oh for ****'s sake we really out here hammering huh
Yeah, I didn’t want to but if I’m going to have confirmed town starting a counter wagon on me when one of my top 3 suspects is sitting at L-1 I have to take the shot. I know what I’ll flip and at least there is a chance that starling will flip scum.
Seriously? What were my options? It’s not like I’ve been sitting here saying Starling was town all day and hammered him out of nowhere. I hammer and I get a shot that Starling flips scum because I know I won’t. I’m not going to take a chance that a weak POE push on me by “confirmed town” leads to my mislynch.
I’m probably dead unless I hit the nk. So go town? Yeah
The way I look at it, I’m pretty sure a mason will get shot. You should be good. There should be only two NK tonight. I bet... hmm yeah... you might be dead. I don’t think scum team and sk team both shoot into the masons at risk of hitting the same one. That being said maybe you are safe if they don’t want to risk a double kill on you too. Bah too much wine.
I’m probably dead unless I hit the nk. So go town? Yeah
The way I look at it, I’m pretty sure a mason will get shot. You should be good. There should be only two NK tonight. I bet... hmm yeah... you might be dead. I don’t think scum team and sk team both shoot into the masons at risk of hitting the same one. That being said maybe you are safe if they don’t want to risk a double kill on you too. Bah too much wine.
it's less about options and more about how you went about it
I guess I could chalk that up to your personality though since I can't say for sure if scum!Terry or town!terry is more likely to use that kind of reasoning to say he looks better than other people
@LW: Well I do look better than other people. I’m tall, tan, quite handsome and not at all stinky. I’m a former professional athlete and have post graduate degrees (*disclaimer: some or all of those things might be true and I’m half-joking about it). I’m being very pro town and get offended when people don’t see that. It’s frustrating to see people just get looked over that are making zero posts that are helpful to town. I think all of those are NAI traits for me and I think you (LW) would agree.
I don't think I ever as town used, "How can you think I look worse then X Y or Z" except, out of emotion, which is a thing
to call them NAI means I am using meta to look away from posts that I think are bad, not that I don't sometimes do it, but in your case, I haven't played enough games with you to care
If I ask enough people, "How do you feel about Terry", and if many of them can't produce some semblance of a town read on you, then the problem isn't us, its you
Why do you think people keep placing you in the PoE?
@Terry
I don't think I ever as town used, "How can you think I look worse then X Y or Z" except, out of emotion, which is a thing
to call them NAI means I am using meta to look away from posts that I think are bad, not that I don't sometimes do it, but in your case, I haven't played enough games with you to care
If I ask enough people, "How do you feel about Terry", and if many of them can't produce some semblance of a town read on you, then the problem isn't us, its you
Why do you think people keep placing you in the PoE?
@Terry
Im rightfully in the POE. Nothing mechanically clears me and probably nothing will. I will need to get lynched eventually but I’d like to see as many of my POE lynched before I do. The point is, I don’t think I should be next on the list
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also is this kinda thing not against the rules here
note to self to start leaving hidden acrostics for every possible claim if I ever roll scum here
Honestly this game is kinda a mess so I have no idea what kind of legacy to even try to leave.
I'm not convinced that Triss is scum; she seems to have a habit of falling down rabbit holes, and her yeet just seems too easy.
Tentatively trusting Amy and Tom's claim. Apparently he crumbled it earlier, which I missed, and could be faked, but probably go with it for now.
Currently I'd look at both Terry's.
I think Rhand, Wisp, and Rod are already out of everyone's PoE's, and I think they should definitely stay there. I just don't really see any of them being scum, but ig we still don't really know how Riddles work
convenient that this is given after being called out
TOWN DOES NOT RELY ON A 3P CLAIM FLIPPING IN THEIR STEAD ENOUGH TO BLATANTLY AVOID GIVING ANY LEGACY READS
if Axel does die instead somehow (that's not normal for Angels anywhere I've seen them) I highly encourage a shot on this slot so we can use tomorrow better than today
convenient that this is given after being called out
TOWN DOES NOT RELY ON A 3P CLAIM FLIPPING IN THEIR STEAD ENOUGH TO BLATANTLY AVOID GIVING ANY LEGACY READS
if Axel does die instead somehow (that's not normal for Angels anywhere I've seen them) I highly encourage a shot on this slot so we can use tomorrow better than today
starling can probably be double tapped if axel dies here
joe looks bad for the hammer regardless of star's alignment; he had a really strong scumread on starling today, then gradually walked it back by pushing on WMU/triss harder and harder, then came out of nowhere to hammer when suspicion started moving in his direction - and in his post about it, he said starling "could" flip scum, which is a much weaker read than he had previously given
to me, this looks very much like a bus; even if star's town, however, it's a hammer that's inconsistent with his previous progression and it cuts off another couple days' worth of discussions
joe also does very little with the tubba slot; he makes one token post in tubba's direction on d1 without ever attempting to form a read on him, and afaict doesn't mention tubba at all d2 until after the modkill, at which point he specs that tubba's flipping scum. i understand that tubba's a lowposter slot, but i find the complete ignorance to be sus
all of this is a lengthy way of saying "joe's my strongest wolfread outside of starling, who i kinda think just Has To Be A Wolf here, so there's where you can go next"
rhand and wisp are mechanically clear barring another voldemort claim - and i think it's fairly evident at this point that one isn't forthcoming
rod isn't mech clear but he's been one of my strongest v reads all game and i suspect that his claim makes him >>>rand v. you can MAYBE tinfoil this if he lives way longer than he should, given PR, but he's almost certainly just town
orange looks like an unlikely tubba partner due to being the first one to point out tubba softing tracker/watcher to rhand, and handled the situation in a villagery way
lagoon is playing at a significantly higher volume than i recall from them in the last game i played with them and thus gets a pass off meta for now. this is the first slot whose feet i would hold to the fire out of my "non-poe" slots; make sure he's always being forced to produce content, provide reads, to interact with the game as a player rather than posting like a spectator
tom thinks terr and star are hard unaligned, and while i'm not quite as strong on the read as he is, i do agree that terr moves largely out of the PoE off a starling w!flip. i have nothing clearing on this slot if star flips v.
trisscar is a very rand-leaning slot to me; their iso is kinda pure tonally, but pretty barren as far as content goes. probably you have to flip this at some point; hopefully it doesn't flip v
WMU is the slot i have the weakest handle on and one that i intend to do some rereading for during the night phase. i think she's likely not-w/w with joe, so that's a potential way she can be cleared
convenient that this is given after being called out
TOWN DOES NOT RELY ON A 3P CLAIM FLIPPING IN THEIR STEAD ENOUGH TO BLATANTLY AVOID GIVING ANY LEGACY READS
if Axel does die instead somehow (that's not normal for Angels anywhere I've seen them) I highly encourage a shot on this slot so we can use tomorrow better than today
@Orange "I'm feeling much better today after receiving the good news that my family probably doesn't have COVID despite exposure"
Ayyy! Also please be careful regardless though.
@JoeTerry
Apologies, but tend to agree that hammering was not the play here even if you were worried about being swung onto; we had like three days or so to hash things out if that happened, and cutting it off that way makes it harder for town later as well as now. Also tend to agree that if no one can town read you, it has to do with how you present yourself and your thoughts, not just with mechanics.
Or that could be your plan and I'm talking to a wall, unno.
@Joe starling's flip clears me tbh, no way I try to hardsink them yesterday while saving sloth and today while saving tom when if I wasn't on them it woulda been mainly TerRaine who has very little "pushing power"
@Amy no I'm not a Carrow, and I can basically prove that if need be
also at this point I no longer believe it's another every-other-cycle poisoner, it's probably just a kill
@Joe starling's flip clears me tbh, no way I try to hardsink them yesterday while saving sloth and today while saving tom when if I wasn't on them it woulda been mainly TerRaine who has very little "pushing power"
@Amy no I'm not a Carrow, and I can basically prove that if need be
also at this point I no longer believe it's another every-other-cycle poisoner, it's probably just a kill
the carrow thing was a joke lol but good to know
if we don't get a poison death tonight/poisoned claim tomorrow then yeah i'm on board with there not being another poisoner. in that case i'd almost be inclined to think that they've got a factional nightkill? since tying that to one role seems kinda weird designwise
furthermore if we're not looking at double scum kp we're almost certainly at 3 scum remaining. i was tinfoiling 2 earlier because i could find reasons to weakly discard quite a few associatives, but i think 2 makes more sense
that would mean we started 13/4/2/1 (assuming axel) which... seems fine? seems like a decent guess to me, anyways
@Joe starling's flip clears me tbh, no way I try to hardsink them yesterday while saving sloth and today while saving tom when if I wasn't on them it woulda been mainly TerRaine who has very little "pushing power"
@Amy no I'm not a Carrow, and I can basically prove that if need be
also at this point I no longer believe it's another every-other-cycle poisoner, it's probably just a kill
Why does this read like you know what Starling will flip?
@Joe starling's flip clears me tbh, no way I try to hardsink them yesterday while saving sloth and today while saving tom when if I wasn't on them it woulda been mainly TerRaine who has very little "pushing power"
@Amy no I'm not a Carrow, and I can basically prove that if need be
also at this point I no longer believe it's another every-other-cycle poisoner, it's probably just a kill
Why does this read like you know what Starling will flip?
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```If Starling (Draco Malfoy) would die while you are alive, you die instead.```
When you receive a Dark Mark, your worries will be lessened.
You win if Starling is alive at the end of the game, whether or not you are.
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and it doesn't make me feel better about Terry at all lol
neither does his, "How am I worst than sterling/WMU/Triss", post
it's probably like Ter/Terry/Ster
which means, we had 3 3Ps against the town
.,.bye a wee I mean I drank a bottle of wine.
I guess I could chalk that up to your personality though since I can't say for sure if scum!Terry or town!terry is more likely to use that kind of reasoning to say he looks better than other people
we voted to throw a party. you weren’t invited though
Will catch up after this evening's Flyswatter session with MU
except, out of emotion, which is a thing
to call them NAI means I am using meta to look away from posts that I think are bad, not that I don't sometimes do it, but in your case, I haven't played enough games with you to care
If I ask enough people, "How do you feel about Terry", and if many of them can't produce some semblance of a town read on you, then the problem isn't us, its you
Why do you think people keep placing you in the PoE?
@Terry
its because I haven't seen anything I truly thought was wolfy out of them
only you and Ster have given me reasons to think, maybe they are wolves
also Ter, I dislike many of Ter's posts, from what I remember
That's fine. Ill just party by myself.
Also the only reason I'm not at all suspicious of Joe's hammer despite my townread is that Starling absolutely flips scum here
note to self to start leaving hidden acrostics for every possible claim if I ever roll scum here
I'm not convinced that Triss is scum; she seems to have a habit of falling down rabbit holes, and her yeet just seems too easy.
Tentatively trusting Amy and Tom's claim. Apparently he crumbled it earlier, which I missed, and could be faked, but probably go with it for now.
Currently I'd look at both Terry's.
I think Rhand, Wisp, and Rod are already out of everyone's PoE's, and I think they should definitely stay there. I just don't really see any of them being scum, but ig we still don't really know how Riddles work
TOWN DOES NOT RELY ON A 3P CLAIM FLIPPING IN THEIR STEAD ENOUGH TO BLATANTLY AVOID GIVING ANY LEGACY READS
if Axel does die instead somehow (that's not normal for Angels anywhere I've seen them) I highly encourage a shot on this slot so we can use tomorrow better than today
starling can probably be double tapped if axel dies here
joe looks bad for the hammer regardless of star's alignment; he had a really strong scumread on starling today, then gradually walked it back by pushing on WMU/triss harder and harder, then came out of nowhere to hammer when suspicion started moving in his direction - and in his post about it, he said starling "could" flip scum, which is a much weaker read than he had previously given
to me, this looks very much like a bus; even if star's town, however, it's a hammer that's inconsistent with his previous progression and it cuts off another couple days' worth of discussions
joe also does very little with the tubba slot; he makes one token post in tubba's direction on d1 without ever attempting to form a read on him, and afaict doesn't mention tubba at all d2 until after the modkill, at which point he specs that tubba's flipping scum. i understand that tubba's a lowposter slot, but i find the complete ignorance to be sus
all of this is a lengthy way of saying "joe's my strongest wolfread outside of starling, who i kinda think just Has To Be A Wolf here, so there's where you can go next"
rhand and wisp are mechanically clear barring another voldemort claim - and i think it's fairly evident at this point that one isn't forthcoming
rod isn't mech clear but he's been one of my strongest v reads all game and i suspect that his claim makes him >>>rand v. you can MAYBE tinfoil this if he lives way longer than he should, given PR, but he's almost certainly just town
orange looks like an unlikely tubba partner due to being the first one to point out tubba softing tracker/watcher to rhand, and handled the situation in a villagery way
lagoon is playing at a significantly higher volume than i recall from them in the last game i played with them and thus gets a pass off meta for now. this is the first slot whose feet i would hold to the fire out of my "non-poe" slots; make sure he's always being forced to produce content, provide reads, to interact with the game as a player rather than posting like a spectator
tom thinks terr and star are hard unaligned, and while i'm not quite as strong on the read as he is, i do agree that terr moves largely out of the PoE off a starling w!flip. i have nothing clearing on this slot if star flips v.
trisscar is a very rand-leaning slot to me; their iso is kinda pure tonally, but pretty barren as far as content goes. probably you have to flip this at some point; hopefully it doesn't flip v
WMU is the slot i have the weakest handle on and one that i intend to do some rereading for during the night phase. i think she's likely not-w/w with joe, so that's a potential way she can be cleared
not notice that our cop died last night
rhand, if you have a mark to give, please target one of: myself, lagoon
wisp, if you have a mark to give, please target one of: tom, orange
if you're carrow you could always throw us a bone
also I'll /barn Amy's thoughts on the slot without actually confirming if they are true
"I'm feeling much better today after receiving the good news that my family probably doesn't have COVID despite exposure"
Ayyy! Also please be careful regardless though.
@JoeTerry
Apologies, but tend to agree that hammering was not the play here even if you were worried about being swung onto; we had like three days or so to hash things out if that happened, and cutting it off that way makes it harder for town later as well as now. Also tend to agree that if no one can town read you, it has to do with how you present yourself and your thoughts, not just with mechanics.
Or that could be your plan and I'm talking to a wall, unno.
@Amy no I'm not a Carrow, and I can basically prove that if need be
also at this point I no longer believe it's another every-other-cycle poisoner, it's probably just a kill
if we don't get a poison death tonight/poisoned claim tomorrow then yeah i'm on board with there not being another poisoner. in that case i'd almost be inclined to think that they've got a factional nightkill? since tying that to one role seems kinda weird designwise
furthermore if we're not looking at double scum kp we're almost certainly at 3 scum remaining. i was tinfoiling 2 earlier because i could find reasons to weakly discard quite a few associatives, but i think 2 makes more sense
that would mean we started 13/4/2/1 (assuming axel) which... seems fine? seems like a decent guess to me, anyways
Why does this read like you know what Starling will flip?
Amys legacy is mostly mine too idk where my reads end and hers start anyway
yes its good
i bet toms never seen it, he's just been combing tumblr for random gifs with witches in them
One of Osie's HP Fanfiction Recommendations:
Starling has been eliminated.
Axelrod has died instead!
Axelrod was Severus Snape, Neutral Angel
*A Potions genius and a double agent, you promised Narcissa Malfoy that you would protect her son, and so you seek to do so, while masterfully hiding your true intentions from all others.*
```If Starling (Draco Malfoy) would die while you are alive, you die instead.```
When you receive a Dark Mark, your worries will be lessened.
You win if Starling is alive at the end of the game, whether or not you are.
Night 3 starts now. Night 3 actions are due in about 41 hours, and Day 4 will start about 12 hours later.
DO NOT POST IN THE THREAD DURING THE NIGHT PHASE UNLESS YOUR ROLE ALLOWS OTHERWISE.