I’m not sure it’s relevant yet. If I claim I open myself up to the scum rolekill and angel can’t save me? Also, it’s not clear in the setup, is there two separate night kills per night? The standard and the role? Or do they need to be combined? Did Azrael surviving the shot proc Hunter and that’s why theres two kills?
So this is where I claimed that there’s two night kills? Cuz, it kinda looks like I’m trying to figure out what happened last night. I will claim after Umami does.
Tubba you said "it's not clear in the setup" I pointed out that it was clear
this is what google says: To Live Your Life Online
....pffttttt
VOTE UMAMI
lol, you're joking right?
Friend, you know what LyLo is.
I honestly didn't know it stood for lynch or lose but new it referenced end of the game. Usually don't think of the end of the game on day 2 when there are only 2 deaths so far
I'm obviously not 100% certain or I wouldn't ask GD to claim. I can see a really random scenario where town Ter didn't realize the danger of doing a random assassin shot that launched scum hunter and decided to angel protect someone other than Osi b/c salt, which then knocked out Osi and attempted to knock outTubba. But again, why would Tubba be the target? It's just the most logical answer that Ter is scum in the context of what happneed last night.
...because salt???
The only reason not to protect Osi, the obvious night kill choice, if Terr was an angel is that she was so salty about Osi pushing her that she chose someone else, but again my whole point is that seems strange/unlikely
So this is where I claimed that there’s two night kills? Cuz, it kinda looks like I’m trying to figure out what happened last night. I will claim after Umami does.
STOP.
You will claim now. And the only thing you will claim will be:
"I was Angel protected last Night."
or
"I was not Angel protected last Night."
Fair point, even though he's already functionally answered this. I'm happy to claim whenever ftr
Ter scum Assassin, triggers Scum Hunter, who chooses (but why?) Survivalist Tubba for shot
—in this case, town gravedigger should confirm Ter scum
—my vote would be for font being the hunter in this world
Ter scum BOD works with scum Assassin Tubba to fake assassin and give Tubba extra life so he can later fake survivalist; Town hunter is triggered though and chooses Tubba because Tubba is sketch
—in this case true town survivalists should claim
—in this case, town gravedigger should confirm Ter scum
Ter scum assassin triggers town hunter who chooses survivalist tubba for shot
—tubba could be scum buddy or not, but prob not
—if scum know hunter isn’t scum, the only reason they would intentionally trigger that ability was because they thought they’d get an extra kill out of the deal (both Tubba and Azrael would be the most likely targets)
Ter town assassin spends shot (to try to take out Gravedigger?) unwittingly triggers scum hunter, scum hunter chooses (but why?) tubba for the shot and works with other scum to take out Osi
—why in the world would angel Ter not protect Osi, Osi was the obvious shot
—I mean, in scum font world, she could have known that Ter would be an angel and try to bait Ter to waste her protection on her, but fonts concern about being NKed night 1 never really seemed true
Ter town assassin spends shot and triggers town hunter who chooses tubba
—in this case ter, hunter, and osi are all town (or just ter and osi if osi was hunter), meaning there’s only 1-2 other town left and that would be insane if it tubba was town because that would mean 3-4 town were involved in destructive play in an incredibly unlucky series of unfortunate events
—tubba could be town or not; I would hope he was scum here or else that would just be insane
So, looks like GD was in scum hands and likely the dismissed role. I could see scum font intentionally trying to promote the idea that GD should not reveal until D4 instead of D2 (when apparently LYLO day 2 should be expected with this set up) to hide this. Osi could be town GD but everyone is saying she’s town hunter and at this point I’m more likely to believe that hunter is town and that Osi could have been that
Yeah, if World 3 is the case, I think Osi would be hunter and the solve is Osi/Tubba/Azrael/Sloth (could be font but I'd rather bet on Sloth being town)
Tom says "nope" on that (P.S. props on being a REALLY responsive/active mod).
He gave the same answer when I asked if Survivalist is informed of one of their "lives" being used up.
@Tubba: Ok, now you claim "Survivalist" or "not Survivalist".
There was a chance that the Angel thing was announced to you, and if so, revealing that alone is better than revealing your role. Given that it's not so, we need this instead. Go.
I'm punching you in the throat when distancing is lifted cause you can't possibly think I'm this bad at being scum
This post haunts me. It feels like Ter was legitimately annoyed at my stupidity.
But she would also say that to leave her partner in a good spot and have be doubt her...
Early on ( I’m mobile and going looking for it is a pain In this ass) he said something about scum NKing him so he could play in another game I think it was. Either way asked for the first NK...Struck me as weird and trying to hard so I looked at the roles.
Gravedigger has action odd nights so n1 he’d have an ability. If I was shooting blind I thought eh maybe this was him trying to like he didn’t care if he died n1 cause it doesn’t effect his role.
...I mean, all aside, this is still pretty much a scum claim right? She has to be scum here. She was pretty much wearing a shirt that read "YES I AM SCUM" with this argument?
Tom says "nope" on that (P.S. props on being a REALLY responsive/active mod).
He gave the same answer when I asked if Survivalist is informed of one of their "lives" being used up.
@Tubba: Ok, now you claim "Survivalist" or "not Survivalist".
There was a chance that the Angel thing was announced to you, and if so, revealing that alone is better than revealing your role. Given that it's not so, we need this instead. Go.
Check my ISO. I even flat-out as you both why you would be so overt about it.
I also think that's a possible point on Fonti that she didn't press on that more. But ~rand.
I honestly didn't know it stood for lynch or lose but new it referenced end of the game. Usually don't think of the end of the game on day 2 when there are only 2 deaths so far
It's definitely come up in the previous games we've played together.
Hell, mountainous ended because of LyLo.
And it was brought up in analysis a lot in Matter.
Check my ISO. I even flat-out as you both why you would be so overt about it.
I also think that's a possible point on Fonti that she didn't press on that more. But ~rand.
Oh, I was a little confused by that. I thought the risk of having a scum survivalist was greater than the benefit of having that as town so thought, at least from my day 1 perspective, we might as well lynch survivalist day 1. We extend the game/get more read time and neutralize survivalist which is of obvious benefit if they're scum and initially I thought it wasn't a huge loss because we essentially eliminate the reason for scum to kill them. Issues with this were pointed out but I didn't realize we were talking about Assassin
Ter was really adamant about protecting survivalist and convinced me why it was such a bad plan which is interesting with osi's read and tubba's claim, but still don't think scum assassin would risk a town hunter shooting the obvious target if they were scum so still have fonti>tubba right now
I honestly didn't know it stood for lynch or lose but new it referenced end of the game. Usually don't think of the end of the game on day 2 when there are only 2 deaths so far
It's definitely come up in the previous games we've played together.
Hell, mountainous ended because of LyLo.
And it was brought up in analysis a lot in Matter.
I was mislynched day 1 in mountainous. I knew LyLo was an end game term but I've never calculated it. Matter didn't even get close to that and I honestly didn't think about it, which yeah is probably lazy/bad play, but that doesn't make me scum. I'm not saying I've never seen MYLO or LYLO--I was just saying I didn't know what they stand for besides the game is about to end
Not sure, missed them somehow. I had mentioned in an earlier post that the mechanics posts could be a way to generate thread presence without providing reads, but that I didn’t feel like that was the case here.
Why keep Az around? He's either lurking or not present. I'd rather have a present Ter in the thread than have Az keep going because he's doing/saying nothing.
And that's what I was looking for. Remember this Tomorrow, friends.
Vote: Terraine
This is the baiting you were talking about, and its results, correct?
Why not be clearer on this, on the chance that you were the NK and hence your results would go unnoticed or, worse, misunderstood?
He feels like Jari, arrogant and tunneled. The refusing to acknowledge that he misread the votes is a really stupid and pointless thing for scum, I think instead it's from this "I'm always right" town mindset
So you feel like Az is acting like town!Jari would act, hence why you townleaned on Az enough to hop off?
Why? What would Jari's play have any bearing on Az's?
No. Not a townlean. It just wasn't as strong as the scumlean on Terraine.
Hunter had to use their kill last night or risk losing it, so that wasn't holstered.
Of all the roles Osie could have been, Hunter and Gravedigger are the most significant ones with the gamestate being what it is. And Osie could only have been one.
I propose we claim: Each of us has to claim {"GD"/"not GD"} and {"hunter"/"not hunter"} along with their results or an explanation of their actions for a positive claim.
Unless I'm mistaken, I think this is relatively low risk:
-With their shot used, Hunter is now effectively a vanilla role.
-I'm fairly optimistic that even if this game gets to N3, we'll have a clearish picture anyway. I personally think we can probably solve things before then though. Either way, the risk of losing the GD is outweighed by the importance of the information they can give now, if alive+town.
Ultimately 1 of the 5 remaining have to own up to at least one of those two roles, and we can have some insight on that.
It should be obvious, given analysis and my read on Tubba D1, that I am not the Hunter.
I'll keep quiet on GD until we have more of a consensus. Thoughts?
Yeah, but that's not scummy if Az is scum. Az was 100% the better shot.
I mean. Yes. If Az is scumm, Az is 100% the best shot. Just not following why you'd go for him instead of Umami when Umami's the one that "fell" for your bait, and your not-as-strong-as-Ter's scumlean on Az is...less solid.
Do I need sleep? Probably. Not sure what this response is regardless.
Scenarios in now particular order:
scumami engages the thread with mechanics talk, creating a presence and fishing for role information. ScumTer shoots an earnest shot at TownAz, hoping to either score a hit or create wifom.
scumami as above, townTer fires earnest shot at scumAz, the counter wagon and a reasonable suspect for her.
townUmami engages the thread with mechanics talk, hoping to nail down how everything works to help solve.
ScumTer fires a false shot at scumAz to sow confusion.
Those are the variables that can be slotted around. Would GD have both flips? That info probably breaks the game. I’m torn between Umami and Az as Ter’s partner.
Either fonti or Osi is the hunter. Az hasn't even been here. I am not hunter
Sloth, why is Tubba completely clear but Azrael is not? If Town hunter took the shot, then Tubba isn't inherently clear and it's is abundantly clear that Osi was town. I think both Tubba and Az would be equally cleared in a town hunter situation because it would mean scum assassin didn't think launching hunter would be a risk to their partner
Skimmed up to the present real fast, but without much comprehension on all the role-related issues. Need to bone up on the setup in the OP a lot more. Was feeling pretty good about Umami, until that possible scum-slip. Want to reread that interaction next coupled with the OP info.
Thoughts on #624? You already claimed, so it wouldn't apply to you - in a way, that makes your opinion very impactful.
Congrats on the new responsibility you've been saddled with.
Scenarios in now particular order:
scumami engages the thread with mechanics talk, creating a presence and fishing for role information. ScumTer shoots an earnest shot at TownAz, hoping to either score a hit or create wifom.
scumami as above, townTer fires earnest shot at scumAz, the counter wagon and a reasonable suspect for her.
townUmami engages the thread with mechanics talk, hoping to nail down how everything works to help solve.
ScumTer fires a false shot at scumAz to sow confusion.
Those are the variables that can be slotted around. Would GD have both flips? That info probably breaks the game. I’m torn between Umami and Az as Ter’s partner.
Again, not following how you have an either Az or me situation
Either fonti or Osi is the hunter. Az hasn't even been here. I am not hunter
Sloth, why is Tubba completely clear but Azrael is not? If Town hunter took the shot, then Tubba isn't inherently clear and it's is abundantly clear that Osi was town. I think both Tubba and Az would be equally cleared in a town hunter situation because it would mean scum assassin didn't think launching hunter would be a risk to their partner
I...never said Tubba was "completely clear"? I just think he's probably no other role except survivalist.
I mean also it's obvious but not GD or I would have claimed forever ago. Yeah, I think we have to do the not GD/not hunter thing to clarify. I'm fine doing full claims because I think it helps solve
Either fonti or Osi is the hunter. Az hasn't even been here. I am not hunter
Sloth, why is Tubba completely clear but Azrael is not? If Town hunter took the shot, then Tubba isn't inherently clear and it's is abundantly clear that Osi was town. I think both Tubba and Az would be equally cleared in a town hunter situation because it would mean scum assassin didn't think launching hunter would be a risk to their partner
I...never said Tubba was "completely clear"? I just think he's probably no other role except survivalist.
Thoughts on #624?
You have him in Green and Assassin in Red and yourself in Green with Osi. How is that not saying he's towncleared?
Hunter had to use their kill last night or risk losing it, so that wasn't holstered.
Of all the roles Osie could have been, Hunter and Gravedigger are the most significant ones with the gamestate being what it is. And Osie could only have been one.
I propose we claim: Each of us has to claim {"GD"/"not GD"} and {"hunter"/"not hunter"} along with their results or an explanation of their actions for a positive claim.
Unless I'm mistaken, I think this is relatively low risk:
-With their shot used, Hunter is now effectively a vanilla role.
-I'm fairly optimistic that even if this game gets to N3, we'll have a clearish picture anyway. I personally think we can probably solve things before then though. Either way, the risk of losing the GD is outweighed by the importance of the information they can give now, if alive+town.
Ultimately 1 of the 5 remaining have to own up to at least one of those two roles, and we can have some insight on that.
It should be obvious, given analysis and my read on Tubba D1, that I am not the Hunter.
I'll keep quiet on GD until we have more of a consensus. Thoughts?
I think it makes sense. Assassin has shot, hunter has shot, survivalist has claimed. Keeping roles hidden from each other doesn’t seem to have as much going for it with assassin out. The information gained should break the game open.
Scenarios in now particular order:
scumami engages the thread with mechanics talk, creating a presence and fishing for role information. ScumTer shoots an earnest shot at TownAz, hoping to either score a hit or create wifom.
scumami as above, townTer fires earnest shot at scumAz, the counter wagon and a reasonable suspect for her.
townUmami engages the thread with mechanics talk, hoping to nail down how everything works to help solve.
ScumTer fires a false shot at scumAz to sow confusion.
Those are the variables that can be slotted around. Would GD have both flips? That info probably breaks the game. I’m torn between Umami and Az as Ter’s partner.
Again, not following how you have an either Az or me situation
I think you or Az is Ter’s partner. Osie was most likely the nk, I think Sloth is town and Fulcrum is reading higher for me than you two.
Sorry you're blue, but he is green with Osi and Osi is very much towncleared
Read that as "townreading him but doing different shades of green in this forum is a horrible pain in the ass and I couldn't be bothered".
Ftr, still strongly townreading him, but obviously it can't be as strong as Osie's.
Skimmed up to the present real fast, but without much comprehension on all the role-related issues. Need to bone up on the setup in the OP a lot more. Was feeling pretty good about Umami, until that possible scum-slip. Want to reread that interaction next coupled with the OP info.
Okay, but there was conjecture that she could have been a different role and that scum partner could have launched assassin to make her look like assassin
Tubba you said "it's not clear in the setup" I pointed out that it was clear
I honestly didn't know it stood for lynch or lose but new it referenced end of the game. Usually don't think of the end of the game on day 2 when there are only 2 deaths so far
The only reason not to protect Osi, the obvious night kill choice, if Terr was an angel is that she was so salty about Osi pushing her that she chose someone else, but again my whole point is that seems strange/unlikely
Fair point, even though he's already functionally answered this. I'm happy to claim whenever ftr
Ter scum Assassin, triggers Scum Hunter, who chooses (but why?) Survivalist Tubba for shot
—in this case, town gravedigger should confirm Ter scum
—my vote would be for font being the hunter in this world
Ter scum BOD works with scum Assassin Tubba to fake assassin and give Tubba extra life so he can later fake survivalist; Town hunter is triggered though and chooses Tubba because Tubba is sketch
—in this case true town survivalists should claim
—in this case, town gravedigger should confirm Ter scum
Ter scum assassin triggers town hunter who chooses survivalist tubba for shot
—tubba could be scum buddy or not, but prob not
—if scum know hunter isn’t scum, the only reason they would intentionally trigger that ability was because they thought they’d get an extra kill out of the deal (both Tubba and Azrael would be the most likely targets)
Ter town assassin spends shot (to try to take out Gravedigger?) unwittingly triggers scum hunter, scum hunter chooses (but why?) tubba for the shot and works with other scum to take out Osi
—why in the world would angel Ter not protect Osi, Osi was the obvious shot
—I mean, in scum font world, she could have known that Ter would be an angel and try to bait Ter to waste her protection on her, but fonts concern about being NKed night 1 never really seemed true
Ter town assassin spends shot and triggers town hunter who chooses tubba
—in this case ter, hunter, and osi are all town (or just ter and osi if osi was hunter), meaning there’s only 1-2 other town left and that would be insane if it tubba was town because that would mean 3-4 town were involved in destructive play in an incredibly unlucky series of unfortunate events
—tubba could be town or not; I would hope he was scum here or else that would just be insane
So, looks like GD was in scum hands and likely the dismissed role. I could see scum font intentionally trying to promote the idea that GD should not reveal until D4 instead of D2 (when apparently LYLO day 2 should be expected with this set up) to hide this. Osi could be town GD but everyone is saying she’s town hunter and at this point I’m more likely to believe that hunter is town and that Osi could have been that
If Ter was town, we're so screwed
I don’t know the answer to that, I can’t claim one way or the other.
Nope
He gave the same answer when I asked if Survivalist is informed of one of their "lives" being used up.
@Tubba: Ok, now you claim "Survivalist" or "not Survivalist".
There was a chance that the Angel thing was announced to you, and if so, revealing that alone is better than revealing your role. Given that it's not so, we need this instead. Go.
Survivalist
I also think that's a possible point on Fonti that she didn't press on that more. But ~rand.
Hell, mountainous ended because of LyLo.
And it was brought up in analysis a lot in Matter.
Oh, I was a little confused by that. I thought the risk of having a scum survivalist was greater than the benefit of having that as town so thought, at least from my day 1 perspective, we might as well lynch survivalist day 1. We extend the game/get more read time and neutralize survivalist which is of obvious benefit if they're scum and initially I thought it wasn't a huge loss because we essentially eliminate the reason for scum to kill them. Issues with this were pointed out but I didn't realize we were talking about Assassin
I was mislynched day 1 in mountainous. I knew LyLo was an end game term but I've never calculated it. Matter didn't even get close to that and I honestly didn't think about it, which yeah is probably lazy/bad play, but that doesn't make me scum. I'm not saying I've never seen MYLO or LYLO--I was just saying I didn't know what they stand for besides the game is about to end
Not sure, missed them somehow. I had mentioned in an earlier post that the mechanics posts could be a way to generate thread presence without providing reads, but that I didn’t feel like that was the case here.
To the first part, reasons.
To the second, I thought that was pretty clear?
No. Not a townlean. It just wasn't as strong as the scumlean on Terraine.
Yeah, but that's not scummy if Az is scum. Az was 100% the better shot.
HunterOsie:
DOB, BOD, Assassin, Survivalist?; {GD, UT, Judge, Hunter}Tubba: (claimed) Survivalist
Ter?: (likely) Assassin
Azrael
Fulcrum
Umami
Hunter had to use their kill last night or risk losing it, so that wasn't holstered.
Of all the roles Osie could have been, Hunter and Gravedigger are the most significant ones with the gamestate being what it is. And Osie could only have been one.
I propose we claim: Each of us has to claim {"GD"/"not GD"} and {"hunter"/"not hunter"} along with their results or an explanation of their actions for a positive claim.
Unless I'm mistaken, I think this is relatively low risk:
-With their shot used, Hunter is now effectively a vanilla role.
-I'm fairly optimistic that even if this game gets to N3, we'll have a clearish picture anyway. I personally think we can probably solve things before then though. Either way, the risk of losing the GD is outweighed by the importance of the information they can give now, if alive+town.
Ultimately 1 of the 5 remaining have to own up to at least one of those two roles, and we can have some insight on that.
It should be obvious, given analysis and my read on Tubba D1, that I am not the Hunter.
I'll keep quiet on GD until we have more of a consensus. Thoughts?
I mean. Yes. If Az is scumm, Az is 100% the best shot. Just not following why you'd go for him instead of Umami when Umami's the one that "fell" for your bait, and your not-as-strong-as-Ter's scumlean on Az is...less solid.
Do I need sleep? Probably. Not sure what this response is regardless.
Anyway, night!
scumami engages the thread with mechanics talk, creating a presence and fishing for role information. ScumTer shoots an earnest shot at TownAz, hoping to either score a hit or create wifom.
scumami as above, townTer fires earnest shot at scumAz, the counter wagon and a reasonable suspect for her.
townUmami engages the thread with mechanics talk, hoping to nail down how everything works to help solve.
ScumTer fires a false shot at scumAz to sow confusion.
Those are the variables that can be slotted around. Would GD have both flips? That info probably breaks the game. I’m torn between Umami and Az as Ter’s partner.
Sloth, why is Tubba completely clear but Azrael is not? If Town hunter took the shot, then Tubba isn't inherently clear and it's is abundantly clear that Osi was town. I think both Tubba and Az would be equally cleared in a town hunter situation because it would mean scum assassin didn't think launching hunter would be a risk to their partner
Congrats on the new responsibility you've been saddled with.
Again, not following how you have an either Az or me situation
Thoughts on #624?
You have him in Green and Assassin in Red and yourself in Green with Osi. How is that not saying he's towncleared?
I think it makes sense. Assassin has shot, hunter has shot, survivalist has claimed. Keeping roles hidden from each other doesn’t seem to have as much going for it with assassin out. The information gained should break the game open.
I think you or Az is Ter’s partner. Osie was most likely the nk, I think Sloth is town and Fulcrum is reading higher for me than you two.
Ftr, still strongly townreading him, but obviously it can't be as strong as Osie's.
I am the GD.
Wow, what a mystery.
It's obviously Witch Assassin.
Hm...now what.