If I pretend I was Town, then I don’t feel too bad. My targets were mostly good (excepting Konan, who I blame Shadow for).
Wait what are you blaming me for?
I, uh, incorrectly, but completely reasonably believed that a vanilla townie you would not have made the posts you made at the beginning of the game and would not have gone hawking for a Dark Mark without knowing what it would do for you over other people with actual roles. So I lobbied hard for Konan’s yeet (I may not get used to calling it that) after he claimed.
ah, see I assumed that as a vanilla townie, the reference to the dark mark might have been someone special to my role, hence why I said something.
I saw that my replacement got lynched, but didn’t see the circumstances surrounding it.
Still I enjoyed some of the people here for the first time.
It's sad it took you ~15 years before you started enjoying the people here. And only some of them, too.
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Not sure if this is a serious frowny face or not. I mean that I enjoyed playing with some of the new people who have never played here before. Not that I never enjoyed playing here or people here before. Some of you are okay.
As someone who only skimmed the thread, I have a question: why did orangeandblack get modkilled?
See the three-ish posts I made immediately before my modkill was announced
In short, I think we've all agreed that it shouldn't have happened, but at the time an assumption was made that I was acting in bad faith to try and gain an advantage through abuse of out-of-game information when, in truth, I was not. Hence the modkill.
As someone who only skimmed the thread, I have a question: why did orangeandblack get modkilled?
See the three-ish posts I made immediately before my modkill was announced
In short, I think we've all agreed that it shouldn't have happened, but at the time an assumption was made that I was acting in bad faith to try and gain an advantage through abuse of out-of-game information when, in truth, I was not. Hence the modkill.
My understanding of this is quite different. There was a mass warning in game to keep OOG things out of thread. You we warned privatly already about this as well. Finally you brought in another OOG thing to help read a player.
I let y'all know when stuff was rough in my life because it's genuinely helpful when it comes to dealing with people to know where their head is at
I'm not about to let people derail things into pointless arguments with somebody who has more important ***** to deal with rn
This quote demonstrates that you were indeed using this OOG thing to help read a player. It doesn't matter what your intention was. You attempted to use OOG information and brought it in to help read someone.
As someone who only skimmed the thread, I have a question: why did orangeandblack get modkilled?
See the three-ish posts I made immediately before my modkill was announced
In short, I think we've all agreed that it shouldn't have happened, but at the time an assumption was made that I was acting in bad faith to try and gain an advantage through abuse of out-of-game information when, in truth, I was not. Hence the modkill.
My understanding of this is quite different. There was a mass warning in game to keep OOG things out of thread. You we warned privatly already about this as well. Finally you brought in another OOG thing to help read a player.
I let y'all know when stuff was rough in my life because it's genuinely helpful when it comes to dealing with people to know where their head is at
I'm not about to let people derail things into pointless arguments with somebody who has more important ***** to deal with rn
This quote demonstrates that you were indeed using this OOG thing to help read a player. It doesn't matter what your intention was. You attempted to use OOG information and brought it in to help read someone.
Your understanding of this is incorrect, as osie will attest to.
At no point was I individually warned about anything this entire game, and I have no memory of any generic warning being made in the time since I subbed in (it's possible one was indeed made, but by the time I had heard there was a threadwide warning, I had also been informed that my actions were, upon further review, found to be entirely devoid of malicious intent, so I didn't bother looking for one).
Additionally, I was not bringing in out-of-game info to help read any player or push any agenda. I was only trying to break up a fight between two people before things devolved into further hostilities. I have been doing this for long enough to know that that kind of behavior is frankly disgusting, and would never attempt to exploit somebody else's misfortune for a small advantage in a mere game.
I do readily admit it was insensitive of me to bring up things from another player's personal life without asking them if that is something they are okay with. It was wrong of me to assume that just because he had posted about his situation in two other widely public group chats also meant he was okay with having it brought up in-game, and for that I am truly sorry.
However, my own words that you just quoted directly contradict your suggestion that I was doing anything with that information other than trying to avoid Wisp going through any more emotional duress on what was already a bad day. I even mentioned having told people about my own circumstances when they were rough so people would hopefully understand if I was emotionally drained during the game. It is clear there was no ill intent here, and I have been told as much by every moderator involved with the game. And while I ultimately understand their decision to modkill me before realizing this, in no way do I deserve to have untrue accusations leveled against me after I was essentially modkilled for being insensitive.
All relevant parties will readily confirm everything I say here to be true. Please stop baselessly slandering me by making no good-faith attempt to understand the situation before commenting on it in a manner that insults my integrity as a player. Thank you.
If you can't keep your posts civil, step away from the thread.
If you can't keep OGI out of your posts, you shouldn't be playing mafia.
You have been warned.
Osie has said that he did warn you, but in a way that wasn't that great. When this was discussed as an option he simply said he warned you. So neither you or I was correct in our above explanations. Frankly I guess this private warning doesn't matter, there was a public one and it was made pretty explicit in the "You have been warned." part.
Perhaps I was too abrupt in the way that I tried to explain this nuanced issue, so let me explain more thourghly.
I am not claiming that I think what you did was because of an agenda. What you did seemed to me that you knew Wisp was going through a hard time, saw him being pushed and felt that he deserved some slack because of OGI information. I think in someways that is noble(I don't really see it as you trying to get an advantage), it just isn't allowed by the rules. OGI info is banned it doesn't matter what your reason for bringing it in is.
I'm not slandering you I'm simply stating that the modkill was correct under the rules of the game and the warnings of the game. I never once implied that your comments were in bad faith, the only thing about intent that I said was that your intent doesn't matter and it doesn't. It is a strict ban and that's that.
Why does everything have to be escalated into a damn argument?
Orange was modkilled for OGI/Angleshooting - Bringing personal information shared in an outside-the-game context into the game.
This was after a global warning. At the time, I had also sent an unclear notification to orange about another post for other angleshooting-related reasons. This was not explicitly a warning, as Orange and I have since discussed. Part of the reason that the modkill was locked in further was the follow-up post that Orange had made about information being helpful, which directly supported the original post being shared to further orange's win condition.
Almost the entire time, I did not feel with certainty that orange was acting with malicious intent, but more so that it was such a clear-cut case that a modkill was warranted. I still maintain that the game sanctity would have been fundamentally damaged had Orange been allowed to continue to play. Afterwards, I reached out to Orange and made clear that I didn't feel that his actions were malicious, but had I felt that his actions were intentionally malicious, I would have permanently blacklisted him from my games and sought a site probation or blacklist here and elsewhere.
That's not to say that his actions were not problematic. I stand by the modkill. But I do not feel that his actions were in bad faith. This situation has been talked out by the relevant people involved. There's no hard feelings. The situation is understood.
If we both agree on what osie just said, which we do, I think that settles that.
It is very clear to me that I messed up, and I acknowledge and accept that going forward, making sure to learn from the experience.
I am, however, not okay with suggestions that I was disobeying personal mod warnings or was acting to try and gain any sort of in-game advantage, when neither is true. I will accept on good faith this was not your intent, and apologize for taking it as such.
I agree with osie that all relevant parties have talked about this sufficiently long enough to reach understanding, and there is no further need for public discourse on the topic beyond osie's statement above, which basically covers all relevant points.
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StaffI saw that my replacement got lynched, but didn’t see the circumstances surrounding it.
That Osie guy though. He's a real stinker.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModSee the three-ish posts I made immediately before my modkill was announced
In short, I think we've all agreed that it shouldn't have happened, but at the time an assumption was made that I was acting in bad faith to try and gain an advantage through abuse of out-of-game information when, in truth, I was not. Hence the modkill.
My understanding of this is quite different. There was a mass warning in game to keep OOG things out of thread. You we warned privatly already about this as well. Finally you brought in another OOG thing to help read a player.
This quote demonstrates that you were indeed using this OOG thing to help read a player. It doesn't matter what your intention was. You attempted to use OOG information and brought it in to help read someone.
Your understanding of this is incorrect, as osie will attest to.
At no point was I individually warned about anything this entire game, and I have no memory of any generic warning being made in the time since I subbed in (it's possible one was indeed made, but by the time I had heard there was a threadwide warning, I had also been informed that my actions were, upon further review, found to be entirely devoid of malicious intent, so I didn't bother looking for one).
Additionally, I was not bringing in out-of-game info to help read any player or push any agenda. I was only trying to break up a fight between two people before things devolved into further hostilities. I have been doing this for long enough to know that that kind of behavior is frankly disgusting, and would never attempt to exploit somebody else's misfortune for a small advantage in a mere game.
I do readily admit it was insensitive of me to bring up things from another player's personal life without asking them if that is something they are okay with. It was wrong of me to assume that just because he had posted about his situation in two other widely public group chats also meant he was okay with having it brought up in-game, and for that I am truly sorry.
However, my own words that you just quoted directly contradict your suggestion that I was doing anything with that information other than trying to avoid Wisp going through any more emotional duress on what was already a bad day. I even mentioned having told people about my own circumstances when they were rough so people would hopefully understand if I was emotionally drained during the game. It is clear there was no ill intent here, and I have been told as much by every moderator involved with the game. And while I ultimately understand their decision to modkill me before realizing this, in no way do I deserve to have untrue accusations leveled against me after I was essentially modkilled for being insensitive.
All relevant parties will readily confirm everything I say here to be true. Please stop baselessly slandering me by making no good-faith attempt to understand the situation before commenting on it in a manner that insults my integrity as a player. Thank you.
Osie has said that he did warn you, but in a way that wasn't that great. When this was discussed as an option he simply said he warned you. So neither you or I was correct in our above explanations. Frankly I guess this private warning doesn't matter, there was a public one and it was made pretty explicit in the "You have been warned." part.
Perhaps I was too abrupt in the way that I tried to explain this nuanced issue, so let me explain more thourghly.
I am not claiming that I think what you did was because of an agenda. What you did seemed to me that you knew Wisp was going through a hard time, saw him being pushed and felt that he deserved some slack because of OGI information. I think in someways that is noble(I don't really see it as you trying to get an advantage), it just isn't allowed by the rules. OGI info is banned it doesn't matter what your reason for bringing it in is.
I'm not slandering you I'm simply stating that the modkill was correct under the rules of the game and the warnings of the game. I never once implied that your comments were in bad faith, the only thing about intent that I said was that your intent doesn't matter and it doesn't. It is a strict ban and that's that.
Why does everything have to be escalated into a damn argument?
Orange was modkilled for OGI/Angleshooting - Bringing personal information shared in an outside-the-game context into the game.
This was after a global warning. At the time, I had also sent an unclear notification to orange about another post for other angleshooting-related reasons. This was not explicitly a warning, as Orange and I have since discussed. Part of the reason that the modkill was locked in further was the follow-up post that Orange had made about information being helpful, which directly supported the original post being shared to further orange's win condition.
Almost the entire time, I did not feel with certainty that orange was acting with malicious intent, but more so that it was such a clear-cut case that a modkill was warranted. I still maintain that the game sanctity would have been fundamentally damaged had Orange been allowed to continue to play. Afterwards, I reached out to Orange and made clear that I didn't feel that his actions were malicious, but had I felt that his actions were intentionally malicious, I would have permanently blacklisted him from my games and sought a site probation or blacklist here and elsewhere.
That's not to say that his actions were not problematic. I stand by the modkill. But I do not feel that his actions were in bad faith. This situation has been talked out by the relevant people involved. There's no hard feelings. The situation is understood.
It is very clear to me that I messed up, and I acknowledge and accept that going forward, making sure to learn from the experience.
I am, however, not okay with suggestions that I was disobeying personal mod warnings or was acting to try and gain any sort of in-game advantage, when neither is true. I will accept on good faith this was not your intent, and apologize for taking it as such.
I agree with osie that all relevant parties have talked about this sufficiently long enough to reach understanding, and there is no further need for public discourse on the topic beyond osie's statement above, which basically covers all relevant points.