Same theory I put out yesterday they did not think KJ could use role if stopped the lynch, and wanting to get a free night kill in and then waste the next day on a mislynch on me. If I'm scum with DBS I just take the L it buries both of us in most worlds and I also don't spend half of twlight telling KJ to kill her. THis is all wifom though to most people.
It's a one-shot with no "can't use during lylo" limiters.
Yeah I know that not sure what your point is.
It was also publicly outed by the mod upon use.
I'm saying that there are much better ways to use the ability as scum than to save town!you and force a NL. Could have been saved for later.
...meh, might just go to bed. Too much to think about.
Same theory I put out yesterday they did not think KJ could use role if stopped the lynch, and wanting to get a free night kill in and then waste the next day on a mislynch on me. If I'm scum with DBS I just take the L it buries both of us in most worlds and I also don't spend half of twlight telling KJ to kill her. THis is all wifom though to most people.
It's a one-shot with no "can't use during lylo" limiters.
Yeah I know that not sure what your point is.
It was also publicly outed by the mod upon use.
I'm saying that there are much better ways to use the ability as scum than to save town!you and force a NL. Could have been saved for later.
...meh, might just go to bed. Too much to think about.
Hey I know that, a better use is also not using it on the scum teammate who is going to get lynched anyway, like I know what this scum team are doing with how bad things are for them I would not want to stay alive if one of them .
Dead town: ITF, Axel, Rhand, Rodemy (sorry)
Town: Tom
Almost 100% town: Shadow, ZDS, Sloth
More likely town than not but still possible: KJ
Possible RB/Scum JOAT: Jack, GJ, Vaimes (less likely but could be immune to me, confirmed w/ mod that Tubba wasn’t immune to me)
Scum: LW (lied about VT role, visited Sloth), DBS (no night kill when Shadow blocked last night)
Dead scum: Tubba
Hm. Btw, why are we completely disregarding the possibility that Shadow protected Phraze from the kill, instead of stopped her?
Just remembered he's JK, not just doc.
Hm. Btw, why are we completely disregarding the possibility that Shadow protected Phraze from the kill, instead of stopped her?
Just remembered he's JK, not just doc.
I mean we could if they was not like 4 people who are town cleared atm. Who are better kills.
If both GJ and I are town, why wouldn't they redirect shadows JK/RB ability to one of us to block our power while incapacitating and even killing Shadow? They could have redirected shadows ability to GJ blocking GJ while also protecting, making my (or at least what they assumed I would do) watch of GJ useless while having the chance to kill shadow without fear of getting caught
I wrote an explanation for why I didn't think targeting GJ would be helpful/my approach to GJ yest. This assumed he was the watcher like he claimed:
GJ watches/kills Shadow (all in one); if he knows that I am going to watch him, they either have to RB me in which case he can’t claim that he was blocked and must tell us who “shot shadow” (self resolving) or they have to RB him. If they know I’m watching him, then they need to actually block him and someone else has to take the shot or he has to not use watcher/shooter ability and someone else has to take the shot. This would require GJ not to use any ability and for RB not to use any ability either which would then risk shadow choosing the right scum to block. Alternatively, could have the RB target and kill shadow to definitely kill, have GJ do nothing so he can still claim to be RBed, and assume I’m tracking GJ.
Truly you have a dizzying intellect.
You left D3 stating that you would watch GJ N3, but changed your mind on watching him because of the reasons stated above?
I don't understand, what if they just RB'd you anyway? Wouldn't change anything regardless of your target. Am I not following?
Also, why in the world would scum use their redirect ability on GJ when they could use it on Shadow and guarantee that he couldn't block their shot?
well because they don't want watcher to see who they kill again more. They thought Shadow would not pick one of them, why they pick DBS to do it though I have no idea because she was a pretty big suspect still. Only way you pick her is if scum team is me Wisp and her. At that point though we should just quit as a team because we are ruined in POE
Props Umami, that’s basically the same wifom I used day 1 to not have to target GJ or ZDS.
Also, by lynching Last first, we can see what he targeted Sloth with.
His is great. I think last absolutely needs lynched today.
And Sloth putting DBS to L-1 kinda makes him look bad.
Hey I know that, a better use is also not using it on the scum teammate who is going to get lynched anyway, like I know what this scum team are doing with how bad things are for them I would not want to stay alive if one of them .
No Lylo limiter. Use it on scummate to force an NL on Lylo, win the game.
I feel like I'm missing something.
I wrote an explanation for why I didn't think targeting GJ would be helpful/my approach to GJ yest. This assumed he was the watcher like he claimed:
GJ watches/kills Shadow (all in one); if he knows that I am going to watch him, they either have to RB me in which case he can’t claim that he was blocked and must tell us who “shot shadow” (self resolving) or they have to RB him. If they know I’m watching him, then they need to actually block him and someone else has to take the shot or he has to not use watcher/shooter ability and someone else has to take the shot. This would require GJ not to use any ability and for RB not to use any ability either which would then risk shadow choosing the right scum to block. Alternatively, could have the RB target and kill shadow to definitely kill, have GJ do nothing so he can still claim to be RBed, and assume I’m tracking GJ.
Truly you have a dizzying intellect.
You left D3 stating that you would watch GJ N3, but changed your mind on watching him because of the reasons stated above?
I don't understand, what if they just RB'd you anyway? Wouldn't change anything regardless of your target. Am I not following?
It may not make sense to you and you might think it's stupid, but it worked. I never changed my mind. I never intended to watch him. I just wanted scum to think I was watching him.
seriously tell me what ability I use on town!sloth here if I am a wolf
If anything you should be doing the kill tbh, scum would need you to have some god power to compete with this game state, because you would be either the RB who is never send to a VT in this setup or you are the unknown and other scum is a JOAT who was RB and redirect. If you are the not known you never go to Sloth here either tbh.
I wrote an explanation for why I didn't think targeting GJ would be helpful/my approach to GJ yest. This assumed he was the watcher like he claimed:
GJ watches/kills Shadow (all in one); if he knows that I am going to watch him, they either have to RB me in which case he can’t claim that he was blocked and must tell us who “shot shadow” (self resolving) or they have to RB him. If they know I’m watching him, then they need to actually block him and someone else has to take the shot or he has to not use watcher/shooter ability and someone else has to take the shot. This would require GJ not to use any ability and for RB not to use any ability either which would then risk shadow choosing the right scum to block. Alternatively, could have the RB target and kill shadow to definitely kill, have GJ do nothing so he can still claim to be RBed, and assume I’m tracking GJ.
Truly you have a dizzying intellect.
You left D3 stating that you would watch GJ N3, but changed your mind on watching him because of the reasons stated above?
I don't understand, what if they just RB'd you anyway? Wouldn't change anything regardless of your target. Am I not following?
It may not make sense to you and you might think it's stupid, but it worked. I never changed my mind. I never intended to watch him. I just wanted scum to think I was watching him.
Then I would know there was an RB and my choice wouldn't matter. If I wasn't RBed it would be with scum anticipating I was watching GJ so even if GJ was scum there play would account for me watching him... What's confusing?
Hey I know that, a better use is also not using it on the scum teammate who is going to get lynched anyway, like I know what this scum team are doing with how bad things are for them I would not want to stay alive if one of them .
No Lylo limiter. Use it on scummate to force an NL on Lylo, win the game.
I feel like I'm missing something.
Well yeah that also which makes it hard for me to see her as scum in any world, but this game is a mess tbh so I don't know any more I will just follow the nonsense and see what happens.
Also, why in the world would scum use their redirect ability on GJ when they could use it on Shadow and guarantee that he couldn't block their shot?
well because they don't want watcher to see who they kill again more. They thought Shadow would not pick one of them, why they pick DBS to do it though I have no idea because she was a pretty big suspect still. Only way you pick her is if scum team is me Wisp and her. At that point though we should just quit as a team because we are ruined in POE
Redirecting shadows ability to GJ would have made GJ incapable of watching their kill...
I wrote an explanation for why I didn't think targeting GJ would be helpful/my approach to GJ yest. This assumed he was the watcher like he claimed:
GJ watches/kills Shadow (all in one); if he knows that I am going to watch him, they either have to RB me in which case he can’t claim that he was blocked and must tell us who “shot shadow” (self resolving) or they have to RB him. If they know I’m watching him, then they need to actually block him and someone else has to take the shot or he has to not use watcher/shooter ability and someone else has to take the shot. This would require GJ not to use any ability and for RB not to use any ability either which would then risk shadow choosing the right scum to block. Alternatively, could have the RB target and kill shadow to definitely kill, have GJ do nothing so he can still claim to be RBed, and assume I’m tracking GJ.
Truly you have a dizzying intellect.
You left D3 stating that you would watch GJ N3, but changed your mind on watching him because of the reasons stated above?
I don't understand, what if they just RB'd you anyway? Wouldn't change anything regardless of your target. Am I not following?
It may not make sense to you and you might think it's stupid, but it worked. I never changed my mind. I never intended to watch him. I just wanted scum to think I was watching him.
I don't think it's stupid, I just don't follow: What if you had been RB'd?
They target someone and that person shows up as guilty to other info roles. Kind of like assigning a Miller.
But could they show up as them targeting slothful specifically? That seems unlikely for a third party to be able say make it look like Whisp is targeting Sloth. Is there a rebound? Like if sloth targets LW make it look like LW is targeting them? Still seems unlikely given that I watched sloth and they did nothing N2
I'm saying that there are much better ways to use the ability as scum than to save town!you and force a NL. Could have been saved for later.
...meh, might just go to bed. Too much to think about.
Hey I know that, a better use is also not using it on the scum teammate who is going to get lynched anyway, like I know what this scum team are doing with how bad things are for them I would not want to stay alive if one of them .
Town: Tom
Almost 100% town: Shadow, ZDS, Sloth
More likely town than not but still possible: KJ
Possible RB/Scum JOAT: Jack, GJ, Vaimes (less likely but could be immune to me, confirmed w/ mod that Tubba wasn’t immune to me)
Scum: LW (lied about VT role, visited Sloth), DBS (no night kill when Shadow blocked last night)
Dead scum: Tubba
Vote LW
all I can say is good luck with whatever the **** is happening this game
Just remembered he's JK, not just doc.
Screw it may as well just follow the mechs. I can't think of any way Wisp is town here unless Umani is lying so.
@GJ Tom? Your target was conf!town tom?
Why? What was your intent in neighborizing him?
I'm dying here, figure it out day 5 if you are in fact town
I mean we could if they was not like 4 people who are town cleared atm. Who are better kills.
You left D3 stating that you would watch GJ N3, but changed your mind on watching him because of the reasons stated above?
I don't understand, what if they just RB'd you anyway? Wouldn't change anything regardless of your target. Am I not following?
well because they don't want watcher to see who they kill again more. They thought Shadow would not pick one of them, why they pick DBS to do it though I have no idea because she was a pretty big suspect still. Only way you pick her is if scum team is me Wisp and her. At that point though we should just quit as a team because we are ruined in POE
Vote Darling Last
Also...did not even know I put them at l-1.
I feel like I'm missing something.
It may not make sense to you and you might think it's stupid, but it worked. I never changed my mind. I never intended to watch him. I just wanted scum to think I was watching him.
If anything you should be doing the kill tbh, scum would need you to have some god power to compete with this game state, because you would be either the RB who is never send to a VT in this setup or you are the unknown and other scum is a JOAT who was RB and redirect. If you are the not known you never go to Sloth here either tbh.
Then I would know there was an RB and my choice wouldn't matter. If I wasn't RBed it would be with scum anticipating I was watching GJ so even if GJ was scum there play would account for me watching him... What's confusing?
Well yeah that also which makes it hard for me to see her as scum in any world, but this game is a mess tbh so I don't know any more I will just follow the nonsense and see what happens.
"Whispy visited someone."
"No I didn't."
Dichotomies are a *****, unless there's a Framer, which there isn't.
Redirecting shadows ability to GJ would have made GJ incapable of watching their kill...
What's a framer? How does it work?
He claimed VT so we are in a world of issues lol.
But could they show up as them targeting slothful specifically? That seems unlikely for a third party to be able say make it look like Whisp is targeting Sloth. Is there a rebound? Like if sloth targets LW make it look like LW is targeting them? Still seems unlikely given that I watched sloth and they did nothing N2
...Kay.