Simplest explanation is that one of you is lying. Anything else and we just lose to unknown setup mechanics.
Yes, one of us is lying. I happen to know it's not me. But of course no one is going to believe me after I almost got eliminated yesterday and my claim is what saved me. Which seems fine because one for one is good for us. But there's no way Silver would trade like that, it has to be a trap.
Yes, one of us is lying. I happen to know it's not me. But of course no one is going to believe me after I almost got eliminated yesterday and my claim is what saved me. Which seems fine because one for one is good for us. But there's no way Silver would trade like that, it has to be a trap.
This is what we call a "cross that bridge when we come to it" scenario. I am not going to stress now about hypotheticals in the event you flip Town.
Like, I can see a scum Silver (+team) deciding "We can either "confirm" CC, which will almost certainly require us to NK him later, or, we can let him go down, go two-miss-yeets up on the Town, and then just see if I can talk my way out of it the next day, and if I can't *shrug* we're still up. This is in the range of reasonable possibilities.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I don't follow. There is no silent redirector in the scenario I'm proposing.
Sorry, you mentioned the possibility of Siler being a self-redirector. I'm saying, even if that were the case, your ability would be redirected and thus you would get a message.
Why would I bother flipping my ZDS read and not voting you to save him yesterDay just to lie and try to get you executed toDay?
Like, if we're W/V I feel like I just confirm your ability and shoot you later because that must have already been my plan when I took you out of the execution pool yesterDay.
/wine I guess but like. Man. It'd be pretty silly.
I'm really very uninterested in dragging this day out. If anyone has objections to condemning CC now is the time to make them because if not we should move forward to avoid dragging this out and demotivating people.
Why would I bother flipping my ZDS read and not voting you to save him yesterDay just to lie and try to get you executed toDay?
ZDS and I were the only really viable wagons at that point, and after I claimed it was pretty clear that it was going to be ZDS. You probably backed off because you figured he would be the lunch anyway and than you would look better for having backed off. The fact that you're bringing this up as a defense just proves that you were thinking about how it appears.
You also said this shortly after you backed off:
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I will vote any of the other current wagons to save CropCircles and will vote CropCircles to prevent no execution; my preference at this point in time is Terry.
So you're willing to vote any other wagon, the main one at that point being ZDS. So you backed off, but really only as a matter of appearance. Got it.
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Like, if we're W/V I feel like I just confirm your ability and shoot you later because that must have already been my plan when I took you out of the execution pool yesterDay.
/wine I guess but like. Man. It'd be pretty silly.
Yeah. That it'd be the play. That's why it's so confusing that you didn't. But I have to assume there's a reason.
I just need a clarification on something: CropCircles, what is your role and who did you target last night, again?
just to save time here, CC claimed “Doc”, friendly neighbor, with the ability to target a player at night and then that player is supposedly mod-informed that CC is Town.
CC claimed he targeted Silver last night, but Silver has said he received no information.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'm really very uninterested in dragging this day out. If anyone has objections to condemning CC now is the time to make them because if not we should move forward to avoid dragging this out and demotivating people.
Everyone has checked in for the day now. No one yet has offered a defense of CC that's compelling. HR is the only person left who hasn't taken a stance. I'm happy to let him post his thoughts, but once he does what exactly are we waiting for?
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'm working without access to this site (except maybe quick looks on the phone) tomorrow, and I really don't want CC hammered while I'm away. I haven't even finished looking at the ZDS stuff yet.
So, no hammering anyone please.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
There also is no reason not to. I'm not saying we need to finish it today or tomorrow, but letting this drag for the whole deadline would be a waste of all our time and energy. Let people do their dives and post analysis if they want, but unless we're going to change targets dragging this on is a waste because getting two flips always changes things and makes these rereads easier.
There is basically a zero percent chance I vote anyone else today based on anything but hard mechanical evidence.
Yeah, you know, there's still plenty we could accomplish today. Reading the room, it's obvious I'm the bonk today. But that doesn't mean we can't continue on with the day as normal. We could still run up a suspect instead of just resigning ourselves to the inevitable outcome.
I'm working without access to this site (except maybe quick looks on the phone) tomorrow, and I really don't want CC hammered while I'm away. I haven't even finished looking at the ZDS stuff yet.
I object to ending day immediately because it always benefits the mafia to end day as quickly as possible once one of their own is outed. The less posts you make, the less people have to scrutinize later.
Here's my idea for a fun party game: we all answer the question, "Based on the events of the game so far, should CC flip mafia, who should we lynch next?"
Take the time to get caught up before answering, goodness knows I need to give the thread a thorough reread.
Cayvie if there isn't a relevant NK with Silver as a 2nd choice depending on how the day goes. But Cayvie is a very easy choice for me if CC flips scum.
Maaaybe Proph, but I'd need another Day phase to decide. I was hoping early on that his posting toDay would assuage my suspicions, but now there's a dichotomy and people feel less inclined to post, so.
This is still tingling my spider senses. Can you explain in a bit more detail why this is where your first thought would go?
I'm not going into detail, no. It's role-related.
I will say that it is helpful to know that scum either could not (because no RB) or did not (because fakeclaims) roleblock the only two open PR claims on Day 1.
If we're going to play this parlor game we might as well discuss spewed clears as well because they are more interesting than buddies to me. I have two people I'd hard clear based on a CC scum flip. Curious where others are.
Anyway still eager to have the flip. Happy for people to have their digging and posting but like 72 hours is reasonable for that. Not a whole week.
Is it really that different from speculating about who we'd scum read based on the flip?
I can't see a difference between saying who I'd suspect and who I'd town read. If the idea is that we're giving mafia targets on who to kill that's insulting to their intelligence because they can read too.
But seriously if we're not going to speculate about who to town read and we're not voting anyone else what exactly is the point of spending more than a second longer than necessary on today?
Terry - responding to my inquiries from two days ago.
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1) I fundamentally disagree with these premises making me scum:
"His catchup in the midgame feels strongly reminiscent of my scum self"
-This isn't something that makes someone scum
Ehh it feels like arguing with you about /why/ I think you are mafia is kind of useless because there's no way you would ever admit you are mafia, but I'll just respond to these bits here.
Sure, that point in itself doesn't make someone scum. What does make someone scum, then? Mafia is a game of interpreting semantics and using that to figure out if a player has more knowledge than they are letting on.
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"he does a lot of note taking and observing, but he doesn't really ask questions or interrogate players in his catchup."
-To me, that's what I do in a catchup post. Then through out the game I ask questions when I have them. Personally, I actually find people asking a lot directed questions a bit suspect. It seems like an attempt to look interested in scum hunting, while not really doing any real work in case-building or taking stances. I don't think asking questions is the only way to find scum.
Then talk about your read on me if you truly believe what you are saying here. I've been asking a *ton* of questions throughout this game in order to gauge mindsets and figure out where people are at. I don't know what your current read on me is right now, but when you were catching up you had me as a fairly solid townread (mostly for agreeing with my statements?) - so tell me how this tracks.
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-I'm afraid that's not really my meta, if I could say so myself. I view myself a bit more proactive/reactive. Inquisitive isn't really how I think you view me.
Proactive and reactive are literally two opposite words. How can you be both at the same time, lol
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2) Yeah point 2 was a bad point. I'm glad we agree.
This is just me speaking, but this statement from you triggers my gut pings SO HARD. It's like you're saying "oh you caught me, but this point against me sucks" or something like that.
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-Ok, so it looks like your main issue is the word "interpreted" and you said I sounded like I was "trying to convince himself that it is". I wasn't trying to convince myself, I just was talking it out and seeing if it makes sense. It was very early in the game.
Let me take a different approach to this topic - Do you think this sentence makes sense? I had to read it like 10 times by myself, and even then I'm still not sure if I'm interpreting it correctly.
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1) Ok, first off it's post 20, are you really diving that deep? That being said, I didn't feel drawing a distinction between Highroller's claim and Rod's justified a vote on ZDS, which he straight up says was to end RVS, which could be interpreted as forcing.
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-See 1) regarding my meta. I did a bit more than join the bandwagon on CC, so I think that's a misuse of terms. You also seem to forget that I was pretty vocal about ZDS not being scum (despite having to vote him at the end of the day to save myself (#1 Town, 100%)). So... I felt that my involvement in everything throughout Day 1 was more than most, so why are you signaling me out for "cruising" as you imply? I'd find it hard for anyone to read my ISO and come up with that conclusion.
Tell me this - would you have posted nearly enough on Day 1 had you not been run up? I feel like most of your contributions came as the day went on came when you were being pressured.
Ehh it feels like arguing with you about /why/ I think you are mafia is kind of useless because there's no way you would ever admit you are mafia, but I'll just respond to these bits here.
Welcome to mafia.
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Sure, that point in itself doesn't make someone scum. What does make someone scum, then? Mafia is a game of interpreting semantics and using that to figure out if a player has more knowledge than they are letting on.
Circles are my shape, not yours.
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Then talk about your read on me if you truly believe what you are saying here. I've been asking a *ton* of questions throughout this game in order to gauge mindsets and figure out where people are at. I don't know what your current read on me is right now, but when you were catching up you had me as a fairly solid townread (mostly for agreeing with my statements?) - so tell me how this tracks.
Nope nope nope. Homey don't play that.
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Proactive and reactive are literally two opposite words. How can you be both at the same time, lol
Sometimes you're one, sometimes you're the other. Duality is easy to understand when you're not trying too hard.
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This is just me speaking, but this statement from you triggers my gut pings SO HARD. It's like you're saying "oh you caught me, but this point against me sucks" or something like that.
TRIGGERED. I'M TRIGGERED. SOME CALL SOMEBODY!!!!1
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Let me take a different approach to this topic - Do you think this sentence makes sense? I had to read it like 10 times by myself, and even then I'm still not sure if I'm interpreting it correctly.
Yeah I got nothing. It just...no. It just doesn't make any sense.
Still though.
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I feel like the OP warning that redirections are notified but then having a silent redirector is pretty much lying.
Like, I can see a scum Silver (+team) deciding "We can either "confirm" CC, which will almost certainly require us to NK him later, or, we can let him go down, go two-miss-yeets up on the Town, and then just see if I can talk my way out of it the next day, and if I can't *shrug* we're still up. This is in the range of reasonable possibilities.
Like, if we're W/V I feel like I just confirm your ability and shoot you later because that must have already been my plan when I took you out of the execution pool yesterDay.
/wine I guess but like. Man. It'd be pretty silly.
You also said this shortly after you backed off: So you're willing to vote any other wagon, the main one at that point being ZDS. So you backed off, but really only as a matter of appearance. Got it.
Yeah. That it'd be the play. That's why it's so confusing that you didn't. But I have to assume there's a reason.
I just need a clarification on something: CropCircles, what is your role and who did you target last night, again?
Why would I bother saving you yesterDay just to contradict you toDay it makes zero sense
The role as claimed is a multi shot reveal their alignment to target player at night and they claimed to target Silver.
CC claimed he targeted Silver last night, but Silver has said he received no information.
Everyone has checked in for the day now. No one yet has offered a defense of CC that's compelling. HR is the only person left who hasn't taken a stance. I'm happy to let him post his thoughts, but once he does what exactly are we waiting for?
Or is it totally unrelated to that, and "Friendly Neighbor" is referring to the give-someone-else-inspection thing?
Despite the naming similarities the two roles aren't linked in any way.
Friendly neighbor is a night action, single target, innocent child (alignment reveal). A neighborizer is a chat maker.
So, no hammering anyone please.
There is basically a zero percent chance I vote anyone else today based on anything but hard mechanical evidence.
I'll be around more tomorrow, been busy preparing for a job interview
"Let CC flip then I'll evaluate things" is like 80% of my viewpoint rn though
Who's shocked?
I object to ending day immediately because it always benefits the mafia to end day as quickly as possible once one of their own is outed. The less posts you make, the less people have to scrutinize later.
Here's my idea for a fun party game: we all answer the question, "Based on the events of the game so far, should CC flip mafia, who should we lynch next?"
Take the time to get caught up before answering, goodness knows I need to give the thread a thorough reread.
Maaaybe Proph, but I'd need another Day phase to decide. I was hoping early on that his posting toDay would assuage my suspicions, but now there's a dichotomy and people feel less inclined to post, so.
Also, why did your first vote of the day go to Cayvie and not CC?
I will say that it is helpful to know that scum either could not (because no RB) or did not (because fakeclaims) roleblock the only two open PR claims on Day 1.
Because I'm actively scumreading Cayvie and not CC? And CC confidently claimed that Silver got his message?
Why him above anyone else?
Anyway still eager to have the flip. Happy for people to have their digging and posting but like 72 hours is reasonable for that. Not a whole week.
FOS: Grape for this and wanting to end day quickly.
I can't see a difference between saying who I'd suspect and who I'd town read. If the idea is that we're giving mafia targets on who to kill that's insulting to their intelligence because they can read too.
But seriously if we're not going to speculate about who to town read and we're not voting anyone else what exactly is the point of spending more than a second longer than necessary on today?
Which is why we should run up another suspect and possibly get a claim. There's no reason we have to be victims of the presented dichotomy.
Vote cayvie
She's on my list, and there are clearly enough people on board.
Ehh it feels like arguing with you about /why/ I think you are mafia is kind of useless because there's no way you would ever admit you are mafia, but I'll just respond to these bits here.
Sure, that point in itself doesn't make someone scum. What does make someone scum, then? Mafia is a game of interpreting semantics and using that to figure out if a player has more knowledge than they are letting on.
Then talk about your read on me if you truly believe what you are saying here. I've been asking a *ton* of questions throughout this game in order to gauge mindsets and figure out where people are at. I don't know what your current read on me is right now, but when you were catching up you had me as a fairly solid townread (mostly for agreeing with my statements?) - so tell me how this tracks.
Proactive and reactive are literally two opposite words. How can you be both at the same time, lol
This is just me speaking, but this statement from you triggers my gut pings SO HARD. It's like you're saying "oh you caught me, but this point against me sucks" or something like that.
Let me take a different approach to this topic - Do you think this sentence makes sense? I had to read it like 10 times by myself, and even then I'm still not sure if I'm interpreting it correctly.
Tell me this - would you have posted nearly enough on Day 1 had you not been run up? I feel like most of your contributions came as the day went on came when you were being pressured.
Circles are my shape, not yours.
Nope nope nope. Homey don't play that. Sometimes you're one, sometimes you're the other. Duality is easy to understand when you're not trying too hard.
TRIGGERED. I'M TRIGGERED. SOME CALL SOMEBODY!!!!1
Yeah I got nothing. It just...no. It just doesn't make any sense.
Still though.
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