Why the hell did Rhand choose anyone other than Killjoy as a target? Why the hell did anyone want anyone other than Killjoy as a target? I remember ZDS saying that Killjoy should be it and why and 100% agreeing - and then the tide turned out of nowhere? But it was town-led??? And the reasons didn't make any sense in any "this is why this kill should be better for town than Killjoy" way.
Are we operating under the possibility that this game has two townsided kill/lynch roles? (I do not care about semantics and it "not really being a kill role," so save it.)
I don't do mechanics or setup analysis but even to me that seems way too unbalanced for town.
Rhand should have shot KJ to confirm him or condemn him. There was no other choice. What the **** happened here, guys?
Hey guess who just spent the last 36 hours catching up on the entire game and just now finally got done.
Vote: Killjoy
@Jack seriously stop posting. I get it. You're town. If I have to suffer through another essay-long ISO where you say nothing of importance but I still drudge through anyway on the off-chance you do, I will refuse to do so unless drunk.
hi killjoy isnt currently an option because mechanics and math.
You caught up without posting while top wagon?
And you dont have thoughts youre aching to get out now?
I could not care less about math reasons. It could not be less relevant to me that Shadow jailed him. He is the right call.
As for your first question, yeah? Didn't really seem particularly important. I'll either save myself or I won't.
KJ's is from before his claim, actually. The claim just made it a thousand times worse.
I'm going to be posting my thoughts on short bursts until I'm done, so save any questions till the end.
Also, we have plenty of ******* day left, so since everyone's been waiting for me to do something, no one should be hurrying to hammer right now, I hope.
Please shoot Jack, he's very likely scum. In the small chance he's town, grape is scum.
Can you do a do-over of your jack case with everything that has unfolded so far? I've read bits and pieces on your post, but I don't understand this conviction for it. Perhaps I'm not understanding, so, ball's on your court.
Ftr, this is the only post I'm going to reference in regards to you wanting Jack dead, because there are way too many and all of them say the same basic thing.
Reminds me of your bit towards Font on DLP mountainous.
Except.
So town!last doesn't make this post.
Town!last makes all the other posts before it, but this post indicate a need to cover himself so other players don't take the fact that he isn't responding immediately as a reason to suspect him, which town!last is wouldn't consider nor be remotely worried about.
Maybe I'm not making the connection but I don't see how KJ's role is unbalanced with Rhand's. The desperado is one-shot, and by lynching [anyone] KJ's role is completely neutralized, unless he's scum with some sort of secondary ability.
Because the best use of my role is wait for lylo.
The reason I’m outing toDay is because you forced my hand. You would bullhead a wagon on me which is a waste of time and would’ve ended up with me claiming and shooting toDay and then not leaving enough time to reassess the lynch.
...Man this post I had set aside cause I actually had questions for rhand once I caught up.
What was with the hurry to have him shoot, guys? The Day ends in literally over a week, and I don't think we needed more than 3 days to assimilate the results of his shot.
So town!last doesn't make this post.
Town!last makes all the other posts before it, but this post indicate a need to cover himself so other players don't take the fact that he isn't responding immediately as a reason to suspect him, which town!last is wouldn't consider nor be remotely worried about.
Honey, no, you're scum this game? The betrayal.
Uhh, I'm not really townreading Whispy but this reason seems completely silly.
Maybe I'm not making the connection but I don't see how KJ's role is unbalanced with Rhand's. The desperado is one-shot, and by lynching [anyone] KJ's role is completely neutralized, unless he's scum with some sort of secondary ability.
They are two roles that allow a single player to take a kill/lynch entirely out of town's hands during the Day. That's plenty.
No, theres one role that can take a kill into his own hands
And (as claimed) one that can be *given* control of a lynch if we dont make a choice
I dont actually disagree the roles are less likely on the same team. Thats... somewhat mitigated by tubba having a killing aspect to his role though
And its definitely not this black and white
And, imo, the mechanics of <not being RB or performing a kill last night> is worth more than any of that (not towards being town per se, but as a reason to resolve others first
And ftr kj was my top scumread coming into today. And might still be if it was based on behavior only (though a fair amount of that is tubba behavior not kjs)
Well there goes my easy quick lunch lol
And nah, if rahdn didn't shoot when he did Id expect us to still be constantly thinking about over who we should actually be voting
No, theres one role that can take a kill into his own hands
And (as claimed) one that can be *given* control of a lynch if we dont make a choice
I dont actually disagree the roles are less likely on the same team. Thats... somewhat mitigated by tubba having a killing aspect to his role though
Eh, that really does nothing: All that means is that he never has to prove his role to us, unless we end up caring more about townfirming him than about getting a lynch in. Which will never happen. So I guess we just lynch him later rather than just now? Sounds like an awesome plan.
This is why Rhand's target was obvious. I doubt this was Silver's intention, but it pretty much acts as a perfect counter to KJ's role in an event they both claim.
Notice about Tubbba's role, btw: His extra kill only comes into place if everyone else is dead. Sounds a lot like how KJ's kill only comes into play if a "no lynch" happens, and can't follow town directive (hit the highest voted) so :shrugs:
Something annoying about Tubba is that you were wrong: he's "Godfather" and probably a strong role in endgame (where ideally his teammates would be dead). Yet I don't recall anyone trying to save him or use a cursory "let's have the cop check him!" defense that might have cleared him.
Scum probably knew he was a lost cause from the start, and it means
Like what's the scummiest thing coming out of Killjoy's iso, other than the way he claimed feels like trying to avoid being shot? And he can't really prove his role unless we play suboptimally?
Like what's the scummiest thing coming out of Killjoy's iso, other than the way he claimed feels like trying to avoid being shot? And he can't really prove his role unless we play suboptimally?
I actually haven't iso'd this game in forever
I'll ISO him in a bit and post the reasons I think he's scum, right now doing my catch up posts.
Anyway, the other person I think is probably scum is Umami...with the caveat that I wonder if I just scumread her as a rule. @Tom, you advocate for her strong towniness because she's playing like her townself - can you talk in more detail about that?
My only confirmed experience with her towngame is in DLP's mountainous.
This game is not that.
In Mountainous, she was amiable, friendly and grounded in logic.
In here she has bite, sliding in somewhat aggressive barbs to her analysis like "super odd and ridiculous", "rudely", "thinks that this game is the center of my universe", "memory of a goldfish", "hysterical nervous tic" when talking about others and even herself.
In Mountainous, she only did this when I started driving a wagon on her and she felt cornered, in here, she's just doing it in general.
This deviation makes me think she's scum, although I think it'd be the first instance where I've seen a scumgame being less diplomatic than a towngame.
Also, her analysis isn't...great? Thinking Rod is scum because Rod is obnoxious is a thing that a lot of people do when playing with him for the first time, but the fixation on Jack for reasons that I don't really get and her attempts at explaining it leave a lot of bland notes.
It reminds me of her tunnel on font - except I could buy the conviction on that, whereas here it seems a lot more staged.
Umami is also a very analytical player in a way that you can follow, which I'm not seeing here.
Also there's the rather bizarre defense of me, which others have mentioned, but seeing that I'm not scum and certainly not her buddy, not entirely sure what to make of it. Like, I don't see why she does this as town but I don't get the scum-intent on it either.
Willing to let go of Tubba read for now—reading back their stuff probably wasn’t that AI especially since people who have played with them before didn’t think much of it.
Still, screw this to the maximum degree - I do not buy this part of her post especially and feels like a staged derp. like, wtf lol
No, theres one role that can take a kill into his own hands
And (as claimed) one that can be *given* control of a lynch if we dont make a choice
I dont actually disagree the roles are less likely on the same team. Thats... somewhat mitigated by tubba having a killing aspect to his role though
Eh, that really does nothing: All that means is that he never has to prove his role to us, unless we end up caring more about townfirming him than about getting a lynch in. Which will never happen. So I guess we just lynch him later rather than just now? Sounds like an awesome plan.
This is why Rhand's target was obvious. I doubt this was Silver's intention, but it pretty much acts as a perfect counter to KJ's role in an event they both claim.
Notice about Tubbba's role, btw: His extra kill only comes into place if everyone else is dead. Sounds a lot like how KJ's kill only comes into play if a "no lynch" happens, and can't follow town directive (hit the highest voted) so :shrugs:
Something annoying about Tubba is that you were wrong: he's "Godfather" and probably a strong role in endgame (where ideally his teammates would be dead). Yet I don't recall anyone trying to save him or use a cursory "let's have the cop check him!" defense that might have cleared him.
Scum probably knew he was a lost cause from the start, and it means
that probably there's scum among the first non-cleared that voted him.
Hm. Jack, Last, Vaimes.
Kay. I don't remember why, but pretty sure they can't all be aligned (aside from the "too obvious a bus" bit, i guess)
he never has to prove his role to us, because i barely give a ***** about his role as his alignment is concerned. If its an outright lie to attempt to cause a no lynch, were not falling for it. If its an attempt to townclear himself on role... were not falling for it. If its a real role regardless of his alignment... i dont care about it
Yes. We lynch someone that can be the roleblocker while we have confirmed town power roles. We squeeze all the info out of them we can while theyre alive
If we hit the roleblocker, or they all die, kj is fully back on the menu
12 alive
Presumably 3 scum
Baseline =!rand is 25%. Same as at start of game
Me, zds, shadow, johnny confirmed town
3 wolves in remaining 8
New =!rand is 37.5%
This is where mechanics make kj less likely. You can take the mafia roleblocker out of the equation just like you take out the confirmed town
So his chances are 2 in 7, or 28.5%
Which is significant enough that hed have to be my strongest scumread by a pretty substantial amount to consider even if i wasnt worried about PRs
From those =!rands, i think sloth, jack, kj, and to a lesser extent vaimes are scummy.
Jack primarily for the shape of his umami read.
KJ for tubbas treatment of him and a general pattern of trying too hard to not make choices.
Sloth for a general malaise and really bad progressions.
Vaimes essentially the same lack of towniness as my early tubba read, but with awareness that vaimes has larger relative ranges and fairly little confidence.
I think grape, rodemy, last feel just
Fine for now
None are out of their scumranges i dont think.
They also all have flips in the tier below that inform reads on them significantly. Imo worth resolving everyone below first
This is most true for grape, who i think is solidly not aligned with jack, kj, and even umami if thats ever relevant...
And umami just feels town to me. It is however true that that read is quite stale and in the event jack is town i plan to read her fresh/with an entirely new method before i die. But i dont think i have it in me to reconsider with jack either still alive or flipped scum...
Kj "scummiest" getting +15 to his rand
Sloth and jack, also quite scummy. +10
Vaimes, just rounding up a little
Rod/last, just rounding down
Grape is well above rand in worlds where he isnt cleared by jack/kj (based on true rand not my reads that would be the most literal confirmation bias ever)
Umami given a courtesy percentage
Then round some stuff up based on feels because that didnt add up to quite enough
Bringing me to...
Tubba 100%
Jack 50%
Sloth 50%
KJ 45%
Vaimes 40%
<=randscum=>
Rod 35%
Last 35%
Grape 25%
Umami 10%
Shadow/gj/zds ~0% Axel/rhand/itf 0%
Yes. We lynch someone that can be the roleblocker while we have confirmed town power roles. We squeeze all the info out of them we can while theyre alive
If we hit the roleblocker, or they all die, kj is fully back on the menu
Sigh, this is essentially your plan from D2 with less certainty: There's no dichotomy of "one has to be scum", but you, me, and others appear to read KJ as scummy, but want to vote elsewhere for the chance to hit a better PR.
Given the lack of night-certainty, I see the merit, but I still don't like it, in no small part because the PoE apparently leaves me (who I know is Town) and Jack - who I'll self-preserve to if need be but I'm not seeing what you are in regards to his alignment. I guess I'll give him another look.
I'll bring up (for the last time and then drop it) that this wouldn't even be a proposed scenario if Rhand's target had just been KJ. I wasn't seeing the crying need to solve you, but whatever.
As a general aside, I'm not understanding why finding an RB is a higher priority over lynching a likely scum - though tbf, I know this is not the most popular opinion. I just don't particularly dictate my game around PRs unless I'm scum, there's just icing as town.
P.S. I'm not asking you to ISO Umami and create a new case, but do consider in what way is my comparison of her towngame to this one wrong.
Damn shadow got the year i was born, #2000, AND #2020
Wait, hold the phone, are you saying you're 20 years old?
thats not how commas work
I thought this was a "My name, John, is the password." situation.
Your vote on Jack just now, was it in response specifically to #2532 or just a change of mind on a whim giving he and I rank the same to you?
Yes ive read both you and jacks thoughts on umami and have absorbed them to a degree.
But just for you...
I dont think she was notably amiable in mountainous, or any less friendly here. I think shes a fair amount more sure of herself here, likely because shes under less pressure regardless of alignment.
I dont think she was notably amiable in mountainous, or any less friendly here. I think shes a fair amount more sure of herself here, likely because shes under less pressure regardless of alignment.
Agree to disagree - I'm seeing more aggression than I remember, and maybe that translates to nothing, but deviations to me mean something.
Maybe I'll talk to her Real Time and that'll change something.
Hm. Gotta go do adulting, but will be back tonight, or tomorrow at the latest.
This game is officially in my radar now, so we'll see if that changes anything.
I dont think deviations mean as much in general for a player as new as umami. The way she plays is still being formed.
But in general i think what difference there is in her play looks to be increased confidence. Which seems more in line with rolling town again than being scum.
As sad as I am my buddy died, I am not upset at the target. tom is an annoyingly scary player and knowing he is town takes a lot of pressure off my nips.
Tenative team of three of where I am is KJ/Sloth/deep wolf. Will try to put some more analysis tomorrow since I feel like I am on borrowed time.
Damn shadow got the year i was born, #2000, AND #2020
Wait, hold the phone, are you saying you're 20 years old?
thats not how commas work
I thought this was a "My name, John, is the password." situation.
Your vote on Jack just now, was it in response specifically to #2532 or just a change of mind on a whim giving he and I rank the same to you?
I may come back to you but in no rush to lynch you, if I do end up changing my mind I would go Vaimes KJ or Grape. I'm not seeing Wisp as scum here and Rod I'm more trusting how others see him he is just a bit wild imo I likely do a full review of him at some point but for now he can be town.
I think there's scum in Umami/Last/KJ/Grape - possibly the entire team.
If things start making no sense at all, my current tinfoil thought is that GJ could still be scum. Whoever can tell me why that's plausible gets a cookie
I think there's scum in Umami/Last/KJ/Grape - possibly the entire team.
If things start making no sense at all, my current tinfoil thought is that GJ could still be scum. Whoever can tell me why that's plausible gets a cookie
:eyeroll:
Because I could be a wolf watcher and decided to out my wolf buddy to go deep as someone who draws the night kill early most games I am town?
Eh, kinda close. Scum doesn't actually need a Watcher to know something happened N1, among other things. Here.
Do you really want to talk about this right now? Like I said, it's tinfoil and not something I'm actively pursuing. I was mostly fishing for immediate reactions.
Like yours, or darling Last's. Which I guess are noted if I have to revisit this.
I know scenarios where everyone but me the confirmedest town can be a wolf.
I also know theyre not worth talking about unless people other than PRs start dying
Sure, but that's only if you have the luxury of being reasonably certain of your chances of being around the next few Days, barring a protection/nk roulette coming down against you. Those of us likely-lynches don't have that, so I'm just trying to get all my thoughts out just in case.
Although I do want to hear what plausible scenario you have been able to conceive where ZDS and/or Shadow can be scum, 'cause even I have discarded those possibilities. Post-game chat, perhaps.
Tom is confirmed
Shadow being a wolf here means that both Tubba and him targeted ZDS? and they were playing someone kind of scum theater because town!GJ softed he had information. Actually scratch that, Shadow has to be real here, for the same reason ZDS is real
GJ being a wolf here means he is real, and double stacked the target? ZDS with Tubba, then immediately softed this information knowing Tubba probably dies here??? I guess the other world is he GJ lied, but idk what information he has, that explains why he throws tubba under the buss here
ZDS is actually confirmed here, because Tubba could not possibly target outside doing the KP, and no mod allows wolves to put the factional KP on their teammates
so out of the 3, GJ can still be a wolf
its pretty insane tinfoil, and not something I am thinking about, till like F7 or later
Are we operating under the possibility that this game has two townsided kill/lynch roles? (I do not care about semantics and it "not really being a kill role," so save it.)
I don't do mechanics or setup analysis but even to me that seems way too unbalanced for town.
Rhand should have shot KJ to confirm him or condemn him. There was no other choice. What the **** happened here, guys?
As for your first question, yeah? Didn't really seem particularly important. I'll either save myself or I won't.
Speaking of @shadow, I'm VT.
I'm going to be posting my thoughts on short bursts until I'm done, so save any questions till the end.
Also, we have plenty of ******* day left, so since everyone's been waiting for me to do something, no one should be hurrying to hammer right now, I hope.
Ftr, this is the only post I'm going to reference in regards to you wanting Jack dead, because there are way too many and all of them say the same basic thing.
Reminds me of your bit towards Font on DLP mountainous.
Except.
Town!last makes all the other posts before it, but this post indicate a need to cover himself so other players don't take the fact that he isn't responding immediately as a reason to suspect him, which town!last is wouldn't consider nor be remotely worried about.
Honey, no, you're scum this game? The betrayal.
What was with the hurry to have him shoot, guys? The Day ends in literally over a week, and I don't think we needed more than 3 days to assimilate the results of his shot.
And (as claimed) one that can be *given* control of a lynch if we dont make a choice
I dont actually disagree the roles are less likely on the same team. Thats... somewhat mitigated by tubba having a killing aspect to his role though
And its definitely not this black and white
And, imo, the mechanics of <not being RB or performing a kill last night> is worth more than any of that (not towards being town per se, but as a reason to resolve others first
And nah, if rahdn didn't shoot when he did Id expect us to still be constantly thinking about over who we should actually be voting
This is why Rhand's target was obvious. I doubt this was Silver's intention, but it pretty much acts as a perfect counter to KJ's role in an event they both claim.
Notice about Tubbba's role, btw: His extra kill only comes into place if everyone else is dead. Sounds a lot like how KJ's kill only comes into play if a "no lynch" happens, and can't follow town directive (hit the highest voted) so :shrugs:
Something annoying about Tubba is that you were wrong: he's "Godfather" and probably a strong role in endgame (where ideally his teammates would be dead). Yet I don't recall anyone trying to save him or use a cursory "let's have the cop check him!" defense that might have cleared him.
Scum probably knew he was a lost cause from the start, and it means
Gentleman Johnny,shadowlancerx,Rhand, Jackrito, Lastwhisper, Vaimes,ZeDorkSlipeur, Slothful)Hm. Jack, Last, Vaimes.
Kay. I don't remember why, but pretty sure they can't all be aligned (aside from the "too obvious a bus" bit, i guess)
If we weren't to do bottoms-up, who would it be?
I actually haven't iso'd this game in forever
@Tom, you advocate for her strong towniness because she's playing like her townself - can you talk in more detail about that?
My only confirmed experience with her towngame is in DLP's mountainous.
This game is not that.
In Mountainous, she was amiable, friendly and grounded in logic.
In here she has bite, sliding in somewhat aggressive barbs to her analysis like "super odd and ridiculous", "rudely", "thinks that this game is the center of my universe", "memory of a goldfish", "hysterical nervous tic" when talking about others and even herself.
In Mountainous, she only did this when I started driving a wagon on her and she felt cornered, in here, she's just doing it in general.
This deviation makes me think she's scum, although I think it'd be the first instance where I've seen a scumgame being less diplomatic than a towngame.
Also, her analysis isn't...great? Thinking Rod is scum because Rod is obnoxious is a thing that a lot of people do when playing with him for the first time, but the fixation on Jack for reasons that I don't really get and her attempts at explaining it leave a lot of bland notes.
It reminds me of her tunnel on font - except I could buy the conviction on that, whereas here it seems a lot more staged.
Umami is also a very analytical player in a way that you can follow, which I'm not seeing here.
Also there's the rather bizarre defense of me, which others have mentioned, but seeing that I'm not scum and certainly not her buddy, not entirely sure what to make of it. Like, I don't see why she does this as town but I don't get the scum-intent on it either.
Still, screw this to the maximum degree - I do not buy this part of her post especially and feels like a staged derp. like, wtf lol
Still, About the gif? Yes. Yes I am.
Yes. We lynch someone that can be the roleblocker while we have confirmed town power roles. We squeeze all the info out of them we can while theyre alive
If we hit the roleblocker, or they all die, kj is fully back on the menu
I like sloth's recent fire not sure if it makes him town, but willing to give him space for now and do a full review on him as well.
Presumably 3 scum
Baseline =!rand is 25%. Same as at start of game
Me, zds, shadow, johnny confirmed town
3 wolves in remaining 8
New =!rand is 37.5%
This is where mechanics make kj less likely. You can take the mafia roleblocker out of the equation just like you take out the confirmed town
So his chances are 2 in 7, or 28.5%
Which is significant enough that hed have to be my strongest scumread by a pretty substantial amount to consider even if i wasnt worried about PRs
From those =!rands, i think sloth, jack, kj, and to a lesser extent vaimes are scummy.
Jack primarily for the shape of his umami read.
KJ for tubbas treatment of him and a general pattern of trying too hard to not make choices.
Sloth for a general malaise and really bad progressions.
Vaimes essentially the same lack of towniness as my early tubba read, but with awareness that vaimes has larger relative ranges and fairly little confidence.
I think grape, rodemy, last feel just
Fine for now
None are out of their scumranges i dont think.
They also all have flips in the tier below that inform reads on them significantly. Imo worth resolving everyone below first
This is most true for grape, who i think is solidly not aligned with jack, kj, and even umami if thats ever relevant...
And umami just feels town to me. It is however true that that read is quite stale and in the event jack is town i plan to read her fresh/with an entirely new method before i die. But i dont think i have it in me to reconsider with jack either still alive or flipped scum...
Sloth and jack, also quite scummy. +10
Vaimes, just rounding up a little
Rod/last, just rounding down
Grape is well above rand in worlds where he isnt cleared by jack/kj (based on true rand not my reads that would be the most literal confirmation bias ever)
Umami given a courtesy percentage
Then round some stuff up based on feels because that didnt add up to quite enough
Bringing me to...
Tubba 100%Jack 50%
Sloth 50%
KJ 45%
Vaimes 40%
<=randscum=>
Rod 35%
Last 35%
Grape 25%
Umami 10%
Shadow/gj/zds ~0%
Axel/rhand/itf 0%Given the lack of night-certainty, I see the merit, but I still don't like it, in no small part because the PoE apparently leaves me (who I know is Town) and Jack - who I'll self-preserve to if need be but I'm not seeing what you are in regards to his alignment. I guess I'll give him another look.
I'll bring up (for the last time and then drop it) that this wouldn't even be a proposed scenario if Rhand's target had just been KJ. I wasn't seeing the crying need to solve you, but whatever.
As a general aside, I'm not understanding why finding an RB is a higher priority over lynching a likely scum - though tbf, I know this is not the most popular opinion. I just don't particularly dictate my game around PRs unless I'm scum, there's just icing as town.
P.S. I'm not asking you to ISO Umami and create a new case, but do consider in what way is my comparison of her towngame to this one wrong.
I thought this was a "My name, John, is the password." situation.
Your vote on Jack just now, was it in response specifically to #2532 or just a change of mind on a whim giving he and I rank the same to you?
Not the "P.S." though - at least not in a way I need. Humor me.
But just for you...
I dont think she was notably amiable in mountainous, or any less friendly here. I think shes a fair amount more sure of herself here, likely because shes under less pressure regardless of alignment.
Agree to disagree - I'm seeing more aggression than I remember, and maybe that translates to nothing, but deviations to me mean something.
Maybe I'll talk to her Real Time and that'll change something.
Hm. Gotta go do adulting, but will be back tonight, or tomorrow at the latest.
This game is officially in my radar now, so we'll see if that changes anything.
Happy mother's day all!
But in general i think what difference there is in her play looks to be increased confidence. Which seems more in line with rolling town again than being scum.
Happy Mothers Day by the way.
As sad as I am my buddy died, I am not upset at the target. tom is an annoyingly scary player and knowing he is town takes a lot of pressure off my nips.
Tenative team of three of where I am is KJ/Sloth/deep wolf. Will try to put some more analysis tomorrow since I feel like I am on borrowed time.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I may come back to you but in no rush to lynch you, if I do end up changing my mind I would go Vaimes KJ or Grape. I'm not seeing Wisp as scum here and Rod I'm more trusting how others see him he is just a bit wild imo I likely do a full review of him at some point but for now he can be town.
I think there's scum in Umami/Last/KJ/Grape - possibly the entire team.
If things start making no sense at all, my current tinfoil thought is that GJ could still be scum. Whoever can tell me why that's plausible gets a cookie
I also know theyre not worth talking about unless people other than PRs start dying
can I get the cookie even if I don't have a response?
:eyeroll:
Because I could be a wolf watcher and decided to out my wolf buddy to go deep as someone who draws the night kill early most games I am town?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Do you really want to talk about this right now? Like I said, it's tinfoil and not something I'm actively pursuing. I was mostly fishing for immediate reactions.
Like yours, or darling Last's. Which I guess are noted if I have to revisit this.
Sure, but that's only if you have the luxury of being reasonably certain of your chances of being around the next few Days, barring a protection/nk roulette coming down against you. Those of us likely-lynches don't have that, so I'm just trying to get all my thoughts out just in case.
Although I do want to hear what plausible scenario you have been able to conceive where ZDS and/or Shadow can be scum, 'cause even I have discarded those possibilities. Post-game chat, perhaps.
Shadow being a wolf here means that both Tubba and him targeted ZDS? and they were playing someone kind of scum theater because town!GJ softed he had information. Actually scratch that, Shadow has to be real here, for the same reason ZDS is real
GJ being a wolf here means he is real, and double stacked the target? ZDS with Tubba, then immediately softed this information knowing Tubba probably dies here??? I guess the other world is he GJ lied, but idk what information he has, that explains why he throws tubba under the buss here
ZDS is actually confirmed here, because Tubba could not possibly target outside doing the KP, and no mod allows wolves to put the factional KP on their teammates
so out of the 3, GJ can still be a wolf
its pretty insane tinfoil, and not something I am thinking about, till like F7 or later