting aside CC until we get confirmation on if CC would be notified about a roleblock, I have a really hard time seeing myself voting anyone but Cayvie and JT today.
JT was very scummy at the EoD yesterday but I think that Cayvie has higher equity. It's more about Jackrito's behavior than Cayvie's but Cayvie hasn't done a single thing that screams town to me.
I'm hurt GF. I feel like you may be trolling me this game. Are you trolling me?
There would be notification of a block per the mods. There are still a few far fetched scenario's I can come up with that make CC town, but none I believe.
There would be notification of a block per the mods. There are still a few far fetched scenario's I can come up with that make CC town, but none I believe.
You can ask the same hypothetical question yourself if you like Terry. The mods are great at answering rules interactions questions if you give them a specific example.
You can ask the same hypothetical question yourself if you like Terry. The mods are great at answering rules interactions questions if you give them a specific example.
You could have just said "I messaged with them on Discord". However, at this point it probably needs to be publicly posted by a mod.
You could have just said "I messaged with them on Discord". However, at this point it probably needs to be publicly posted by a mod.
I mean usually in cases like this they don't like to do public answers and prefer to have players uncertain of the rules ask them directly, but yeah I definitely could have used less snark.
As for the bussing scenario it's possible but not something I'm at all concerned about.
Like there is still a couple other potential scenario's where CC could be town but I don't believe in them at all and might not be mechanically possible (I've asked another question I don't want to make public yet).
What's going to be annoying is when CC comes back and says they did receive a notification of failure and just missed it.
CC fakeclaims a self-confirming role, targets silver, doesn't work, mod confirms CC would know if roleblocked and thus CC wasn't roleblocked
if silver's town he's either suiciding for no reason or doing a horrid job of thunderdoming
if silver's scum, on the other hand, we may be getting somewhere... but if it's w/w, why not just confirm the clear and continue onward? i don't think CC was so dead in the water, nor silver so deep in the PoE, as to necessitate a bus there
but maybe that's just my "keep the whole team alive at all costs" instincts kicking in
except that apparently involves me spending all of yesterday pushing someone you think is my partner, and then opening today voting someone you think is my other partner
you're forcing me into your PoE for bad reasons and i'm extremely curious as to why.
initial nk thought is that wolves want to maintain the status quo; given that, i find it somewhat likely that we're barking up the completely wrong tree, that there's a wolf roleblocker or something similar, and that this CC situation is a trap
because there's no way in hell WMU was the optimal NK target through a pure SPK lens, and i doubt it makes a ton of sense as a PR hunt either
Out of curiosity who do you think would have been the optimal NK?
if i put myself in the wolfteam's shoes i probably shoot axel or vaimes
CC fakeclaims a self-confirming role, targets silver, doesn't work, mod confirms CC would know if roleblocked and thus CC wasn't roleblocked
if silver's town he's either suiciding for no reason or doing a horrid job of thunderdoming
if silver's scum, on the other hand, we may be getting somewhere... but if it's w/w, why not just confirm the clear and continue onward? i don't think CC was so dead in the water, nor silver so deep in the PoE, as to necessitate a bus there
but maybe that's just my "keep the whole team alive at all costs" instincts kicking in
"If" I'm town I'm literally just telling the truth unless you think I'm lying for literally no reason
You completely left out that CC was the runner up to the misexecution yesterDay and may have decided that suiciding into me was his best play...
My read on you is that you're playing like a wolf lol
Tying me to his flip regardless of what it is so you can justify executing me either way the following Day
CC fakeclaims a self-confirming role, targets silver, doesn't work, mod confirms CC would know if roleblocked and thus CC wasn't roleblocked
if silver's town he's either suiciding for no reason or doing a horrid job of thunderdoming
if silver's scum, on the other hand, we may be getting somewhere... but if it's w/w, why not just confirm the clear and continue onward? i don't think CC was so dead in the water, nor silver so deep in the PoE, as to necessitate a bus there
but maybe that's just my "keep the whole team alive at all costs" instincts kicking in
"If" I'm town I'm literally just telling the truth unless you think I'm lying for literally no reason
You completely left out that CC was the runner up to the misexecution yesterDay and may have decided that suiciding into me was his best play...
My read on you is that you're playing like a wolf lol
Tying me to his flip regardless of what it is so you can justify executing me either way the following Day
to be clear, the "he" in the "if silver's town" statement refers to CC; gotta love unclear pronouns
i don't think suiciding into a villager is ever a wolf's best play
question for you: how did you arrive at me as a potential solve at start of night, as mentioned in #746?
except that apparently involves me spending all of yesterday pushing someone you think is my partner, and then opening today voting someone you think is my other partner
you're forcing me into your PoE for bad reasons and i'm extremely curious as to why.
> Calls me a wolf regardless of the flip of the person I directly contradicted who probably would never be executed if I had just said I got the message
> wonders why I'm wolf reading her
Voting Grapefruit based on "gut" at the beginning of a phase is not that big of a deal if you're partners tbh
initial nk thought is that wolves want to maintain the status quo; given that, i find it somewhat likely that we're barking up the completely wrong tree, that there's a wolf roleblocker or something similar, and that this CC situation is a trap
because there's no way in hell WMU was the optimal NK target through a pure SPK lens, and i doubt it makes a ton of sense as a PR hunt either
Out of curiosity who do you think would have been the optimal NK?
if i put myself in the wolfteam's shoes i probably shoot axel or vaimes
why not yourself? serious question
similar reasons as WMU; i had just recently arrived, and while i was villagery i wasn't completely dictating gamestate or anything like that. been pretty laid-back this game
(i also somewhat approached the question from a "who would i shoot if i were a wolf" angle so the "myself" answer didn't really immediately spring to mind)
don't necessarily think i would have been a BAD shot but still don't think i'm a t1 play for the wolfteam last night
CC fakeclaims a self-confirming role, targets silver, doesn't work, mod confirms CC would know if roleblocked and thus CC wasn't roleblocked
if silver's town he's either suiciding for no reason or doing a horrid job of thunderdoming
if silver's scum, on the other hand, we may be getting somewhere... but if it's w/w, why not just confirm the clear and continue onward? i don't think CC was so dead in the water, nor silver so deep in the PoE, as to necessitate a bus there
but maybe that's just my "keep the whole team alive at all costs" instincts kicking in
"If" I'm town I'm literally just telling the truth unless you think I'm lying for literally no reason
You completely left out that CC was the runner up to the misexecution yesterDay and may have decided that suiciding into me was his best play...
My read on you is that you're playing like a wolf lol
Tying me to his flip regardless of what it is so you can justify executing me either way the following Day
to be clear, the "he" in the "if silver's town" statement refers to CC; gotta love unclear pronouns
i don't think suiciding into a villager is ever a wolf's best play
question for you: how did you arrive at me as a potential solve at start of night, as mentioned in #746?
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I decided it probably isn't Terry, Vaimes/Highroller/Axelrod are probably just villagers, CC was probably a villager at start of Night, leaves you, Cayvie, Proph, Grape
initial nk thought is that wolves want to maintain the status quo; given that, i find it somewhat likely that we're barking up the completely wrong tree, that there's a wolf roleblocker or something similar, and that this CC situation is a trap
because there's no way in hell WMU was the optimal NK target through a pure SPK lens, and i doubt it makes a ton of sense as a PR hunt either
Out of curiosity who do you think would have been the optimal NK?
if i put myself in the wolfteam's shoes i probably shoot axel or vaimes
why not yourself? serious question
similar reasons as WMU; i had just recently arrived, and while i was villagery i wasn't completely dictating gamestate or anything like that. been pretty laid-back this game
(i also somewhat approached the question from a "who would i shoot if i were a wolf" angle so the "myself" answer didn't really immediately spring to mind)
don't necessarily think i would have been a BAD shot but still don't think i'm a t1 play for the wolfteam last night
thanks. the reason i ask is bc "there's no way in hell WMU was the optimal NK target through a pure SPK lens, and i doubt it makes a ton of sense as a PR hunt either" sounds, well, a bit like it's followed by Amy turning to the camera and winking to the audience. Also I'm getting a vibe that you're pocketing vaimes to go after me.
i mean my immediate instinct is that this means some of the claimed PRs are scum
This sticks out to me. Cayvie is almost never getting condemned toDay, but even if some of the claimed PR's are scum the lack of RB'ing is definitely notable. Probably even more notable.
@Silver when did you decide that Terry was town? I feel like I've missed something there.
@Silver while it's wine I'm one of those annoying players who keeps accidentally bussing their partners with no end goal in mind. Like Wisp used to do before he improved as scum.
My terry progression isn't in-thread, so no, you didn't really miss anything
After ZDS flipped I went through his posts and I don't ~really think he does this weird magic bag dance and ties Axelrod to himself and all the other stuff as a wolf
There's like, levels to this and I settled at the level where "Terry is a villager who crumbed badly and is upset he didn't get town read for it" rather than "Terry is a *wolf* who fake-crumbed badly and is upset he's under fire"
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I don't know what to make of this. I'm trying to imagine a scenario(outside of bastard moddery) where this doesn't mean that Silver is scum, but I realize that that very same reasoning is what is probably going to lead to everyone thinking that I am. Which I guess is fine, because when I show up town then you guys can go after Silver, and one for one is good. But if something else is going on and Silver actually IS town, than that's pretty much game. How likely is there to be a vig in this game? If we can take out Silver with out wasting a....yeet...then that would be a lot better. (God I hate that word)
Why Silver? He was a supporter yesterday. Wouldn't it have made a lot more sense to target someone who was suspicious of you?
He was the player I got the most consistent townie read from yesterday.
But why does that even matter for your ability? Were you concerned about targeting a scum and having that person lie? Seems unlikely.
But if I targeted scum and then they flip, it looks like I just had one of my buddies cover for me. Granted I would still get to use my ability the next night, but there's no guarantee that that next one would go through. So I prioritized credibility.
Out of curiosity who do you think would have been the optimal NK?
if i put myself in the wolfteam's shoes i probably shoot axel or vaimes
why not yourself? serious question
similar reasons as WMU; i had just recently arrived, and while i was villagery i wasn't completely dictating gamestate or anything like that. been pretty laid-back this game
(i also somewhat approached the question from a "who would i shoot if i were a wolf" angle so the "myself" answer didn't really immediately spring to mind)
don't necessarily think i would have been a BAD shot but still don't think i'm a t1 play for the wolfteam last night
thanks. the reason i ask is bc "there's no way in hell WMU was the optimal NK target through a pure SPK lens, and i doubt it makes a ton of sense as a PR hunt either" sounds, well, a bit like it's followed by Amy turning to the camera and winking to the audience. Also I'm getting a vibe that you're pocketing vaimes to go after me.
this is the third consecutive game where someone has scumread me for a reason similar to this
I mean yeah, closed setups can be Like That, so. I dunno.
I still believe in CC, if only because I don't see any way what he's doing advances his mafia wincon. Get one more misyeet, I guess, but I don't imagine he thinks people will side with him over Silver after he didn't die Day 1 and his ability didn't work.
I mean yeah, closed setups can be Like That, so. I dunno.
I still believe in CC, if only because I don't see any way what he's doing advances his mafia wincon. Get one more misyeet, I guess, but I don't imagine he thinks people will side with him over Silver after he didn't die Day 1 and his ability didn't work.
for the record, this is why i started considering whether or not it might be w/w - scum CC suiciding into a villager he prooooobably doesn't win a thunderdome against seems... odd.
CC's reaction feels very fake though. i don't think i buy that he's a villager.
My lizard brain wants to ignore everything and kill Cayvie.
I don't think CC and Silver can be vv unless there's some really specific setup-related shenanigans going on, but if anyone has scum role ideas that make sense my ears are open.
There would be notification of a block per the mods. There are still a few far fetched scenario's I can come up with that make CC town, but none I believe.
If CC wasn't blocked and wasn't redirected [because CC would have been notified], then maybe there was no message to begin with.
That, or Silver is lying and prompting a 1v1.
like "why on god's green earth would you 1 for 1 like this" tier
vote CropCircles
silver is probably outed if this flips v
i'm trying to figure out what the plan was here with cc wolf
Just sayin'
I mean usually in cases like this they don't like to do public answers and prefer to have players uncertain of the rules ask them directly, but yeah I definitely could have used less snark.
As for the bussing scenario it's possible but not something I'm at all concerned about.
Like there is still a couple other potential scenario's where CC could be town but I don't believe in them at all and might not be mechanically possible (I've asked another question I don't want to make public yet).
What's going to be annoying is when CC comes back and says they did receive a notification of failure and just missed it.
if silver's town he's either suiciding for no reason or doing a horrid job of thunderdoming
if silver's scum, on the other hand, we may be getting somewhere... but if it's w/w, why not just confirm the clear and continue onward? i don't think CC was so dead in the water, nor silver so deep in the PoE, as to necessitate a bus there
but maybe that's just my "keep the whole team alive at all costs" instincts kicking in
you're forcing me into your PoE for bad reasons and i'm extremely curious as to why.
why not yourself? serious question
You completely left out that CC was the runner up to the misexecution yesterDay and may have decided that suiciding into me was his best play...
My read on you is that you're playing like a wolf lol
Tying me to his flip regardless of what it is so you can justify executing me either way the following Day
i don't think suiciding into a villager is ever a wolf's best play
question for you: how did you arrive at me as a potential solve at start of night, as mentioned in #746?
> wonders why I'm wolf reading her
Voting Grapefruit based on "gut" at the beginning of a phase is not that big of a deal if you're partners tbh
(i also somewhat approached the question from a "who would i shoot if i were a wolf" angle so the "myself" answer didn't really immediately spring to mind)
don't necessarily think i would have been a BAD shot but still don't think i'm a t1 play for the wolfteam last night
gf stole my phone so may be a while
I decided it probably isn't Terry, Vaimes/Highroller/Axelrod are probably just villagers, CC was probably a villager at start of Night, leaves you, Cayvie, Proph, Grape
currently pending a response from the mod wrt cropcircles and silver, but I think in 95% of worlds cc is just scum
thanks. the reason i ask is bc "there's no way in hell WMU was the optimal NK target through a pure SPK lens, and i doubt it makes a ton of sense as a PR hunt either" sounds, well, a bit like it's followed by Amy turning to the camera and winking to the audience. Also I'm getting a vibe that you're pocketing vaimes to go after me.
I mean that would be possible from your POV but claiming there is no bussing involved is laughable. There would be a lot of bussing involved.
This sticks out to me. Cayvie is almost never getting condemned toDay, but even if some of the claimed PR's are scum the lack of RB'ing is definitely notable. Probably even more notable.
@Silver when did you decide that Terry was town? I feel like I've missed something there.
Hum
After ZDS flipped I went through his posts and I don't ~really think he does this weird magic bag dance and ties Axelrod to himself and all the other stuff as a wolf
There's like, levels to this and I settled at the level where "Terry is a villager who crumbed badly and is upset he didn't get town read for it" rather than "Terry is a *wolf* who fake-crumbed badly and is upset he's under fire"
I don't know what to make of this. I'm trying to imagine a scenario(outside of bastard moddery) where this doesn't mean that Silver is scum, but I realize that that very same reasoning is what is probably going to lead to everyone thinking that I am. Which I guess is fine, because when I show up town then you guys can go after Silver, and one for one is good. But if something else is going on and Silver actually IS town, than that's pretty much game. How likely is there to be a vig in this game? If we can take out Silver with out wasting a....yeet...then that would be a lot better. (God I hate that word)
BAAAAHHHH....I need to sleep on this.
But if I targeted scum and then they flip, it looks like I just had one of my buddies cover for me. Granted I would still get to use my ability the next night, but there's no guarantee that that next one would go through. So I prioritized credibility.
I mean given your play yesterday and the end of day wagon on you. Still need to reread. Priorities are shifting though.
i have been town in all of them
mafia is fun
but that's "i'm willing to lose to this and then yell at rhand postgame if it's real" tier
I still believe in CC, if only because I don't see any way what he's doing advances his mafia wincon. Get one more misyeet, I guess, but I don't imagine he thinks people will side with him over Silver after he didn't die Day 1 and his ability didn't work.
A. is there a reasonable world in which CC/silver is v/v
B. if not, do we resolve the tdome today, or do we look elsewhere
CC's reaction feels very fake though. i don't think i buy that he's a villager.
I don't think CC and Silver can be vv unless there's some really specific setup-related shenanigans going on, but if anyone has scum role ideas that make sense my ears are open.