So here was the analysis I had of Tubba given voting.
There’s probably 1-2 scum in
ZDS
Tom
Johnny
Rod
Vaimes Killjoy.
And 1-2 in
Rhand Shadow
GrapeDBS
Sloth
Jack ITF
Axel
Perhaps 0-1 in
Umami/Last
If I trust that Johnny+Shadow aren't doing crazy wolf things with that watch claim, then this is accurate.
I'll ISO Vaimes and Rod due to there likely being 1 in those 2. I'll give DBS some slack for now to get into the game and look into Jack and Sloth after that. Hopefully DBS is caught up by then.
do you actually have no reads except dividing people up by how tubba read them? Are you doing a thing?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Like, I thought Grape's scumraed of me didn't feel very genuine, but that's really the only thing that stuck out to me from his posts before replacement.
DBS's reads in her only post are easy. I specifically don't like how I'm town for "being like ZE"
Her reads rn are probably as ill defined as mine are though, so I'm giving her more time.
Vaimes asked a lot of decent questions in the early game, but I haven't really followed as much as I would have liked since then so most of his posts are not in any proper context.
Sloth started out doing nothing, which was a thing, but then he did stuff and I havcen't put those in context with that yet so no read there.
Jack was easy in the last game, not that easy this game but that doesn't mean anything specific... but now that there's a decent amount of clears we can work with I can put those in context as well.
It's just a lot of stuff I haven't done yet. I'm working on it now. It'll take a bit.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Wow actually that doesn't leave that many people, hang on. New list.
Not a witch:
Vaimes
0-1 witches:
Grape, Jack, Umami, Last
0-2 witches? I dunno, I want this grouping to be separate:
tom, GJ, KJ
1-2 witches:
ZDS, Axel, M+, ITF
1-3 witches:
Rhand, tubba, shadow, Rod
Kind of a more accurate rep of my reads/general thread feelings. At this point in time several slots ended up near the bottom by virtue of not having much thread presence so I expect this'll be different a week from now.
Hey Vaimes, is this spoiler still your position?
Can you remind me why everyone was where they are here?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Not Voting - 4 (Grapefruit21, Gentleman Johnny, Jackrito, Vaimes)
still like my town read on Rodemy so
not really interested in lynching DBS while they are trying to get into the game
Killjoy can be mafia, but I certainly dont feel like he made up his claim, so he's not the roleblocker?
neither Jack or Sloth are self-preserving at this point
and wolf!Jack could easily BS a reason to vote Sloth here if we are in w/t worlds
Like I dont necessarily believe this is a T/T world, but a w/t world feels unlikely given the wagon compositions
unless the wolves are just lurking/waiting it out
meh
@killjoy
how exactly did you come up with those groupings?
Mainly because I'm thinking and letting Sloth post I'm very split if I think he is scum or not since he has done nothing amazing but I just don't feel scum intent in his recent posts. I feel his whole putting suspicison back on those partly confirmed because of his scum meta that I recently learned to create chaos, which felt like the intent of that post. I hate how hes treating my slot this game as well because he can easily push me with no mercy,I feel like he is trying to work me out which sounds good but I worry that he is setting me up if he flips red while also taking adv of my nature where I like people who defend me when heavily attacked. The fact he is also pushing Umani concerns me for different reasons.
As I said eariler today if it was not Sloth I would prefer Vaimes or KJ. I likely end back up on Sloth though for self prez. I hate playing that way though.
I mean if you are town, its overall always the correct option
especially with the PoE already being really small?
and I would rather see bigger trains then what we have now
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Ok Finished my Iso of KJ I changed my mind he is town. Either that or he is an real hard busser this is based off a world where Sloth flips scum if that does not happen he has a decent chance of being scum again.
I see him as likely teammates with Umani and Vaimes most. I say this because in my Iso he never pushes either of them at all, but constantly town reads them. He has some light suspicions of Tubba early but never build on it, until the claims. I overall liked his posts though it felt like a town trying to work the game out and his reads developed in a consitant way well apart from some parts that I have issue with. His main push this entire game has being on Rhand and myself but seemed to have dropped the one on me based off the his ITF wagon review. If teammates with Sloth he could easily of pushed back onto me if wanted to, but based off is treatment of Sloth I can't see them as a team together he was pushing him from the very start. Same with Grape to a degree when Grape voted Tubba.
I can post the whole iso if anyone wants me to, but it is way longer then I wanted it to be and I feel a lot of it is wasteful.
I think that I need the Sloth lynch today not just for my own safety but a red flip on him clears KJ in my mind.
I just don't feel Sloth is scum here though. I don't see why scum Sloth is taking such a approuch to my slot where he won't vote me apart from to save himself, it could be reasons I said to Wisp, but I just don't see the gain I die anyway tomorrow no matter what happens or even today if he pushed it. I need to review him.
Actually he may be scum here his posts here are very similar to a game that just finished where he was scum. I feel the main difference this game though he has more original thoughts and not just voting for the hell of it like he was in his scum game. A case for this is the way he is reviewing people and actually making cases like his one on Umani he never even came close to stuff like that in the other game. His claim of VT is way more normal then what I would expect him to claim as scum also. The differences in site metas and day lengths make it hard to compare though
I actually feel like he is trying to work out the game in his way also. I'm still bothered by his Tubba vote though because he says that he sided with Shadow at the time it happened but he did not post anything about it.
I feel like the differences are too vast perhaps he adapated and this is him as scum still, but I'm really not seeing it apart from issues like the Tubba vote, but I feel like I have to stick with my vote on him because it affects my KJ read a lot and well you know saving myself.
finally doing my Killjoy review. They start off with a bit of early fluff, some light on topic stuff to do with Wisp, but felt like trolling. Next they start questioning Umani for their vote on Tom because he thought it was on Wisp. Follows this by asking Umani questions about their mafia history. 122 is their first real post on the overview of game, they start off by defending Wisp saying they think he is not being scummy and just being himself, next part is saying that Umani is fine but need more time. Ends the post saying they want to pressure me to see if I look town again which is ok based off last gamel They also question Vaimes on the Tom town read. Overall I think this post is fine perhaps a bit empty but it is still early game.
Asks Rhand to expand on their WIsp read, also they think that ZDS is normal and not scummy. Says that Wisp 134 which was a vote on Killjoy feels like natural progression my early thoughts are that KJ is really focused on Wisp not sure what to think on it but bothers me. That being said Wisp 134 bothers me becaus he says that he does not like KJ stances, but based off what I read KJ stances seem normal but lacking. Next Kj defends himself to ZDS scum reading him for being impressive . Says again they are changing their style from non stop questions to find scum, this game like prison they are changing approach to being less active and try to find town instead lets see if this carries on in his play. Talks a bit about ZDS meta which sounds real
Says towncore is Umani Wisp and Vaimes not shocked by this but need to see if he expands on why. carries on their focus on Umani asking about why she did 202 which was their big catchup that ended up with a vote on me. Asks a couple of questions next which he said he would not do anymore. Next main thing is he drops his vote on me because of lack of pressure, and goes to ITF for his Shadow vote and bad entrance. Says Umani is pure and like their response to 202 which imo was an softball question so could of being scum theatre if either flipped red. Also said Tubba is on radar but not focused on him. Brings up a reason early on Tubba for their vote and blurb in their opening post this is a good look with Tubba flip.
How Tubba pushs KJ for their stance on Rhand and how KJ pushed back in 530 this is another good look with Tubba flip, says Tom is town which is fine based off posts so far. When asked who he would kill D1 if ITF is town he says me and Rhand. I find this weird since he seemed to suspect Tubba based off previous posts and his only stance on me was to apply pressure, Rhand for calling him scum. Asks ITF who scum on their wagon are and then pushs them for their poor read list which I saw issue with also so this is decent easy to fake as scum though to make your vote look better. Follows this up by quizzing Shadow on his thoughts about me. also thoughts on the wagon on ITF yet again not really matching his playstyle change. Also talked about Shadown town read of him is weird as was Sloth's of him.
Next main thing is them backing up their Rhand scum read saying Rhand's scum read of him is shallow which seems like a big discredit then adds in why he is different this game because of work and style change. Says they still like their ITF vote because of how ITF responded to it. Gives Axel a town read for his iso on me because it fits how he thinks a town Axel would play.
says I don't sound as pure as last game which is fair but he also says that does not make me scum and wants to reread me this bothers me because eariler I was his first choice if ITF was town now hes not sure of me. Axel, Last, tom, Vaimes, Umami probably town he says not sure where town read on Vaimes is from unless I missed something others make sense based off what he said. 1171 takes offfense to how ZDS represented thier vote on ITF then asks some questions this comes off as overly defensive.
When Sloth asks him who possible partners were for ITF if he flipped red or green he says no one because needs to recheck wagon, yet again where did his read of me and Rhand go. Keeps saying that Tom can't be scum without Vaimes but not sure why also pushs Sloth for being different this game, points in his favor if Sloth is scum. Says Vaimes town read is from some early posts. 1472 is them reviewing Tom this feels like how a town would review someone imo.
His stance in the Jailor claims feels very neutrual and non commited at all talking more like it does not concern him and interested in the mechs of the situation rather then the actual people. 1482 he takes the stance on Tubba being more scum but he is more copying axel then anything. This did come after a string of posts where he was talking to himself about situation I guess this is towny not sure if this is a normal KJ thing. Anyway back to 1482 he says ZDS and GJ are clear, Tom goes down which I agree with based on his handling of the claims. He says Umani is town which he likes to keep putting out there in my view Umani posts in this are easy to do coming in late if scum, also that Rhand and sloth are scum yet again if Sloth is scum KJ put a lot of early shade on him which is good.
Questions Grape for how fast they are jumping on Tubba being scum this is another good look if Grape is scum in this because he shades him pretty badly here. 1736 is a decent view on the wagon of ITF. Skipped a lot because this went way too long. Anyway says that Umani is a more likely teammate for Tubba then Wisp off interactions which I agree with. Votes Rhand which is constitant with their early read on him and the wagon review on ITF.
2272 Scum are likely in Sloth/Wisp/Jack/Grape/ I guess Rod. really not sure why Umani is not in this but Wisp is based off eariler post. They is more but nothing really important.
I think you better post the isos because that looks like youre townreading sloth and kj mostly for not trying to kill you
My view on Sloth is effected by that an bit just iso him though and saw better reasons. The one on KJ not really, it is more how he has treated the other people in the POE and specially Sloth from the start, and Grape to a less degree. also how his view on you changed a lot during d2 which felt town to me. I still hate his claim and how he acted during it but I feel he is town unless he can hard bus which based off what you all say about his scum game I doubt. Or if the scum team is with Vaimes and Umani which we don't get today anyway because of how the current POE is. Add Wisp to that to a lesser degree also
Hey Vaimes, is this spoiler still your position?
Can you remind me why everyone was where they are here?
Nope. Lots of flips and pseudo-flips since then.
Can't really remind you because I don't recall myself. The bottom half of the list were non-townreads and players I thought could be snowing me. The only unclear players left in that grouping are Rod and Sloth, which is continuing the overall Vaimes Is Horrible trend. The list actually looks better if you flip it upside down, save Tubba. Big yikes.
@Sloth, when you subbed in, did you read the game from the start? Like every post or did you skim/skip some?
With regard to you mentioning my play in our technically ongoing game, resistance/avalon and mafia are very different games to me, something I've already talked about, so I think if you're expecting the exact same play style, you're going to have inaccurate reads. That's like saying Monopoly and Catan are the same. At least that's what it's like to me. Resistance is a game with zero special roles, known division of good/bad, and 7 people. I know how it works. This is a game with a ton of people, unknown number of bad guys, and an unknown set-up. It's utter chaos. I don't even know what the likely/possible roles are.
With regard to you perceiving me as being more aggressive or however you phrased it, I think I'm a little more tough on Tom because I get the sense that he's good-natured and doesn't take it too seriously. I just expect him to either be perfect or to be scum, so give him a hard time when he's not perfect/he's leading town/town wagons. @Tom, glad you seem to be reading my tone correctly. Sloth, you did a ton of quotes out of context, so since I'm assuming you weren't reading carefully, Vaimes or someone joked they had the memory of a goldfish, this game has a million posts and I forgot my vote on Jack before I switched to Tubba so I joked that I too have the memory of a goldfish. Despite Jack saying they had a "tunnel" on me initially, I don't think I was necessarily tunneling back or anything defensive. I think they just progressively did more and more sketchy things--I hate that martyrdom stuff when it's a tactic to not get lynched as opposed to ITF who was genuine and just accepting they were going to get lynched where Jack was not (something I've already said). Anyway, Jack has consistently tried to paint me as overly emotional so that hysterical comment was actually me sarcastically addressing how Jack was misrepresenting. Something they continue to do with terms like "meltdown" etc. Jack is working super hard to paint me a certain way and to take the most extreme stance and interpretation of everything I say. Easy way to try to push a mislynch. Harder for me to find potential town motivation for that move. Luckily, Tom seems to get it right (this one time and one thing).
Btw everyone, about the bet, sorry about the out of game consequence. I didn't read the rulebook so didn't know and didn't mean to cross any lines. I genuinely just thought it would be fun to go head to head on a bet with Tom. For me, bets aren't some serious, aggressive thing. They're fun ways of upping the stakes. Also, dude, not even confident sloth is town. He's a null read for me right now. I just think lynching outside of the ITF train when it's identical to the Sloth train and there are likely at least 2 scum onboard is suboptimal play.
And, since it's been brought up, I have a townlean on LW and think tubba was pushing town/town wagons. LW is someone I would come back to if we don't keep hitting scum.
Ok so Vaimes asked a bunch of good questions in the beginning, His positioning with the jailkeeper feels decent as well. Bussing would make sense, but with the addition of his earlier play, maybe not.
In the late game, the wind is kinda our of his sails, but in more of a boredom kinda way. I don't see evidence that it's connected to his alignment.
I'd put him as lean town. The apathy is throwing it off a bit due to the fact that the townie stuff isn't recent but I'd say that probably doesn't matter so much.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Jack doesn't feel Sloth is scum (2663) (well, he's hedging (2665)) and is only voting him for self-preservation (2657), but at the same time he's clearing KJ "based off a world where Sloth flips scum" (2661). What the heck?
Thumbs up to him for summarising his ISO (no sarcasm) because 2666 is 99% purely descriptive, 1% gut reads.
Viewing the game through the lens of me being town, I'd want to kill Whispy or Jack, with KJ being a pretty distant possibility depending on what further knowledge of the setup and flips reveal. Given tom said that Tubba's early Whispy posts didn't look bussy (which I'm pretty meh on, but tom loves being sheeped), that would make Jack's slot more likely to be a hit.
Umami gets some points for being generally towny in addition to having her vote on Tubba. Slim-to-none chance of her being a smooth deepwolf. Grape ~might look good for his Jack push? Haven't reread his early stuff. And Sloth's slot in the abstainers just looks ugly.
you'd think Vaimes would prioritise voting Jack, with Sloth as a possible back-up, but instead he repeatedly sticks his vote on Sloth. Unless he has an unspoken scumread on Sloth's recent strings of posts, how does that make sense?
Jack, Vaimes, I'm trying to escape my confirmation bias, stop being scummy and reaffirming it è_é
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Killjoy, why didn't you start your reviews with Jack and Sloth? Wouldn't that be more efficient?
Whispy, out of all the possible Jack-Sloth pairings, which one do you think is most likely? (ie w/w, t/t, w/t, t/w)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Mainly because I'm thinking and letting Sloth post I'm very split if I think he is scum or not since he has done nothing amazing but I just don't feel scum intent in his recent posts. I feel his whole putting suspicison back on those partly confirmed because of his scum meta that I recently learned to create chaos, which felt like the intent of that post. I hate how hes treating my slot this game as well because he can easily push me with no mercy,I feel like he is trying to work me out which sounds good but I worry that he is setting me up if he flips red while also taking adv of my nature where I like people who defend me when heavily attacked. The fact he is also pushing Umani concerns me for different reasons.
As I said eariler today if it was not Sloth I would prefer Vaimes or KJ. I likely end back up on Sloth though for self prez. I hate playing that way though.
so
Jack just cant feel the scum intent in sloths recent posts
Except the causing chaos stuff which feels (to jack) like the intent, which jack says is his scum meta
Also except sloths handling of jack, which jack thinks is either setting him up or pocketing him.
But he cant feel the scum intent
@jack also still waiting on examples of sloth working you out
Because pretty sure that hasnt happened
I'm trying to decide if it's meaningful. Jack doesn't seem noticeably stronger toDay than D1. The random announcement that he was going to tunnel Umami again was very underwhelming...
The lack of more day happening before GJ softed is frustrating because there is so little to analyze. Like I can dig a little into Axel actually trying to analyze Tubba's posts as a good look for him but there isn't much of that.
I think tom's stubborness here that we should solve this another day is probably townie (ignoring the paranoid part of me that thinks he's just trying to buy Tubba a day to fire a night action here).
Top of head reads:
Grape
ZDS/GJ
Umami/Shadow
Tom/Last
Axel
Rhand/KJ/Sloth/Rod
Vaimes
1. Grapefruit21 - JR Smith
2. ZeDorkSlipeur - Jordan on the Wizards
3. Gentleman Johnny - Draymond Green
4. Rhand - Damian Lillard? Paul George? Regular Season Shaq? Don't feel great about this one
5. Jackrito - Shaun Livingston
6. TubbaFett - Kendrick Perkins
7. shadowlancerx - Rudy Gobert?
8. tomsloger - I had Jimmy Butler but tom rightly pointed out the competitiveness is out of whack. Dr J maybe.
9. Vaimes - Dirk or Kevin Love depending on how strong a comp you want.
10. Lastwhisper - Rasheed Wallace
11. Umami - Ben Simmons
12. M plus 7 - Kyle Lowry Sloth - Pat Beverly
13. Rodemy - A better Jeff Green?
14. ITF - ??? Elgin Baylor?
15. Killjoy - Gordon Hayward
16. Axelrod - Kemba Walker?
Like, I thought Grape's scumraed of me didn't feel very genuine, but that's really the only thing that stuck out to me from his posts before replacement. DBS's reads in her only post are easy. I specifically don't like how I'm town for "being like ZE"
Her reads rn are probably as ill defined as mine are though, so I'm giving her more time.
Vaimes asked a lot of decent questions in the early game, but I haven't really followed as much as I would have liked since then so most of his posts are not in any proper context.
Sloth started out doing nothing, which was a thing, but then he did stuff and I havcen't put those in context with that yet so no read there.
Jack was easy in the last game, not that easy this game but that doesn't mean anything specific... but now that there's a decent amount of clears we can work with I can put those in context as well.
It's just a lot of stuff I haven't done yet. I'm working on it now. It'll take a bit.
Don't need to wait for me to catch up. I'm admittedly lazy when it comes to backreading, easier to read forward. Start of game is usually the clearest, so a bit of backreading should suffice for me.
As for why I mentioned you in ZE, I guess it's tone(?). I'm not good at tone reads, so hmmm.. Might be something else. Your posts from early on were looking into the intent behind the formation of each post.
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I would suggest asking me questions, rather than waiting for me to catch up. Part of the reason I didn't mind replacing in is because I rarely rely on backreading beyond what is necessary.
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My reads are pretty trash so I don’t care much which POE person we vote, since it’s everyone’s POE and not just mine. Hell, if killing me helps you more, go for it.
@Vaimes since when have you ever been remotely okay getting mislynched? Do you not usually get uppity and blustery when people try?
Oh I probably will, but right now no one is trying, save Rod. I’m just really not in a mafia mood and I hope that if I sulk enough, I can get over it sometime soon.
Yeah after rereading last night its not that he is trying to work me out it is more he has worked me out which is a big difference and more cause for concern for me since it is either tmi or he really knows me. I will post some quotes to show this.
whats unimpressive about mine? I didnt quote anything surely its "pending" until you see what im talking about and start comparing jack to last game
Just real quick: The quote doesn't have a whole lot of significance without context.
The rest of what you point out in #691 is valid, but without examples/quotes I can't really say you're correct, or if you're just interpreting things badly.
However, I admit it's hard to give examples of "all exposition no impact" or "not trying to get lynches."
I like your take on Jack more than Axel's game on ITF, as said, because if what you're saying is accurate regarding Jack's play, it deviates from prison enough that I can see it coming from scum.
All of this boils down to my needing to read the game to get clarity. ...but I'll do that later.
Kingdom Hearts 3 awaits.
This is the only time he ever doubted me in the entire game at the time it did not bother me since everyone else was doing it, His change in stance on me did thhough which is why I pushed him once he started town leaning me.
Jack's a townlean again. Just cause.
I've never had a scum!rhand, so I don't know what that looks like, but so far this seems like regular rhand so, okay with him around.
Shadow as scum would probably handle the FOS thrown his way with less overt annoyance, even if CFTWR, so townlean.
Dork's grey-fine. He's good at making "describing things that happened" sound like actual analysis when it's not, but I imagine he does that as town as well, and it's early still to have an opinion of it. Like usual, I don't agree with everything he says.
I'm looking forward to seeing what new and interesting feelings Rodemy can elicit on me this game.
Wanna see more of Tubba to do my own analysis and comparison(s).
I say now because I thought that you agreed with Tom's case on me, just checked and you said my play is different enough from prison to make me scum.
on Umani just going to copy what I said yesterday for now. Add in them not being around the EOD to that though as well and just being pretty passive imo.
I'm still sold on Umani I don't really care what others think they is scum intent in their posts at times for me. I don't like how she constantly trys to appear town and call themselves such this is a issue for me. I also feel they misrepresent facts a lot one that caught my eye is them saying their only serious vote was Tubba which is false since they voted me eariler and that was not RVS. I don't know if she forgot that or what but bothers me the Tubba vote also feels opportunistic to me and over the top in the approach.I just get a general nevrous tone from them when under pressure as well they is constant backtracking and feels like she just does what thinks will get her townread like I said earlier. Add this to a lack of real commitment on reads apart from calling tubba and me scum it feels like they are doing best to leave options open in the long run. Their 337 is the only post I really liked. I'm semi dropping this because you all see something I clearly do not here, but I stick by my view,
Pretty sure I said both cases were unimpressive.
Admittedly, I did say that Tom's case was valid if true, given what I remember of the way you play. There just wasn't a lot to see to back up his claims, and until I myself see the deviation, I'm okay with how I'm reading you.
Speaking of Tom's read, link me to your post where you cased Umami, and any other posts about that read you care to share.
If you feel so strongly about Umami, is other people townreading her really enough reason for (semi)dropping her and not try to convince others - specially me, the guy that just walked into the game?
Here he explains why I semi became a town lean because he says Tom's case on me is not backed up so either he is lying to keep me town for reasons I don't get but come from scum in most worlds. Or he really sees the town in me that a lot of you don't the first seems more likely.
Hey guess who just spent the last 36 hours catching up on the entire game and just now finally got done.
Vote: Killjoy
@Jack seriously stop posting. I get it. You're town. If I have to suffer through another essay-long ISO where you say nothing of importance but I still drudge through anyway on the off-chance you do, I will refuse to do so unless drunk.
This is him calling me town again but I feel this is more of a joke.
I would normally not take this stance on an confirmed town but past caring what others think. Espically when being called a liar off someone.
I don't believe scum!Jack has the moxie to stand on this hill and call out ZDS with this conviction.
This is based off of one game and just conversation with him on specs, so take that as you will, but unless <redacted> I'm cool with his vanilla claim and he's fine to me.
If I'm wrong: Hello, I'll be your Lagoon this game.
This is his last post on me where he doubles down on it, so based off all his posts talking about me they is no doubt in his mind I'm town. This is not him working me out like I said eariler this is insane to me how he can be this certain when so many of you doubt me. I don't know why he does this if scum apart from to set me up as a teammate but I also don't see the town motivation unless he just really wants to stick to his guns and is stubborn.
While reading him though something else bothered me his interactions with Rod, are so small and seem so weird compared to his with most other people in the game. They is no working him out just small game discussiom. They is very little talk about Grape apart from putting them in a POE with Umani Last and KJ. He has had some more recent focus on that slot so want to see where it goes. He has never gave a read on Rod though and never put him in possible scum teams, this stands out to me a lot. Compared to how much he talked about his read on me possible this is because Rod never a topic of discussion but still.
So high chance he is scum with Rod if anyone how they both are Pushing Umani at same time is also weird.
Gamestate is in a weirdly good spot, and this happened completely independent of me, which means I’m one of several who could be mafia. The townfirms are inclined to talk to each other more than they’d talk to us, which is logical and fair, but pretty off-putting nonetheless. Because even when you do talk to me/us, it’s with a really thick air of suspicion, or doubt, or condescension.
Our job was villagers in the lynch pool is to somehow claw our way out, but mafia are also going to be doing that. Everything posted as of recent is going to be laced with much more wine than usual because distancing had to happen super early, and right now it seems to me that getting out of the POE is gonna come down to a WIM competition, which I do not have and don’t really care to try and win for oog-ish reasons.
Hence, motivation is down in the dumps, and I’m fully aware it looks like salty mafia. I’d probably be posting even less as mafia to avoid spewing the villagers in the POE but don’t take that at face-value etc.
I’ll be honest, outside of your wagon position I don’t really think you’re a wolf, but being snowed makes me not want to trust my own reads so that’s fun.
im trying to decide if thinking this is towny or scummy
It might just be neither...
I do think gamestate looks better for town from a scum pov. Theyd presumably feel like both their kills got messed with and a partner got lynched
When its actually... idk not that great.
I know i have the worst pov for the events of today because i already knew i was town and strongly suspected rhand was even before claim. So i got almost literal nothing
But even without that i think axels successful bodyguarding is all thats keeping us from not being fairly far behind rn?
But specifically i know vaimes of either alignment isnt as mechanically minded and i guess could just think shrinking poe=good game state and not care about dead and outed PRs
And realistically our current win chances are probably not far from our pregame chances
The numbers are even: 12v4 > 9v3
Losing axel and rhand sucks but i suppose me and zds are pretty high quality clears.
Its pretty
So i guess im asking how positive the gamestate feels for everyone else
I suppose im glad jack abandoned it but the amount of time jack and sloth had completely made up townreads of eachother remains a data point.
Jack even saying the sentence about sloth trying to figure him out is ludicrous with what i know of sloths posting about him. And Jack saying he cant see sloths scum motivation at the beginning and end of a post ~mostly about sloths scum motivation
And sloths jack read... well jack just talked about it.
At the start i was pretty sure he was just disagreeing with me because thats what me and sloth do. But if hes town that leads to some method of figuring me out. Maybe a condotional read of me depending on jacks alignment. Maybe actually looking at jack.
But nope.
Said he was townreading him just because and then it "became" a hard townread with zero progression.
Ive thought these two were partners for quite some time
Day 3 has not changed my opinion
2680 was fine until the bolded shade at the bottom. Like baking cookies but at the last minute you replace the chocolate with poop. At least that post is a good argument in favour of Jack & Sloth being unaligned, although it may also be an attempt at chaining into a Rod lynch.
I'll remember 2677... as a positive. Maybe. It depends on future events.
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dbs, or Phraze (what do you want to be called?), what can you tell us about the current top suspects?
Because even when you do talk to me/us, it’s with a really thick air of suspicion, or doubt, or condescension.
We're not condescending towards everyone, but you have one of the lowest content ratio in the game and you sheep shamelessly so you get special treatment
So i guess im asking how positive the gamestate feels for everyone else
Good, but not so good we can fall asleep. We are not far enough from MyLo that we can afford to blindly vote for anyone in the POE, and while there is some consensus as to which players (plural) should be lynched, the consensus is a lot less clear when it comes to which player (singular) we are actually going to lynch.
I'll remember 2677... as a positive. Maybe. It depends on future events.
Just as planned!
I don't think I'm sheeping anyone on the KJ townread. That one was mine before he claimed or softed. I'd say the town!tom read was mine before Rhand went and confirmed him, but I don't know how long it would've taken me to shelve it otherwise.
Anyway, we're not talking about how they were cleared, but whether them being cleared ups our chances of winning. That's what I assumed you meant when you only called yourself and ZDS high quality, meaning analysis and pushing the game forward.
If were getting clears, they might as well be active players with good scum reputations to remove tinfoils and some ability to solve the game
Doing well on that front (i like to think)
If our PRs end up claiming early, they might as well be players that might have been mislynches and arent nightkills scum feel good about.
Not so much on that front
Imo
Not saying were doing terribly. Scum have presumably not successfully killed their target yet and weve lynched scum.
Obviously doing a fair amount better than the possible "5 town dead facing down lylo tomorrow if we mislynch again"
But i dont think were doing particularly well unless we lynch scum today
I think we’re doing better than Tom implies, but it’s certainly not on lock. But seriously Tom, you’re being depressing, and it’s a drag.
I think you’re forgetting that scum also have to play around night actions tonight again.
Oh, and remember that I don’t get NK’d, so the fact that scum have to deal with me is a knock against them as well. Especially with the aforementioned night actions.
I can’t decide if Sloth or Jack is a better lynch, both having stepped up the effort is a thing, and not being able to get traction anywhere else is also true.
I do agree that some gamestate scum credit goes to Jack, and that might be where I end up.
I mean im not trying to be depressing.
But from game start we needed 4 of the 8 towncontrolled kills (7 lynches and rhands shot) to hit scum to win day 7 final 3.
We're 1 for 3 so far
If we lynch scum today, ir shadow can stop another kill to gain an actual mislynch, or Johnny can see another scum action... then ill be feeling fine.
Two of those things and were maybe even winning
Idk i can understand thinking were doing fine. It might even be true if the ordering within poe is relatively accurate.
But hard for me to imagine thinking our position is "weirdly good"
It's great to be working, but working in grocery during this thing SUCKS.
DBS's reads in her only post are easy. I specifically don't like how I'm town for "being like ZE"
Her reads rn are probably as ill defined as mine are though, so I'm giving her more time.
Vaimes asked a lot of decent questions in the early game, but I haven't really followed as much as I would have liked since then so most of his posts are not in any proper context.
Sloth started out doing nothing, which was a thing, but then he did stuff and I havcen't put those in context with that yet so no read there.
Jack was easy in the last game, not that easy this game but that doesn't mean anything specific... but now that there's a decent amount of clears we can work with I can put those in context as well.
It's just a lot of stuff I haven't done yet. I'm working on it now. It'll take a bit.
Can you remind me why everyone was where they are here?
what does that possibly mean?
w/w is a possibility? (could explain the lack of cross-voting?)
w/t feels like one of them would be higher?
t/t means the wolves are in?
lets pretend these are t/t
Jackrito - 3 (ZeDorkSlipeur, Umami, tomsloger)
Slothful - 3 (Rodemy, Lastwhisper, Killjoy)
Lastwhisper - 1 (shadowlancerx)
Killjoy - 1 (Slothful)
Not Voting - 4 (Grapefruit21, Gentleman Johnny, Jackrito, Vaimes)
still like my town read on Rodemy so
not really interested in lynching DBS while they are trying to get into the game
Killjoy can be mafia, but I certainly dont feel like he made up his claim, so he's not the roleblocker?
neither Jack or Sloth are self-preserving at this point
and wolf!Jack could easily BS a reason to vote Sloth here if we are in w/t worlds
Like I dont necessarily believe this is a T/T world, but a w/t world feels unlikely given the wagon compositions
unless the wolves are just lurking/waiting it out
meh
@killjoy
how exactly did you come up with those groupings?
@Vaimes
@GJ
Why arent you voting?
Mainly because I'm thinking and letting Sloth post I'm very split if I think he is scum or not since he has done nothing amazing but I just don't feel scum intent in his recent posts. I feel his whole putting suspicison back on those partly confirmed because of his scum meta that I recently learned to create chaos, which felt like the intent of that post. I hate how hes treating my slot this game as well because he can easily push me with no mercy,I feel like he is trying to work me out which sounds good but I worry that he is setting me up if he flips red while also taking adv of my nature where I like people who defend me when heavily attacked. The fact he is also pushing Umani concerns me for different reasons.
As I said eariler today if it was not Sloth I would prefer Vaimes or KJ. I likely end back up on Sloth though for self prez. I hate playing that way though.
especially with the PoE already being really small?
and I would rather see bigger trains then what we have now
I see him as likely teammates with Umani and Vaimes most. I say this because in my Iso he never pushes either of them at all, but constantly town reads them. He has some light suspicions of Tubba early but never build on it, until the claims. I overall liked his posts though it felt like a town trying to work the game out and his reads developed in a consitant way well apart from some parts that I have issue with. His main push this entire game has being on Rhand and myself but seemed to have dropped the one on me based off the his ITF wagon review. If teammates with Sloth he could easily of pushed back onto me if wanted to, but based off is treatment of Sloth I can't see them as a team together he was pushing him from the very start. Same with Grape to a degree when Grape voted Tubba.
I can post the whole iso if anyone wants me to, but it is way longer then I wanted it to be and I feel a lot of it is wasteful.
I think that I need the Sloth lynch today not just for my own safety but a red flip on him clears KJ in my mind.
I actually feel like he is trying to work out the game in his way also. I'm still bothered by his Tubba vote though because he says that he sided with Shadow at the time it happened but he did not post anything about it.
I feel like the differences are too vast perhaps he adapated and this is him as scum still, but I'm really not seeing it apart from issues like the Tubba vote, but I feel like I have to stick with my vote on him because it affects my KJ read a lot and well you know saving myself.
Asks Rhand to expand on their WIsp read, also they think that ZDS is normal and not scummy. Says that Wisp 134 which was a vote on Killjoy feels like natural progression my early thoughts are that KJ is really focused on Wisp not sure what to think on it but bothers me. That being said Wisp 134 bothers me becaus he says that he does not like KJ stances, but based off what I read KJ stances seem normal but lacking. Next Kj defends himself to ZDS scum reading him for being impressive . Says again they are changing their style from non stop questions to find scum, this game like prison they are changing approach to being less active and try to find town instead lets see if this carries on in his play. Talks a bit about ZDS meta which sounds real
Says towncore is Umani Wisp and Vaimes not shocked by this but need to see if he expands on why. carries on their focus on Umani asking about why she did 202 which was their big catchup that ended up with a vote on me. Asks a couple of questions next which he said he would not do anymore. Next main thing is he drops his vote on me because of lack of pressure, and goes to ITF for his Shadow vote and bad entrance. Says Umani is pure and like their response to 202 which imo was an softball question so could of being scum theatre if either flipped red. Also said Tubba is on radar but not focused on him. Brings up a reason early on Tubba for their vote and blurb in their opening post this is a good look with Tubba flip.
How Tubba pushs KJ for their stance on Rhand and how KJ pushed back in 530 this is another good look with Tubba flip, says Tom is town which is fine based off posts so far. When asked who he would kill D1 if ITF is town he says me and Rhand. I find this weird since he seemed to suspect Tubba based off previous posts and his only stance on me was to apply pressure, Rhand for calling him scum. Asks ITF who scum on their wagon are and then pushs them for their poor read list which I saw issue with also so this is decent easy to fake as scum though to make your vote look better. Follows this up by quizzing Shadow on his thoughts about me. also thoughts on the wagon on ITF yet again not really matching his playstyle change. Also talked about Shadown town read of him is weird as was Sloth's of him.
Next main thing is them backing up their Rhand scum read saying Rhand's scum read of him is shallow which seems like a big discredit then adds in why he is different this game because of work and style change. Says they still like their ITF vote because of how ITF responded to it. Gives Axel a town read for his iso on me because it fits how he thinks a town Axel would play.
says I don't sound as pure as last game which is fair but he also says that does not make me scum and wants to reread me this bothers me because eariler I was his first choice if ITF was town now hes not sure of me. Axel, Last, tom, Vaimes, Umami probably town he says not sure where town read on Vaimes is from unless I missed something others make sense based off what he said. 1171 takes offfense to how ZDS represented thier vote on ITF then asks some questions this comes off as overly defensive.
When Sloth asks him who possible partners were for ITF if he flipped red or green he says no one because needs to recheck wagon, yet again where did his read of me and Rhand go. Keeps saying that Tom can't be scum without Vaimes but not sure why also pushs Sloth for being different this game, points in his favor if Sloth is scum. Says Vaimes town read is from some early posts. 1472 is them reviewing Tom this feels like how a town would review someone imo.
His stance in the Jailor claims feels very neutrual and non commited at all talking more like it does not concern him and interested in the mechs of the situation rather then the actual people. 1482 he takes the stance on Tubba being more scum but he is more copying axel then anything. This did come after a string of posts where he was talking to himself about situation I guess this is towny not sure if this is a normal KJ thing. Anyway back to 1482 he says ZDS and GJ are clear, Tom goes down which I agree with based on his handling of the claims. He says Umani is town which he likes to keep putting out there in my view Umani posts in this are easy to do coming in late if scum, also that Rhand and sloth are scum yet again if Sloth is scum KJ put a lot of early shade on him which is good.
Questions Grape for how fast they are jumping on Tubba being scum this is another good look if Grape is scum in this because he shades him pretty badly here. 1736 is a decent view on the wagon of ITF. Skipped a lot because this went way too long. Anyway says that Umani is a more likely teammate for Tubba then Wisp off interactions which I agree with. Votes Rhand which is constitant with their early read on him and the wagon review on ITF.
2272 Scum are likely in Sloth/Wisp/Jack/Grape/ I guess Rod. really not sure why Umani is not in this but Wisp is based off eariler post. They is more but nothing really important.
My view on Sloth is effected by that an bit just iso him though and saw better reasons. The one on KJ not really, it is more how he has treated the other people in the POE and specially Sloth from the start, and Grape to a less degree. also how his view on you changed a lot during d2 which felt town to me. I still hate his claim and how he acted during it but I feel he is town unless he can hard bus which based off what you all say about his scum game I doubt. Or if the scum team is with Vaimes and Umani which we don't get today anyway because of how the current POE is. Add Wisp to that to a lesser degree also
Can't really remind you because I don't recall myself. The bottom half of the list were non-townreads and players I thought could be snowing me. The only unclear players left in that grouping are Rod and Sloth, which is continuing the overall Vaimes Is Horrible trend. The list actually looks better if you flip it upside down, save Tubba. Big yikes.
With regard to you mentioning my play in our technically ongoing game, resistance/avalon and mafia are very different games to me, something I've already talked about, so I think if you're expecting the exact same play style, you're going to have inaccurate reads. That's like saying Monopoly and Catan are the same. At least that's what it's like to me. Resistance is a game with zero special roles, known division of good/bad, and 7 people. I know how it works. This is a game with a ton of people, unknown number of bad guys, and an unknown set-up. It's utter chaos. I don't even know what the likely/possible roles are.
With regard to you perceiving me as being more aggressive or however you phrased it, I think I'm a little more tough on Tom because I get the sense that he's good-natured and doesn't take it too seriously. I just expect him to either be perfect or to be scum, so give him a hard time when he's not perfect/he's leading town/town wagons. @Tom, glad you seem to be reading my tone correctly. Sloth, you did a ton of quotes out of context, so since I'm assuming you weren't reading carefully, Vaimes or someone joked they had the memory of a goldfish, this game has a million posts and I forgot my vote on Jack before I switched to Tubba so I joked that I too have the memory of a goldfish. Despite Jack saying they had a "tunnel" on me initially, I don't think I was necessarily tunneling back or anything defensive. I think they just progressively did more and more sketchy things--I hate that martyrdom stuff when it's a tactic to not get lynched as opposed to ITF who was genuine and just accepting they were going to get lynched where Jack was not (something I've already said). Anyway, Jack has consistently tried to paint me as overly emotional so that hysterical comment was actually me sarcastically addressing how Jack was misrepresenting. Something they continue to do with terms like "meltdown" etc. Jack is working super hard to paint me a certain way and to take the most extreme stance and interpretation of everything I say. Easy way to try to push a mislynch. Harder for me to find potential town motivation for that move. Luckily, Tom seems to get it right (this one time and one thing).
Btw everyone, about the bet, sorry about the out of game consequence. I didn't read the rulebook so didn't know and didn't mean to cross any lines. I genuinely just thought it would be fun to go head to head on a bet with Tom. For me, bets aren't some serious, aggressive thing. They're fun ways of upping the stakes. Also, dude, not even confident sloth is town. He's a null read for me right now. I just think lynching outside of the ITF train when it's identical to the Sloth train and there are likely at least 2 scum onboard is suboptimal play.
And, since it's been brought up, I have a townlean on LW and think tubba was pushing town/town wagons. LW is someone I would come back to if we don't keep hitting scum.
In the late game, the wind is kinda our of his sails, but in more of a boredom kinda way. I don't see evidence that it's connected to his alignment.
I'd put him as lean town. The apathy is throwing it off a bit due to the fact that the townie stuff isn't recent but I'd say that probably doesn't matter so much.
Thumbs up to him for summarising his ISO (no sarcasm) because 2666 is 99% purely descriptive, 1% gut reads.
Based on you'd think Vaimes would prioritise voting Jack, with Sloth as a possible back-up, but instead he repeatedly sticks his vote on Sloth. Unless he has an unspoken scumread on Sloth's recent strings of posts, how does that make sense?
Jack, Vaimes, I'm trying to escape my confirmation bias, stop being scummy and reaffirming it è_é
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Killjoy, why didn't you start your reviews with Jack and Sloth? Wouldn't that be more efficient?
Whispy, out of all the possible Jack-Sloth pairings, which one do you think is most likely? (ie w/w, t/t, w/t, t/w)
Because the jack wagon is being pushed pretty strongly by two confirmed town amd no one will join
And when i voted sloth, people came out of the woodwork to put him to L-1
Jack just cant feel the scum intent in sloths recent posts
Except the causing chaos stuff which feels (to jack) like the intent, which jack says is his scum meta
Also except sloths handling of jack, which jack thinks is either setting him up or pocketing him.
But he cant feel the scum intent
@jack also still waiting on examples of sloth working you out
Because pretty sure that hasnt happened
This is a guess at the book characters? vvv
Don't need to wait for me to catch up. I'm admittedly lazy when it comes to backreading, easier to read forward. Start of game is usually the clearest, so a bit of backreading should suffice for me.
As for why I mentioned you in ZE, I guess it's tone(?). I'm not good at tone reads, so hmmm.. Might be something else. Your posts from early on were looking into the intent behind the formation of each post.
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I would suggest asking me questions, rather than waiting for me to catch up. Part of the reason I didn't mind replacing in is because I rarely rely on backreading beyond what is necessary.
Be grateful, always."
vote vaimes
there will be my vote
Unvote, vote Jack
KJ, I you.
Yeah after rereading last night its not that he is trying to work me out it is more he has worked me out which is a big difference and more cause for concern for me since it is either tmi or he really knows me. I will post some quotes to show this.
This is the only time he ever doubted me in the entire game at the time it did not bother me since everyone else was doing it, His change in stance on me did thhough which is why I pushed him once he started town leaning me.
Here I'm a town lean again for ungiven reasons
Here he explains why I semi became a town lean because he says Tom's case on me is not backed up so either he is lying to keep me town for reasons I don't get but come from scum in most worlds. Or he really sees the town in me that a lot of you don't the first seems more likely.
This is him calling me town again but I feel this is more of a joke.
This is his last post on me where he doubles down on it, so based off all his posts talking about me they is no doubt in his mind I'm town. This is not him working me out like I said eariler this is insane to me how he can be this certain when so many of you doubt me. I don't know why he does this if scum apart from to set me up as a teammate but I also don't see the town motivation unless he just really wants to stick to his guns and is stubborn.
While reading him though something else bothered me his interactions with Rod, are so small and seem so weird compared to his with most other people in the game. They is no working him out just small game discussiom. They is very little talk about Grape apart from putting them in a POE with Umani Last and KJ. He has had some more recent focus on that slot so want to see where it goes. He has never gave a read on Rod though and never put him in possible scum teams, this stands out to me a lot. Compared to how much he talked about his read on me possible this is because Rod never a topic of discussion but still.
So high chance he is scum with Rod if anyone how they both are Pushing Umani at same time is also weird.
Gamestate is in a weirdly good spot, and this happened completely independent of me, which means I’m one of several who could be mafia. The townfirms are inclined to talk to each other more than they’d talk to us, which is logical and fair, but pretty off-putting nonetheless. Because even when you do talk to me/us, it’s with a really thick air of suspicion, or doubt, or condescension.
Our job was villagers in the lynch pool is to somehow claw our way out, but mafia are also going to be doing that. Everything posted as of recent is going to be laced with much more wine than usual because distancing had to happen super early, and right now it seems to me that getting out of the POE is gonna come down to a WIM competition, which I do not have and don’t really care to try and win for oog-ish reasons.
Hence, motivation is down in the dumps, and I’m fully aware it looks like salty mafia. I’d probably be posting even less as mafia to avoid spewing the villagers in the POE but don’t take that at face-value etc.
Hmmmmm. Curious. More toMorrow
It might just be neither...
I do think gamestate looks better for town from a scum pov. Theyd presumably feel like both their kills got messed with and a partner got lynched
When its actually... idk not that great.
I know i have the worst pov for the events of today because i already knew i was town and strongly suspected rhand was even before claim. So i got almost literal nothing
But even without that i think axels successful bodyguarding is all thats keeping us from not being fairly far behind rn?
But specifically i know vaimes of either alignment isnt as mechanically minded and i guess could just think shrinking poe=good game state and not care about dead and outed PRs
And realistically our current win chances are probably not far from our pregame chances
The numbers are even: 12v4 > 9v3
Losing axel and rhand sucks but i suppose me and zds are pretty high quality clears.
Its pretty
So i guess im asking how positive the gamestate feels for everyone else
Jack even saying the sentence about sloth trying to figure him out is ludicrous with what i know of sloths posting about him. And Jack saying he cant see sloths scum motivation at the beginning and end of a post ~mostly about sloths scum motivation
And sloths jack read... well jack just talked about it.
At the start i was pretty sure he was just disagreeing with me because thats what me and sloth do. But if hes town that leads to some method of figuring me out. Maybe a condotional read of me depending on jacks alignment. Maybe actually looking at jack.
But nope.
Said he was townreading him just because and then it "became" a hard townread with zero progression.
Ive thought these two were partners for quite some time
Day 3 has not changed my opinion
2680 was fine until the bolded shade at the bottom. Like baking cookies but at the last minute you replace the chocolate with poop. At least that post is a good argument in favour of Jack & Sloth being unaligned, although it may also be an attempt at chaining into a Rod lynch.
I'll remember 2677... as a positive. Maybe. It depends on future events.
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dbs, or Phraze (what do you want to be called?), what can you tell us about the current top suspects?
See this is why you should have started with Jack and/or Sloth, you are wasting the time and energy you don't have
We're not condescending towards everyone, but you have one of the lowest content ratio in the game and you sheep shamelessly so you get special treatment
Good, but not so good we can fall asleep. We are not far enough from MyLo that we can afford to blindly vote for anyone in the POE, and while there is some consensus as to which players (plural) should be lynched, the consensus is a lot less clear when it comes to which player (singular) we are actually going to lynch.
Mod could come in and say I was town cleared, and tom would probably check the front page to make sure it wasn't a bastard game.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I don't think I'm sheeping anyone on the KJ townread. That one was mine before he claimed or softed. I'd say the town!tom read was mine before Rhand went and confirmed him, but I don't know how long it would've taken me to shelve it otherwise.
Either way, those are claims not clears. Its not necessarily a positive thing
Doing well on that front (i like to think)
If our PRs end up claiming early, they might as well be players that might have been mislynches and arent nightkills scum feel good about.
Not so much on that front
Imo
Not saying were doing terribly. Scum have presumably not successfully killed their target yet and weve lynched scum.
Obviously doing a fair amount better than the possible "5 town dead facing down lylo tomorrow if we mislynch again"
But i dont think were doing particularly well unless we lynch scum today
I think you’re forgetting that scum also have to play around night actions tonight again.
Oh, and remember that I don’t get NK’d, so the fact that scum have to deal with me is a knock against them as well. Especially with the aforementioned night actions.
I can’t decide if Sloth or Jack is a better lynch, both having stepped up the effort is a thing, and not being able to get traction anywhere else is also true.
I do agree that some gamestate scum credit goes to Jack, and that might be where I end up.
But from game start we needed 4 of the 8 towncontrolled kills (7 lynches and rhands shot) to hit scum to win day 7 final 3.
We're 1 for 3 so far
If we lynch scum today, ir shadow can stop another kill to gain an actual mislynch, or Johnny can see another scum action... then ill be feeling fine.
Two of those things and were maybe even winning
Idk i can understand thinking were doing fine. It might even be true if the ordering within poe is relatively accurate.
But hard for me to imagine thinking our position is "weirdly good"
I do agree that a scum lynch today will belong immensely.