Pg 6. Dark mark ability, as far as I can tell by reading my/Zio's role message, is vague as hell, since that is coming up at this point in the thread.
Rodemy: "My plan was to see if the dark Mark was given by another player, and if I said it didn’t help me and I was targeted, we know that person is scum.
A stupid plan but hey, it’s me. Gonna be on in a few minutes to do some analyzing"
*You what. That could just as easily be taken as reverse psychology or a safe place to put the thing if it's unlimited though. What.*
<snip>
Pg 13 Rodemy has kinda convinced me a little. They sound more pissed that they might be judged by behavior that easily and regularly changes based on learning than anything else. Certainly scum isn't under enough pressure on D1 (assuming no massive slip-ups) to be this mad about it. Their plan just seems ill thought out frankly, though I'm still "what"-ing at it slightly.
Ok, I'm back from reading ZDS' last two games, Matter Mafia, where he was town and Prison BLock II where he was scum.
I really think the meta matches up with him being scum in this game. I'm not going to go through and build a meta case, but on my read through (of ZDS' ISO not the whole game), I felt the same level insincerity combined with kind of awkward joking in Prison Block that I'm seeing here. I was actually a bit surprised with the quality I saw from ZDS in Matter Mafia. I'm open to hear other people's opinion but it made me feel a lot better about where my vote is now.
he didnt seem insincere and awkward in matter?
Thats like
The zds brand
Have you read it? From what I read, it looked pretty level
I am just gonna keep Sloth/Ter/Goo at really really really light town
if Kpaca is red, then Terry is town
I dont really think I am jumping the gun on Tubba, or Fulcrum (the paranoia is still there though)
Amy I am fine with, she has been extremely natural with her thoughts
I agree with ZDS and his thoughts on Kill
and wake is doing her own thing rather than forcing stuff, which I like, this might be pre-mature but hey its day 1, so yeet
I strongly disagree with Kpaca and Rod. I'm more interested in hearing about Jack.
Kpca's tunnel on tom who I believe is scum at the moment I doubt is SvS it's vastly overdone if so and he seems genuine in his push. While I am now townreading fulcrum with the engagement. I think the way Rod reacted to pressure was coming from town. Although some people seem to have meta that disagree with my theory.
If anyone has reason to not townread Wisp/Amphoros/Rod/Fulcrum/Kpaca I would like to hear more about that as those are my solid townreads at this point in the game.
It was a voice, a voice to chill the bone marrow, a voice of breathtaking, ice-cold venom.
"Come to me... Let me rip you... Let me tear you... Let me kill you...
Rip... Tear... Kill...
So hungry... for so long...
Kill... Time to kill...
I smell blood... I SMELL BLOOD!
Kill this time... Let me rip... Tear..."
Ok, I'm back from reading ZDS' last two games, Matter Mafia, where he was town and Prison BLock II where he was scum.
I really think the meta matches up with him being scum in this game. I'm not going to go through and build a meta case, but on my read through (of ZDS' ISO not the whole game), I felt the same level insincerity combined with kind of awkward joking in Prison Block that I'm seeing here. I was actually a bit surprised with the quality I saw from ZDS in Matter Mafia. I'm open to hear other people's opinion but it made me feel a lot better about where my vote is now.
he didnt seem insincere and awkward in matter?
Thats like
The zds brand
Have you read it? From what I read, it looked pretty level
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
As I stated previously, tom is someeone I expected scum to hop on and try to punish/vote for a long time considering his gimmick. I found it odd how the only person I wasn't townreading who was doing such a thing was Tubba. Along with the fact it was just so hard to wagon tom at all, still now when he's posting barely any worthwhile content. I came to the answer it's most likely he's so hard to wagon because scum simply aren't doing it when I bet they'd easily do so if tom was town.
As I stated previously, tom is someeone I expected scum to hop on and try to punish/vote for a long time considering his gimmick. I found it odd how the only person I wasn't townreading who was doing such a thing was Tubba. Along with the fact it was just so hard to wagon tom at all, still now when he's posting barely any worthwhile content. I came to the answer it's most likely he's so hard to wagon because scum simply aren't doing it when I bet they'd easily do so if tom was town.
As I stated previously, tom is someeone I expected scum to hop on and try to punish/vote for a long time considering his gimmick. I found it odd how the only person I wasn't townreading who was doing such a thing was Tubba. Along with the fact it was just so hard to wagon tom at all, still now when he's posting barely any worthwhile content. I came to the answer it's most likely he's so hard to wagon because scum simply aren't doing it when I bet they'd easily do so if tom was town.
As I stated previously, tom is someeone I expected scum to hop on and try to punish/vote for a long time considering his gimmick. I found it odd how the only person I wasn't townreading who was doing such a thing was Tubba. Along with the fact it was just so hard to wagon tom at all, still now when he's posting barely any worthwhile content. I came to the answer it's most likely he's so hard to wagon because scum simply aren't doing it when I bet they'd easily do so if tom was town.
what if most scums are wifom-y avoiding Tom's wagon and most townies didn't find a reason to scum read him to vote?
If anything a gif game is very hard to sustain as scum and i am disspointed Tom dropped it but his posts are hard to point out like scum motivated.
Your post looks like a hidden invite for everyone to vote Tom but without real substance.
ok, so let's extrapolate this line of thinking, claire
you say you think tom would be wagoned by scum if he were town, and the fact that (in your view) town was the main/only ones wagoning him indicates that he's more likely to be scum, since scum didn't dogpile
so i guess my question is this: how do you think scum handles the evolving tom wagon if tom's scum and the tom voters are town?
you expressed townreads on myself, rodemy, and fonti - aka 3 of the people who were pushing back hardest on the wagon. i agree with these townreads, mind you, but if you think scum aren't piling onto him, you also have to admit that they aren't defending him, either
for whatever it's worth, i wouldn't ever vote tom today. i've liked his content since he started non-gifposting (that basketball read? ******* incredible), and perhaps more pertinently i think his wagon at its peak - kpaca, ZeDorkSlipeur, Tubba Fett, Lastwhisper - almost certainly contains at least one wolf, probably between ZDS and Tubba Fett. i think these two players have a lot of wolf equity on their own, but more to the point i think the way they slid onto this particular wagon, egging on kpaca's tunnel, was just kinda slimy. and that's never a w/w interaction
what i'm trying to figure out is where and why your mindset veers so sharply away from mine. we seem to largely agree on some of our core townreads - i think fonti rod and kpaca are all >90% confidence villagers, and wisp has been climbing for me - but everything after that seems... jumbled, and it's jumbled in a way where i can't really get myself to see what you're seeing. you stated that tubba was the only person you were scumreading on the ZDS wagon, but ZDS is near the very bottom of my list, and townreading him is like a super spicy take in comparison to the rest of the thread. and at times it just seems like you're... not really considering the things i'd expect you to be considering. treating tom as effectively an npc slot when initially discussing thread movements around him, for instance. or the post that everyone's "lol"ing, where you assert that tom being hard to wagon is wolfy when some of the most vocal and universally-townread players are his main defenders. i can't get inside your head, and it concerns me pretty deeply on an alignment level
though i will note that the amount of pressure - or rather, the lack thereof - that's been leveled sloth's way even after he became a pseudo-viable wagon is both seen and noted
i also recognize and accept that sloth's barely been here the past couple of days and this is probably contributing to the aforementioned lack of pressure
@Fulcrum
This is a quick post while I have wifi.
People I think are good
Fulcrum
Last
Ampharos
Rod
People I think are bad
Konami
ZDS
XxxtentacionMeUpxxx
Sloth?
Poison?
People I’m not sure about
Goo
Alpaca
Terraine
Tom
People I forgot about and thus have no opinion on yet
The Rest
Ask me about these and I will do my best to answer when I get internet back or can trick my wife that what I’m doing on my phone isn’t affecting our data.
can we talk about this readslist, btw?
the townreads pile is (arguably) the four most consensus villagers in the thread, now that wisp is looking townier. fonti is the only one of these that he really ever talked about in his iso, at all. wisp he gave "mild townpoints" to once and then never mentions again. he speaks to rodemy once, but never about him, and he never talks to or about me at all, so i have no idea why i'm there unless he's just sheeping consensus
the wolfreads pile is:
- a person who put some mild pressure on him, and is also emerging as one of the leading wagons
- the other leading wagon
- the strangest and lowest-content poster in the thread
- a person who recently started being cased in a fairly high-profile manner
- a player who literally subbed out before he made this post
the nullpile appears to just be "people i remembered are in the game but don't wanna put in townreads", which
i guess the crux of the whole entire list is that there's almost no work put into it. there's a legitimate townread on fonti (which spews her v if tubba is a wolf, so that's neat) and barely anything on anything else. he spends all this effort pressuring tom and then unceremoniously dumps him in "people i'm not sure about" - which, like, sure, but you'd think after making such a big deal about pressuring tom out of gifstage, you'd at least think a bit more about his alignment?
and the wolfreads are just... zero effort whatsoever. 1 consensus wagon, 2 rising wagons, and 2 0-posters, or close enough to 0-posters as to be a distinction without a difference. he never talks about any of these people, or interacts with any of them, save for like 2 *****posty interactions with sloth. i just struggle to believe that he actually has any of these reads, because the fonti read is legitimately a good read! i think he's capable of making good reads! and that just makes the lack of others stand out all the more
iso him yourself if you don't believe me - it's 17 short posts, it takes 2 seconds to look through and confirm what i'm talking about
i'm not voting tubba off of this post. i recognize that tubba's claimed to be having conflicts irl leading to inactivity, and i think that's a feasible explanation for underthinking things, but that's not something to just leave alone and never touch.
tubba, if you're town, i want to find you. i want to connect with you, to see the villager mindset, to see you looking for wolves and trying to make the right vote, rather than just posting out of obligation and trying to survive. i want to know, just really briefly, why you're scumreading the people you're scumreading. help me help you.
As I stated previously, tom is someeone I expected scum to hop on and try to punish/vote for a long time considering his gimmick. I found it odd how the only person I wasn't townreading who was doing such a thing was Tubba. Along with the fact it was just so hard to wagon tom at all, still now when he's posting barely any worthwhile content. I came to the answer it's most likely he's so hard to wagon because scum simply aren't doing it when I bet they'd easily do so if tom was town.
Sigh Amy I was ready to just let my wagon build up and see how interesting it could get but you keep giving these walls. I regret revealing who I was to you, but I'll try. Give me a moment.
As I stated previously, tom is someeone I expected scum to hop on and try to punish/vote for a long time considering his gimmick. I found it odd how the only person I wasn't townreading who was doing such a thing was Tubba. Along with the fact it was just so hard to wagon tom at all, still now when he's posting barely any worthwhile content. I came to the answer it's most likely he's so hard to wagon because scum simply aren't doing it when I bet they'd easily do so if tom was town.
lol
Do you have experience with each other?
We do yes, but tom doesn't know it and I'm not about to reveal it to him so he can try and wiggle out of it.
jack, what specifically about sloth's pushes would you describe as "aggro"?
because i'm in his iso and i was about to call him out for being too reasonable/agreeable/passive/whatever
I would say recently he is a lot more like that, aggressive is maybe too strong of a word. My issue was the way he handed Terry and Rod did not feel to me town, it felt more like a shark waiting for something to jump on. It felt too sudden to me at least, I may need to relook at it because people I'm wrong here.
so the analogy me and grapefruit were working on for sloth involves... really far too many basketball metaphors...
But what it comes down to is that when townsloth pushes people it feels like hes playing smothering defense (counterintuitive i know, offense as defense, but i think you might get it based on this post)
The analog i came up with was patrick beverley. If that means anything to anyone.
So that aggression for him is being in his scumreads' face, make them work for every step, tenacious. Just, generally making it hard for them to do what they want to do, forcing them into lower percentage shots.
The theory then goes, scumsloth pushes people by going for steals and jumping passing lanes. So rather than directly effecting them, hes waiting for them to make a mistake to jump on.
Thats why his weak ass "gotcha" on last pinged me so hard. Looks like sloth thinking he saw last not protect the ball very well and tried to poke it free
Perhaps we just havent seen him sink his teeth in. I guess hes vla, its still not that late in the day...
But hes like
Top posting
#255
In regards to this post, I’d probably say the same thing I said in regards to Terry. I’d expect town!Sloth to stand his ground on his own opinion, rather than back off because others think its something that Terry could do as town
Page 1 of his iso is combinations of playfulness, and poking at Terry, also he votes Jack because ???
Calls out Rodemy as being possible scum? But he hasn’t said anything really about Jack, so IDK why his vote ended up there?
So Sloth can be a wolf I guess? His content on a macro level isn’t townie enough to volume clear him yet thats for sure
Sloth re-evaluating is probably something I like, but it still bothers me on a fundamental level, cause this isnt how I expect town!Sloth to treat his reads
So what happened between these two posts to result in these two statements for the game?
So this is gunna be one of those games were everyone thinks I'm a wolf and anything I just say is spew, lit
...for the life of me, I don't know where this came from. You weren't even being talked about at the time. It's like a holstered post you accidentally clicked Post on. Did you explain this?
As I stated previously, tom is someeone I expected scum to hop on and try to punish/vote for a long time considering his gimmick. I found it odd how the only person I wasn't townreading who was doing such a thing was Tubba. Along with the fact it was just so hard to wagon tom at all, still now when he's posting barely any worthwhile content. I came to the answer it's most likely he's so hard to wagon because scum simply aren't doing it when I bet they'd easily do so if tom was town.
what if most scums are wifom-y avoiding Tom's wagon and most townies didn't find a reason to scum read him to vote?
If anything a gif game is very hard to sustain as scum and i am disspointed Tom dropped it but his posts are hard to point out like scum motivated.
Your post looks like a hidden invite for everyone to vote Tom but without real substance.
here's a question i'd like to ask, btw: why is this post enough to motivate a vote on konan, but the entire exchange with terraine earlier (one in which you immediately adopted a stance of "why are you trying to shade me" and never backed down from said stance) was not?
this konan vote is the first real stance that this slot has committed to all game.
Welcome Trisscar and Rhand!
At least i will feel less alone while catching up.
At the moment of my last post #320 i have Wisp as leaning villager by tone of posts, with Amy and Lagoon.
I don't trust Kpaca for his entry and his self meta, Rodemy for that plan (i know townies can have plans too but until i see more posts from him i am not convinced he didn't fake it).
I liked Tom's Ron gif reads on page 6 somewhere and Tuba is at the upper part of the null.
I am usually an AMA person, now I have so much to read that i feel myself an alien in the game. Of course you can AMA but you may not receive a complete answer. Not yet ^^
do you mention primarily players who were central drivers of discussion... and then tubba. but not terraine?
the mention of tubba here is like. suuuuper out of place. wakemeup, what was so notable about him that you felt the need to talk about him, but not more vocal players such as sloth or terraine?
As I stated previously, tom is someeone I expected scum to hop on and try to punish/vote for a long time considering his gimmick. I found it odd how the only person I wasn't townreading who was doing such a thing was Tubba. Along with the fact it was just so hard to wagon tom at all, still now when he's posting barely any worthwhile content. I came to the answer it's most likely he's so hard to wagon because scum simply aren't doing it when I bet they'd easily do so if tom was town.
what if most scums are wifom-y avoiding Tom's wagon and most townies didn't find a reason to scum read him to vote?
If anything a gif game is very hard to sustain as scum and i am disspointed Tom dropped it but his posts are hard to point out like scum motivated.
Your post looks like a hidden invite for everyone to vote Tom but without real substance.
Wifom is never something that should be brought into an argument because it is something you can say about nearly any statement made. Really, the only time wifom is a souce that holds water is when the user in question uses wifom as a main defense often. However, I doubt scum in the case you are bringing up just decided to wifom toms wagon.
I can tell you a gif game is not very hard to do as scum at all. Along with the fact it has been clarified that it is NAI for tom. Yes I am inviting people to vote tom because if you look at his content that doesn’t involve the gifs it leaves a lot to be desired
Sigh Amy I was ready to just let my wagon build up and see how interesting it could get but you keep giving these walls. I regret revealing who I was to you, but I'll try. Give me a moment.
i would be making very similar posts to my current ones if i didn't know who you are, they'd just be a bit more... formal or something. less familiar. idk.
the read is not predicated on "you are claire and i cannot get into your head", it's "i cannot see the villager mindset behind your actions"
also if you want me to stop walling at you just be villagery 4head
As I stated previously, tom is someeone I expected scum to hop on and try to punish/vote for a long time considering his gimmick. I found it odd how the only person I wasn't townreading who was doing such a thing was Tubba. Along with the fact it was just so hard to wagon tom at all, still now when he's posting barely any worthwhile content. I came to the answer it's most likely he's so hard to wagon because scum simply aren't doing it when I bet they'd easily do so if tom was town.
lol
Do you have experience with each other?
We do yes, but tom doesn't know it and I'm not about to reveal it to him so he can try and wiggle out of it.
i'm trying to figure out if it's alignment indicative that you considered staying hidden from me, because mafia is suffering
i think it's not, because i know you're addicted to alting, but it's still in my brain
if i'm looking at it through a scum!you lens, on the one hand revealing yourself makes me pay more attention to you... but on the other hand you might be able to pocket me
if it's town!you i'd HOPE that you'd want to link up and towncore with me... but again, addicted to alting. and it's totally your sense of humor to **** with me and not tell me until postgame
Let me go grab a drink and see if I care enough about defending myself or if I just want to focus on finding scumreads.
take your time, i'm going to bed early tonight so urgency isn't really a concern here
i don't really care whether or not you defend yourself, i just want to figure you out. however you can best express your alignment is my preferred solution, but do whatever you want I GUESS
I don't know how you have this viewpoint of me Amy when we haven't played and it's entirely like, wrong and skewed on how I just play mafia in general but I'll just go answer your post.
I don't know how you have this viewpoint of me Amy when we haven't played and it's entirely like, wrong and skewed on how I just play mafia in general but I'll just go answer your post.
i told you, it's not a you-specific read
when i'm looking for villagers, i'm looking for process, motivation, why are you poking at the things you're poking at. what's going on under the hood. when i can't get under a player's hood, when i can't figure out why they're doing the things they're doing, it concerns me.
i think my questioning's made this very clear, but like... i just don't get your thing about tom. at all. it feels like you're not really thinking through the things you're saying all the way - you're saying things that sound good on the surface but don't really hold up under scrutiny. it looks like there's more depth than there is
and again, this is not contingent on you being you. this is how i read people, period
i can call you konan if it makes you feel better, but removing the familiarity with the person doesn't affect the validity of the read whatsoever
As I stated previously, tom is someeone I expected scum to hop on and try to punish/vote for a long time considering his gimmick. I found it odd how the only person I wasn't townreading who was doing such a thing was Tubba. Along with the fact it was just so hard to wagon tom at all, still now when he's posting barely any worthwhile content. I came to the answer it's most likely he's so hard to wagon because scum simply aren't doing it when I bet they'd easily do so if tom was town.
what if most scums are wifom-y avoiding Tom's wagon and most townies didn't find a reason to scum read him to vote?
If anything a gif game is very hard to sustain as scum and i am disspointed Tom dropped it but his posts are hard to point out like scum motivated.
Your post looks like a hidden invite for everyone to vote Tom but without real substance.
Wifom is never something that should be brought into an argument because it is something you can say about nearly any statement made. Really, the only time wifom is a souce that holds water is when the user in question uses wifom as a main defense often. However, I doubt scum in the case you are bringing up just decided to wifom toms wagon.
I can tell you a gif game is not very hard to do as scum at all. Along with the fact it has been clarified that it is NAI for tom. Yes I am inviting people to vote tom because if you look at his content that doesn’t involve the gifs it leaves a lot to be desired
I think Tom's non-gif content has actually been really good, so you might want to try backing this up.
so i guess my question is this: how do you think scum handles the evolving tom wagon if tom's scum and the tom voters are town?
Considering how little value scum tom would/had brought to the table (taking away all factors of role wifom) I wouldn’t be surprised if some went for an early bus, in fact that was my first thought but as I’ve said the only one I bring into question is tubba. So really, I wouldn’t be surprised if they are going on my wagon. Saying how scum handle a wagon without knowing who said scum are is just a guessing game.
but if you think scum aren't piling onto him, you also have to admit that they aren't defending him, either
I wouldn’t defend a slot that has brought little to the table as scum either that would look bad on a flip. If scum are defending town they’re doing it by saying lynching the gif poster is bad. However they can’t do that anymore so it gives more wiggle room.
think the way they slid onto this particular wagon, egging on kpaca's tunnel, was just kinda slimy. and that's never a w/w interaction
We can agree to disagree on this.
but everything after that seems... jumbled, and it's jumbled in a way where i can't really get myself to see what you're seeing.
Then you should be asking me more questions on what you don’t understand. You do know 2 of the votes on my wagon are empty because the reasoning has been proven wrong and they’re just sitting
you stated that tubba was the only person you were scumreading on the ZDS wagon, but ZDS is near the very bottom of my list, and townreading him is like a super spicy take in comparison to the rest of the thread. and at times it just seems like you're... not really considering the things
I feel like I can be throwing this right back at you. I’ve mulled over a lot of things in my head and yes I am not going to spam post and I keep some thoughts to myself but to say I haven’t considered things is so blatantly incorrect. Yes I get that my read is ‘spicy’ as you put it but that doesn’t stop me from having it. I have offered open discussion on my reads and if no one wants to take me on them and just vote me then truly I cannot do much. I know you are not meaning to make this offensive, but considering I read the whole front to back minus 5 pages in about 2 days and had to catch up, my weakest point in the game mind you. Sure, I could 'miss' some things. But to say I don't consider? Come on now.
If you believe his posting is good you should show me how it is good so I can look at the slot yet again and take what you say into consideration.(I feel the need to roll my eyes at this because I don't think people do that to me and it is quite demotivating but alas)
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@terry
which games did you look at, to make this read of ZDS?
Kpca's tunnel on tom who I believe is scum at the moment I doubt is SvS it's vastly overdone if so and he seems genuine in his push. While I am now townreading fulcrum with the engagement. I think the way Rod reacted to pressure was coming from town. Although some people seem to have meta that disagree with my theory.
Konan (4) - fulcrum, ZeDorkSlipeur, Killjoy, TerRaine
tomsloger (4) - kpaca, Tubba Fett, Konan, Lastwhisper
ZeDorkSlipeur (4) - Rodemy, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Jackrito, gooLagoon
Slothful (3) - Fuwa, Ampharos, tomsloger
Kpaca (1) - Lastwhisper
Rodemy (1) - Trisscar
Not voting: Axelrod, Rhand, Slothful, xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
Vote History:
Slothful - Zionite > Jackrito > Unvote
Axelrod - tomsloger > Rodemy > Unvote
TerRaine - Slothful > Unvote > TheRealStinkyJoeTerry > Axelrod > Unvote > Konan
Ampharos - tomsloger > Lastwhisper > Jackrito > Rhand > Zionite > ZeDorkSlipeur > Slothful
tomsloger - No Elim > Axelrod > TheRealStinkyJoeTerry > Axelrod > TerRaine > ZeDorkSlipeur > Konan > Slothful
Fuwa - Slothful
Trisscar - xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx > Rodemy
Rodemy - tomsloger > TheRealStinkyJoeTerry > gooLagoon > Ampharos > gooLagoon > Slothful > Axelrod > gooLagoon > ZeDorkSlipeur
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx - Killjoy > Unvote
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - Ampharos > Lastwhisper > Unvote
fulcrum - Lastwhisper > Trisscar > ZeDorkSlipeur > Konan
ZeDorkSlipeur - tomsloger > Rodemy > Axelrod > Unvote > tomsloger > Konan
kpaca - Lastwhisper > tomsloger
Lastwhisper - Trisscar > Rhand > Axelrod > Unvote > tomsloger > Unvote > Slothful > TheRealStinkyJoeTerry > tomsloger > Unvote > kpaca > tomsloger
Killjoy - Axelrod > Unvote > Konan
Jackrito - Trisscar > ZeDorkSlipeur
Konan - gooLagoon > tomsloger
Rodemy is VLA.
Tubba Fett is VLA.
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx is VLA.
ZeDorkSlipeur is VLA.
It takes 11 to elim, and Day 1 Deadline is the 29th at 1930 PST.
TerRaine - 4+
Ampharos - 4+
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx - 4+
Fuwa - 4+
tomsloger - 4+
Lastwhisper - 4+
kpaca - 1
fulcrum - 4+
gooLagoon - 4+
ZeDorkSlipeur - 3 (VLA)
Killjoy - 4+
Rodemy - 3 (VLA)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - 4+
Konan - 1
Axelrod - 2
Jackrito - 4+
Rhand - 2 (Subbed-In)
Tubba Fett - 1
Slothful - 4+
Trisscar - 1 (Subbed-In)
Axelrod has been prodded.
Konan has been prodded.
kpaca has been prodded.
Idk. Im not looking again rn
Together
what if most scums are wifom-y avoiding Tom's wagon and most townies didn't find a reason to scum read him to vote?
If anything a gif game is very hard to sustain as scum and i am disspointed Tom dropped it but his posts are hard to point out like scum motivated.
Your post looks like a hidden invite for everyone to vote Tom but without real substance.
you say you think tom would be wagoned by scum if he were town, and the fact that (in your view) town was the main/only ones wagoning him indicates that he's more likely to be scum, since scum didn't dogpile
so i guess my question is this: how do you think scum handles the evolving tom wagon if tom's scum and the tom voters are town?
you expressed townreads on myself, rodemy, and fonti - aka 3 of the people who were pushing back hardest on the wagon. i agree with these townreads, mind you, but if you think scum aren't piling onto him, you also have to admit that they aren't defending him, either
for whatever it's worth, i wouldn't ever vote tom today. i've liked his content since he started non-gifposting (that basketball read? ******* incredible), and perhaps more pertinently i think his wagon at its peak - kpaca, ZeDorkSlipeur, Tubba Fett, Lastwhisper - almost certainly contains at least one wolf, probably between ZDS and Tubba Fett. i think these two players have a lot of wolf equity on their own, but more to the point i think the way they slid onto this particular wagon, egging on kpaca's tunnel, was just kinda slimy. and that's never a w/w interaction
what i'm trying to figure out is where and why your mindset veers so sharply away from mine. we seem to largely agree on some of our core townreads - i think fonti rod and kpaca are all >90% confidence villagers, and wisp has been climbing for me - but everything after that seems... jumbled, and it's jumbled in a way where i can't really get myself to see what you're seeing. you stated that tubba was the only person you were scumreading on the ZDS wagon, but ZDS is near the very bottom of my list, and townreading him is like a super spicy take in comparison to the rest of the thread. and at times it just seems like you're... not really considering the things i'd expect you to be considering. treating tom as effectively an npc slot when initially discussing thread movements around him, for instance. or the post that everyone's "lol"ing, where you assert that tom being hard to wagon is wolfy when some of the most vocal and universally-townread players are his main defenders. i can't get inside your head, and it concerns me pretty deeply on an alignment level
but now claire's wolfy
but if we vote out claire and we're wrong i'm going to be very sad LOL
for podracing, i guess
though i will note that the amount of pressure - or rather, the lack thereof - that's been leveled sloth's way even after he became a pseudo-viable wagon is both seen and noted
but still
the townreads pile is (arguably) the four most consensus villagers in the thread, now that wisp is looking townier. fonti is the only one of these that he really ever talked about in his iso, at all. wisp he gave "mild townpoints" to once and then never mentions again. he speaks to rodemy once, but never about him, and he never talks to or about me at all, so i have no idea why i'm there unless he's just sheeping consensus
the wolfreads pile is:
- a person who put some mild pressure on him, and is also emerging as one of the leading wagons
- the other leading wagon
- the strangest and lowest-content poster in the thread
- a person who recently started being cased in a fairly high-profile manner
- a player who literally subbed out before he made this post
the nullpile appears to just be "people i remembered are in the game but don't wanna put in townreads", which
i guess the crux of the whole entire list is that there's almost no work put into it. there's a legitimate townread on fonti (which spews her v if tubba is a wolf, so that's neat) and barely anything on anything else. he spends all this effort pressuring tom and then unceremoniously dumps him in "people i'm not sure about" - which, like, sure, but you'd think after making such a big deal about pressuring tom out of gifstage, you'd at least think a bit more about his alignment?
and the wolfreads are just... zero effort whatsoever. 1 consensus wagon, 2 rising wagons, and 2 0-posters, or close enough to 0-posters as to be a distinction without a difference. he never talks about any of these people, or interacts with any of them, save for like 2 *****posty interactions with sloth. i just struggle to believe that he actually has any of these reads, because the fonti read is legitimately a good read! i think he's capable of making good reads! and that just makes the lack of others stand out all the more
iso him yourself if you don't believe me - it's 17 short posts, it takes 2 seconds to look through and confirm what i'm talking about
i'm not voting tubba off of this post. i recognize that tubba's claimed to be having conflicts irl leading to inactivity, and i think that's a feasible explanation for underthinking things, but that's not something to just leave alone and never touch.
tubba, if you're town, i want to find you. i want to connect with you, to see the villager mindset, to see you looking for wolves and trying to make the right vote, rather than just posting out of obligation and trying to survive. i want to know, just really briefly, why you're scumreading the people you're scumreading. help me help you.
the enter key is almost as much dopamine as the post reply button. i can't help it.
Do you have experience with each other?
this konan vote is the first real stance that this slot has committed to all game.
furthermore, why in this post: do you mention primarily players who were central drivers of discussion... and then tubba. but not terraine?
the mention of tubba here is like. suuuuper out of place. wakemeup, what was so notable about him that you felt the need to talk about him, but not more vocal players such as sloth or terraine?
Wifom is never something that should be brought into an argument because it is something you can say about nearly any statement made. Really, the only time wifom is a souce that holds water is when the user in question uses wifom as a main defense often. However, I doubt scum in the case you are bringing up just decided to wifom toms wagon.
I can tell you a gif game is not very hard to do as scum at all. Along with the fact it has been clarified that it is NAI for tom. Yes I am inviting people to vote tom because if you look at his content that doesn’t involve the gifs it leaves a lot to be desired
the read is not predicated on "you are claire and i cannot get into your head", it's "i cannot see the villager mindset behind your actions"
also if you want me to stop walling at you just be villagery 4head
i think it's not, because i know you're addicted to alting, but it's still in my brain
if i'm looking at it through a scum!you lens, on the one hand revealing yourself makes me pay more attention to you... but on the other hand you might be able to pocket me
if it's town!you i'd HOPE that you'd want to link up and towncore with me... but again, addicted to alting. and it's totally your sense of humor to **** with me and not tell me until postgame
this post is mostly pointless, i think. whatever.
i don't really care whether or not you defend yourself, i just want to figure you out. however you can best express your alignment is my preferred solution, but do whatever you want I GUESS
when i'm looking for villagers, i'm looking for process, motivation, why are you poking at the things you're poking at. what's going on under the hood. when i can't get under a player's hood, when i can't figure out why they're doing the things they're doing, it concerns me.
i think my questioning's made this very clear, but like... i just don't get your thing about tom. at all. it feels like you're not really thinking through the things you're saying all the way - you're saying things that sound good on the surface but don't really hold up under scrutiny. it looks like there's more depth than there is
and again, this is not contingent on you being you. this is how i read people, period
i can call you konan if it makes you feel better, but removing the familiarity with the person doesn't affect the validity of the read whatsoever
your homework is this:
if tom is scum, who looks suspicious for the way they handled him
if tom is town, same question
that's all. i don't even care if you explain why you pick whichever players you pick
feel free to go wild in dvc/graveyard/whatever you call the place where the spectators are
I think Tom's non-gif content has actually been really good, so you might want to try backing this up.
Considering how little value scum tom would/had brought to the table (taking away all factors of role wifom) I wouldn’t be surprised if some went for an early bus, in fact that was my first thought but as I’ve said the only one I bring into question is tubba. So really, I wouldn’t be surprised if they are going on my wagon. Saying how scum handle a wagon without knowing who said scum are is just a guessing game.
but if you think scum aren't piling onto him, you also have to admit that they aren't defending him, either
I wouldn’t defend a slot that has brought little to the table as scum either that would look bad on a flip. If scum are defending town they’re doing it by saying lynching the gif poster is bad. However they can’t do that anymore so it gives more wiggle room.
think the way they slid onto this particular wagon, egging on kpaca's tunnel, was just kinda slimy. and that's never a w/w interaction
We can agree to disagree on this.
but everything after that seems... jumbled, and it's jumbled in a way where i can't really get myself to see what you're seeing.
Then you should be asking me more questions on what you don’t understand. You do know 2 of the votes on my wagon are empty because the reasoning has been proven wrong and they’re just sitting
you stated that tubba was the only person you were scumreading on the ZDS wagon, but ZDS is near the very bottom of my list, and townreading him is like a super spicy take in comparison to the rest of the thread. and at times it just seems like you're... not really considering the things
I feel like I can be throwing this right back at you. I’ve mulled over a lot of things in my head and yes I am not going to spam post and I keep some thoughts to myself but to say I haven’t considered things is so blatantly incorrect. Yes I get that my read is ‘spicy’ as you put it but that doesn’t stop me from having it. I have offered open discussion on my reads and if no one wants to take me on them and just vote me then truly I cannot do much. I know you are not meaning to make this offensive, but considering I read the whole front to back minus 5 pages in about 2 days and had to catch up, my weakest point in the game mind you. Sure, I could 'miss' some things. But to say I don't consider? Come on now.