Let’s not argue about it anymore, it’s wine on the table. I agree with alpaca that pressure on Tom is relevant. He’s not helping town by being obtuse, and while I can understand the thoughts behind letting him do his thing for another day, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s not pro-town play. People were ready to lynch axle for not being pro-town, it’s somehow hat puzzling that those same people don’t have a similar take on Tom. Apples aren’t oranges but fruit is fruit. NegTown is NegTown. Axle resolved via pressure, I’m not against making Tom do the same.
Vote Tom
People who fake posting restrictions normally and in the meta is NAI. Sure, you can look at voting patterns but that isn't going to be a good case on the player. Voting Tom (when he was faking given I see he stopped) is a waste of time. I want to pay attention to the people who were voting Tom because it's something easy scum can just slip into and no one can really blame you for it. You get barely any info from the flip as well. Tom was going to stop because otherwise he was going to get vigged.
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Why are you bothering to talk about this? You're lecturing Tubba instead of doing something you claim is useful (looking at the people who were voting tom).
Because I was still catching up and since I was so close to done I figured it was fine to do it with quotes.About the tom thing if you look at the 5 people who were voting him the one person I am not townreading very well on the wagon is Tubba. So yes, I was looking at the people who were voting tom already. This feels needlessly nitpicky...again.
You did not answer the question.
Why did you address Tubba there? What was your purpose?
I saw a post I felt like commenting on. Nothing more, nothing less.
People who fake posting restrictions normally and in the meta is NAI. Sure, you can look at voting patterns but that isn't going to be a good case on the player. Voting Tom (when he was faking given I see he stopped) is a waste of time. I want to pay attention to the people who were voting Tom because it's something easy scum can just slip into and no one can really blame you for it. You get barely any info from the flip as well. Tom was going to stop because otherwise he was going to get vigged.
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Why are you bothering to talk about this? You're lecturing Tubba instead of doing something you claim is useful (looking at the people who were voting tom).
Because I was still catching up and since I was so close to done I figured it was fine to do it with quotes.About the tom thing if you look at the 5 people who were voting him the one person I am not townreading very well on the wagon is Tubba. So yes, I was looking at the people who were voting tom already. This feels needlessly nitpicky...again.
You did not answer the question.
Why did you address Tubba there? What was your purpose?
I saw a post I felt like commenting on. Nothing more, nothing less.
Why are you bothering to talk about this? You're lecturing Tubba instead of doing something you claim is useful (looking at the people who were voting tom).
Because I was still catching up and since I was so close to done I figured it was fine to do it with quotes.About the tom thing if you look at the 5 people who were voting him the one person I am not townreading very well on the wagon is Tubba. So yes, I was looking at the people who were voting tom already. This feels needlessly nitpicky...again.
You did not answer the question.
Why did you address Tubba there? What was your purpose?
I saw a post I felt like commenting on. Nothing more, nothing less.
I'm asking why that one.
Because Tubba is one of the people who was pushing tom as I said in the original post. I wanted to shut down any topic of voting tom at the moment until he does something. Along with the 2nd part of the post of trying to show people that scum can easily just sit on tom. (Although the interesting part of that is I am townreading a lot of the people who did vote Tom)
Right, so you believed that you could probably find mafia in the people opportunistucally pushing on tom. And at the same time, you decided you needed to stop more people from pushing on tom for some reason, without having even caught up enough to know if the pressure had changed Tom's behavior. You're saying you deliberately sabotaged your idea for scumhunting (by giving advice to, Tubba, the person you thought most likely to be the scum pushing tom) and you did it because you wanted to be on the right side of this when we eventually figured out tom isn't mafia. Did I get that right?
If there's any doubt here, friends, please look and see how Konan just assumed tom was town in all of this.
Vote: Konan
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Last, I'm not sold on ZDS's defense being towny, beyond the general chill vibe from it.
Right, so you believed that you could probably find mafia in the people opportunistucally pushing on tom. And at the same time, you decided you needed to stop more people from pushing on tom for some reason, without having even caught up enough to know if the pressure had changed Tom's behavior. You're saying you deliberately sabotaged your idea for scumhunting (by giving advice to, Tubba, the person you thought most likely to be the scum pushing tom) and you did it because you wanted to be on the right side of this when we eventually figured out tom isn't mafia. Did I get that right?
If there's any doubt here, friends, please look and see how Konan just assumed tom was town in all of this.
Vote: Konan
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Last, I'm not sold on ZDS's defense being towny, beyond the general chill vibe from it.
No, in fact I'm curious how you strung up that narrative to begin with. As I said before I already saw that tom had stopped his gif posting before making such a post. So, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you missed that part. What advice exactly was I giving Tubba? If tom was continuing with his fake posting resection than yes I would've waited, but he stopped. What I was saying in the post was showing people how scum can easily fake a read on tom (like Tubba) there was no advice to be given.
So no, you didn't get that correct. I also did not assume tom was town that is a baseless assumption that you just tacted on to fit your narrative.
I suggest you read my posts again and reevaluate your stance given you clearly have not read my catch up or even the basic things that proves your entire theory incorrect. Although I get the feeling you're not even trying to engage me with good faith so that could be a problem in and of itself.
[People who fake posting restrictions normally and in the meta is NAI. Sure, you can look at voting patterns but that isn't going to be a good case on the player. Voting Tom (when he was faking given I see he stopped) is a waste of time. I want to pay attention to the people who were voting Tom because it's something easy scum can just slip into and no one can really blame you for it. You get barely any info from the flip as well. Tom was going to stop because otherwise he was going to get vigged.
Because Tubba is one of the people who was pushing tom as I said in the original post. I wanted to shut down any topic of voting tom at the moment until he does something. Along with the 2nd part of the post of trying to show people that scum can easily just sit on tom. (Although the interesting part of that is I am townreading a lot of the people who did vote Tom)
No, in fact I'm curious how you strung up that narrative to begin with. As I said before I already saw that tom had stopped his gif posting before making such a post. So, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you missed that part. What advice exactly was I giving Tubba? If tom was continuing with his fake posting resection than yes I would've waited, but he stopped. What I was saying in the post was showing people how scum can easily fake a read on tom (like Tubba) there was no advice to be given.
So no, you didn't get that correct. I also did not assume tom was town that is a baseless assumption that you just tacted on to fit your narrative.
Konan, if you knew that tom had already stopped his gif posting (and, yes, I did forget that detail, but honestly, it really does not matter) then /why did you need to convince people to stop pushing on him?/
I do not think you have an actual answer to this question. I think you are just trying to obfuscate. And I think the real answer is that you know tom is town, and you wanted to get ahead of the rest of town realizing it. I am not interested in arguing this point by point with you, because I think the evidence is clear and you have already had multiple chances to try to explain. I think you are caught and arguing about it will simply be unpleasant. If anyone who is not Konan would like to discuss this with me or just isn't fully following the logic, please let me know.
[People who fake posting restrictions normally and in the meta is NAI. Sure, you can look at voting patterns but that isn't going to be a good case on the player. Voting Tom (when he was faking given I see he stopped) is a waste of time. I want to pay attention to the people who were voting Tom because it's something easy scum can just slip into and no one can really blame you for it. You get barely any info from the flip as well. Tom was going to stop because otherwise he was going to get vigged.
Because Tubba is one of the people who was pushing tom as I said in the original post. I wanted to shut down any topic of voting tom at the moment until he does something. Along with the 2nd part of the post of trying to show people that scum can easily just sit on tom. (Although the interesting part of that is I am townreading a lot of the people who did vote Tom)
No, in fact I'm curious how you strung up that narrative to begin with. As I said before I already saw that tom had stopped his gif posting before making such a post. So, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you missed that part. What advice exactly was I giving Tubba? If tom was continuing with his fake posting resection than yes I would've waited, but he stopped. What I was saying in the post was showing people how scum can easily fake a read on tom (like Tubba) there was no advice to be given.
So no, you didn't get that correct. I also did not assume tom was town that is a baseless assumption that you just tacted on to fit your narrative.
Konan, if you knew that tom had already stopped his gif posting (and, yes, I did forget that detail, but honestly, it really does not matter) then /why did you need to convince people to stop pushing on him?/
I do not think you have an actual answer to this question. I think you are just trying to obfuscate. And I think the real answer is that you know tom is town, and you wanted to get ahead of the rest of town realizing it. I am not interested in arguing this point by point with you, because I think the evidence is clear and you have already had multiple chances to try to explain. I think you are caught and arguing about it will simply be unpleasant. If anyone who is not Konan would like to discuss this with me or just isn't fully following the logic, please let me know.
Fulcrum out.
I did not want to see people commenting on if toms gif posting is towny or scummy. Along with how long he did it. As many others have pointed out and even without them I would say it is NAI and a waste of time so I wanted to shut down those arguments before they began. If people want to push tom for his normal posting by all means, but you cannot make a case for tom scum or town based on gifs alone.
Let us talk about the crux of your argument. The part that you have failed to support or show any claim to.That I know tom is town. Where did I hint or express tom is town? Please show me.
I don’t see why you’re trying to avoid me when we can discuss this relationally and normally. Because this helps us both get a read on each other and you trying to back off does not help the situation. I do not know who you play with that gives you the assumption that this will break out into an argument but that is not my goal.
Still busy, hope not for long time, i can't wait to play tbh
I saw above Z posting and i opened his Iso and i can say i like his catch up, vibe and tone.
Until i read the thread to see posts and interactions i think i should
Right, so you believed that you could probably find mafia in the people opportunistucally pushing on tom. And at the same time, you decided you needed to stop more people from pushing on tom for some reason, without having even caught up enough to know if the pressure had changed Tom's behavior. You're saying you deliberately sabotaged your idea for scumhunting (by giving advice to, Tubba, the person you thought most likely to be the scum pushing tom) and you did it because you wanted to be on the right side of this when we eventually figured out tom isn't mafia. Did I get that right?
If there's any doubt here, friends, please look and see how Konan just assumed tom was town in all of this.
Vote: Konan
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Last, I'm not sold on ZDS's defense being towny, beyond the general chill vibe from it.
Scrolling up a little, i wonder why do we have other oppinion based on the same thing? For your last sentence ofc.
kpaca what question are you even trying to get tom to answer
I want him to give his reason for faking a pr; state it using words.
And I want him to explain a few of his “reads”. As tubba has pointed out; he’s pretty much just giving himself the ability/flexibility to not actually have stances with any substance behind them. Everything he is doing right now is contrived. You know who do contrived things? Hint: not townies.
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Right, so you believed that you could probably find mafia in the people opportunistucally pushing on tom. And at the same time, you decided you needed to stop more people from pushing on tom for some reason, without having even caught up enough to know if the pressure had changed Tom's behavior. You're saying you deliberately sabotaged your idea for scumhunting (by giving advice to, Tubba, the person you thought most likely to be the scum pushing tom) and you did it because you wanted to be on the right side of this when we eventually figured out tom isn't mafia. Did I get that right?
If there's any doubt here, friends, please look and see how Konan just assumed tom was town in all of this.
Vote: Konan
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Last, I'm not sold on ZDS's defense being towny, beyond the general chill vibe from it.
No, in fact I'm curious how you strung up that narrative to begin with. As I said before I already saw that tom had stopped his gif posting before making such a post. So, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you missed that part. What advice exactly was I giving Tubba? If tom was continuing with his fake posting resection than yes I would've waited, but he stopped. What I was saying in the post was showing people how scum can easily fake a read on tom (like Tubba) there was no advice to be given.
So no, you didn't get that correct. I also did not assume tom was town that is a baseless assumption that you just tacted on to fit your narrative.
Why am I scum faking a read on Tom? What was my (fake) read on Tom?
If I’m scum with a fake read on Tom, are you not claiming Tom is town?
ya I am not interesting in lynching that, can't even say I am particularly fond of my vote on Sloth since he is top posting, even though I believe his pushes are wrong
don't really no where we can consolidate atm
anyways I am going to sleep
that, being ZDS obviously
What about that post was good to you. It did nothing to change my view of ZDS at all.
I think you and I have a very different definition of set up gaming Tom. Both those issue had to do with player actions that did not line up with what they were saying or changed over time. It wasn't about trying to guess any kind of set up.
I'm not retreating. I think it's matters plenty to push a player who was not doing anything other than tunneling one individual and refusing to consider what his own town reads are telling him.
you think kpaca talking about me and lagoon/axel talking about their own claims is the best path to solving this game?
Your reading comprehension is severely lacking if that's what you got out of the words you quoted. You should get that checked out
How do you feel about ZDS's push on Rod? I felt like that came from good faith.
ZDS's rod push is what had me lightly townreading him to begin with. the thoughts feel real, the conviction feels real, it just feels like a legitimate push
i do think his backing off is a bit hasty, but that was around the time that axelrod was picking up thread pressure. i can see someone from either alignment veering down that train of thought (and indeed i had doubts about the slot myself).
what i think i have to ask myself is "do i see this as a read that a wolf makes on a villager", because i have rod down as town with like 99% confidence. i think the way ZDS handles rod in the future is going to be telling in that regard - i'm not going to say how, because that would ruin the read, but it's something i plan to be looking out for
while i'm on the subject of ZDS: slips aren't real (exaggeration but you know what i mean) and i don't think ZDS guessing axel as a "desperado variant" is a scumslip in any way whatsoever. i think the most valid reason to vote here is his handling of tom; ZDS's push here is extremely level one, but it doesn't read as having the bullheadedness of kpaca's push and instead is sort of like... i think the word i wanna use here is "smarmy"? like there's an odd sort of smugness about it. i dunno, i don't like it. the thing that holds me back is that the tom read is SO level one that i almost wanna call pushing it twtbaw. if anyone can talk to me about ZDS's typical wolfgame, i think that would be enlightening wrt if that has any validity or not
the self-awareness at the beginning of his defense post is also weird. i'm not sure what i make of it alignment-wise. i think it sort of misses the point on a lot of why he's being voted? which is maybe >rand scum but veeeeery close to NAI.
i dunno, lotta mixed feelings here. i've seen both alignments play like this
All these things x2. I was going to go back and try to read some other ZDS games, but if anyone that's played with him before wants to fill me in that'd be great. It has me feeling like a bit of a bully, but on the otherhand isn't it weird that I was the one that posted the most elaborate case against ZDS and all he's said about it was, sorry about your tummy, but yet responded to just about everyone else mentioning his name?
Right, so you believed that you could probably find mafia in the people opportunistucally pushing on tom. And at the same time, you decided you needed to stop more people from pushing on tom for some reason, without having even caught up enough to know if the pressure had changed Tom's behavior. You're saying you deliberately sabotaged your idea for scumhunting (by giving advice to, Tubba, the person you thought most likely to be the scum pushing tom) and you did it because you wanted to be on the right side of this when we eventually figured out tom isn't mafia. Did I get that right?
If there's any doubt here, friends, please look and see how Konan just assumed tom was town in all of this.
Vote: Konan
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Last, I'm not sold on ZDS's defense being towny, beyond the general chill vibe from it.
Ok, follow me down this rabbit hole. I was completely indifferent about Shadow before Konan replaced in, so I had nothing against the slot starting this. I thought it was a little weird that Konan decided to skip the first five pages, but I was willing to let them do the catch up, which didn't particularly stand out to me, but then Amy and her big ego mentioned that she wasn't mentioned at all in any of the catch up posts. Ok, I get it, I haven't mentioned Amy much either but I have a pretty good town feeling about her, no big deal. However, in the next catch up chunk Konan does mention her a couple of times, but nothing regarding Amy's alignment. However, this happens:
I am almost caught up (aka read the full game) so this is where my reads are at:
Town: Slothful, Lastwhisper, Rodemy, kpaca
Town lean: Ampharos, Jackrito, ZeDorkSlipeur
Null: The rest
Light scum: fulcrum, Tubba Fett, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Scum: gooLagoon
Vote: GooLagoon
And I realize that I'm a light scum read, but thanks to Amy's ego, I realize that I was not mentioned a single time in any of Konan's catch up posts. Hmm, why is Konan scum reading Goo? Because, "344 by Goo is a no explanation vote. Noted. I take it back they do explain in 351 however what is the issue here exactly? If Rod knows tom is faking why make that stance as scum? Surely that would raise questions." This is the ONLY mention of Goo in the whole series of catch up posts, isn't it ironic? Anyways, I feel like this is a terrible/borderline scummy push on Goo, but why Goo and why me? Oh yeah!
I'm just going to leave this up here and let people come by and look at it in a well groomed plaza with maybe some infinity water features highlighting this glorious wall.
Did u just point to a large wagon, as if it's some kinda of god tell? What new wagons can't start without you trying to think some wolf is trying to be saved? We have two wagons, u think they are wolf/wolf then?
Ohh I see you and goo are being pushed because ZDS is a hit, same difference and I still hate it
Did u just point to a large wagon, as if it's some kinda of god tell? What new wagons can't start without you trying to think some wolf is trying to be saved? We have two wagons, u think they are wolf/wolf then?
Ohh I see you and goo are being pushed because ZDS is a hit, same difference and I still hate it
Thanks for confirming my evaluation of you. Do you really think I'm concerned about a light-scum read from Konan on myself? It's so much more than a large wagon or a light scum read on me, it's a rescue attempt.
”344 by Goo is a no explanation vote.” Uh, I disagree.
“however what is the issue here exactly?” That tom does this nearly every game, Rod knows this either through observation or direct participation, so it looks like an excuse for an easily justifiable push.
Ok, that might have been a bit harsh. Pretend like the first sentence wasn't there.
lmao I don't care, I've seen worse, but u can't expect me as an uninformed to just be like, "Yep he is town because he called me mediocre for not thinking he is town", it's just not a fair way to play mafia
”344 by Goo is a no explanation vote.” Uh, I disagree.
“however what is the issue here exactly?” That tom does this nearly every game, Rod knows this either through observation or direct participation, so it looks like an excuse for an easily justifiable push.
Sorry if that wasn't clear. Sometimes I get lazy in quoting. That was what Konan said about you in their "Catch Up", it was the only thing they said about you, but yet in the post that I actually quoted, Konan votes you with no explanation.
lmao I don't care, I've seen worse, but u can't expect me as an uninformed to just be like, "Yep he is town because he called me mediocre for not thinking he is town", it's just not a fair way to play mafia
Anyways I'll be back later
Kind of an OOG question, but what made you go from switching “villager” with “uninformed”?
lmao I don't care, I've seen worse, but u can't expect me as an uninformed to just be like, "Yep he is town because he called me mediocre for not thinking he is town", it's just not a fair way to play mafia
Anyways I'll be back later
Kind of an OOG question, but what made you go from switching “villager” with “uninformed”?
Right, so you believed that you could probably find mafia in the people opportunistucally pushing on tom. And at the same time, you decided you needed to stop more people from pushing on tom for some reason, without having even caught up enough to know if the pressure had changed Tom's behavior. You're saying you deliberately sabotaged your idea for scumhunting (by giving advice to, Tubba, the person you thought most likely to be the scum pushing tom) and you did it because you wanted to be on the right side of this when we eventually figured out tom isn't mafia. Did I get that right?
If there's any doubt here, friends, please look and see how Konan just assumed tom was town in all of this.
Vote: Konan
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Last, I'm not sold on ZDS's defense being towny, beyond the general chill vibe from it.
Ok, follow me down this rabbit hole. I was completely indifferent about Shadow before Konan replaced in, so I had nothing against the slot starting this. I thought it was a little weird that Konan decided to skip the first five pages, but I was willing to let them do the catch up, which didn't particularly stand out to me, but then Amy and her big ego mentioned that she wasn't mentioned at all in any of the catch up posts. Ok, I get it, I haven't mentioned Amy much either but I have a pretty good town feeling about her, no big deal. However, in the next catch up chunk Konan does mention her a couple of times, but nothing regarding Amy's alignment. However, this happens:
I am almost caught up (aka read the full game) so this is where my reads are at:
Town: Slothful, Lastwhisper, Rodemy, kpaca
Town lean: Ampharos, Jackrito, ZeDorkSlipeur
Null: The rest
Light scum: fulcrum, Tubba Fett, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Scum: gooLagoon
Vote: GooLagoon
And I realize that I'm a light scum read, but thanks to Amy's ego, I realize that I was not mentioned a single time in any of Konan's catch up posts. Hmm, why is Konan scum reading Goo? Because, "344 by Goo is a no explanation vote. Noted. I take it back they do explain in 351 however what is the issue here exactly? If Rod knows tom is faking why make that stance as scum? Surely that would raise questions." This is the ONLY mention of Goo in the whole series of catch up posts, isn't it ironic? Anyways, I feel like this is a terrible/borderline scummy push on Goo, but why Goo and why me? Oh yeah!
I'm just going to leave this up here and let people come by and look at it in a well groomed plaza with maybe some infinity water features highlighting this glorious wall.
Yes. Konan then also mentioned Amy again at the end at the end of his catch-up, for no real reason. It feels self-conscious. I wasn't going to comment on it yet because 1. self-conscious behavior can come from town, 2. I wanted to see where it would go and 3. I don't want to channel this into a *****-on-Konan thing. And yeah, good catch re: Lagoon.
I do think the entire ZDS wagon is town, humm. Again, doesn't necessarily make him mafia, but, worth noting.
Lagoon, are you following the case against Konan? I'm a little concerned that Terry and maybe Tubba seem to be the only ones with me on this, not sure I expressed the case perfectly.
Kpaca, I'm going to level with you, I'm kind of just treating you as an obstacle to work around at this point. Like, you're probably town, but you're so abrasive and hard headed about this Tom thing (repeatedly saying "answer the question" without actually saying what the question even is, for example) that trying to work with you right now seems pointless. I don't mean this to be dismissive, but I do want to express my frustration. Is there something I can do to help communication between us.
Ter, you're being kind of condescending, I think. I would appreciate it if you could be a little kinder.
There's a bunch of other stuff that isn't great, from me included.
tl:dr The game is starting to feel a bit toxic, let's try to remember we're here to have fun.
Kpaca, I'm going to level with you, I'm kind of just treating you as an obstacle to work around at this point. Like, you're probably town, but you're so abrasive and hard headed about this Tom thing (repeatedly saying "answer the question" without actually saying what the question even is, for example) that trying to work with you right now seems pointless. I don't mean this to be dismissive, but I do want to express my frustration. Is there something I can do to help communication between us.
Ter, you're being kind of condescending, I think. I would appreciate it if you could be a little kinder.
There's a bunch of other stuff that isn't great, from me included.
tl:dr The game is starting to feel a bit toxic, let's try to remember we're here to have fun.
I guess I felt like I asked the question a couple times, and am getting no answer. So have just decided to repeat myself at this point to call attention to the fact that tom is just completely ignoring the request. I’m kind of trying to be an obstacle I guess, because I really think we should all be voting for Tom; and quite frankly I’m getting a little frustrated with the prevailing attitude of “we don’t care he’s acting scummy”. If everyone else wants to focus elsewhere; fine. But I’m not quite interested in focusing my attention elsewhere.
I am also happy to engage in ways I can help engender our communication :).
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Sorry kpaca, but the tom thing has been going on long enough that I just don’t really care about it anymore. Pressuring him usually does nothing and I can’t recall him pushing the gimmick past day 1 anyways, with like one exception.
Just not something I want to focus on in the first half of day 1.
Although we’re at the point now where he’s being pretty cheeky instead of actually playing, so if that continues, I won’t mind running him over with a truck.
Sorry kpaca, but the tom thing has been going on long enough that I just don’t really care about it anymore. Pressuring him usually does nothing and I can’t recall him pushing the gimmick past day 1 anyways, with like one exception.
Just not something I want to focus on in the first half of day 1.
to me at this point it’s not about the gimmick. It’s about the why as well as the what he can provide for where he is at for this point in the game. He’s beginning to make it clear that he hasn’t done anything to further the goals of the town in my opinion.
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I'm asking why that one.
If there's any doubt here, friends, please look and see how Konan just assumed tom was town in all of this.
Vote: Konan
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So no, you didn't get that correct. I also did not assume tom was town that is a baseless assumption that you just tacted on to fit your narrative.
Konan, if you knew that tom had already stopped his gif posting (and, yes, I did forget that detail, but honestly, it really does not matter) then /why did you need to convince people to stop pushing on him?/
I do not think you have an actual answer to this question. I think you are just trying to obfuscate. And I think the real answer is that you know tom is town, and you wanted to get ahead of the rest of town realizing it. I am not interested in arguing this point by point with you, because I think the evidence is clear and you have already had multiple chances to try to explain. I think you are caught and arguing about it will simply be unpleasant. If anyone who is not Konan would like to discuss this with me or just isn't fully following the logic, please let me know.
Fulcrum out.
I did not want to see people commenting on if toms gif posting is towny or scummy. Along with how long he did it. As many others have pointed out and even without them I would say it is NAI and a waste of time so I wanted to shut down those arguments before they began. If people want to push tom for his normal posting by all means, but you cannot make a case for tom scum or town based on gifs alone.
Let us talk about the crux of your argument. The part that you have failed to support or show any claim to.That I know tom is town. Where did I hint or express tom is town? Please show me.
I don’t see why you’re trying to avoid me when we can discuss this relationally and normally. Because this helps us both get a read on each other and you trying to back off does not help the situation. I do not know who you play with that gives you the assumption that this will break out into an argument but that is not my goal.
I saw above Z posting and i opened his Iso and i can say i like his catch up, vibe and tone.
Until i read the thread to see posts and interactions i think i should
Unvote
because the RVS stage is long gone.
Scrolling up a little, i wonder why do we have other oppinion based on the same thing? For your last sentence ofc.
ZeDorkSlipeur (5) - gooLagoon, tomsloger, Rodemy, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Jackrito
tomsloger (3) - kpaca, ZeDorkSlipeur, Tubba Fett
Slothful (2) - Fuwa, Lastwhisper
Zionite (1) - Ampharos
gooLagoon (1) - Konan
Konan (1) - fulcrum
Rodemy (1) - Zionite
Not voting: Axelrod, Killjoy, Poison Chan, Slothful, TerRaine, xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
Vote History:
Slothful - Zionite > Jackrito > Unvote
Axelrod - tomsloger > Rodemy > Unvote
TerRaine - Slothful > Unvote > TheRealStinkyJoeTerry > Axelrod > Unvote
Ampharos - tomsloger > Lastwhisper > Jackrito > Poison Chan > Zionite
tomsloger - No Elim > Axelrod > TheRealStinkyJoeTerry > Axelrod > TerRaine > ZeDorkSlipeur
Fuwa - Slothful
Zionite - xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx > Rodemy
Rodemy - tomsloger > TheRealStinkyJoeTerry > gooLagoon > Ampharos > gooLagoon > Slothful > Axelrod > gooLagoon > ZeDorkSlipeur
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx - Killjoy > Unvote
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - Ampharos > Lastwhisper > Unvote
fulcrum - Lastwhisper > Zionite > ZeDorkSlipeur > Konan
ZeDorkSlipeur - tomsloger > Rodemy > Axelrod > Unvote > tomsloger
kpaca - Lastwhisper > tomsloger
Lastwhisper - Zionite > Poison Chan > Axelrod > Unvote > tomsloger > Unvote > Slothful
Killjoy - Axelrod > Unvote
Jackrito - Zionite > ZeDorkSlipeur
Poison chan is VLA.
Zionite is VLA.
It takes 11 to elim, and Day 1 Deadline is the 29th at 1930 PST.
answer the question
I want him to give his reason for faking a pr; state it using words.
And I want him to explain a few of his “reads”. As tubba has pointed out; he’s pretty much just giving himself the ability/flexibility to not actually have stances with any substance behind them. Everything he is doing right now is contrived. You know who do contrived things? Hint: not townies.
Why am I scum faking a read on Tom? What was my (fake) read on Tom?
If I’m scum with a fake read on Tom, are you not claiming Tom is town?
What about that post was good to you. It did nothing to change my view of ZDS at all.
Your reading comprehension is severely lacking if that's what you got out of the words you quoted. You should get that checked out
his posts are contrived.
Yeah but he’s not exactly going to do scum stuff.
I think I’ve not survived once as survivor, and I’m undefeated as SK.
I just havnt been around a lot within the last 4-5 years.
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are a decent combination of useless, fluffy, and backpacking off others
vote: Terry
And I realize that I'm a light scum read, but thanks to Amy's ego, I realize that I was not mentioned a single time in any of Konan's catch up posts. Hmm, why is Konan scum reading Goo? Because, "344 by Goo is a no explanation vote. Noted. I take it back they do explain in 351 however what is the issue here exactly? If Rod knows tom is faking why make that stance as scum? Surely that would raise questions." This is the ONLY mention of Goo in the whole series of catch up posts, isn't it ironic? Anyways, I feel like this is a terrible/borderline scummy push on Goo, but why Goo and why me? Oh yeah!
"ZeDorkSlipeur (6) - fulcrum, gooLagoon, tomsloger, Rodemy, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Jackrito" Notice anything?
I'm just going to leave this up here and let people come by and look at it in a well groomed plaza with maybe some infinity water features highlighting this glorious wall.
Ohh I see you and goo are being pushed because ZDS is a hit, same difference and I still hate it
Terry is town from the early day stuff alone.
There is no combination of useless and fluffy that is greater than Tom Slogers.
I’m having trouble shoehorning last in there. Maybe last actually is town.
And I don't think any combination of posts will make me believe those 4 posts in a row are good
“however what is the issue here exactly?” That tom does this nearly every game, Rod knows this either through observation or direct participation, so it looks like an excuse for an easily justifiable push.
Anyways I'll be back later
so you’re saying you don’t care who dies?
Yes. Konan then also mentioned Amy again at the end at the end of his catch-up, for no real reason. It feels self-conscious. I wasn't going to comment on it yet because 1. self-conscious behavior can come from town, 2. I wanted to see where it would go and 3. I don't want to channel this into a *****-on-Konan thing. And yeah, good catch re: Lagoon.
I do think the entire ZDS wagon is town, humm. Again, doesn't necessarily make him mafia, but, worth noting.
Ter, you're being kind of condescending, I think. I would appreciate it if you could be a little kinder.
There's a bunch of other stuff that isn't great, from me included.
tl:dr The game is starting to feel a bit toxic, let's try to remember we're here to have fun.
I guess I felt like I asked the question a couple times, and am getting no answer. So have just decided to repeat myself at this point to call attention to the fact that tom is just completely ignoring the request. I’m kind of trying to be an obstacle I guess, because I really think we should all be voting for Tom; and quite frankly I’m getting a little frustrated with the prevailing attitude of “we don’t care he’s acting scummy”. If everyone else wants to focus elsewhere; fine. But I’m not quite interested in focusing my attention elsewhere.
I am also happy to engage in ways I can help engender our communication :).
fair point.
Dangit wisp!
Just not something I want to focus on in the first half of day 1.