I guess based on the targeting it could be a kill only bouncer but man. In this set up? And Chris would have to lie about his claim for that to be the case?
grape if mirror does what you're saying it does i assume it would be the mirror's targets that get bounced to self? so there's nothing weird about axel getting results, because it should be vaimes/yourself that got mirrored
you'll all have to reevaluate but I have Proph as towniest.
Also claiming because I know it doesn't work how Amy claimed because I was in fact able to neighborize Vaimes again last night. So it doesn't work that way which is why I want to hold off for a minute. But if we've already hammered it's not a big deal.
Also I've had HR/Vaimes paranoia for ages after he asked about neighbors D2. I knew he knew about my role and I figured it must have been a rolecop or Vaimes being in scum chat with him. I intend to leave my will with Vaimes tonight so I'll have more thoughts post flip.
Ohhh that was the claim it was just very poorly written.
Vaimes has been townier in buddy chat than in thread. I wouldn't bet the game on him but have him as very town.
So I'm very confused by HR's mirror info because it didn't bounce the things targeting me but also didn't bounce my chat with Vaimes (I have to target each night). So I'm not sure what it could do and want Chris to either claim it or claim scum.
town!proph would almost certainly mean we're back in the world where silver bussed, cause i rly don't think it's vaimes
i'll probably just reread the whole game over the next couple of days
Agreed. Just kind of think it's silver here. You've been pretty pure and I have no scum read on you but I can't point to any definitive evidence for you being town.
I will repeat: I don't actually know what targeted mirror does. I only get the names of roles.
For obvious reasons, I'm assuming it's not a traditional mirror. Not just because it, y'know, hasn't worked, but also because it would be EXTREMELY broken to redirect a nightkill back on a mafia in a 12-person game with, presumably, 3 mafia.
I'm aware. And this is a probably a really stupid tin foil because Chris is pretty caught but because the standard role doesn't add up I'm just paranoid that you messed up a fake claim and are either buddies with Chris or he's pulling a really ill advised gambit.
But probably he's just scum with a really weird ability.
Sir Chris (5) - Prophylaxis, Ampharos, Vaimes, Highroller, Axelrod
Not Voting (3): Grapefruit21, Silvercrys3467, Sir Chris
Day 3 end
Kip: Do you see what I see!?
Chip: Yes, it’s Sleepy. Sleeping on the job as usual.
Kip: He should be helping to find the culprits. Let’s wake him up!
Both: Sleepy! Wake up! You have work to do!
Chip: He doesn’t react. Something is wrong.
Kip: He isn’t sleeping, he is in a coma!
Chip: Oh no, another victim. Let’s find help.
Kip and Chip jump from tree to tree to find someone to help them.
Kip: There! A dwarf!
Chip: But… that’s Sleepy. He can’t have gotten there so fast.
Kip: We’ve been fooled!
The knowledge of the truth breaks the spell. A whirlwind engulfs Sleepy and moments later he is gone. Where he stood, a broken mirror lays on the ground.
Sir Chris has died. They were: Mirror on the Wall – Mafia Targeted Mirror
The other dwarves pick up Sleepy and put him in a casket close to Snow White’s.
“Not a big change”, one of them says.
Kip: This is the last time I’m playing hide and seek with dwarves!
Chip: Can’t find them?
Kip: Just one. I found all the others.
Chip: Oh I can guess which one is missing.
Kip: He’s so good at hiding!
Chip: I know, he does it all the time.
Kip: Oh there he is!
Chip: Looks like someone else found him first though.
Vaimes was poisoned and is in a coma. They were: Bashful the Dwarf – Town Vanilla
When the dwarves realize that Bashful won’t be found, they go look for him and find his body. They put it in a casket close to Snow White’s. Night 3 starts now. Night actions are due by 1 PM EST (7 PM Rhand time) on Tuesday, October 6th, and Day 2 will start about 1 hour after that.
Kip: Snow White was such a lovely lady!
Chip: She always had a nice stash of chestnuts.
Kip: I overheard she was in love!
Chip: I know. With Prince Charming.
Kip: This Prince Charming?
Chip: Yes, that's the one.
Kip: The one under the tree here?
Chip: Yup, that's him.
Kip: The one that could wake her up with a true love's kiss?
Chip: The very one.
Kip: Very sad that he's in a coma too then.
Axelrod is in a coma. They were Prince Charming, Town Jack of all Trades
Soon after, the dwarves arrive at the scene and put Prince Charming in a casket next to Snow White's.
It is now Day 4. Deadline is Friday, October 16th, 7pm GMT+1
Godfather-poisoner seems... far-fetched, so I don't think there's any reason to tinfoil Grapefruit here.
In my scattershot reread that I conducted last night, I did consider Highroller - while I think the roleclaim is really good and villagery (Bird the Voyeur? hell yeah), I don't think it's impossible for it to be faked, especially given that his claim came after Axel and Grape outed their targets.
Rereading D1, I found quite a few things that I think pointed away from Proph or Highroller being the last wolf. Proph's push on CC was early, and it was good; based on CC-Jack interactions, we can assume that the wolfteam intended to distance without full-on bussing, and I think Proph's push was strong enough to exit the realm of the former. Proph also got shaded a fair bit by Jack in a way that I don't think was very partnery.
Highroller I want to clear almost exclusively off CC's reaction to his push on ZDS. As y'all may or may not remember, Highroller came out the gate HARD against ZDS, tunneling him basically all of D1. CC's vote on ZDS, on the other hand, was an omgus made viable by the presence of legitimate town-originated pressure on ZDS - namely, Highroller. I think that entire situation plays out differently if Highroller's a wolf and CC's sheeping his buddy there - and combined with the roleclaim, that's good enough for me.
I didn't find anything super clearing OR damning on Silver for D1, but process of elimination already has him as the wolfiest of the 3 here, and then I started reconsidering the D2 CC stuff, and I thought to myself, "ok. I'm wolf!CC here. one of my partners is Cayvie. what do I do here?"
Important to note: there is no roleblocker in this game, and CERTAINLY not a scum roleblocker (again, I think roleblocker-poisoner is too out there given the level of power we've seen in this game, and anyways nobody's claimed blocked yet.) This is probably not something we would have deduced for sure on D2, but the later in the game we go the more confident we'd become. My point is this: there's no world in which CC endgamed with the FN claim. He can't spamclaim roleblocked for a number of reasons, and he can't keep clearing himself off teammates indefinitely because A. you run out of teammates eventually and B. linking the entire team together like that is stupid.
So OK, you decide the "claim roleblocked" plan is only delaying the inevitable, you try to get some actual utility out of your slot before you go down. You have three options: you claim you targeted a villager, attempt to win the thunderdome, and then almost certainly you get turboed the next day. You target a teammate, have them clear you, and you do this whole song and dance again the following night; but that's risky because if you go down, your teammate ALWAYS follows you. OR you target a teammate, have them DISPUTE your claim, have your thunderdome, and then whoever survives has a bit more safety due to the redflip.
There's some viability to believing they may have gone for the v-w thunderdome, I'll admit, but consider: one of your partners is Jackslot, and Jackslot almost certainly isn't endgaming. If you 1 for 1 yourself with ANYONE, you're pretty much banking on partner #3 as your win condition - and given that you're never endgaming as a fake FN, #3's probably already your wincon anyways. If you have a clear grasp on that, then I think the path is obvious: you try your damnedest to send your third partner deep. Claim a fake FN on them, have them dispute it, you almost certainly lose the thunderdome. Your partner now looks significantly better, and can fall back on "why the hell would a partner not just clear them" as a defense.
I haven't actually reread most of D2 prior to writing this. But I do distinctly remember Silver going after me pretty hard the instant I suggested he could be bussing.
My one caveat is that I don't actually know what Silver's plan is here if he's a wolf? My guess is that by offering himself up first, he hopes to look like a confident villager with no self-preservation instinct, which is a desperate gambit that I don't think I've ever seen work before, but I suppose wolf!Silver would be in a pretty desperate spot here, so.
Silver: if you ARE a villager, prove it. If I'm wrong on Proph, help me out. Do the due diligence, evaluate my slot beyond OMGUS, give town the absolute strongest legacy you can, because when you say "kill me first" I shrug and say "sounds good, think you're a wolf anyways."
I know I'm being an unimpressive villager but the fact is I don't have a smoking gun on you and I don't have the charisma, wim, time, or thread leverage to talk myself off the chopping block
Game is locked if we go you -> Proph but I have faith they'll get there in f3.
I know I'm being an unimpressive villager but the fact is I don't have a smoking gun on you and I don't have the charisma, wim, time, or thread leverage to talk myself off the chopping block
Game is locked if we go you -> Proph but I have faith they'll get there in f3.
bruh if you're town this is like the LEAST helpful
like fmpov it feels like the instant i accuse you your brain just shuts down and refuses to actually consider what i'm talking about
which is a large portion of why i feel fairly comfortable leaving highroller/proph cleared rather than being paranoid
but like... i have been wrong before. i will be wrong again. if you're town, then we need to buckle down and figure this out, because if you're town then we're BOTH wrong and proph is sitting in wolfchat laughing at us
(or grapefruit is freaking out over my correct tinfoil NO AMY BAD)
Presently thinking about whether Amy or Proph would have been more likely to poison Vaimes
Meta-analysis and day 1 reads say "Proph did it" but Amy has been trying to link me to CC's red flip since she replaced in so like
Meh
Can you elaborate on "meta-analysis"?
and FOR THE RECORD I didn't start sussing you until D2
Pretty much the only player in the game who would feel threatened by Vaimes is Proph, the poison makes sense from that PoV.
As far as being unhelpful yeah I'm not uh. I don't have, and didn't have, the time to really go through my usual process with wagon analysis and PBPAs and the whole nine yards; I've been stealing time from work to phone post in this game for most of it lol.
Presently thinking about whether Amy or Proph would have been more likely to poison Vaimes
Meta-analysis and day 1 reads say "Proph did it" but Amy has been trying to link me to CC's red flip since she replaced in so like
Meh
Can you elaborate on "meta-analysis"?
and FOR THE RECORD I didn't start sussing you until D2
Pretty much the only player in the game who would feel threatened by Vaimes is Proph, the poison makes sense from that PoV.
As far as being unhelpful yeah I'm not uh. I don't have, and didn't have, the time to really go through my usual process with wagon analysis and PBPAs and the whole nine yards; I've been stealing time from work to phone post in this game for most of it lol.
yeah, the vaimes poison in a world with two mech clears still alive is... weird. which means vaimes's reads and/or meta analysis may have to come into play
ftr there's no rush, we've got 2 weeks or whatever. i've shaken off the d3 malaise (lol sleepwalk dunks) and am fully back into fighting shape, let's ******* go
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This just isn't adding up at all.
So since Chris is scum then HR is mech clear I think.
I'm also okay with locking Axel in as well.
So that only leaves Vaimes, Proph, Amy, and Silver. That's pretty manageable.
that's my interpretation, anyways
proph, myself, vaimes, highroller, axel
would have to reread to know for sure
it's p exciting to know that we're actually gonna be playing mafia again!
Also claiming because I know it doesn't work how Amy claimed because I was in fact able to neighborize Vaimes again last night. So it doesn't work that way which is why I want to hold off for a minute. But if we've already hammered it's not a big deal.
Also I've had HR/Vaimes paranoia for ages after he asked about neighbors D2. I knew he knew about my role and I figured it must have been a rolecop or Vaimes being in scum chat with him. I intend to leave my will with Vaimes tonight so I'll have more thoughts post flip.
i'll probably just reread the whole game over the next couple of days
Vaimes has been townier in buddy chat than in thread. I wouldn't bet the game on him but have him as very town.
So I'm very confused by HR's mirror info because it didn't bounce the things targeting me but also didn't bounce my chat with Vaimes (I have to target each night). So I'm not sure what it could do and want Chris to either claim it or claim scum.
Agreed. Just kind of think it's silver here. You've been pretty pure and I have no scum read on you but I can't point to any definitive evidence for you being town.
For obvious reasons, I'm assuming it's not a traditional mirror. Not just because it, y'know, hasn't worked, but also because it would be EXTREMELY broken to redirect a nightkill back on a mafia in a 12-person game with, presumably, 3 mafia.
But probably he's just scum with a really weird ability.
I will check in a bit.
That’s a lynch! Please stop talking. Death scene coming asap.
Kip and Chip jump from tree to tree to find someone to help them.
The knowledge of the truth breaks the spell. A whirlwind engulfs Sleepy and moments later he is gone. Where he stood, a broken mirror lays on the ground.
Sir Chris has died. They were:
Mirror on the Wall – Mafia Targeted Mirror
The other dwarves pick up Sleepy and put him in a casket close to Snow White’s.
“Not a big change”, one of them says.
Vaimes was poisoned and is in a coma. They were:
Bashful the Dwarf – Town Vanilla
When the dwarves realize that Bashful won’t be found, they go look for him and find his body. They put it in a casket close to Snow White’s.
Night 3 starts now. Night actions are due by 1 PM EST (7 PM Rhand time) on Tuesday, October 6th, and Day 2 will start about 1 hour after that.
I'll elaborate when i can get to a pc
Think we should massclaim before we start pointing fingers at each other
should we wait for everyone to check in or
Also lol @ popping bottles theory
I'm Sneezy, town vanilla
Kill me/Amy in that order, Proph is a villager
GGz
Huntsman, Vanilla Town
i have no idea what rod was doing beyond trying to be "the manliest huntsman ever"
Crossvote in f3, Highroller plays king after Grape (presumably) dies. I have faith he'll get there.
One of you is lying because Vaimes was poisoned and it wasn't claimed, you aren't both vanilla.
Yeah, helpful, I know. He wasn't targeted by anything else.
So five alive:
1. silvercrys3467
3. Rodemy r. Ampharos
4. Prophylaxis
8. Grapefruit21
11. Highroller
Grape's confirmed town. I'm BIRD. No one else claimed a power role, right?
Presumably the final wolf is the Poisoned Apple but safeclaims, etc.
Meta-analysis and day 1 reads say "Proph did it" but Amy has been trying to link me to CC's red flip since she replaced in so like
Meh
Kind of feels like a wolf thing where she's trying to keep her voting options open and not genuine indecision.
Proph on the other hand... idk he could be a "reasonable wolf" but I kind of just think he's town. For raisins.
In my scattershot reread that I conducted last night, I did consider Highroller - while I think the roleclaim is really good and villagery (Bird the Voyeur? hell yeah), I don't think it's impossible for it to be faked, especially given that his claim came after Axel and Grape outed their targets.
Rereading D1, I found quite a few things that I think pointed away from Proph or Highroller being the last wolf. Proph's push on CC was early, and it was good; based on CC-Jack interactions, we can assume that the wolfteam intended to distance without full-on bussing, and I think Proph's push was strong enough to exit the realm of the former. Proph also got shaded a fair bit by Jack in a way that I don't think was very partnery.
Highroller I want to clear almost exclusively off CC's reaction to his push on ZDS. As y'all may or may not remember, Highroller came out the gate HARD against ZDS, tunneling him basically all of D1. CC's vote on ZDS, on the other hand, was an omgus made viable by the presence of legitimate town-originated pressure on ZDS - namely, Highroller. I think that entire situation plays out differently if Highroller's a wolf and CC's sheeping his buddy there - and combined with the roleclaim, that's good enough for me.
I didn't find anything super clearing OR damning on Silver for D1, but process of elimination already has him as the wolfiest of the 3 here, and then I started reconsidering the D2 CC stuff, and I thought to myself, "ok. I'm wolf!CC here. one of my partners is Cayvie. what do I do here?"
Important to note: there is no roleblocker in this game, and CERTAINLY not a scum roleblocker (again, I think roleblocker-poisoner is too out there given the level of power we've seen in this game, and anyways nobody's claimed blocked yet.) This is probably not something we would have deduced for sure on D2, but the later in the game we go the more confident we'd become. My point is this: there's no world in which CC endgamed with the FN claim. He can't spamclaim roleblocked for a number of reasons, and he can't keep clearing himself off teammates indefinitely because A. you run out of teammates eventually and B. linking the entire team together like that is stupid.
So OK, you decide the "claim roleblocked" plan is only delaying the inevitable, you try to get some actual utility out of your slot before you go down. You have three options: you claim you targeted a villager, attempt to win the thunderdome, and then almost certainly you get turboed the next day. You target a teammate, have them clear you, and you do this whole song and dance again the following night; but that's risky because if you go down, your teammate ALWAYS follows you. OR you target a teammate, have them DISPUTE your claim, have your thunderdome, and then whoever survives has a bit more safety due to the redflip.
There's some viability to believing they may have gone for the v-w thunderdome, I'll admit, but consider: one of your partners is Jackslot, and Jackslot almost certainly isn't endgaming. If you 1 for 1 yourself with ANYONE, you're pretty much banking on partner #3 as your win condition - and given that you're never endgaming as a fake FN, #3's probably already your wincon anyways. If you have a clear grasp on that, then I think the path is obvious: you try your damnedest to send your third partner deep. Claim a fake FN on them, have them dispute it, you almost certainly lose the thunderdome. Your partner now looks significantly better, and can fall back on "why the hell would a partner not just clear them" as a defense.
I haven't actually reread most of D2 prior to writing this. But I do distinctly remember Silver going after me pretty hard the instant I suggested he could be bussing.
My one caveat is that I don't actually know what Silver's plan is here if he's a wolf? My guess is that by offering himself up first, he hopes to look like a confident villager with no self-preservation instinct, which is a desperate gambit that I don't think I've ever seen work before, but I suppose wolf!Silver would be in a pretty desperate spot here, so.
Silver: if you ARE a villager, prove it. If I'm wrong on Proph, help me out. Do the due diligence, evaluate my slot beyond OMGUS, give town the absolute strongest legacy you can, because when you say "kill me first" I shrug and say "sounds good, think you're a wolf anyways."
super flavorful
alexa delete this thought from my brain please LMAO
I know I'm being an unimpressive villager but the fact is I don't have a smoking gun on you and I don't have the charisma, wim, time, or thread leverage to talk myself off the chopping block
Game is locked if we go you -> Proph but I have faith they'll get there in f3.
and FOR THE RECORD I didn't start sussing you until D2
which is a large portion of why i feel fairly comfortable leaving highroller/proph cleared rather than being paranoid
but like... i have been wrong before. i will be wrong again. if you're town, then we need to buckle down and figure this out, because if you're town then we're BOTH wrong and proph is sitting in wolfchat laughing at us
(or grapefruit is freaking out over my correct tinfoil NO AMY BAD)
i'm a ******* dumbass
ok thank god for that at least
As far as being unhelpful yeah I'm not uh. I don't have, and didn't have, the time to really go through my usual process with wagon analysis and PBPAs and the whole nine yards; I've been stealing time from work to phone post in this game for most of it lol.
i'm much more sold on highroller v than proph v
may have to iso him