@Axel: what happens when your target becomes Tom Riddle?
In other news, Trisscar is probably mafia.
Well, presumably if that player is alive at the end of the game, I win. Doesn't matter if I am myself alive at that point. I don't see how their own win condition changing (or, in this case, an "additional" win condition being added, would change that.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I am still here but haven’t been machine guns posting because I wanted to be able to have a discussion of why I don’t care to super explain reads from a post made from a computer and I’m still on a phone but also I don’t want to fall off so be prepared for an abridged version of that sorry.
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My last thought is that Tubba must be Mafia, because the only people who are benefiting from this delayed reveal are the Mafia who already know the answer. This is Osie's way of making it up to them, if only a little.
'cause if he's town and we're just being denied info the scum already have, and we're (the Town, that is, who I am still counting myself a member of) about to go farther into the hole, we just don't know it yet, that's ********.
/metareads
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
This meta talk became already too fluffy. I think i said my oppinion few times. You seem to agree that using meta to accuse someone is a towny thing to do and i can only shrug at this.
Noted your refusal to express your reads at request. That means you forgot them?
Just sos ya know, the bolded part isn't visible on my end.
@Axel: what happens when your target becomes Tom Riddle?
In other news, Trisscar is probably mafia.
Well, presumably if that player is alive at the end of the game, I win. Doesn't matter if I am myself alive at that point. I don't see how their own win condition changing (or, in this case, an "additional" win condition being added, would change that.
So your role is purely based on a player, not on role XXX, played by player YYY?
My last thought is that Tubba must be Mafia, because the only people who are benefiting from this delayed reveal are the Mafia who already know the answer. This is Osie's way of making it up to them, if only a little.
'cause if he's town and we're just being denied info the scum already have, and we're (the Town, that is, who I am still counting myself a member of) about to go farther into the hole, we just don't know it yet, that's ********.
/metareads
I had that thought too, but it felt wrong to out it
@Axel: what happens when your target becomes Tom Riddle?
In other news, Trisscar is probably mafia.
Well, presumably if that player is alive at the end of the game, I win. Doesn't matter if I am myself alive at that point. I don't see how their own win condition changing (or, in this case, an "additional" win condition being added, would change that.
So your role is purely based on a player, not on role XXX, played by player YYY?
It is purely based on the player. I was not even told their "role."
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Axel: what happens when your target becomes Tom Riddle?
In other news, Trisscar is probably mafia.
Well, presumably if that player is alive at the end of the game, I win. Doesn't matter if I am myself alive at that point. I don't see how their own win condition changing (or, in this case, an "additional" win condition being added, would change that.
So your role is purely based on a player, not on role XXX, played by player YYY?
It is purely based on the player. I was not even told their "role."
@Axel: what happens when your target becomes Tom Riddle?
In other news, Trisscar is probably mafia.
Well, presumably if that player is alive at the end of the game, I win. Doesn't matter if I am myself alive at that point. I don't see how their own win condition changing (or, in this case, an "additional" win condition being added, would change that.
So your role is purely based on a player, not on role XXX, played by player YYY?
It is purely based on the player. I was not even told their "role."
@Axel: what happens when your target becomes Tom Riddle?
In other news, Trisscar is probably mafia.
Well, presumably if that player is alive at the end of the game, I win. Doesn't matter if I am myself alive at that point. I don't see how their own win condition changing (or, in this case, an "additional" win condition being added, would change that.
So your role is purely based on a player, not on role XXX, played by player YYY?
It is purely based on the player. I was not even told their "role."
you dont have flavor?
Didn't say that.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
My last thought is that Tubba must be Mafia, because the only people who are benefiting from this delayed reveal are the Mafia who already know the answer. This is Osie's way of making it up to them, if only a little.
'cause if he's town and we're just being denied info the scum already have, and we're (the Town, that is, who I am still counting myself a member of) about to go farther into the hole, we just don't know it yet, that's ********.
/metareads
I had that thought too, but it felt wrong to out it
My last thought is that Tubba must be Mafia, because the only people who are benefiting from this delayed reveal are the Mafia who already know the answer. This is Osie's way of making it up to them, if only a little.
'cause if he's town and we're just being denied info the scum already have, and we're (the Town, that is, who I am still counting myself a member of) about to go farther into the hole, we just don't know it yet, that's ********.
/metareads
I had that thought too, but it felt wrong to out it
Wait why?
Because it’s that thin line of what we should or shouldn’t be discussing.
Basically for the same reasons we don’t discuss why someone replaces.
You said you needed to see more from me, then a few posts later declared me "probably maf". Given the sheer amount of arguments over pretty much that exact behavior in this long a** thread, it didn't seem conducive to my mental health to jump on you over it.
Plus as far as I remember you're either still reading through the mess, or just read through it, so I assumed that sooner or later you'd either make a case I could actually respond to, or I'd have to call you out on a lack of it anyway.
You said you needed to see more from me, then a few posts later declared me "probably maf". Given the sheer amount of arguments over pretty much that exact behavior in this long a** thread, it didn't seem conducive to my mental health to jump on you over it.
Plus as far as I remember you're either still reading through the mess, or just read through it, so I assumed that sooner or later you'd either make a case I could actually respond to, or I'd have to call you out on a lack of it anyway.
I like this reply from triss. Why are they mafia rhand?
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Speaking of which... Tubba Fett has been modkilled for repeated inactivity. Irregardless of their alignment, they can no longer win under any condition. Their role reveal will wait until a later, appropriate time.
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Fulrcum says “I am still happy with my Rodemy, Terry, Lagoon, Amy, Terraine town reads/coven.” Which likely means her partner is in that grouping. No KJ there though.
Fulrcum not with Sloth
I have admittedly not read a single Fulcrum post but I'm curious as to where this is and more importantly why you have drawn these specific conclusions
Why don't you ignore a 'wolf' you 'caught' and keep asking about posts and whatnot?
Because again this game is a team effort. This game isn't about "yay I think found scum I win" its about "Yay I think I found scum and have to build a case to support this to others."
Not sure how I feel about you kinda just hopping onto my point wholesale (this is like the third time you've been like "yeah, exactly what orange said" about this)
I know in this case it's a pretty NAI thing to be agreeing with but like that just feels kinda pocket-y?
In P1605 Amy votes me, starting my wagon, Wisp votes Konan in P#1625 followed by Tom in post 1627, though Wisp switches to ZDS is post 1647.
Fulcrum votes me in P#1648 followed by Konan in post 1650.
Now my wagon have 3 votes, Amy who implied i am a better wagon in post 1637, Fulcrum and Konan.
Wisp in post 1652 makes my wagon a 4 players one and Tom comes the 5th for 'towncred', didn't find yet if he explained what that towncred means
@Tom, maybe you can give details about your P#1657.
The 6th is Killjoy in post 1658 voting with a joke, I don't understand this vote too tbh. Post 1660, Amy seized the weirdness of the quick wagon formed, but Lagoon is the 7th on my wagon in post 1661.
WMU (7) - amy, fonti, konan, last, tom, KJ, lagoon
Konan (3) - ZDS, Terr, WMU
ZDS (3) - Rodemy, JoeTerry, Jack
tom (2) - kpaca, Tubba
Sloth (1) - Fuwa
Rod (1) - Trisscar
Not voting: Axelrod, Rhand, Slothful
I almost won the popularity contest of day 1, but Wisp understood i am villager and retured to ZDS in post 1667.
Tom is backing up very quick voting Konan in the next post, a bare vote.
Amy in 1674 votes Tuba asking Wisp why am I villager.
Lagoon votes without any explanation ZDS in post 1675.
Axel votes Konan too in post 1690 followed by Jack in 1694, Fulcrum in 1695 and Wisp in 1696.
the votes now are
Lagoon comes the 9th in post 1699
Konan comes back and in post 1716 he votes ZDS, Fulcrum switches as well for ZDS, no wonder he didn't care about the lynch. Wisp goes on ZDS too in post 1721 (and i am happy i am not hosting this game) Lagoon too in 1722.
Wisp switches for Tubba in post 1732.
Jack votes Tubba in post 1739, bare vote again and with his vote the 2 wagons of Konan and ZDS are tied again, this time without Tom, and we know they are both villagers.
Axel in P#1747 shows how Konan should be the lynch from the way Shadow claimed.
Post 1748 Wisp votes Konan, followed by Axel in 1750.
post 1753, Awa votes ZDS because her town leans were voting in that wagon.
1768 Kpaca unvotes.
1782, after Konan said he can see Shadow's posts on Discord, Fulcrum votes Konan.
1792 Kpaca votes Konan too prob the 9th vote according to Awa.
1795 Fulcrum unvotes to avoid hammer
1831 Rodemy quoted a Konan post and voted Konan. 1832 Jack unvoted and the Konan wagon is at 8 P#1841.
Last votes are from Fulcrum in post 1842, Awa in 1843, Lagoon in 1847
1855 Trisscar unvoted but that was after the hammer.
The dynamic of these votes was really interesting to watch step by step and most probably without Sloth asking i would forget about Rodemy's post (used with 48h as longest DP, maximum played 5 days DP and 2 days NP) and i would still postpone to check it like this. I still have to answer at Rodemy's and Sloth's posts, btw
Things i noticed are: the intense sheeping mood of almost everyone, the read Wisp had for me, the fact Wisp was listened in that read while he was itt, the fact Konan could not defend himself and was not believed and the fact in the last big wagons no wolf was in danger.
If you really need to check this last sentence by my flip, you can do it, but don't complain i didn't tell i am villager.
I am not really expert in wagonomics and i can't figure how the movement between 3 town wagons would make someone really scum, but I have some question marks for the next vote changes and for final votes who remained until Eod:
- Tom voted me for towncredit. I asked about it, and if i missed the answer please excuse me and link it to me.
- Killjoy voted me for tomcredit, whatever this means. And dropped the vote and left. I wish to know why.
- in Konan voters Terraine didn't switch his vote at all after that vote, he was in Konan's wagon when i voted and there remained until Eod. Can i know why?
- Lagoon switched many time his votes and hammered, i think is too in your face for scum so i'd say he is most probably villager for it, but i don't really know Lagoon as player. Can you explain me this voting behaviour Lagoon?
I will let this for now and return later if i find new clues.
All what i said about Terry is not contradicted by this Eod. Just saying.
Self-analyzing the wagon on yourself that faded into t/t wagons is pretty damn ballsy if scum
Even if we assume WMU is specifically trying to do VCA first to plant the seeds in people's minds that what they say is how things are (which this really doesn't sound like, considering it draws, like, no conclusions at all) that's still pretty bold
Hey guys sorry had some personal things going on but I am back. I will be able to catch up toMorrow but I have a little time to do so right now
Why do people keep saying toDay and toMorrow with capital letters?
Usually ToDay is in reference to the Phase (so like Youll catch up through this Day 2 Phase rather than the literal today 7/8/20). So...assuming toMorrow means next Day phase. Could be wrong
Why don't you ignore a 'wolf' you 'caught' and keep asking about posts and whatnot?
Because again this game is a team effort. This game isn't about "yay I think found scum I win" its about "Yay I think I found scum and have to build a case to support this to others."
Not sure how I feel about you kinda just hopping onto my point wholesale (this is like the third time you've been like "yeah, exactly what orange said" about this)
I know in this case it's a pretty NAI thing to be agreeing with but like that just feels kinda pocket-y?
I mean...you're right. I'm not going to completely ignore common sense and good play jus because I didn't say it first.
How am I wrong here? Given kpaca's near-complete refusal to put reads/progression into the thread, it seems p likely he's trying to cover a weakness in portraying natural progression, and this is a fault in exactly that
Is anyone here that wants to help me with some things? We are kind of assuming Axel is 3P right? Are there any other claimed 3P?
why do we care about Axel's claim so much
With any luck he'll get vigged - aorn he seems to be prodding enough where I'm not super inclined to start going after him before at least one scum flip, even if I can't really be asked to spend any energy reading wallposts from a 3p slot
Did you get Riddle-ified or something? Because I remember you talking a lot about Axel's reads D1 but I don't remember you talking about his role whatsoever
Hey fulcrum why don’t you answer my question instead of telling me to “calm down”
why are you looking for arguments for or against killjoy
Right, sorry, I'm still kind of in a weird headspace, but getting better.
Um, killjoy? Because I don't know him really well and want to call him town but don't feel comfortable with, like, commitment man so I want to rely on my other townreads to check me.
Current Killjoy reminds me of Matter Killjoy: obsessed with Axelrod, doing his own thing, not much of a presence otherwise. He doesn't give me the bad vibes he gave me in Matter (as town), but I'm also not paying as much attention so maybe that's why. Also it *feels* like he's less active, but maybe he's just being drowned by the crowd. He's in my ok pile.
I don't get why killjoy is in your ok pile, from the other things you've said about him. Like, you're saying he gave you bad vibes previously when he was town, yeah? So, wouldn't him not giving you the same vibes this game be somewhat concerning, not a reason to townread him? Same thing on him not having much of presence and the Axelrod obsession, those things aren't usually considered towny. What am I missing here?
>calls him town
>but not too town
>but actually no read
>shading zds for townreading him
Okay while that is odd wouldn't you normally treat how you read a partner with more caution?
Tom riddle wins if tom riddle lives. Flip unannounced.
It makes sense that anyone aligned with riddle has that win condition
Well, I'm not sure there's a point in arguing with you about it, but the Tom Riddle role apparently already has a built in redundancy to it, exactly what do you think I am if I'm not what I claimed? You think I am a Tom Riddle also?
I've liked what I've seen from OrangeBlack so far and thought Fuwa was ok for the most part except for their vote on Konan after saying they didn't want to vote a VT asking for the Dark Mark for "Role Stuff". I'm gonna town lean on this slot for now too.
I don't know what exactly you're referring to here but I will confirm that "Role Stuff" does indeed exist.
'cause if he's town and we're just being denied info the scum already have, and we're (the Town, that is, who I am still counting myself a member of) about to go farther into the hole, we just don't know it yet, that's ********.
/metareads
Just sos ya know, the bolded part isn't visible on my end.
Sloths almost definitely not with fonti
So your role is purely based on a player, not on role XXX, played by player YYY?
I had that thought too, but it felt wrong to out it
Meh. Shame.
Wait why?
Because it’s that thin line of what we should or shouldn’t be discussing.
Basically for the same reasons we don’t discuss why someone replaces.
You said you needed to see more from me, then a few posts later declared me "probably maf". Given the sheer amount of arguments over pretty much that exact behavior in this long a** thread, it didn't seem conducive to my mental health to jump on you over it.
Plus as far as I remember you're either still reading through the mess, or just read through it, so I assumed that sooner or later you'd either make a case I could actually respond to, or I'd have to call you out on a lack of it anyway.
I like this reply from triss. Why are they mafia rhand?
Catching up, feel free to hit me with questions while I do
Isn't MtGS like MS with two-week nominal phases? I was under the impression 11 was short by site standards, but perhaps I was misinformed?
I don't think scum claims 3p in a game with a vig
(specifically because it's impossible for them to have somehow known there is no vig, as there is almost certainly one in Jackrito)
This has to be some kind of sick joke
I have admittedly not read a single Fulcrum post but I'm curious as to where this is and more importantly why you have drawn these specific conclusions
>**** 15 pages
>it's better than 55 pages
Sloth I think you ignored a question I asked you a little while ago. What was this post about?
Not sure how I feel about you kinda just hopping onto my point wholesale (this is like the third time you've been like "yeah, exactly what orange said" about this)
I know in this case it's a pretty NAI thing to be agreeing with but like that just feels kinda pocket-y?
Why do people keep saying toDay and toMorrow with capital letters?
It's in post 2726
That's you saying look at different wagons, I'm asking why.
You'd assume I'd propose some sort of alternative if my concern was stacking too heavily on one wagon
Self-analyzing the wagon on yourself that faded into t/t wagons is pretty damn ballsy if scum
Even if we assume WMU is specifically trying to do VCA first to plant the seeds in people's minds that what they say is how things are (which this really doesn't sound like, considering it draws, like, no conclusions at all) that's still pretty bold
Why not have a partner do that
same, had I noticed 2727 woulda been less snarky, mb
Usually ToDay is in reference to the Phase (so like Youll catch up through this Day 2 Phase rather than the literal today 7/8/20). So...assuming toMorrow means next Day phase. Could be wrong
I mean...you're right. I'm not going to completely ignore common sense and good play jus because I didn't say it first.
This is sarcasm, right?
How am I wrong here? Given kpaca's near-complete refusal to put reads/progression into the thread, it seems p likely he's trying to cover a weakness in portraying natural progression, and this is a fault in exactly that
Can you go over this because "specifically SK/possibly Mafia otherwise" is an incredibly rare read for anyone to actually have
why do we care about Axel's claim so much
With any luck he'll get vigged - aorn he seems to be prodding enough where I'm not super inclined to start going after him before at least one scum flip, even if I can't really be asked to spend any energy reading wallposts from a 3p slot
Did you get Riddle-ified or something? Because I remember you talking a lot about Axel's reads D1 but I don't remember you talking about his role whatsoever
Okay while that is odd wouldn't you normally treat how you read a partner with more caution?
@Axel do you know if you could become Tom Riddle though? Seems relevant
also unlikely imo given wisp's flip but hey more power to you if you can't be converted ig
I don't know what exactly you're referring to here but I will confirm that "Role Stuff" does indeed exist.
oh ***** dead's here
easy read
at least this time he's coming in after me