@Tom/ZDS: can I interest either of you in a Last Lynch?
I don’t really think Jack is the scum roleblocker; he was advocating his own death day 1, which indicates that even if he’s scum, he didn’t have a solid claim to back himself up. And if Sloth is scum, he seems the designated bus target, suggesting he’s not the roleblocker either.
Last on the other hand isn’t getting pushed, by like anyone. This actually also applies to Vaimes as well to an extent.
Come join me on Last, he’s well in the PoE and this day doesn’t have to be about Sloth/Jack only.
Based on some general pings I've gotten off Last, I'm good with this.
He feels like he cares too much on how he's being viewed and is correcting himself, as if overcorrecting on avoiding behavior that would be seen as scummy.
I've already brought up Vaimes' apathy too, which I guess no one but Last wants to respond to? Actually think I'd lynch him over Last, barring an ISO revealing something super damning.
“Bilpier, fourth of the Heisp Nariscene colony system, is small, solid, cold-cored, habiformed to Nariscene specifications within the last centieon, dynamically O2 atmosphered, one hundred per cent Nariscene and seventy-four per cent surface bubble-hived.”
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Ferbin had thought to ask the ship for more information. “Hmm,” he said, little the wiser. “I seek a man called Xide Hyrlis,” he continued. “Do you know if he is there, in this Bilpier place?”
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I don't care that Jack has been playing chicken with us since Day 1, and again during the desperhando episode:
1) He likes risky plays as scum;
2) He himself is aware this isn't his usual (town-)style and can't explain it (2572, Jack qualifying his own play of weird should ring *loud* alarm bells);
3) He's not even consistent about it: "lynch me! Shoot me!", he yells when there is not that much danger, while he desperately clings on to life when the danger becomes a lot more real.
I also don't particularly care that he has "moxie" for calling me out on my unstated, and therefore incredibly weak (as far as the rest of the world is concerned) reasons for suggesting he's fakeclaiming, or that he's spamming ISOs (I used to care but 2588 convinced me not to).
Re: lynching Whispy: Meh. Maaaayyyybe instead of Sloth, not instead of Jack. I have many worlds where Whispy isn't scum, and I think out of the unconfirmed-wagonners trio (Vaimes/Jack/Whispy) he's the least likely scum from a logical perspective. Behaviour-wise I could be convinced, his Day 1 mutual interactions with Tubba were weird (with them refusing to actually push each other for reasons I don't know).
And I am gonna go over who pushed that she was towncleared. We need to revisit Umami.
IIRC it's mostly towncleared players, and Grapefruit. You can go after Grape if you want but overall there definitely isn't a scum conspiracy at play here.
I am off tomorrow so I will do some work here for sure.
Here's hoping my housemates don't decide to require my computer room forever again on my day off.
That's happened twice now.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
D1 ends with conf!scum Tubba voting on last for: "he's being prickly" and in response(?) to his interaction with Umami.
The first part is actually what's pinging me about Last, but the fact scum is bringing it up makes me think that it may be more LHF than a valid reason - therefore I'm taking one step away from that world unless I see things that are scummy independently of that on an ISO or in the future.
Also that vote on Last was his first ever post in the 200s and never changed it, so yeah, I'm getting an unaligned impression.
D2 ends with Tubba voting on Shadow because what else is he going to do.
D1 ends with Umami voting conf!scum Tubba for: Not going hard enough on Last, and general misrepresentation on Last (according to #337 - she votes on #285).
This has been brought up by others to appear bussy and hair-trigger, and her reasons for it are not great (Last himself actually says that Tubba wasn't misrepping him despite Umami citing this as her main reason to her vote).
D2 ends with Umami voting on Jack because...going to be perfectly honest, I actually don't follow the reasoning for that read. She says he's misrepping her, and being completely unhelpful to Town - which I guess are okay reasons to scumread someone, but doesn't provide examples. She will continue to show a a fixation on getting Jack lynched/killed that does not match her reasons to suspect him (which I guess is more likely to come from town?)
I noted she might be avoiding ruffling Tom's feathers as to not get his attention, as shown by how she doesn't question his different play where I think she's actually someone that would do that (a not-perfect example is her interactions with Rhand.)
There's also the Tubba situation: Despite still scumreading him strongly, per her own statements, at no point does she vote him (though states she's willing to). She pretty much sidesteps the whole Tubba/Shadow dichotomy and almost pretends it's not there. The argument could be made that as scum she would try to cash in easy towncred specially since she voted for him so long on D1 and if I were town I would feel extremely vindicated here and jump in, but not her.
In fact, she spends the Day trying to convince players to move to Jack, or even Rodemy, long after she "finds out" about the dichotomy (I already said that whole thing looked staged to me).
There's also Tubba listing both Umami and Last as mafia in #779. I can see him adding one of his scummates there but definitely not two. While it doesn't necessarily mean that there is 1, Umami strikes me as that.
[SLOTH EDIT: piggybacking on it towards Rhand:] And why don’t you want to do anything about it?
here to look at closer when building teams.
I guess current team is looking to be Tubba/Umami/KJ/?
Fourth could be Vaimes or Grape?
But Vaimes doesn't work with KJ because of those interactions D1 and KJ's tendency to try to pal around with him. I don't think they could be w/w at all.
And Grape...I do not remember a single ******* thing he's done this game (he said, without irony). So I guess I ISO him tomorrow. And KJ too to be safe.
@Sloth
I thought you liked living on the Wild side?
I do, but I would say it's more tempered as town, where I like to take a beat and actually analyse and assimilate. If I die too quick, the fun stops.
As scum, there's no holds barred.
3) He's not even consistent about it: "lynch me! Shoot me!", he yells when there is not that much danger, while he desperately clings on to life when the danger becomes a lot more real.
Re: lynching Whispy: Meh. Maaaayyyybe instead of Sloth, not instead of Jack. I have many worlds where Whispy isn't scum, and I think out of the unconfirmed-wagonners trio (Vaimes/Jack/Whispy) he's the least likely scum from a logical perspective.
How are you feeling Vaimes? I could easily go for him now. Helps resolve KJ too, imo.
3) He's not even consistent about it: "lynch me! Shoot me!", he yells when there is not that much danger, while he desperately clings on to life when the danger becomes a lot more real.
Concrete examples?
im confused about what youve read i think. You cant really have a contrary opinion to my read of Jack without having read him fairly closely, but you cant have even skimmed him if you dont know the answer to this?
Apathy is vaimes natural state. I read him off how he does get into the game. Largely looking for the source of his oomph. Is it externel, being drawn in by the puzzle? Is it internal, forcing himself to have impact?
He hasnt gotten really going much this game at all. Not zero times, but not a lot. Im still pretty pending. But the longer i *dont* see it the more likely it becomes hes just scum amd isnt even faking it
I don't care that Jack has been playing chicken with us since Day 1, and again during the desperhando episode:
1) He likes risky plays as scum;
2) He himself is aware this isn't his usual (town-)style and can't explain it (2572, Jack qualifying his own play of weird should ring *loud* alarm bells);
3) He's not even consistent about it: "lynch me! Shoot me!", he yells when there is not that much danger, while he desperately clings on to life when the danger becomes a lot more real.
I also don't particularly care that he has "moxie" for calling me out on my unstated, and therefore incredibly weak (as far as the rest of the world is concerned) reasons for suggesting he's fakeclaiming, or that he's spamming ISOs (I used to care but 2588 convinced me not to).
Re: lynching Whispy: Meh. Maaaayyyybe instead of Sloth, not instead of Jack. I have many worlds where Whispy isn't scum, and I think out of the unconfirmed-wagonners trio (Vaimes/Jack/Whispy) he's the least likely scum from a logical perspective. Behaviour-wise I could be convinced, his Day 1 mutual interactions with Tubba were weird (with them refusing to actually push each other for reasons I don't know).
And I am gonna go over who pushed that she was towncleared. We need to revisit Umami.
IIRC it's mostly towncleared players, and Grapefruit. You can go after Grape if you want but overall there definitely isn't a scum conspiracy at play here.
Ok I like risky plays as scum, not sucidal plays they is a big difference between Risk which I do for high reward and asking for someone to shoot me. I'm serious about my scum games so not willing to throw them away on a gambit.
2 The only thing weird about my town play is how defeatist Im being but that is partly based off my position in game state and you all stuck in your view point. I keep going between defeatist because sick of it all and think it is best move for game state since forces a lot of you to get off my arse and reveulate the game. While on the other side I have a lot of pride and rarely get mislynches so will fight it at the same time. I'm not going to sit here and take it even if I think it's right move. Partly because I'm worried you all don't reveulate and just blame me for being bad and not your own biased views.
Last point explains your point 3.
Tonight I finish my KJ Iso I started yesterday . Then I do a review of Umani I guess to see if my view changes, not that it matters because I doubt anyone here reads my posts once I die anyway.
An off-site game I was in finished, and I was uh, pretty instrumental in town losing, so. I‘m not salty, per say, just not in the mood to push my own ideas or reads. And gamestate here doesn’t reeeally demand my input, at least until people seriously try to kill me.
Except that I knew Shadow targeted him (obviously I would know where my nk would have gotten).
Reasons and possibilities aside, we only have your word that you actually knew Shadow had targeted ZDS, where scum would definitely know that something happened to prevent the kill.
Then you hinted that you had seen something in a way you later claimed was meant to be subtle but no one at all found to be subtle (regardless of your alignment, I actually think you wanted it clear for people) and Shadow reacted in a way that clearly indicated that, yes, he had been the one to protect ZDS.
That is a more factual description of the events that unfolded.
Just...let's not talk about this right now. I am well aware that I have a penchant to favor outlandish theories 'cause I like mindgames and want the game to be more clever than it is.
I'm trying to change that so I don't want to get too involved on this possibility until I have to, which certainly isn't now, and your responses to it are like custom-made to get me to obsess.
See, I don't like this. You made this whole thing about it and offered a cookie trying to see if someone "saw what you did." But the second you got any heat, even from the subject in question, you are backing off? I mean, I don't think I am magically going to be spared because I get suspicion thrown my way, but what was the point of this post? Do you want to push me, but don't think you'll get any takers? Do you think you are going to die tomorrow, and don't want people to overlook me or something? I don't understand the mindset here, hence the questions. You saying "let's not talk about it" when you started the issue is NGL.
still think tubba treated last/umami like two townies. Nothing changing over here
Okay.
I’m gonna dig at grapefruit, he’s been a nonentity and yet never had pressure even applied his direction. Anything from him that you think is particularly AI or any reason he’s higher up than Sloth/Jack?
Apathy is vaimes natural state. I read him off how he does get into the game. Largely looking for the source of his oomph. Is it externel, being drawn in by the puzzle? Is it internal, forcing himself to have impact?
He hasnt gotten really going much this game at all. Not zero times, but not a lot. Im still pretty pending. But the longer i *dont* see it the more likely it becomes hes just scum amd isnt even faking it
still think tubba treated last/umami like two townies. Nothing changing over here
Okay.
I’m gonna dig at grapefruit, he’s been a nonentity and yet never had pressure even applied his direction. Anything from him that you think is particularly AI or any reason he’s higher up than Sloth/Jack?
im assuming grape ends up cleared by jack and/or kj flipping scum
If theyre both town hes got a fair amount of scum equity though
Yup, just finished Grape Iso, he’s not AI with Jack. I sort of agree on KJ as well, but I also think that’s much less established.
Grape does have a “right side of history” feel to some of his posts; where he’s crafted a post or opinion that would seem to carry risk, but doesn’t with how the chips fall. One that comes to mind is his “I would fit the most as ITF’s partner”.
With as much as he hasn’t been heavily present, I am surprised he’s not getting attention.
Yup, just finished Grape Iso, he’s not AI with Jack. I sort of agree on KJ as well, but I also think that’s much less established.
Grape does have a “right side of history” feel to some of his posts; where he’s crafted a post or opinion that would seem to carry risk, but doesn’t with how the chips fall. One that comes to mind is his “I would fit the most as ITF’s partner”.
With as much as he hasn’t been heavily present, I am surprised he’s not getting attention.
i was gonna respond to the "not getting attention" part because i remembered sloth and umami giving him attention today and i wanted to see who else
Vaimes/jack have him in poe but never talk about him directly really
Rodemy doesnt mention
But the actual interesting thing i saw is KJs iso
Where 31 of his last 39 posts are talking about his claim and/or defending himself
And of those other 8 hes pushed only sloth, and unvoted when he came back...
im less confident on sloth/kj now. They are eachothers primary push today but they both seem so focused on interacting with the towncore and not dying that i can see it as more distancey now.
Wouldnt make it "actively aligned" like jack/sloth but removing from my unalignments maybe
When i voted sloth earlier and a bunch of shifty people followed vaimes is the one that voted while avoiding responsibility. Something along the lines of "ok if this is what the townfirmeds want". No reason to do so if partners with sloth
Hopefully I won't add to the barrage of posts already present.
Disclaimer: Haven't been playing mafia for about a year, so I may have forgotten some things. Additionally, I won't be as active as you last remembered me. Also gonna write in forum style. Grammer fixes, etc.
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Would appreciate a rundown of things. Gonna backread, I suppose. Though I remember I'd prefer starting from the point I start posting. Scum lynch helps.
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3) He's not even consistent about it: "lynch me! Shoot me!", he yells when there is not that much danger, while he desperately clings on to life when the danger becomes a lot more real.
Concrete examples?
im confused about what youve read i think. You cant really have a contrary opinion to my read of Jack without having read him fairly closely, but you cant have even skimmed him if you dont know the answer to this?
Everything from start of D2 onward, and a couple of players' ISOs (not Jack's).
Leads to my question: I'm not seeing the inconsistency he's talking about and I'm wondering if we're viewing his posts through different lenses.
Also he's either risky as scum (see ZDS' #1) or he's not (see what's being quoted here), which is it?
Hi DBS. We are currently in an early POE state due to having many townfirms.
During Night 1, which had no death, Gentleman Johnny (watcher) saw shadowlancerx (jailer) and Tubba Fett (scum) both target me (unclaimed). Day 2 we lynched Tubba and now the three of us (Johnny/shadow/myself) are townfirmed.
Earlier toDay tomsloger got desperado'd and survived (unlike Rhand the desperado), so he's townfirmed as well.
In between, during Night 2, shadow jailed Killjoy. Since the kill went through and since Johnny's ability was made to fail in unspecified ways, we assume Killjoy isn't the scum roleblocker and is marginally less likely to be scum. He is not townfirmed though.
Killjoy himself claimed Judge, with the ability to force a lynch on anyone who did *not* get the most votes if we no-lynch.
Unconfirmed players can roughly be divided into three tiers:
— Suspected by few players, very unlikely lynch candidates for now: your slot, Umami, Rodemy
— Suspected by several players, possible lynch candidates but it would take some effort: Vaimes, Lastwhisper, Killjoy (he's technically tier 1.5 due to the not-roleblocker thing)
— Suspected by many players, almost guaranteed to be lynched: Jackrito, Slothful (both claimed vanilla)
I recommend working your way up the list so you can build relevant opinions early.
Would appreciate a rundown of things. Gonna backread, I suppose.
Oh hey Phraze.
I'm up for the chopping block along with Jack.
Tom conf!scum. Rhand was desperado who shot at him earlier today.
Shadow/ZDS/GJ are lock-town to varying degrees.
Sloth: Day 1, ITF went full martyr ("lynch me! it's better for the town!"). Jackrito did the exact same thing immediately after... except whereas ITF was the uncontested top wagon, Jack had like two votes on him.
Tonight I finish my KJ Iso I started yesterday . Then I do a review of Umani I guess to see if my view changes, not that it matters because I doubt anyone here reads my posts once I die anyway.
If you flip town I'll make sure to re-check your ISOs. From what I've seen they don't contain anything majorly illogical or crazy anyway.
How are you feeling Vaimes? I could easily go for him now. Helps resolve KJ too, imo.
What's your read on Grape?
Vaimes is a good candidate for scum #4 if you and Jack are both scum. Things get muddier if that's not the case. Grape/DBS is probably the last player I'll vote out of my personal POE (which excludes Uma and Rod), unless DBS's entry is particularly bad.
My martyr play looked bad even I know that, but still stand by it to a degree based off the game state we are in now.
If Was not stuck in a potential self prez situation with Sloth, I would much perfer a Vaimes or Killjoy lynch but doubt that happens. Grapes spot bothers me but now it's being replaced no point lynching it though day . Also not my strongest scum read
Skimmed up to page 5. Think I'll leave it that way(?)
Umami seems town. Same for Killjoy.
I saw Umami mentioned Vaimes was clearing players. Agree that scum attempt to shade, not clear. Don't remember Vaimes much, but inclined to give a townlean by extension of Umami. Around the 200th post or something.
Killjoy's posts seem like in ZE, so I'm thinking town.
Last (I prefer calling him that) also looks fine. Posts still seem unlike him, from what I remember. Scum!Tubba piling an RVS there looks....like he could be town?
Only saw Grape (my predecessor) post once. Looked bad.
Would appreciate a rundown of things. Gonna backread, I suppose.
Oh hey Phraze.
I'm up for the chopping block along with Jack.
Tom conf!scum. Rhand was desperado who shot at him earlier today.
Shadow/ZDS/GJ are lock-town to varying degrees.
See, I don't like this. You made this whole thing about it and offered a cookie trying to see if someone "saw what you did." But the second you got any heat, even from the subject in question, you are backing off? I mean, I don't think I am magically going to be spared because I get suspicion thrown my way, but what was the point of this post? (1)Do you want to push me, but don't think you'll get any takers? (2)Do you think you are going to die tomorrow, and don't want people to overlook me or something? I don't understand the mindset here, hence the questions. You saying "let's not talk about it" when you started the issue is NGL.
You are correct, me not wanting to delve further into a line of thought I labeled as "tinfoil" and prefaced with "if things start not making sense, consider" from the start is absolutely NGL, and you continuing to fixate on it while not voting me is definitely not an alarmist response.
Seriously this post. What heat? At most I've had 3 casual conversations on the topic, including yours. If it's affected anyone's views on me in a significant way, it has not been made obvious in the thread so I have definitely not picked up on it.
Moreover, I'm the leading wagon(s), sonny boy, none of this has earned me more attention that wasn't already on me. What heat is supposed to be making me back off?
(1) No, I don't want to push you right now. I could not have made that more clear, so not sure how you missed that.
(2) Yes. I've said this. I've actually answered both these questions clearly, why aren't you reading the posts?
Don't answer that. Just stop muddling the waters. If this will be a thing, it'll happen in its own time, and there are many scenarios I (still) find more likely despite your annoying responses.
If you think this isn't a good look for me just vote me and be done with it - why haven't you done that already?
So here was the analysis I had of Tubba given voting.
There’s probably 1-2 scum in
ZDS
Tom
Johnny
Rod
Vaimes Killjoy.
And 1-2 in
Rhand Shadow
GrapeDBS
Sloth
Jack ITF
Axel
Perhaps 0-1 in
Umami/Last
If I trust that Johnny+Shadow aren't doing crazy wolf things with that watch claim, then this is accurate.
I'll ISO Vaimes and Rod due to there likely being 1 in those 2. I'll give DBS some slack for now to get into the game and look into Jack and Sloth after that. Hopefully DBS is caught up by then.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
He feels like he cares too much on how he's being viewed and is correcting himself, as if overcorrecting on avoiding behavior that would be seen as scummy.
I've already brought up Vaimes' apathy too, which I guess no one but Last wants to respond to? Actually think I'd lynch him over Last, barring an ISO revealing something super damning.
I know you didn't ask me
Speaking of ISOs, Not game-relevant, but noticed this and it warms the heart, thanks Shadow
Holse and Ferbin were lounging in the sitting area of their generously proportioned suite of cabins within The Hundredth Idiot, being kept fed and watered by a variety of subservient machines and entertained by images on wall screens. They knew they were going to Bilpier and the hive city of Ischuer and the journey would take ten days, though that was all they’d been told since Director General Shoum had secured their passage on a ship leaving only a day after she and Ferbin had spoken.
Ferbin had thought to ask the ship for more information. “Hmm,” he said, little the wiser. “I seek a man called Xide Hyrlis,” he continued. “Do you know if he is there, in this Bilpier place?”
“I do not,” The Hundredth Idiot replied. “It is doubtful that he is. You have preferential clearance to be conveyed to this person as requested, with emphasis, by the Morthanveld Tertiary Hulian Spine Director General. I can now confirm you are booked for onward travel from Ischuer, Bilpier, aboard the Morthanveld vessel ‘Fasilyce, Upon Waking’, a Cat.5 SwellHull. Its destination is not a matter of public record.”
Slothful - 3 (Rodemy, Lastwhisper, Killjoy)
Lastwhisper - 1 (shadowlancerx)
Killjoy - 1 (Slothful)
Not Voting - 4 (Grapefruit21, Gentleman Johnny, Jackrito, Vaimes)
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to achieve a majority.
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I thought you liked living on the Wild side?
1) He likes risky plays as scum;
2) He himself is aware this isn't his usual (town-)style and can't explain it (2572, Jack qualifying his own play of weird should ring *loud* alarm bells);
3) He's not even consistent about it: "lynch me! Shoot me!", he yells when there is not that much danger, while he desperately clings on to life when the danger becomes a lot more real.
I also don't particularly care that he has "moxie" for calling me out on my unstated, and therefore incredibly weak (as far as the rest of the world is concerned) reasons for suggesting he's fakeclaiming, or that he's spamming ISOs (I used to care but 2588 convinced me not to).
Re: lynching Whispy: Meh. Maaaayyyybe instead of Sloth, not instead of Jack. I have many worlds where Whispy isn't scum, and I think out of the unconfirmed-wagonners trio (Vaimes/Jack/Whispy) he's the least likely scum from a logical perspective. Behaviour-wise I could be convinced, his Day 1 mutual interactions with Tubba were weird (with them refusing to actually push each other for reasons I don't know).
IIRC it's mostly towncleared players, and Grapefruit. You can go after Grape if you want but overall there definitely isn't a scum conspiracy at play here.
I am off tomorrow so I will do some work here for sure.
Here's hoping my housemates don't decide to require my computer room forever again on my day off.
That's happened twice now.
Also that vote on Last was his first ever post in the 200s and never changed it, so yeah, I'm getting an unaligned impression.
There's also the Tubba situation: Despite still scumreading him strongly, per her own statements, at no point does she vote him (though states she's willing to). She pretty much sidesteps the whole Tubba/Shadow dichotomy and almost pretends it's not there. The argument could be made that as scum she would try to cash in easy towncred specially since she voted for him so long on D1 and if I were town I would feel extremely vindicated here and jump in, but not her.
In fact, she spends the Day trying to convince players to move to Jack, or even Rodemy, long after she "finds out" about the dichotomy (I already said that whole thing looked staged to me).
There's also Tubba listing both Umami and Last as mafia in #779. I can see him adding one of his scummates there but definitely not two. While it doesn't necessarily mean that there is 1, Umami strikes me as that.
Also, just gonna leave this: here to look at closer when building teams.
I guess current team is looking to be
Tubba/Umami/KJ/?Fourth could be Vaimes or Grape?
But Vaimes doesn't work with KJ because of those interactions D1 and KJ's tendency to try to pal around with him. I don't think they could be w/w at all.
And Grape...I do not remember a single ******* thing he's done this game (he said, without irony). So I guess I ISO him tomorrow. And KJ too to be safe.
See? Effort.
As scum, there's no holds barred.
How are you feeling Vaimes? I could easily go for him now. Helps resolve KJ too, imo.
What's your read on Grape?
Do you think Vaimes' apathy is AI this game? Does it happen with him as scum even when he's not being pressed?
He hasnt gotten really going much this game at all. Not zero times, but not a lot. Im still pretty pending. But the longer i *dont* see it the more likely it becomes hes just scum amd isnt even faking it
Ok I like risky plays as scum, not sucidal plays they is a big difference between Risk which I do for high reward and asking for someone to shoot me. I'm serious about my scum games so not willing to throw them away on a gambit.
2 The only thing weird about my town play is how defeatist Im being but that is partly based off my position in game state and you all stuck in your view point. I keep going between defeatist because sick of it all and think it is best move for game state since forces a lot of you to get off my arse and reveulate the game. While on the other side I have a lot of pride and rarely get mislynches so will fight it at the same time. I'm not going to sit here and take it even if I think it's right move. Partly because I'm worried you all don't reveulate and just blame me for being bad and not your own biased views.
Last point explains your point 3.
Tonight I finish my KJ Iso I started yesterday . Then I do a review of Umani I guess to see if my view changes, not that it matters because I doubt anyone here reads my posts once I die anyway.
See, I don't like this. You made this whole thing about it and offered a cookie trying to see if someone "saw what you did." But the second you got any heat, even from the subject in question, you are backing off? I mean, I don't think I am magically going to be spared because I get suspicion thrown my way, but what was the point of this post? Do you want to push me, but don't think you'll get any takers? Do you think you are going to die tomorrow, and don't want people to overlook me or something? I don't understand the mindset here, hence the questions. You saying "let's not talk about it" when you started the issue is NGL.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I’m gonna dig at grapefruit, he’s been a nonentity and yet never had pressure even applied his direction. Anything from him that you think is particularly AI or any reason he’s higher up than Sloth/Jack?
I get being salty more than anyone else here.
He seems like he is slank coverage mode.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
If theyre both town hes got a fair amount of scum equity though
Grape does have a “right side of history” feel to some of his posts; where he’s crafted a post or opinion that would seem to carry risk, but doesn’t with how the chips fall. One that comes to mind is his “I would fit the most as ITF’s partner”.
With as much as he hasn’t been heavily present, I am surprised he’s not getting attention.
Jack/grape
Jack/umami
Kj/grape
Last/umami
And atleast somewhat unlikely:
Sloth/KJ
Sloth/vaimes
Grape/umami
Rodemy not appearing on this list is mildly worrisome
I know you have it as unlikely, but...
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Vaimes/jack have him in poe but never talk about him directly really
Rodemy doesnt mention
But the actual interesting thing i saw is KJs iso
Where 31 of his last 39 posts are talking about his claim and/or defending himself
And of those other 8 hes pushed only sloth, and unvoted when he came back...
Wouldnt make it "actively aligned" like jack/sloth but removing from my unalignments maybe
When i voted sloth earlier and a bunch of shifty people followed vaimes is the one that voted while avoiding responsibility. Something along the lines of "ok if this is what the townfirmeds want". No reason to do so if partners with sloth
Except she forgot last in that math
Id assume shes answered if you read her other posts but obviously neither of us are going to do that rn so
Effective immediately, dawningbluesky replaces Grapefruit21.
As a reminder please do not discuss the timing, reasons, or order of substitutions.
jk
Hopefully I won't add to the barrage of posts already present.
Disclaimer: Haven't been playing mafia for about a year, so I may have forgotten some things. Additionally, I won't be as active as you last remembered me. Also gonna write in forum style. Grammer fixes, etc.
Be grateful, always."
Though I remember I'd prefer starting from the point I start posting.Scum lynch helps.Be grateful, always."
They both claimed Jailkeeper, we lynched tubba who was scum
Leads to my question: I'm not seeing the inconsistency he's talking about and I'm wondering if we're viewing his posts through different lenses.
Also he's either risky as scum (see ZDS' #1) or he's not (see what's being quoted here), which is it?
During Night 1, which had no death, Gentleman Johnny (watcher) saw shadowlancerx (jailer) and Tubba Fett (scum) both target me (unclaimed). Day 2 we lynched Tubba and now the three of us (Johnny/shadow/myself) are townfirmed.
Earlier toDay tomsloger got desperado'd and survived (unlike Rhand the desperado), so he's townfirmed as well.
In between, during Night 2, shadow jailed Killjoy. Since the kill went through and since Johnny's ability was made to fail in unspecified ways, we assume Killjoy isn't the scum roleblocker and is marginally less likely to be scum. He is not townfirmed though.
Killjoy himself claimed Judge, with the ability to force a lynch on anyone who did *not* get the most votes if we no-lynch.
Unconfirmed players can roughly be divided into three tiers:
— Suspected by few players, very unlikely lynch candidates for now: your slot, Umami, Rodemy
— Suspected by several players, possible lynch candidates but it would take some effort: Vaimes, Lastwhisper, Killjoy (he's technically tier 1.5 due to the not-roleblocker thing)
— Suspected by many players, almost guaranteed to be lynched: Jackrito, Slothful (both claimed vanilla)
I recommend working your way up the list so you can build relevant opinions early.
I'm up for the chopping block along with Jack.
Tom conf!scum. Rhand was desperado who shot at him earlier today.
Shadow/ZDS/GJ are lock-town to varying degrees.
Are you scum? Be honest.
More recently, you saw the Desperhando episode.
Welcome back
Let's roleplay, I'll be Chad from ZE Mafia, and you can be you
J/k let's not
Sloth and ZDS gave u the rundown, I have nothing else to add right now
Shine some light on that slot plz
Vaimes is a good candidate for scum #4 if you and Jack are both scum. Things get muddier if that's not the case. Grape/DBS is probably the last player I'll vote out of my personal POE (which excludes Uma and Rod), unless DBS's entry is particularly bad. If you flip town I'll make sure to re-check your ISOs. From what I've seen they don't contain anything majorly illogical or crazy anyway.
If Was not stuck in a potential self prez situation with Sloth, I would much perfer a Vaimes or Killjoy lynch but doubt that happens. Grapes spot bothers me but now it's being replaced no point lynching it though day . Also not my strongest scum read
Umami seems town. Same for Killjoy.
I saw Umami mentioned Vaimes was clearing players. Agree that scum attempt to shade, not clear. Don't remember Vaimes much, but inclined to give a townlean by extension of Umami. Around the 200th post or something.
Killjoy's posts seem like in ZE, so I'm thinking town.
Last (I prefer calling him that) also looks fine. Posts still seem unlike him, from what I remember. Scum!Tubba piling an RVS there looks....like he could be town?
Only saw Grape (my predecessor) post once. Looked bad.
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This is a pointless question.
Why don't you tell me what light my slot is in at the moment?
Be grateful, always."
Seriously this post. What heat? At most I've had 3 casual conversations on the topic, including yours. If it's affected anyone's views on me in a significant way, it has not been made obvious in the thread so I have definitely not picked up on it.
Moreover, I'm the leading wagon(s), sonny boy, none of this has earned me more attention that wasn't already on me. What heat is supposed to be making me back off?
(1) No, I don't want to push you right now. I could not have made that more clear, so not sure how you missed that.
(2) Yes. I've said this. I've actually answered both these questions clearly, why aren't you reading the posts?
Don't answer that. Just stop muddling the waters. If this will be a thing, it'll happen in its own time, and there are many scenarios I (still) find more likely despite your annoying responses.
If you think this isn't a good look for me just vote me and be done with it - why haven't you done that already? I am...not familiar with that term lol. What is it?
I wish more people were voting tbh :/ just. Voting, idk if it’s a lynch it would really help.
Slothful (2): Rod, Last
Last (1): shadow
Kj (1): Sloth
Not Voting (5): gj, dawning, Jack, Vaimes, kj
Deadline in 100 hours
I would like to specifically call out jack/vaimes/kj for unvoting in this gamestate. Dont give defend your choice just vote
There’s probably 1-2 scum in
ZDSTom
Johnny
Rod
Vaimes
Killjoy.And 1-2 in
RhandShadowGrapeDBS
Sloth
Jack
ITFAxel
Perhaps 0-1 in
Umami/Last
If I trust that Johnny+Shadow aren't doing crazy wolf things with that watch claim, then this is accurate.
I'll ISO Vaimes and Rod due to there likely being 1 in those 2. I'll give DBS some slack for now to get into the game and look into Jack and Sloth after that. Hopefully DBS is caught up by then.