In a theoretical (not this one) world, Last doesn’t Vote Umami here, because she just proved her power to him. Last still scum.
Yeah, I just can't see getting called out for targeting Sloth, insisting repeatedly that you're VT after being caught and that you didn't target anyone, going away for a while, and coming back like I'm actually rolecop or whatever and umami must be scum since she targeted 2/3 VT while I targeted 3/3 VT
Especially since I didn’t claim a target ahead of time. Why risk losing your kill and dying anyway.
Actually I have a story about that. In Haiku Mafia, I correctly roleblocked the scum that was going to perform the kill, but he forgot to submit a kill. Got scum out of that and a neat story. Of all the times I roll blocker/jailer, it shocks me still that scum don’t do literally everything in their power to stop me. I mean, maybe they did, and just failed at it, but yeah, redirecting me to GJ and killing me seems the easiest option they didn’t take.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Umami town tracker
Outing scum last
Clearing sloth
Already down to 4
ZDS was the n1 kill
Theres not room for him AND johnny to be wolves, so either tubba performed the kill on him or johnny is the 4th and it doesnt matter
3
Vaimes didnt act n1 per umami. Not a huge point in his favor but not nothing
I dont recall anything else mechanical right now
But scum dont have to have made a baffling decision for him to be town...
2
Jack: pardoned by dawn. I guess it wouldnt be baffling. Just a really silly wifom play... that really should have killed her yesterday (reminds me, @killjoy i came to the conclusion overnight i wouldnt have been happy with any choice you made that wasnt iack. I see that you took into account the track results and didnt pick right but it was a small pool. I came to the conclusion you had to hit dawn but only because you couldnt choose jack who by far felt most likely in thst roleblocker poe to me)
Johnny: if hes town the mafia team has just made really awful night actions...
But
I think we actually do know that to be the case regardless of johnnys alignment (if shadow is town)
They did presumably try to kill him n2 and didnt account for axel. Nothing awful there.
But just... letting him (and the tracker) be last night to redirect the watcher seems unbelievable
And yet
Shadow and umami acted uninterrupted last night
How is that a plan?
Maybe i dont have a theory
Maybe its just lolwolves and you cant logic this
If ***** is correct theres 2 outed wolves and a poe of 3 for the last one
At 11 alive we can lynch... all of them
Idk i think my theory was gonna be that it has to be gj
But then...
Do they not have a roleblocker/redirect?
How come they cant get any kills through
JK/tracker/bodyguard/desperado/judge
Vs
Governor/<joat with a neighborizer>/<something you target a Vt with>/<tubba was a goon most of the time>
vote: Umami
w/e, I thought about it, and I can see any non-bastardy reason for him getting the info he got
That do not come from the mentality of a caught town role cop at all. Especially the vote. At that point you stop trying to throw shade or at least hint that you know what happened but it's not what we think.
Also you definitely don't vote Umami and insinuate she's definitely scum. Not even sure why the word "bastard" is there but feel free to talk on that.
The fact that Tom is not commenting at all on your claim on him (beyond lolcats) or trying to save you can mean a great number of things, but the only one I'll comment on is that it seems to confirm scumminess from you.
Also your targets were all vanilla, and I get the reasons behind them in a vacuum, but KJ/Phraze? Umami? Freakin' GJ? Those were all higher priorities, and you did not do that.
Also three investigative roles for Town?
Insane.
Props for trying to capitalize on my Role Cop paranoia though.
I need to rethink my townread on Sloth if Wisp flips town here because this is a insane game.
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How are these connected?
Because only possible explanation for LW being town is that there is some crazy role where someone gets to frame LW for targeting you. I have no idea if that role exists but if it did I would hope it had a limitation like you can only frame someone for acting on you plus a benefit like you're immune to the tracker since Tubba wasn't immune to tracker or watcher
I don't think I've ever heard of such a role but I'm only marginally more experienced than you.
Although, that sounds too convoluted and tinfoily even by my standards lol.
Yeah, wouldn't go to world 2 unless both LW and DBS flip town. But if DBS flips town it means shadow was lying. Also, it's legit insane to redirect GJ to KJ instead of redirecting Shadow to GJ--like that's an insanely huge, game throwing error to make and I don't think anyone would do that so yeah if things don't flip as expected then that wasn't an error, it was strategic to an incredibly impressive level (like if Sloth is bad and they used their combined abilities to misdirect me regardless of whether or not I tracked GJ or LW and anticipated that if I tracked someone other than GJ it would be LW and not you) then they earned it. Like bravo, seriously, that's insane
Yeah, this I keep getting stuck on, on top of everything else that I've pointed out rubs me wrong on GJ.
Also his claim that if unimpended his Neighbor target would be tom?? Is this not striking anyone else as odd?
In my experience Neighborizers target potential scum to figure them out in a different platform.
Nah, a town PR doesn't completely contradict what is basically a guilty and then suddenly go "jk she was right I did visit Sloth." He probably claimed Role Cop because we think one should exist and no one else claimed it.
(1) Sloth, no matter what the game is, your logic continues to astound me.
(2) Even if I was a wolf, I am almost certainly what I claim. What would a rolecop do?
That said, I don't believe him either. The one little nag on me head is Tubba's role, but it wouldn't be the first red herring in the world.
(1) Thanks hon *kissyface*
(2) You mean like how you claimed you were watcher for all of D2-D3 and now you're stating that's a lie and that you're actually a JOAT?
You're correct, there's no reason for a supposed role cop should have checked on you. Doing so N2-N3 and reporting results here would have certainly not affected the gamestate in a significant way.
Did you catch my sarcasm? 'Cause I meant it.
Nah, a town PR doesn't completely contradict what is basically a guilty and then suddenly go "jk she was right I did visit Sloth." He probably claimed Role Cop because we think one should exist and no one else claimed it.
It WoUlD bE gAmE tHrOwIn
Also: Two kills have been stopped and Shadow is still alive. I think it's safe to say there has been some pretty bad play all around. Or that I should have been redirected night 2.
Nah, a town PR doesn't completely contradict what is basically a guilty and then suddenly go "jk she was right I did visit Sloth." He probably claimed Role Cop because we think one should exist and no one else claimed it.
I mean. Yes. But what's with that "nah"? No one is arguing against that lol.
If Roleblocker/Redirector/JOAT/Combo, GJ is cleared.
If not, GJ starts looking worse.
We lynch DBS toMorrow. We spend the Day assuming GJ is conf!Town and look at the last scum in the remainder.
If DBS flips red with a supremely overpowered role of gov+rb+rd, GJ is once again cleared.
If DBS flips town, both KJ and Shadow look bad...but I just don't believe that world could be possible here, especially not for Shadow.
D6 we lynch either GJ or another player if they seem better for the last scum. At this point, assuming a string of red flips, we're in a place we can afford a ML, I think.
Im the town role cop btw
Tom - Vanilla
Jack - Vanilla
Sloth - Vanilla
"insert upside-down smiley face"
Ok then lets pretend that this was real for a second, explain why those 3. Also if you know I'm vanilla and based off the town setup you do not lynch me yesterday because scum having a vanilla and Tubba role is insane. So this means you just sat by and let me get mislynched. Even more so when ZDS said I was lying about my role. You also don't risk being hammered today if a rolecop unless this was some sort of bait to see who votes you. We also have your thing yesterday when you thought KJ killed you that is another point when you claim that you are rolecop to give out info and save yourself.
All of the above makes no sense if you are rolecop so no you die here.
I need to rethink my townread on Sloth if Wisp flips town here because this is a insane game.
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How are these connected?
I feel only you would create this much chaos. I would still go to Vaimes first well actually it should be DBS. I said yesterday if Phraze is scum doing this save thing I can see you as teammate, the only issue is you really wanted her dead in twlight.
Lol dude.
If it was me creating this chaos, scum would be in a much better place in the gamestate. Right now they look to be totally screwed.
Hm.
Jack, let's talk for a sec: You seem to have been very impressed/affected (or are acting like you are) by the chaos I manufactured in Seinen.
Would this be a strategy you would try to emulate as scum?
The more I think about it, I feel like Jack is likely. The defeated scum claim into “no buddy, I can save you, go say it was a gambit” feels like what happened. I want to look at last’s reaction to it, cause it was commented on at the time.
If Roleblocker/Redirector/JOAT/Combo, GJ is cleared.
If not, GJ starts looking worse.
We lynch DBS toMorrow. We spend the Day assuming GJ is conf!Town and look at the last scum in the remainder.
If DBS flips red with a supremely overpowered role of gov+rb+rd, GJ is once again cleared.
If DBS flips town, both KJ and Shadow look bad...but I just don't believe that world could be possible here, especially not for Shadow.
D6 we lynch either GJ or another player if they seem better for the last scum. At this point, assuming a string of red flips, we're in a place we can afford a ML, I think.
Thoughts?
well first thought is if last flips like that the 4th is always gj/umami because umami saw him target you and gj claims targeted by redirector
If dawn flips redirector theres scum in gj/shadow because shadiw claims to have blocked her and johnny claims redirected
So i think you should probably scrap this and start over
If Roleblocker/Redirector/JOAT/Combo, GJ is cleared.
If not, GJ starts looking worse.
We lynch DBS toMorrow. We spend the Day assuming GJ is conf!Town and look at the last scum in the remainder.
If DBS flips red with a supremely overpowered role of gov+rb+rd, GJ is once again cleared.
If DBS flips town, both KJ and Shadow look bad...but I just don't believe that world could be possible here, especially not for Shadow.
D6 we lynch either GJ or another player if they seem better for the last scum. At this point, assuming a string of red flips, we're in a place we can afford a ML, I think.
I need to rethink my townread on Sloth if Wisp flips town here because this is a insane game.
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How are these connected?
I feel only you would create this much chaos. I would still go to Vaimes first well actually it should be DBS. I said yesterday if Phraze is scum doing this save thing I can see you as teammate, the only issue is you really wanted her dead in twlight.
Lol dude.
If it was me creating this chaos, scum would be in a much better place in the gamestate. Right now they look to be totally screwed.
Hm.
Jack, let's talk for a sec: You seem to have been very impressed/affected (or are acting like you are) by the chaos I manufactured in Seinen.
Would this be a strategy you would try to emulate as scum?
No because I still think it was insane and should not of worked, I play things risky but try to keep it in my control what you did never felt in control.
The more I think about it, I feel like Jack is likely. The defeated scum claim into “no buddy, I can save you, go say it was a gambit” feels like what happened. I want to look at last’s reaction to it, cause it was commented on at the time.
why do i do a gambit and then point out my teammates for having a bad reaction to it. get saved then spend twlight asking DBS get shot. I would be gamehrowing and actively hate team
The more I think about it, I feel like Jack is likely. The defeated scum claim into “no buddy, I can save you, go say it was a gambit” feels like what happened. I want to look at last’s reaction to it, cause it was commented on at the time.
no, MC.
Actually the game Jack and I are discussing.
Again, why?
If Roleblocker/Redirector/JOAT/Combo, GJ is cleared.
If not, GJ starts looking worse.
We lynch DBS toMorrow. We spend the Day assuming GJ is conf!Town and look at the last scum in the remainder.
If DBS flips red with a supremely overpowered role of gov+rb+rd, GJ is once again cleared.
If DBS flips town, both KJ and Shadow look bad...but I just don't believe that world could be possible here, especially not for Shadow.
D6 we lynch either GJ or another player if they seem better for the last scum. At this point, assuming a string of red flips, we're in a place we can afford a ML, I think.
Thoughts?
well first thought is if last flips like that the 4th is always gj/umami because umami saw him target you and gj claims targeted by redirector
If dawn flips redirector theres scum in gj/shadow because shadiw claims to have blocked her and johnny claims redirected
So i think you should probably scrap this and start over
Ugh.
Yeah, no recovery. I'm in a rush and didn't think this one through.
Let me think about it.
Ok ill be right with you this feels solvable.
Wait, are you still here for one more question?
Yeah, I just can't see getting called out for targeting Sloth, insisting repeatedly that you're VT after being caught and that you didn't target anyone, going away for a while, and coming back like I'm actually rolecop or whatever and umami must be scum since she targeted 2/3 VT while I targeted 3/3 VT
I forgot to unvote
unvote
Good night
Actually I have a story about that. In Haiku Mafia, I correctly roleblocked the scum that was going to perform the kill, but he forgot to submit a kill. Got scum out of that and a neat story. Of all the times I roll blocker/jailer, it shocks me still that scum don’t do literally everything in their power to stop me. I mean, maybe they did, and just failed at it, but yeah, redirecting me to GJ and killing me seems the easiest option they didn’t take.
11 alive
Im town
Shadow town jk
Outing scum dawning
Clearing kj
Umami town tracker
Outing scum last
Clearing sloth
Already down to 4
ZDS was the n1 kill
Theres not room for him AND johnny to be wolves, so either tubba performed the kill on him or johnny is the 4th and it doesnt matter
3
Vaimes didnt act n1 per umami. Not a huge point in his favor but not nothing
I dont recall anything else mechanical right now
But scum dont have to have made a baffling decision for him to be town...
2
Jack: pardoned by dawn. I guess it wouldnt be baffling. Just a really silly wifom play... that really should have killed her yesterday (reminds me, @killjoy i came to the conclusion overnight i wouldnt have been happy with any choice you made that wasnt iack. I see that you took into account the track results and didnt pick right but it was a small pool. I came to the conclusion you had to hit dawn but only because you couldnt choose jack who by far felt most likely in thst roleblocker poe to me)
Johnny: if hes town the mafia team has just made really awful night actions...
But
I think we actually do know that to be the case regardless of johnnys alignment (if shadow is town)
They did presumably try to kill him n2 and didnt account for axel. Nothing awful there.
But just... letting him (and the tracker) be last night to redirect the watcher seems unbelievable
And yet
Shadow and umami acted uninterrupted last night
How is that a plan?
Maybe i dont have a theory
Maybe its just lolwolves and you cant logic this
If ***** is correct theres 2 outed wolves and a poe of 3 for the last one
At 11 alive we can lynch... all of them
But then...
Do they not have a roleblocker/redirect?
How come they cant get any kills through
JK/tracker/bodyguard/desperado/judge
Vs
Governor/<joat with a neighborizer>/<something you target a Vt with>/<tubba was a goon most of the time>
Meh
It's almost funny if we weren't pretty damn close to winning.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I would hesitate a bit more if not for these:
That do not come from the mentality of a caught town role cop at all. Especially the vote. At that point you stop trying to throw shade or at least hint that you know what happened but it's not what we think.
Also you definitely don't vote Umami and insinuate she's definitely scum. Not even sure why the word "bastard" is there but feel free to talk on that.
The fact that Tom is not commenting at all on your claim on him (beyond lolcats) or trying to save you can mean a great number of things, but the only one I'll comment on is that it seems to confirm scumminess from you.
Also your targets were all vanilla, and I get the reasons behind them in a vacuum, but KJ/Phraze? Umami? Freakin' GJ? Those were all higher priorities, and you did not do that.
Also three investigative roles for Town?
Insane.
Props for trying to capitalize on my Role Cop paranoia though.
Even if I was a wolf, I am almost certainly what I claim. What would a rolecop do?
That said, I don't believe him either. The one little nag on me head is Tubba's role, but it wouldn't be the first red herring in the world.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Although, that sounds too convoluted and tinfoily even by my standards lol.
Yeah, this I keep getting stuck on, on top of everything else that I've pointed out rubs me wrong on GJ.
Also his claim that if unimpended his Neighbor target would be tom?? Is this not striking anyone else as odd?
In my experience Neighborizers target potential scum to figure them out in a different platform.
(2) You mean like how you claimed you were watcher for all of D2-D3 and now you're stating that's a lie and that you're actually a JOAT?
You're correct, there's no reason for a supposed role cop should have checked on you. Doing so N2-N3 and reporting results here would have certainly not affected the gamestate in a significant way.
Did you catch my sarcasm? 'Cause I meant it.
It WoUlD bE gAmE tHrOwIn
Also: Two kills have been stopped and Shadow is still alive. I think it's safe to say there has been some pretty bad play all around. Or that I should have been redirected night 2.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
If not, GJ starts looking worse.
If DBS flips town, both KJ and Shadow look bad...but I just don't believe that world could be possible here, especially not for Shadow.
Ok then lets pretend that this was real for a second, explain why those 3. Also if you know I'm vanilla and based off the town setup you do not lynch me yesterday because scum having a vanilla and Tubba role is insane. So this means you just sat by and let me get mislynched. Even more so when ZDS said I was lying about my role. You also don't risk being hammered today if a rolecop unless this was some sort of bait to see who votes you. We also have your thing yesterday when you thought KJ killed you that is another point when you claim that you are rolecop to give out info and save yourself.
All of the above makes no sense if you are rolecop so no you die here.
If it was me creating this chaos, scum would be in a much better place in the gamestate. Right now they look to be totally screwed.
Hm.
Jack, let's talk for a sec: You seem to have been very impressed/affected (or are acting like you are) by the chaos I manufactured in Seinen.
Would this be a strategy you would try to emulate as scum?
The more I think about it, I feel like Jack is likely. The defeated scum claim into “no buddy, I can save you, go say it was a gambit” feels like what happened. I want to look at last’s reaction to it, cause it was commented on at the time.
If dawn flips redirector theres scum in gj/shadow because shadiw claims to have blocked her and johnny claims redirected
So i think you should probably scrap this and start over
lol
The GJ way path to no lynching:
No because I still think it was insane and should not of worked, I play things risky but try to keep it in my control what you did never felt in control.
Lets see how he recovers
why do i do a gambit and then point out my teammates for having a bad reaction to it. get saved then spend twlight asking DBS get shot. I would be gamehrowing and actively hate team
Actually the game Jack and I are discussing.
Again, why?
Yeah, no recovery. I'm in a rush and didn't think this one through.
Let me think about it.
at least I had fun
So much for that no self vote, if you are role cop your play here makes no sense to me.
My play this game wasn't the best
I can understand the first part that is how I felt day three.
Was that a hammer?
Also, crazy fun theory time, last is a scum arsonist, and town is powerful because scum can kill us all in one fell swoop.
That would be super trolly with Tubba's role though.
I'm just happy I don't have to fight for my life anymore.