May I see a quote of this happening, or post numbers. Granted I just got here essentially and no one HAS to do this, but I would appreciate it if time was taken to do so.
Pressure isn't a tactic that works on me very often
Self-meta. No frame of reference.
and I most certainly wouldn't claim VT if I was scum in this situation.
Ditto
Combine that with the fact it is literally impossible for me to miss what shadow said.
No it's not.
Also if I am scum wouldn't my partners remind me of such a thing?
Well, I guess that would depend. Apparently not everyone in the game remembered what Shadow said. And who knows what might have been said in chat. It's not super compelling
Axel becoming active right when ZDS really gets pressure pings angel target to me but that's more a pot shot than anything else.
You think I decided to go in on you to try and save ZDS? I would say (1) wouldn't actually change anything, unless you think I'm just fabricating a read, and (2) very lucky for me then that you made that claim after what Shadow said.
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[quote from="Jackrito »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/817898-voldemorts-throne-room-mafia-day-1?comment=1758"]It's also impossible for me to miss what shadow said because I subbed into his slot and I can see his discord posts. If shadow was scum who gives fake claims to the slots he subs out of it'd be impossible for me to miss that. When the reality is that didn't happen because I am town.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Yeaaaahh.... I'mma agree with Konan here, trusting the apparent Neutral who has no reason to want to work with anyone but their supposed target, and who hates their role but didn't just straight up ask to replace out of the game, is weird and feels like town has the wrong end of the stick.
The irony here is that I am the person who you probably can trust the most at this moment, because you know I have no ulterior motive.
Also, what's with the replace out remark? Complaining about one's Mafia role is a time honored tradition. Also, maybe you missed it, but I was doing a thing with that complaint post.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I may very well have? It did seem very odd, I'd expect that kind of thing to be said elsewhere, and I seem to recall you asking the mods about posting either that, or something else a while after. It doesn't seem quite a genuine complaint?
That's a broken quote. I was just noting the thing about the ability to see Shadow's discord posts, which Fulcrum already pointed out.
I mean, I assume Konan is going to say what she meant was that IF she was scum, then she would have had the ability to see Shadow's discord posts and therefore, could not possibly have made such a mistake with the VT claim - and this is assuming that Shadow would have said something about his claiming intentions in said discord prior to his departure, and assuming Konan would have agreed with them. Which, who knows. I could very easily see Shadow leaving the game without having a fully formed false-claim prepared. And even if he did, maybe Konan didn't like it.
Jack also already pointed out that Konan announced that she skipped the first 5 pages of the game when she started. If that was true, then she just missed the post completely. So, even if Shadow had said something about his claiming intentions, Konan might not have realized that Shadow had also made that game post, which torpedoed a VT claim.
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It's also a minor point of interest to me that, in claiming "villager/VT" Konan did not actually claim her role. Like, who is she? What's her name? Why is she here (flavorfully)? It's just odd to me, because if I'm claiming, that's just something I always say. That's the default.
Got another point here, but I'm keeping it to myself for the moment.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
It's also a minor point of interest to me that, in claiming "villager/VT" Konan did not actually claim her role. Like, who is she? What's her name? Why is she here (flavorfully)? It's just odd to me, because if I'm claiming, that's just something I always say. That's the default.
Got another point here, but I'm keeping it to myself for the moment.
I want to hear that also, it may not be helpful since most games are made to not be flavor gamed, but still nice to have all the info on the table.
Pressure isn't a tactic that works on me very often and I most certainly wouldn't claim VT if I was scum in this situation. Combine that with the fact it is literally impossible for me to miss what shadow said. Also if I am scum wouldn't my partners remind me of such a thing?
This reminds me of that scene in The Office where Ryan rattles off every reason under the sun he can't go to lunch with Michael as an excuse to get out of it.
That said...the last part of this assumes that a scum player runs literally every single post and thought they have past their scum team before posting. I mean I'm sure some do that but its very easy to make a claim or post in game and try and walk it back after not realizing you gave too much away. A slip like this is more believable cause it's something easy to miss esp. when stepping into a role and skipping the first few pages (as oppose to literally announcing scum coaching in the first post of the game).
2. Ampharos - actively hunting. Good tone
3. fulcrum - different tone
4. Slothful - tone and approach
5. Killjoy - reading the game
7. Jackrito- asking questions and hunting.
8. Rodemy - feels like... Rod
11. Fuwa - hasn’t done enough to form and opinion on
12. PoisonChan - hasn’t done enough to form and opinion on
13. xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx - hasn’t done enough to form and opinion on
14. TubbaFett - hasn’t done enough to form and opinion on
15. tomsloger - Tom being Tom
16. Lastwhisper - attitude
19. kpaca - not reading the game
17. gooLagoon - Wasn’t sure how i felt about coming out and claiming. Very WIFOMy which isn’t a tunnel I like to go down. Like I said I’m not a fan of the claim though when he acknowledges he has an antitownish role….but conflates role with Alignment in other posts. In anytime but especially a bastard one you need to keep these and two sep things in your brain.
18. Axelrod - I did not like the claim….seemed to be forced nonchalance. Toms gif set that I translated to “this was a calculate move” hits it on the head. Also don’t like that he changed the claim from one thing to another by saying no role reveal orig. and then later its no role OR alignment.
tom so mysterious
How could one possibly figure out i think terraines reads are surface level splashing except when she setup games
(In a bastard game)
Fair assessment, and I picked up that’s what you meant. But why is it scummy to you?
What does it mean in regards to Goo and Axel for Ter? How does Axel’s claim affect that?
I remember asking you something similar to this re: Axel/Ter/Me, which you never addressed either.
2. Ampharos - actively hunting. Good tone
3. fulcrum - different tone
4. Slothful - tone and approach
5. Killjoy - reading the game
7. Jackrito- asking questions and hunting.
8. Rodemy - feels like... Rod
11. Fuwa - hasn’t done enough to form and opinion on
12. PoisonChan - hasn’t done enough to form and opinion on
13. xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx - hasn’t done enough to form and opinion on
14. TubbaFett - hasn’t done enough to form and opinion on
15. tomsloger - Tom being Tom
16. Lastwhisper - attitude
19. kpaca - not reading the game
17. gooLagoon - Wasn’t sure how i felt about coming out and claiming. Very WIFOMy which isn’t a tunnel I like to go down. Like I said I’m not a fan of the claim though when he acknowledges he has an antitownish role….but conflates role with Alignment in other posts. In anytime but especially a bastard one you need to keep these and two sep things in your brain.
18. Axelrod - I did not like the claim….seemed to be forced nonchalance. Toms gif set that I translated to “this was a calculate move” hits it on the head. Also don’t like that he changed the claim from one thing to another by saying no role reveal orig. and then later its no role OR alignment.
tom so mysterious
How could one possibly figure out i think terraines reads are surface level splashing except when she setup games
(In a bastard game)
I'd like more votes on Axel so he can full-claim. If he claims neutral like some people think he is, I'd like to know why he's not explicit about it, since he doesn't hesitate to complain about his chances of winning.
Him (and Rodemy) aside I don't have many negative views. I think the active posters are fine and haven't done anything I wouldn't expect or accept from town. This will change with flips and wagon analysis, but we aren't there yet. Yes, I know the irony of saying this while I'm voting claimed flipless.
If I don't double-down on Axel, my next target will probably be one of Poison (hardcore explicit lurking), Zionite (long walls to say nothing much), or maybe tom (low content even taking the fake PR into account).
Rod, why aren't you accusing me of the same crimes you are accusing Sloth? What makes us different? (Not that I'm the first asking.)
Whispy, remind us why you voted Axel, and what you want to get out of it?
vote zds
certainly no way to determine my opinion on zds here
What would "hiding behind a curtain sharpening his knives" even mean metaphorically?
I want you to tell me any possible alternative interpretation of those gifs that aren’t what tom said they are. One per is fine, but more are preferable.
Prove that you actually think these are “wildly open to interpretation.”
If you can’t do that:
-If you’re scum, we look back on this later along with other behavior we noticed and roast you.
-If you’re town, hopefully that will knock you the **** off this ridiculous tunnel.
Lagoon, I'm sorry I didn't have your progression toward voting me in a corner of my mind like I did with tom. Maybe if you make more of an effort to be scummy, I'll pay you more attention.
You can’t analyze your wagon and then skip a player in that wagon’s reasoning for being in that wagon. That’s just not a thing.
Regarding the rest of your questions/comments in 1121: not answering, ok, I'm not implying you didn't have clear opinions before, (see above), no comment, see above.
So a lot of nothing, kay.
Regarding the bolded: Exactly what were you implying with “I have no idea where he stands on any of the players he made his posts about” then? Be specific.
@all: I’m not sure if this is a thing so I need other’s opinions: Isn’t Dork’s volume in his towngames a lot higher?
The last game were he was posting this sparsely and with (comparatively) short was Prison.
Right, so you believed that you could probably find mafia in the people opportunistucally pushing on tom. And at the same time, you decided you needed to stop more people from pushing on tom for some reason, without having even caught up enough to know if the pressure had changed Tom's behavior. You're saying you deliberately sabotaged your idea for scumhunting (by giving advice to, Tubba, the person you thought most likely to be the scum pushing tom) and you did it because you wanted to be on the right side of this when we eventually figured out tom isn't mafia. Did I get that right?
If there's any doubt here, friends, please look and see how Konan just assumed tom was town in all of this.
Vote: Konan
ftr, I don’t see the tmi’ng town-tom. The rest of your case...I’ll talk more about later.
How do you feel Konan’s handled the pressure on her as a result of this push?
I suggest you read my posts again and reevaluate your stance given you clearly have not read my catch up or even the basic things that proves your entire theory incorrect. Although I get the feeling you're not even trying to engage me with good faith so that could be a problem in and of itself.
What particular advantage do you feel there is in her engaging with you directly? Will that help her read you correctly in your opinion?
In the past, I’ve found that staying out of direct interaction with the one you’re reading and instead observing them and discussing them with others results in more objective results.
Anyway back to the game: Nothing I say implies Tom is town. In fact I was trying to say Tom is nullest of nulls because of his gif posting. Saying that scum can jump on tom because it is an excuse does not imply that tom is town and I don't understand how you would get to that answer yourself. The whole base of the idea that I am also scum because I wanted to get the jump on a tom townread is...interesting? Sure in theory it is a good idea to get a jump on a popular or influential player but tom isn't that. There's no way I can believe that someone thought the idea that went through my head as scum is trying to get a headstart on townreading tom of all players here.
Have you had a lot of experience playing with Tom? What are you basis this statements? “Of all players” meaning what?
WON'T VOTE:
'Cause townread: font, Rodemy
'Cause townlean: kpaca, Lagoon (very shaky), Jackrito (it's weird I don't have a strong townread on him yet)
'Cause Claimed 3rder/No Flip: Axelrod, Lastwhisper (would probably be strongly considering voting here otherwise)
'Cause Wanna see more of: Ampharos, Konan, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry 'Cause: tomsloger, TerRaine, Zionite
NO STRONG OPINION ON VOTING/WILL IF NEEDED:
Fuwa, xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx, Poison Chan
WILLING TO VOTE:
Killjoy, Tubba Fett, ZeDorkSlipeur
Sounds about right.
Man I really hope I'm not wrong on Rodemy. It'd be a huge bummer if the first time I actually convince a player to back off via long post it turns out that they were scum and knew all along.
sloth, what keeps zionite out of your middle tier?
Prior experience. I pretty much scumread and tunneled him in a prior game for acting exactly as he is now and this time I want to take my time instead.
Anyway, I'm off for the rest of the day.
It's my dog's adoptaversary and I'm baking him a cake and taking him out!
My reads haven't changed too much from what I've said 596 and 605.
Kind of like that Axel admits to being unmotivated but ~NAI I think?
Ter and others have a point in that this might just be town Rod after all. I guess I'll see if anything else catches my attention once he calms down - in that way, me leaving is probably a good thing to get him there.
Alright, see you all later!
Maybe it's because it seems like it was such an overreaction when Sloth was already coming around on Rod being town like 200 posts before. And that post from Rod was part of a trend of Rod aggressively jumping after every remotely scummy thing, not a new mind-blowing thing.
“which, as Sloth pointed out as his reason to scumread him, Rod had not been doing previously in this game” should be the correct ending to that sentence, fixed it for you. Seriously, I wrote a long post detailing this very thing.
What you’re seeing in #883 is my legitimate, emotional reaction to Rod accusing Dork of being scum over his guess of Axel as desperado, which is the sort of nonsense I expect from t!Rod that I wasn’t seeing prior to #658, which is why I said I needed to step back and remove myself and see what he did.
In my experience, Rod as town does this ‘thing’ where he seems to be able to pick out scum with reasonable success (Prison, Matter), but his reasons for it are ridiculous and shouldn’t actually be seen as reasons by anyone. I can’t tell if somehow there’s a method to his madness, or if it’s just blind luck.
There are legitimate reasons that Dork can be scum...but they are not remotely connected to the desperado guess lol.
I'm also a little spooked by Sloth having such a strong townread on me. There's an argument to be made that I was easier to read that normal at the beginning of the game due to the health issues, and sloth would have been hyper aware of that because he was also watching my thought process in a hydra ish game at the same time. But I've also, uh, literally just fooled him and I kind of expected him to be more concerned about it going into this game.
Arguably, he would know that I would be expecting him to be more cautious about townreading me, and would try to play into that as scum, so him not doing is a sign that he is in fact town, but that's weak and I probably shouldn't have even taken the time to type it out.
Then why did you? Or why not just delete it prior to posting?
#255
In regards to this post, I’d probably say the same thing I said in regards to Terry. I’d expect town!Sloth to stand his ground on his own opinion, rather than back off because others think its something that Terry could do as town
Page 1 of his iso is combinations of playfulness, and poking at Terry, also he votes Jack because ???
Calls out Rodemy as being possible scum? But he hasn’t said anything really about Jack, so IDK why his vote ended up there?
So Sloth can be a wolf I guess? His content on a macro level isn’t townie enough to volume clear him yet thats for sure
Sloth re-evaluating is probably something I like, but it still bothers me on a fundamental level, cause this isnt how I expect town!Sloth to treat his reads
So what happened between these two spoiled posts above to result in these two statements for the game?
I am assuming I am answering ur first question here, maybe fulcrum as well? and Axel? but he is 3p
I can't really say what exactly made me bring it up then
Noted.
I was more interested in the bolded and spoiled section above.
Last, why haven’t you answered this? Or a lot of things directed at you? You’re playing a very uninvested game.
meta is a thing, and probably weak to a lot of people, but meh
still don't understand why Kpaca is so high for you people
I do not want to have to repeat an old game to get pressure on that slot
I am keeping my vote here, regardless of w/e backlash he or anyone else brings my way
No, in fact I'm curious how you strung up that narrative to begin with. As I said before I already saw that tom had stopped his gif posting before making such a post. So, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you missed that part. What advice exactly was I giving Tubba? If tom was continuing with his fake posting resection than yes I would've waited, but he stopped. What I was saying in the post was showing people how scum can easily fake a read on tom (like Tubba) there was no advice to be given.
So no, you didn't get that correct. I also did not assume tom was town that is a baseless assumption that you just tacted on to fit your narrative.
Why am I scum faking a read on Tom? What was my (fake) read on Tom?
If I’m scum with a fake read on Tom, are you not claiming Tom is town?
Saying that scum can jump on tom because it is an excuse does not imply that tom is town and I don't understand how you would get to that answer yourself.
You don't understand hwo someone could think that if scum are happy to jump on someone, that someone is more likely to be town than not?
@Sloth
I WISH I could be uninvested, trust me
Kpaca has toned it down, but only recently
Everything about his early game was forced, and it even still kinda is
He said if he was a wolf he wouldnt be posting as much, and that is a straight-up lie
both those sloths can be wolves with Konan if he is a wolf, just based off those posts
Lagoon has been playing follow the leader all game
Baa Baa Black Sheep
Font, you’re a married woman. Stop thinking about me in bed.
I laughed, thanks
Wake's first language isn't English so her grammar and sentence structure can be a bit hard to understand
In my experience, Rod as town does this ‘thing’ where he seems to be able to pick out scum with reasonable success (Prison, Matter), but his reasons for it are ridiculous and shouldn’t actually be seen as reasons by anyone. I can’t tell if somehow there’s a method to his madness, or if it’s just blind luck.
and I am not excepting Rod as town till he stops being lazy
@Sloth
I WISH I could be uninvested, trust me
Kpaca has toned it down, but only recently
Everything about his early game was forced, and it even still kinda is
He said if he was a wolf he wouldnt be posting as much, and that is a straight-up lie
both of them can be wolves with Konan if he is a wolf, just based off those posts
Lagoon has been playing follow the leader all game
Baa Baa Black Sheep
Font, you’re a married woman. Stop thinking about me in bed.
I laughed, thanks
Wake's first language isn't English so her grammar and sentence structure can be a bit hard to understand
In my experience, Rod as town does this ‘thing’ where he seems to be able to pick out scum with reasonable success (Prison, Matter), but his reasons for it are ridiculous and shouldn’t actually be seen as reasons by anyone. I can’t tell if somehow there’s a method to his madness, or if it’s just blind luck.
and I am not excepting Rod as town till he stops being lazy
@Sloth
I WISH I could be uninvested, trust me
Kpaca has toned it down, but only recently
Everything about his early game was forced, and it even still kinda is
He said if he was a wolf he wouldnt be posting as much, and that is a straight-up lie
both those sloths can be wolves with Konan if he is a wolf, just based off those posts
Lagoon has been playing follow the leader all game
Baa Baa Black Sheep
Font, you’re a married woman. Stop thinking about me in bed.
I laughed, thanks
Wake's first language isn't English so her grammar and sentence structure can be a bit hard to understand
In my experience, Rod as town does this ‘thing’ where he seems to be able to pick out scum with reasonable success (Prison, Matter), but his reasons for it are ridiculous and shouldn’t actually be seen as reasons by anyone. I can’t tell if somehow there’s a method to his madness, or if it’s just blind luck.
and I am not excepting Rod as town till he stops being lazy
nothing I ever do is forced; that’s the brilliance of it.
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@Sloth
I WISH I could be uninvested, trust me
Kpaca has toned it down, but only recently
Everything about his early game was forced, and it even still kinda is
He said if he was a wolf he wouldnt be posting as much, and that is a straight-up lie
both of them can be wolves with Konan if he is a wolf, just based off those posts
Lagoon has been playing follow the leader all game
Baa Baa Black Sheep
Font, you’re a married woman. Stop thinking about me in bed.
I laughed, thanks
Wake's first language isn't English so her grammar and sentence structure can be a bit hard to understand
In my experience, Rod as town does this ‘thing’ where he seems to be able to pick out scum with reasonable success (Prison, Matter), but his reasons for it are ridiculous and shouldn’t actually be seen as reasons by anyone. I can’t tell if somehow there’s a method to his madness, or if it’s just blind luck.
and I am not excepting Rod as town till he stops being lazy
EDWOP some minor changes
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Re: Rod & kpaca. Will keep an eye.
Re: Wake. Gotcha, even more reason to ask for clarification.
Re: tubba and lagoon. Honestly, regardless of konan's alignment, probably scum in there.
My only takeaway about konan is her response. Attacking axel for being a neutral to ignore the points completely, rolling with fontis shadow meta, etc
Its very "cornered"
@triss how much of the konan pushes have you seen? Does it matter who they came from?
@kpaca it was still a stupid question
Tell me about kj
@sloth i actually think this is the best ive been able to explain my method of reading you. Did you miss the other posts?
My only takeaway about konan is her response. Attacking axel for being a neutral to ignore the points completely, rolling with fontis shadow meta, etc
Its very "cornered"
@triss how much of the konan pushes have you seen? Does it matter who they came from?
@kpaca it was still a stupid question
Tell me about kj
@sloth i actually think this is the best ive been able to explain my method of reading you. Did you miss the other posts?
Part A: Nah I don’t think so.
Part B: Let’s talk about KJ tomorrow.
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@triss how much of the konan pushes have you seen? Does it matter who they came from?
Not a ton? At least I didn't mentally mark it enough to remember who really started pushing it without going back and looking. It did feel like a sudden pivot from a good number of players though.
As I stated previously, tom is someeone I expected scum to hop on and try to punish/vote for a long time considering his gimmick. I found it odd how the only person I wasn't townreading who was doing such a thing was Tubba. Along with the fact it was just so hard to wagon tom at all, still now when he's posting barely any worthwhile content. I came to the answer it's most likely he's so hard to wagon because scum simply aren't doing it when I bet they'd easily do so if tom was town.
Oh you scum.
vote konan
@last: Yeah i am being kinda lazy. i'm tired, i work a lot, but i refuse to replace out out of respect for Osie. Quit equating lazy to scum. It's not that easy.
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It’s not the best choice, but it’s a choice nonetheless
@Fulcrum, @WMU
Fulcrum is my top town read because they are doing the things I want a town leader to do. They are building a town core, pushing reads and reassessing as info comes in. I’ve only played one other game with fulcrum to my knowledge but the tonal difference between this game and the last is rather apparent. That game Fulcrum felt like they were hunting for a place to strike, more serious and aggressive. This game seems to be a fulcrum trying to figure things out, with a friendlier, less serious vibe.
WMU, the read is based on post count to an extent, but also on the content of those posts. By constantly “playing catch-up” it allows you to post without saying anything. With the amount of activity in this game, you should have some opinions, even weak ones.
Sloth is placed with a question mark, based largely on meta tone from our last games. I expect the things I’m seeing from Fulcrum to be what I see from Sloth. The more I think about the Sloth/Rod situation the worse it makes him look to me. The initial push was ok as a way to try and figure Rod out, but I think he dropped it too easily and not because he was convinced but because it was becoming a more difficult path to push down.
Caveat to all of the above, I’ve been offline for a little over 24 hours, and am now catching up (winks at xxXWakeMeUpXxx).
We don't need to drag it out until the last second of the last day, you know.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
]I believe this is the first time you mention Konan (and shadow too, I think?)
Why Konan?
Interactions with other players. I agree with Fonti the whole mini lesson to Tubba was weird in light of the other things she was saying. She says one thing but does another. She says she wants to look at the players voting Tom and makes note she town reads a lot of them and scum reads Tubba...ergo her next move SHOULD be to press her scum read voting Tom. She doesn't. She gives a mini lesson on why scum could easily hide amongst Tom voting to her scum read and then....doesn't look into him any further beyond a token question to goo about if Tubba is ML Bait typically.
Beyond that any questions about her play and the variance between what she says she wants to do vs. what she DOES is met with dismissiveness and claims of "nitpicking" and reading into things too much.
Since then it's evolved from just that to outright ATE antics like "oh is that hammer? Good I won't have to put up with this any more" like posts when she's a good 2 votes away from being in L1 let along hammered.
Tbh did not know deadline was today either because I always lose track of time in these long day phases as shown in prison. A couple of these votes on Konan are just bad if she flips town and just plain bussing if scum also.
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Ditto
No it's not.
Well, I guess that would depend. Apparently not everyone in the game remembered what Shadow said. And who knows what might have been said in chat. It's not super compelling
You think I decided to go in on you to try and save ZDS? I would say (1) wouldn't actually change anything, unless you think I'm just fabricating a read, and (2) very lucky for me then that you made that claim after what Shadow said.
Also, what's with the replace out remark? Complaining about one's Mafia role is a time honored tradition. Also, maybe you missed it, but I was doing a thing with that complaint post.
I mean, I assume Konan is going to say what she meant was that IF she was scum, then she would have had the ability to see Shadow's discord posts and therefore, could not possibly have made such a mistake with the VT claim - and this is assuming that Shadow would have said something about his claiming intentions in said discord prior to his departure, and assuming Konan would have agreed with them. Which, who knows. I could very easily see Shadow leaving the game without having a fully formed false-claim prepared. And even if he did, maybe Konan didn't like it.
Jack also already pointed out that Konan announced that she skipped the first 5 pages of the game when she started. If that was true, then she just missed the post completely. So, even if Shadow had said something about his claiming intentions, Konan might not have realized that Shadow had also made that game post, which torpedoed a VT claim.
Got another point here, but I'm keeping it to myself for the moment.
I want to hear that also, it may not be helpful since most games are made to not be flavor gamed, but still nice to have all the info on the table.
This reminds me of that scene in The Office where Ryan rattles off every reason under the sun he can't go to lunch with Michael as an excuse to get out of it.
That said...the last part of this assumes that a scum player runs literally every single post and thought they have past their scum team before posting. I mean I'm sure some do that but its very easy to make a claim or post in game and try and walk it back after not realizing you gave too much away. A slip like this is more believable cause it's something easy to miss esp. when stepping into a role and skipping the first few pages (as oppose to literally announcing scum coaching in the first post of the game).
Pages 23 – 27:
Lol what? Why? I’m not seeing why that’s the conclusion you’re drawing. Fair assessment, and I picked up that’s what you meant. But why is it scummy to you?
What does it mean in regards to Goo and Axel for Ter? How does Axel’s claim affect that?
I remember asking you something similar to this re: Axel/Ter/Me, which you never addressed either. Oddly defensive of you, buddy. Hm. Better. Look back on this later.
...he claimed because Goo guessed his role, not because of pressure, did you seriously miss that?
Okay, time for a test.
Kpaca, look at these two posts:
Prove that you actually think these are “wildly open to interpretation.”
If you can’t do that:
-If you’re scum, we look back on this later along with other behavior we noticed and roast you.
-If you’re town, hopefully that will knock you the **** off this ridiculous tunnel. Name a single one of those reasons that isn’t “he’s not answering my one question.”
You can’t analyze your wagon and then skip a player in that wagon’s reasoning for being in that wagon. That’s just not a thing. So a lot of nothing, kay.
Regarding the bolded: Exactly what were you implying with “I have no idea where he stands on any of the players he made his posts about” then? Be specific.
@all: I’m not sure if this is a thing so I need other’s opinions: Isn’t Dork’s volume in his towngames a lot higher?
The last game were he was posting this sparsely and with (comparatively) short was Prison.
ftr, I don’t see the tmi’ng town-tom. The rest of your case...I’ll talk more about later.
How do you feel Konan’s handled the pressure on her as a result of this push?
What particular advantage do you feel there is in her engaging with you directly? Will that help her read you correctly in your opinion?
In the past, I’ve found that staying out of direct interaction with the one you’re reading and instead observing them and discussing them with others results in more objective results. Have you had a lot of experience playing with Tom? What are you basis this statements? “Of all players” meaning what? Hm. Check back on this later.
I believe this is the first time you mention Konan (and shadow too, I think?)
Why Konan?
Hm. I can agree with this as a reasonable assessment of my passivity so far. Prior experience. I pretty much scumread and tunneled him in a prior game for acting exactly as he is now and this time I want to take my time instead.
Font, you’re a married woman. Stop thinking about me in bed. “which, as Sloth pointed out as his reason to scumread him, Rod had not been doing previously in this game” should be the correct ending to that sentence, fixed it for you. Seriously, I wrote a long post detailing this very thing.
What you’re seeing in #883 is my legitimate, emotional reaction to Rod accusing Dork of being scum over his guess of Axel as desperado, which is the sort of nonsense I expect from t!Rod that I wasn’t seeing prior to #658, which is why I said I needed to step back and remove myself and see what he did.
In my experience, Rod as town does this ‘thing’ where he seems to be able to pick out scum with reasonable success (Prison, Matter), but his reasons for it are ridiculous and shouldn’t actually be seen as reasons by anyone. I can’t tell if somehow there’s a method to his madness, or if it’s just blind luck.
There are legitimate reasons that Dork can be scum...but they are not remotely connected to the desperado guess lol. Why? Then why did you? Or why not just delete it prior to posting?
VAIMES?!
I need you to clarify what you’re saying here exactly.
Last, why haven’t you answered this? Or a lot of things directed at you? You’re playing a very uninvested game. Can you go over again why Kpaca for you?
I WISH I could be uninvested, trust me
Kpaca has toned it down, but only recently
Everything about his early game was forced, and it even still kinda is
He said if he was a wolf he wouldnt be posting as much, and that is a straight-up lie
both those sloths can be wolves with Konan if he is a wolf, just based off those posts
Lagoon has been playing follow the leader all game
Baa Baa Black Sheep
Font, you’re a married woman. Stop thinking about me in bed.
I laughed, thanks
Wake's first language isn't English so her grammar and sentence structure can be a bit hard to understand
In my experience, Rod as town does this ‘thing’ where he seems to be able to pick out scum with reasonable success (Prison, Matter), but his reasons for it are ridiculous and shouldn’t actually be seen as reasons by anyone. I can’t tell if somehow there’s a method to his madness, or if it’s just blind luck.
and I am not excepting Rod as town till he stops being lazy
EDWOP some minor changes
nothing I ever do is forced; that’s the brilliance of it.
But nothing else lol.
Re: Rod & kpaca. Will keep an eye.
Re: Wake. Gotcha, even more reason to ask for clarification.
Re: tubba and lagoon. Honestly, regardless of konan's alignment, probably scum in there.
Sleeeeep.
Keep voting
Its very "cornered"
@triss how much of the konan pushes have you seen? Does it matter who they came from?
@kpaca it was still a stupid question
Tell me about kj
@sloth i actually think this is the best ive been able to explain my method of reading you. Did you miss the other posts?
Part A: Nah I don’t think so.
Part B: Let’s talk about KJ tomorrow.
Not a ton? At least I didn't mentally mark it enough to remember who really started pushing it without going back and looking. It did feel like a sudden pivot from a good number of players though.
I’ll get some more reading in today.
Oh you scum.
vote konan
@last: Yeah i am being kinda lazy. i'm tired, i work a lot, but i refuse to replace out out of respect for Osie. Quit equating lazy to scum. It's not that easy.
If not
Unvote
Fulcrum is my top town read because they are doing the things I want a town leader to do. They are building a town core, pushing reads and reassessing as info comes in. I’ve only played one other game with fulcrum to my knowledge but the tonal difference between this game and the last is rather apparent. That game Fulcrum felt like they were hunting for a place to strike, more serious and aggressive. This game seems to be a fulcrum trying to figure things out, with a friendlier, less serious vibe.
WMU, the read is based on post count to an extent, but also on the content of those posts. By constantly “playing catch-up” it allows you to post without saying anything. With the amount of activity in this game, you should have some opinions, even weak ones.
Sloth is placed with a question mark, based largely on meta tone from our last games. I expect the things I’m seeing from Fulcrum to be what I see from Sloth. The more I think about the Sloth/Rod situation the worse it makes him look to me. The initial push was ok as a way to try and figure Rod out, but I think he dropped it too easily and not because he was convinced but because it was becoming a more difficult path to push down.
Caveat to all of the above, I’ve been offline for a little over 24 hours, and am now catching up (winks at xxXWakeMeUpXxx).
I feel like you know I didn’t hammer.
/s
quit your sass last. Don’t make me avacado toast you. *readys wand*
hey last, what are you expecting from me right now?
Interactions with other players. I agree with Fonti the whole mini lesson to Tubba was weird in light of the other things she was saying. She says one thing but does another. She says she wants to look at the players voting Tom and makes note she town reads a lot of them and scum reads Tubba...ergo her next move SHOULD be to press her scum read voting Tom. She doesn't. She gives a mini lesson on why scum could easily hide amongst Tom voting to her scum read and then....doesn't look into him any further beyond a token question to goo about if Tubba is ML Bait typically.
Beyond that any questions about her play and the variance between what she says she wants to do vs. what she DOES is met with dismissiveness and claims of "nitpicking" and reading into things too much.
Since then it's evolved from just that to outright ATE antics like "oh is that hammer? Good I won't have to put up with this any more" like posts when she's a good 2 votes away from being in L1 let along hammered.
ZDS (4) - JoeTerry, Konan, Lagoon, fuwa
tom (1) - Tubba
Tubba (1) - Amy
Rodemy (1) - Triss
WMU (1) - KJ
Not voting: Rhand, Sloth, fonti, jack
I'm good with a hanmer whenever.
L-1 now
Vote Konan
Because I hate early hammers and a lot of things about today felt off. Your vote here makes zero sense off your stance yesterday also.