@KJ: your post count is way lower than usual, which points to more caution and that pinged me.
But the way you’re interested why I’m scumreading you sounds like town!you.
Not that I know scum!you, so meh.
I don’t like how you’re spinning this into a scum read on me though.
Well i ask loaded questions to illicit reactions of course.
Is that the same reason you say things like "attempting to create a distraction and waste our time." rather waiting either for the answers to my question or to see what i do with it?
Fair enough. Poking and testing is most of what you've done so far anyway. I don't particularly care as long as you don't become a distraction, for example by reviving feuds that had already gone on long enough.
To be clear, I wasn't testing for reactions when calling out 665. Getting reads is important but so is avoiding pointless dispersal not far from the deadline.
@ZDS: My questioning of Axel is a direct response to his post.
What do you think of his ITF post?
See 575, third paragraph.
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I hope tom has a reason for reviving the Rod/Vaimes feud in 665 and isn't just attempting to create a distraction and waste our time.
I like (the explanations for) Jack's reads individually, but the scumpile is nothing to write home about. "ITF, Umani, Tubba and Axel" are litterally the town's most shared scumreads.
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I hate how I always get that accusation based off my reads atm nobody else deserves to be in the scum pile fully. I'm not going to make some random pick to stand out unless I fully believe it. Umani is not a town held belief as well it's an pretty mixed view.
ITF's flip will determine my read on axel, we aren't lynching him today it looks like. and itf doesn't have a lot to go off of. it's a good place to start.
Last what do you have to say about my change of read? i was directed to the case and i liked it.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
ITF's flip will determine my read on axel, we aren't lynching him today it looks like. and itf doesn't have a lot to go off of. it's a good place to start.
Last what do you have to say about my change of read? i was directed to the case and i liked it.
Tubba:Question: THIS was your first post. I am not sure I understand what you are saying in this post. You are voting LW here because you think his vote on Umami is suspicious. What was suspicious about it to you? I don't follow your explanation in this post - i.e. you say you observed early defense of Umami by LW and early defense of LW by Umami, and now you don't like LW seemingly changing his opinion? Is that it?
Defense might’ve been a strong word but they were in each other’s mouths a lot, and I don’t see the slip as being enough on its own to explain the turnaround. It doesn’t make either of them scum but it grabbed my attention as unusual. Last hasn’t been forthcoming with further explanation and I’ve been lax in pushing for it, but that’s it in a nutshell. I’d hoped it would start some conversation I could analyze but nobody else seemed to notice or agree that it was relevant.
All right, but, what else have you got right now? If that didn't work, how about trying to start some other conversations? Have you got an opinion on Town/Scum for anyone?
@Axel: My point is that quite a bit of 532 is ITF's read on/surrounding ZDS. An above average amount. It's a natural train of thought to extend past that to "I wonder if ZDS's alignment can possibly be surmised from this, relative to ITF?"
I disagree? I mean, maybe you can, but for the most part I wouldn't try until I had the flip. Sometimes I get a strong sense from two people posting around each other that they wouldn't be scum together, and then I might say that, but that's usually about as far as I go down that particular rabbit hole.
I feel like the read on ITF wasn't there until you ISO'd him. Is that accurate?
Yes? My sense of him was that he hadn't done anything to make an impression one way of the other before that.
What is your feeling on the ITF wagon as a whole?
Eh. I am at this moment in time slightly concerned that there has been zero pushback on it, but, on the other hand, ITF has fallen off the planet, so that's not entirely surprising.
Why would it only effect your read on ZDS if you have a townread on him?
Sorry, maybe I am not understanding this question out of context. I thought the question was "If ITF flips scum, how would that affect your read on ZDS?" Which was the "slightly more likely to be Town" response.
Any reason you didn't vote Tubba here?
I had/have no reason to move off ITF yet. He still hasn't posted anything. It's not like I thought Tubba was some kind of slam dunk after that. I was mainly noting that he hadn't done much. I don't like to throw my votes around generally.
Axel- Axel bothers me a lot this game, his response when pushed by Wisp bothered me a lot, i mean the one about bringing a smile into the world it just came off a bit too fake and unnatural.
Well, it was obviously an attempt at a joke. Maybe you didn't think it was funny, but what bothers you about that?
I also find their scum read on Grape for "lying" my issue with this is he blames Grape for not being active after saying he would be, but Axel did the same thing.
I did what same thing? Not being active after I promised to be? Do you think I was seriously accusing Grape of being a liar?
They is too much time spend defending their own actions as well.
Generally, I'm going to answer questions people ask me. And sometimes I over-explain my thought process.
Next issue is how he says he wants to read people but only does ITF this partly felt like a Bus if ITF flips scum because I believe ZDS had already started the pressure.
You know, I had just started. I did note it took me over two hours to write the thing on ITF. I was tired and ready to be done at that point. I'm not sure what you were expecting.
His points are good, don't get me wrong it just bothers me how the only person he looks at he finds super scummy.
Well, actually, I didn't find him "super-scummy," vote on him notwithstanding. I just saw some stuff I didn't like, and not much I felt was particularly Townish, so that seemed a good place to park my vote.
Push on Tubba after is also fine but yet again is something already said by someone else. This bothers me since main focus has being on more widely scum read people.
Actually, main focus is on the lowest posting people at this point. There may be correlation between low posting and being scum-read, but that's not why I looked at any of these people.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
ITF's flip will determine my read on axel, we aren't lynching him today it looks like. and itf doesn't have a lot to go off of. it's a good place to start.
Last what do you have to say about my change of read? i was directed to the case and i liked it.
nothing yet *takes notes*
Um. You obviously do, so..
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ITF's flip will determine my read on axel, we aren't lynching him today it looks like. and itf doesn't have a lot to go off of. it's a good place to start.
Last what do you have to say about my change of read? i was directed to the case and i liked it.
ITF's flip will determine my read on axel, we aren't lynching him today it looks like. and itf doesn't have a lot to go off of. it's a good place to start.
Last what do you have to say about my change of read? i was directed to the case and i liked it.
nothing yet *takes notes*
Somehow I do not think you are actually taking notes....
Um. You obviously do, so..
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It was "Somehow I don't think you are actually taking notes...."
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ITF's flip will determine my read on axel, we aren't lynching him today it looks like. and itf doesn't have a lot to go off of. it's a good place to start.
Last what do you have to say about my change of read? i was directed to the case and i liked it.
nothing yet *takes notes*
Um. You obviously do, so..
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@ITF how much experience do you have in forum mafia and in person mafia? You obviously have a grasp on the concepts but your reply to GJ made me think you haven't actually played much online.
I've played quite a bit online, but not in like ~5 years. Granted, I preferred playing on sites that are way more casual than this one, but I've played a few games here as well.
ITF town read on me rings like he knows my alignment and is putting the cart before the horse. There is no reason to single me out for changing my mind, other players have done it too and I only did it once so far.
The meta argument is a little better, but easy to fake especially since all he has to do is parrot Rhand while pretending it was his own idea all along. Speaking of which, "I like that ZDS is scumhunting" (270) is not the same as "I think ZDS is town because he is reevaluating his reads" (274 and on), and NEITHER of these hint at an underlying meta read. Ergo I'm calling bull*****.
Scumhunting, reevaluating reads, and meta reads are 100% related... I have no idea how you don't see a connection between those three. In Prison, you dug into Flarg... and didn't reevaluate when information changed (trying to lynch claimed Vig D2). Here, you gave initial pressure to LW, and despite the fact that the LW wagon was gaining progress, you switched tacks to Umami. Why would ZDS do it? Scum!ZDS may have done because he thought that's what Town!ZDS would do, but based on what I saw from the previous game, I thought it was more likely that Town!ZDS saw something that changed his mind. Ergo, my read that this is more likely Town!ZDS than Scum!ZDS. Is this reasoning 100% full-proof? No, of course not, but at the time you had a vote or two on you, and I wanted to express that ZDS was less likely to be scum this game (and therefore not interested in lynching you unless more info comes out) so we can focus on other things.
My read was never "don't lynch ZDS ever", it was "don't lynch ZDS today". I'm allowed to have reads that aren't absolute, it's D1.
I have played with them but I can’t remember the meta.
I remember Winterfell mafia we were on a scumteam together. Our scummate got lynched D1 and I was cop'd N3 or so, but you rode a doc claim to endgame. There was likely another game we were in together but I don't remember.
He says three things here, and kind of undercuts himself twice: (1) Doesn't think Last is particularly scummy BUT (here is a scummy thing I would like him to explain. (2) I think ZDS made a decent point on Umami BUT (it is also weak and I don't agree with this other thing). And (3) Thinks ZDS is scumhunting and is not interested in lynching him (which is not quite the same thing as saying he thinks ZDS is Town).
So, this is self-meta, but I doubt myself a lot more as town. A lot of times I try to explain my thought process, but I just don't know anything, especially this early. I usually express my views more clearly when I'm scum because it's not hard to do, and people ask less questions. My gut was telling me LW and Umami were both likely town, and for newer players I prefer following my gut, but at the same time LW's vote on you was strange.
It's a tiny bit strange that ZDS is the one he singles out here as not wanting to lynch when he apparently disagreed with both ZDS's main conclusions to that point (on LW and then on Umami)
He then will explain in #274 that it is actually ZDS's reversal on LW which is making him like ZDS - his re-evaluating of his reads. I don't think that's an especially good reason to town-read someone, but, YMMV.
I felt that ZDS's drive was correct, as in at the time when he made his votes LW and Umami had done things scummy enough to warrant votes in the early game. I liked ZDS's rethought on LW because my thoughts were very similar as I was reading the thread; LW seemed scummy early, but later posts made me rethink it. In addition to this feeling different than last game, it was enough for me to be looking elsewhere for scum.
He then votes Shadow for Shadow's very first post/vote of the game, saying it was the "scummiest" vote on LW. I think that represented the third vote on Shadow (Vaimes, Rhand, ITF). Doesn't say what he felt was scummy about it, except that he's saying he now thinks LW is likely Town - ergo, vote the "scummiest" vote against the person you think is Town. I do not know who else may have been voting for LW and why they said they were (except ZDS did at one point, and ITF did not think that was scummy).
Rhand and ZDS were voting LW at that point (so Shadow was the third vote iirc). Both were more or less starting the wagon, and in general I don't find votes to get out of RVS scummy unless they are quite bad. Votes building on those wagons can be. I didn't have a good place to put my vote at the moment, and I wanted to see more from Shadow.
He then indicates willingness to follow a wagon onto Tubba. Which is...okay? as a thing to throw out there, but would maybe be better with some explanation.
I mean, sure, but the alternate was not posting at all. I had just finished my earlier post.
I didn't like Tubba's vote because it didn't seem like it was trying to view things from LW's eyes; it was more seeing LW doing something strange and voting him for it.
Could be someone who's just overwhelmed by it all, I suppose, but I don't feel like - in this game so far - there's been anything to get overwhelmed by.
It's more that I know I won't be able to keep up... which makes me feel kinda poopy.
their thoughts on Jack are just as bad, his thoughts don't actually say much
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My post on Jack says literal nothing, I don't even know why I posted it.
[quote]if you read Prisoners, I still agree this is a good reason to see ZDS as town, but definitely not strong
feels like an afterthought to explain a read, that was probably just TMI
You aren't the only one to bring up TMI, but I still don't quite get this. I gave a read and explained myself later... this is a very common thing to happen in a game of mafia. If my reasoning that I gave later doesn't make sense in the context that it was originally given, sure, that would be bad. Nobody seems to think that, just that I didn't explain it upfront.
It’s so not a good idea to try and make connections between players like that this early. Aside from it being a bad idea, I just don’t do it. So you probably shouldn’t read too much into that.
TBH I agree with this. Too many variables to figure that kinda stuff out right now.
ITF, what are your opinions on how other players relate to you or your wagon? For example, did anyone ping you for having bad reasons for voting you, or for not voting you, or for looking like they are testing the waters, and so on?
I'm going to respond to everything before getting to this, but the main thing weird about my wagon is that it's a lot of just tacit approval, rather strong reads that I am scum.
In Prison, you dug into Flarg... and didn't reevaluate when information changed (trying to lynch claimed Vig D2). Here, you gave initial pressure to LW, and despite the fact that the LW wagon was gaining progress, you switched tacks to Umami. Why would ZDS do it? Scum!ZDS may have done because he thought that's what Town!ZDS would do, but based on what I saw from the previous game, I thought it was more likely that Town!ZDS saw something that changed his mind. Ergo, my read that this is more likely Town!ZDS than Scum!ZDS.
I think, alignment aside, that this is a good read on ZDS. I doubt that ITF/ZDS are scum together, because I don't think scum!ZDS wants to make the same "amass too much towncred" mistake as before by bussing a buddy even earlier [and maybe succeeding, given the complete lack of counterwagon], and this observation makes me feel a little better about ZDS being town.
Still gonna wait a bit before I decide how I feel about ITF, though at this point I might as well re-evaluate all of my reads.
Ok trying to enter rod brain a little...
Wish me luck
If vaimes is scum perhaps hes "feeling worse" about me because he knows tubba is town. It might make sense in his head because afaik ive never been wrong in tubba before (and ftr im not now regardless of his alignment because i have no read) but the logic falls down a little if hes not townreading tubba...
Even in rod brain im not sure how those quotes imply a strong townread.
But it is *a townread*
So if hes not feeling good about tubba
Or bad about me
How did that progression happen?
I agree that, in a vacuum, scum!Vaimes would take advantage of you misreading Tubba and push you for it. But probably not this early, because lolTMI. Also because yes, I am not townreading Tubba, but it's more an absence of a townread than a scumread. I have no idea how Tubba plays as scum, but I doubt his scumrange and townrange are wildly different.
I don't really understand the "So if he's not feeling good about Tubba or bad about me, how did that progression happen?" I don't know what progression you're talking about -- me feeling worse about you? Or worse about Tubba? Because I don't feel worse about you, and Tubba is kind of a meh shrug loltom vote.
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guys idk how to feel about this and I haven’t even read ITF’s reply
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I would prefer questions like this weren't asked, mainly because it creates situations where players feel compelled to lie about IRL stuff regardless of alignment and I don't want that happening.
ITF should not answer this question in-game. Players should contact me privately if they feel they cannot keep up with the game for any reason.
If you have simple questions about this policy feel free to reach out to me privately. If you want to hold a debate on it please hold off until the game is over.
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guys idk how to feel about this and I haven’t even read ITF’s reply
it was a bad post
feels kinda like a partnery interaction but I am not going to bother with that for now
ITF's post is fine probably, his explanation for his thoughts on ZDS feel a lot better now, and I can stand by the thoughts
vote: Axelrod
Maybe I will finally focus on this game tomorrow since its my first day off, and I can actually get a good nights sleep
and I am happy with this vote, I feel like his posts are a bit disingenuous despite the actual content
my thoughts on Rodemy is that it feels like a chainsaw, I don't like it
if ITF was to flip wolf, I'd drop this thought
I am most definitely town-leaning ~most if not all of the people who voted ITF, so I can't wait to untangle that knot.
As for FF7, I've spent the last couple hours watching playthroughs and plot explanations and reading the wiki because I know I'll never play it but I still want to know everything about it.
I am very cutting edge and have been playing uncharted 4
Excellent "outside" simulator
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I feel like i keep bringing up jack even though im not scumreading him that strongly.
Just the bottom of a pile of tubba/shadow/m+7/grape/last that can vaguely die
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The other way for me to have phrased that question, I thought afterwards was:
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It's more that I know I won't be able to keep up...
Why do you say that?
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it was a bad post
feels kinda like a partnery interaction but I am not going to bother with that for now
ITF's post is fine probably, his explanation for his thoughts on ZDS feel a lot better now, and I can stand by the thoughts
vote: Axelrod
So, given that you seem to agree with the conclusion - what exactly are you calling "bad" here, LW? You don't like the way I unvoted?
Spin me a hypothetical: How might I have unvoted that would not have seemed "bad" to you?
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But the way you’re interested why I’m scumreading you sounds like town!you.
Not that I know scum!you, so meh.
I don’t like how you’re spinning this into a scum read on me though.
Not particularly.
Why the loaded question?
Is that the same reason you say things like "attempting to create a distraction and waste our time." rather waiting either for the answers to my question or to see what i do with it?
To be clear, I wasn't testing for reactions when calling out 665. Getting reads is important but so is avoiding pointless dispersal not far from the deadline.
I hate how I always get that accusation based off my reads atm nobody else deserves to be in the scum pile fully. I'm not going to make some random pick to stand out unless I fully believe it. Umani is not a town held belief as well it's an pretty mixed view.
Yeah there is t a lot of them, but they aren’t bad.
oh I just read that. Hmmm. It’s a good start.
I didn’t extrapolate That much info but wow.
Good job axel. I take back my read on you.
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Except for the next few hours, kinda busy. But will start catching up later.
Who we voting and why?
because i like his case. it was very well put and good solid reads. Am i not allowed to change my mind?
Last what do you have to say about my change of read? i was directed to the case and i liked it.
Don’t you dare charm me with semi-naked pictures!
*takes notes*
what is?
All right, but, what else have you got right now? If that didn't work, how about trying to start some other conversations? Have you got an opinion on Town/Scum for anyone?
I disagree? I mean, maybe you can, but for the most part I wouldn't try until I had the flip. Sometimes I get a strong sense from two people posting around each other that they wouldn't be scum together, and then I might say that, but that's usually about as far as I go down that particular rabbit hole.
Yes? My sense of him was that he hadn't done anything to make an impression one way of the other before that.
Eh. I am at this moment in time slightly concerned that there has been zero pushback on it, but, on the other hand, ITF has fallen off the planet, so that's not entirely surprising.
Sorry, maybe I am not understanding this question out of context. I thought the question was "If ITF flips scum, how would that affect your read on ZDS?" Which was the "slightly more likely to be Town" response.
I had/have no reason to move off ITF yet. He still hasn't posted anything. It's not like I thought Tubba was some kind of slam dunk after that. I was mainly noting that he hadn't done much. I don't like to throw my votes around generally.
Well, it was obviously an attempt at a joke. Maybe you didn't think it was funny, but what bothers you about that?
I did what same thing? Not being active after I promised to be? Do you think I was seriously accusing Grape of being a liar?
Generally, I'm going to answer questions people ask me. And sometimes I over-explain my thought process.
You know, I had just started. I did note it took me over two hours to write the thing on ITF. I was tired and ready to be done at that point. I'm not sure what you were expecting.
Well, actually, I didn't find him "super-scummy," vote on him notwithstanding. I just saw some stuff I didn't like, and not much I felt was particularly Townish, so that seemed a good place to park my vote.
Actually, main focus is on the lowest posting people at this point. There may be correlation between low posting and being scum-read, but that's not why I looked at any of these people.
Um. You obviously do, so..
*aggresively takes notes*
It was "Somehow I don't think you are actually taking notes...."
*burns your notes*
And hi ITF
What parts made you want to vote itf?
Is axel still town if itf isnt scum?
Is scumaxel unlikely to put things well?
I've played quite a bit online, but not in like ~5 years. Granted, I preferred playing on sites that are way more casual than this one, but I've played a few games here as well.
Scumhunting, reevaluating reads, and meta reads are 100% related... I have no idea how you don't see a connection between those three. In Prison, you dug into Flarg... and didn't reevaluate when information changed (trying to lynch claimed Vig D2). Here, you gave initial pressure to LW, and despite the fact that the LW wagon was gaining progress, you switched tacks to Umami. Why would ZDS do it? Scum!ZDS may have done because he thought that's what Town!ZDS would do, but based on what I saw from the previous game, I thought it was more likely that Town!ZDS saw something that changed his mind. Ergo, my read that this is more likely Town!ZDS than Scum!ZDS. Is this reasoning 100% full-proof? No, of course not, but at the time you had a vote or two on you, and I wanted to express that ZDS was less likely to be scum this game (and therefore not interested in lynching you unless more info comes out) so we can focus on other things.
My read was never "don't lynch ZDS ever", it was "don't lynch ZDS today". I'm allowed to have reads that aren't absolute, it's D1.
Lol hard disagree. I thought Flarg was clearly town as well... though tbf I thought your slot was likely scum.
I remember Winterfell mafia we were on a scumteam together. Our scummate got lynched D1 and I was cop'd N3 or so, but you rode a doc claim to endgame. There was likely another game we were in together but I don't remember.
So, this is self-meta, but I doubt myself a lot more as town. A lot of times I try to explain my thought process, but I just don't know anything, especially this early. I usually express my views more clearly when I'm scum because it's not hard to do, and people ask less questions. My gut was telling me LW and Umami were both likely town, and for newer players I prefer following my gut, but at the same time LW's vote on you was strange.
I felt that ZDS's drive was correct, as in at the time when he made his votes LW and Umami had done things scummy enough to warrant votes in the early game. I liked ZDS's rethought on LW because my thoughts were very similar as I was reading the thread; LW seemed scummy early, but later posts made me rethink it. In addition to this feeling different than last game, it was enough for me to be looking elsewhere for scum.
Rhand and ZDS were voting LW at that point (so Shadow was the third vote iirc). Both were more or less starting the wagon, and in general I don't find votes to get out of RVS scummy unless they are quite bad. Votes building on those wagons can be. I didn't have a good place to put my vote at the moment, and I wanted to see more from Shadow.
I mean, sure, but the alternate was not posting at all. I had just finished my earlier post.
I didn't like Tubba's vote because it didn't seem like it was trying to view things from LW's eyes; it was more seeing LW doing something strange and voting him for it.
It's more that I know I won't be able to keep up... which makes me feel kinda poopy.
You aren't the only one to bring up TMI, but I still don't quite get this. I gave a read and explained myself later... this is a very common thing to happen in a game of mafia. If my reasoning that I gave later doesn't make sense in the context that it was originally given, sure, that would be bad. Nobody seems to think that, just that I didn't explain it upfront.
TBH I agree with this. Too many variables to figure that kinda stuff out right now.
I'm going to respond to everything before getting to this, but the main thing weird about my wagon is that it's a lot of just tacit approval, rather strong reads that I am scum.
Sorry, wasn't my intention, I was off on plenty of stuff that game.
Still gonna wait a bit before I decide how I feel about ITF, though at this point I might as well re-evaluate all of my reads.
I don't really understand the "So if he's not feeling good about Tubba or bad about me, how did that progression happen?" I don't know what progression you're talking about -- me feeling worse about you? Or worse about Tubba? Because I don't feel worse about you, and Tubba is kind of a meh shrug loltom vote.
Question: (and if the mod thinks this is out of bounds, I apologize) Do you have something going on irl which is keeping you busy/distracted from keeping up with this game?
Unvote
guys idk how to feel about this and I haven’t even read ITF’s reply
ITF should not answer this question in-game. Players should contact me privately if they feel they cannot keep up with the game for any reason.
If you have simple questions about this policy feel free to reach out to me privately. If you want to hold a debate on it please hold off until the game is over.
Thanks!
(No hard feelings )
feels kinda like a partnery interaction but I am not going to bother with that for now
ITF's post is fine probably, his explanation for his thoughts on ZDS feel a lot better now, and I can stand by the thoughts
vote: Axelrod
Maybe I will finally focus on this game tomorrow since its my first day off, and I can actually get a good nights sleep
and I am happy with this vote, I feel like his posts are a bit disingenuous despite the actual content
my thoughts on Rodemy is that it feels like a chainsaw, I don't like it
if ITF was to flip wolf, I'd drop this thought
back to ff7
Ya I am still at, "Jackrito isn't a day 1 lynch, in almost all cases"
As for FF7, I've spent the last couple hours watching playthroughs and plot explanations and reading the wiki because I know I'll never play it but I still want to know everything about it.
Excellent "outside" simulator
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I feel like i keep bringing up jack even though im not scumreading him that strongly.
Just the bottom of a pile of tubba/shadow/m+7/grape/last that can vaguely die
Umami
Rhand
ZDS/ITF
GJ/rod
Axel/kj
Vaimes/last/grape
m7/shadow
Tubba
Jack
I thought we talked about that color choice
plz
So, given that you seem to agree with the conclusion - what exactly are you calling "bad" here, LW? You don't like the way I unvoted?
Spin me a hypothetical: How might I have unvoted that would not have seemed "bad" to you?