I've changed my mind again. So much for saying I wouldn't.
Desperavote: Jack
If he's scum, I'll pull KJ all the way up from must-die to probably town. 2261 reeked of opportunism (summarising other people's arguments, adding nothing except for a generic "oh no reading people is hard") and I can't ignore Jack only suggests lynching KJ, not shooting him.
If he's town, at least we get tom and Grape and Uma and Whispy (am I missing anyone?) off his butt.
Lynch should be Sloth (whatever happens with Jack) or KJ (if Jack is town).
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Hang in there Johnny
i agree except the clearing kj part
Its absolutely opportunistic but the opportunity hes taking makes sense as a bus too imo
Would still go through jack/sloth first though i think theyre partners still
Ok I reread the game and really don’t want to leave a legacy because I keep waffling on everyone. I feel I would hurt more than I would help.
Reading the reactions to my shot, I think the team is tom / Sloth / ?
I’m going to go for what I think is the most powerful shot: tom
If he’s town, we add a 4th strong town member to the pool of confirmed town.
If he’s scum, we cut off the mafia team’s head.
welp lets hope its a hit
Umami and Jack give me wolf/wolf vibes
dude just jumps in to tell us to lynch or shoot Jackrito
that's pretty much all he does now
welp lets hope its a hit
Umami and Jack give me wolf/wolf vibes
dude just jumps in to tell us to lynch or shoot Jackrito
that's pretty much all he does now
I know it happened in that other game but I don't actively tell my teammates to tunnel me and tunnel them vise versa. In the ideal world I like to powerwolf so find this wolf/wolf read a bit weird. Wolf town I get but both is a bit much.
Ok I reread the game and really don’t want to leave a legacy because I keep waffling on everyone. I feel I would hurt more than I would help.
Reading the reactions to my shot, I think the team is tom / Sloth / ?
I’m going to go for what I think is the most powerful shot: tom
If he’s town, we add a 4th strong town member to the pool of confirmed town.
If he’s scum, we cut off the mafia team’s head.
Shoot: tomsloger
I'm fine with this if wolf he was always going to be one of the more tricky slots and if town it takes away a lot of the paranoia that could be pointed at that slot. So overall I think that this is a good use of the shot rather then using it on someone that will likely be lynched today anyway. They was a case for KJ but this is still good use.
meh we will see
Kinda wish you were shot, so I don't have to think about your slot anymore
or Sloth, which hopefully gets replaced?
but also fair, I should probably think w/v first, given you would probably be yelling at Umami if you were wolves together
you can probably see where I am getting this feeling from though
Quitrilis Yurke saw the giant Oct ship immediately ahead and knew he was about to die.
Something flashed on the spread of retro control panel in front of him (he’d specced that himself). “Quitrilis,” the ship’s voice said. “What—?”
“Sorry,” Quitrilis had time to say as the gantried, openwork innards of the Oct ship expanded in front of him, filling the ahead-view utterly now, getting down to detail.
Maybe they could fly through, he thought, but knew they couldn’t.
Quitrilis closed his eyes. He waited for death. He’d been backed up before he left home, obviously, but he’d been away over five hundred days and changed immensely in that time. He was profoundly and maturely a different person compared to the brash young lad who’d sailed off in his persuadable accomplice ship. This would be a very real death.
He was just starting to think that, hey, you really could squeeze a lot of thoughts into a second or two when you knew you were about to die when the ship said, quite calmly, “Quitrilis?”
He opened his eyes. Not dead.
And nothing but the old star-specked depths of space ahead. Eh?
“Did we dodge that thing?” he said, gulping.
“No,” the ship said. “We went right through it because it’s not a real ship; it’s little better than a hologram.”
“I wonder how many of the others are just pretend too.” The Now We Try It My Way sounded puzzled. “I’m sending a burst to my old Systems Vehicle about this. Something’s not right here.”
Quitrilis waved his arms around and waggled his toes. “But we’re alive!” he yelled, ecstatic. “We’re alive!”
“I am not disagreeing, Quitrilis. However . . . Wait. We’re being target– !”
The beam from the original, first-arrived Primarian ship burst all around them, turning the little craft and the single human inside it entirely into plasma within a few hundred milliseconds.
This time, Quitrilis Yurke didn’t have time to think anything at all.Rhand has attempted to kill tomsloger, but died instead.
He was:
Pone Hippinse, an Avatoid of the Liveware Problem Town Desperado
“Not really,” the avatoid confessed, sounding both embarrassed and concerned. “Whatever’s corrupting it is almost untouchably exotic. Genuinely alien; unknown. In fact, right now, unknowable. I’d need the ship’s whole Mind to start attacking this *****.” -- Pone Hippinse
Avatoids are biomechanical beings created by the Culture’s hyper-intelligent AIs and given a fragment of the mind’s personality. Pone Hippinse accompanies the heroes on their journey into the shellworld Sursamen where his ship, the Liveware Problem, cannot.
CREW [Active] (1-shot): Once per game during a Day phase, you may try to shoot any player by posting “Shoot: [player name]” in bold on its own line in the main game thread. If that player is a member of the mafia, they will die. If that player is town, you will die instead.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
I dont believe i was in the poe at all. A total of rodemy was scumreading me. Jack and kj didnt even think they could get away with pushing me even though they clearly wanted to
@ZDS: Do you know how much work that ends up being for me? And then when I can't maintain it I end up heavily scumread in the late game anyway, so it literally was pointless since my reads are gonna be mostly wrong anyway. That's why I've been trying to change my style. The effort I put in is not worth the result.
@tom: Dude, just realize you can't read me. You've been chronically wrong for the past game and a half.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
When did I become so low to you? I understand being in the red half but expected a little bit higher based off previous comments just intrested more then anything.
Tom: "Just realize you scum read me every game"
Killjoy: "just realize you can't read me"
neither of those really say anything about this game
at least Tom is confirmed now, still think it was a bad shot overall, and pretty much just paranioa
we should just go up the ladder, starting with Sloth
Jack/Umami is also somewhere where I want to solve, the likelihood of T/T is dwindling at this point
one of them probably has to be a wolf
Tom being cleared is great for the gamestate since he had the best chance of being an deep wolf out of those that are cleared. Not so good for my own chances, but should be pretty clear by now not overly cared about my own surivial rather then the towns. Best thing to do with my time is look at Vaimes and Wisp since don't really have a strong lean on them.
I would perfer a Grape or Sloth lynch today atm since both are doing nothing based off my isos from yesterday. I still live in that Umani world also since their play is only OMGUS on me and how they seem ready to chainsaw on Grape once I flip town bothers the hell out of me but never getting that today. I think Rod is town his posts and tone feel very real to me never seen him as scum though so not sure how he would play but he is the least of my worries at the moment. Killjoy is also a ? but with the jail on him can leave him for today I guess even though my eariler points still stand.
welp lets hope its a hit
Umami and Jack give me wolf/wolf vibes
dude just jumps in to tell us to lynch or shoot Jackrito
that's pretty much all he does now
Last just confirmed a 4 man scum team i think.
If you hope tom is a hit. And we have lynched tubba. and STILL think there are 2 other scum.. well that could just as well be TMI.
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Yes i missed rhand tinfoiling me today. I just remembered his derpclear from yesterday and the fact he usually properly gives me the benefit of the doubt until im wrong on something
And this is where i get to use my confirmed status to be an ******** and remind everyone ive literally been right about every confirmed player except a nullread of johnny
I townread itf, rhand, axel, shadow, and zds
I scumread tubba AND deduced something about his role
@Jack: 2261 and 2262 look really bad. Talk to me about your mindset in those and what the point was in each.
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I’m also good with a sloth lynch, think it might be a better lynch, but his absence makes it hard to gauge.
Ok I just reread them not really seeing the issues but I will explain the mindset of them. 2261 was just me giving my view on the KJ situation because had not done so and explaining why I'm fine with the shot or lynching them based off how the claim was made and how I feel about it. Then saying that I want to read them at some point because were unsure on an claim better to base off content as well because mechs can swing both ways.
2nd the first half is a bit weird so can see how that would bother you, it was partly to explain that what I said can come from town if they were not living in a biased world. On the scum range part I just don't see any reason what to hide what I would do as scum Wisp just saw me in a scum game which is why he is suddenly paranoid of me today, so no point pretending that I would not do certain things, but even I have my limits which asking to get shot I'm not that defeatist as mafia it is where I get my most joy from and would not do that to team out of respect.
The second half was more me just pointing out how poor their reasons are for what has turned into a tunnel and most people just ignore it but Tom killed me for tunneling on them. I talked about the both worlds part because I'm giving the benefit that they could be town who just got stuck on me but what they are doing is a easy way to hide scum intent and lack interactions. I don't think Umani even read most of today or anything and are just living off the day one reads and pushing me to keep up appearances. My biggest issue is their chainsaw logic of lynching Grape after me if you think that is normal then I disagree.
So overall that is why I did both posts to share my views on two current people at that time, really not sure what the issue was.
welp lets hope its a hit
Umami and Jack give me wolf/wolf vibes
dude just jumps in to tell us to lynch or shoot Jackrito
that's pretty much all he does now
Last just confirmed a 4 man scum team i think.
If you hope tom is a hit. And we have lynched tubba. and STILL think there are 2 other scum.. well that could just as well be TMI.
with a 16 player game anything but 4 wolves would be strange
welp lets hope its a hit
Umami and Jack give me wolf/wolf vibes
dude just jumps in to tell us to lynch or shoot Jackrito
that's pretty much all he does now
Last just confirmed a 4 man scum team i think.
If you hope tom is a hit. And we have lynched tubba. and STILL think there are 2 other scum.. well that could just as well be TMI.
with a 16 player game anything but 4 wolves would be strange
Okay. Didn't know tbh. I guess i was thinking about prison where there were 3 mafia. But there was a NUET involved so... *shrug* oh well.
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Sorry for scum reading you tom. But it worked itself out. And on d3 none the less!
dont be sorry
Learn
You should know that i know how to make you townread me. Its by thinking less (well, posting about less of them) and it would make everyone else scumread me.
Thats not ideal
Putting aside for now
1. Grapefruit21, 15. Killjoy (Grape for the reaction to KJ's claim, KJ because of shadow's evidence)
Priority pool
5. Jackrito, 9. Vaimes, 10. Lastwhisper, 12. M plus 7 Slothful
I don't have a strong preference between those four. Odds are there are 2-3 scum among them.
My biggest issue with the current situation is we are only allowed 2 mislynches before MyLo. If we use both on Jack and Sloth and they are both town, things could get ugly. (We wouldn't have this problem if Rhand had listened, but if I keep beating that dead horse PETA will send its assassins to my house.)
The in between sizes have more wiggle room
A 14 player game could have 3 wolves with some power or 4 and town has some power
There can be less wolves if theres neutrals
Or more if town have a lot of confirms
Its absolutely opportunistic but the opportunity hes taking makes sense as a bus too imo
Would still go through jack/sloth first though i think theyre partners still
Reading the reactions to my shot, I think the team is tom / Sloth / ?
I’m going to go for what I think is the most powerful shot: tom
If he’s town, we add a 4th strong town member to the pool of confirmed town.
If he’s scum, we cut off the mafia team’s head.
Shoot: tomsloger
Shadow approves of this shot. Rhand, if you die, it’s been fun. If you don’t, good freaking show.
Oh, since it doesn’t matter now if I keep this under wraps, Umami is a very probable buddy for Tom if he’s scum.
Umami and Jack give me wolf/wolf vibes
dude just jumps in to tell us to lynch or shoot Jackrito
that's pretty much all he does now
I know it happened in that other game but I don't actively tell my teammates to tunnel me and tunnel them vise versa. In the ideal world I like to powerwolf so find this wolf/wolf read a bit weird. Wolf town I get but both is a bit much.
I'm fine with this if wolf he was always going to be one of the more tricky slots and if town it takes away a lot of the paranoia that could be pointed at that slot. So overall I think that this is a good use of the shot rather then using it on someone that will likely be lynched today anyway. They was a case for KJ but this is still good use.
Kinda wish you were shot, so I don't have to think about your slot anymore
or Sloth, which hopefully gets replaced?
but also fair, I should probably think w/v first, given you would probably be yelling at Umami if you were wolves together
you can probably see where I am getting this feeling from though
Something flashed on the spread of retro control panel in front of him (he’d specced that himself). “Quitrilis,” the ship’s voice said. “What—?”
“Sorry,” Quitrilis had time to say as the gantried, openwork innards of the Oct ship expanded in front of him, filling the ahead-view utterly now, getting down to detail.
Maybe they could fly through, he thought, but knew they couldn’t.
Quitrilis closed his eyes. He waited for death. He’d been backed up before he left home, obviously, but he’d been away over five hundred days and changed immensely in that time. He was profoundly and maturely a different person compared to the brash young lad who’d sailed off in his persuadable accomplice ship. This would be a very real death.
He was just starting to think that, hey, you really could squeeze a lot of thoughts into a second or two when you knew you were about to die when the ship said, quite calmly, “Quitrilis?”
He opened his eyes. Not dead.
And nothing but the old star-specked depths of space ahead. Eh?
“Did we dodge that thing?” he said, gulping.
“No,” the ship said. “We went right through it because it’s not a real ship; it’s little better than a hologram.”
“I wonder how many of the others are just pretend too.” The Now We Try It My Way sounded puzzled. “I’m sending a burst to my old Systems Vehicle about this. Something’s not right here.”
Quitrilis waved his arms around and waggled his toes. “But we’re alive!” he yelled, ecstatic. “We’re alive!”
“I am not disagreeing, Quitrilis. However . . . Wait. We’re being target– !”
The beam from the original, first-arrived Primarian ship burst all around them, turning the little craft and the single human inside it entirely into plasma within a few hundred milliseconds.
This time, Quitrilis Yurke didn’t have time to think anything at all.
Rhand has attempted to kill tomsloger, but died instead.
He was:
Town Desperado
“Not really,” the avatoid confessed, sounding both embarrassed and concerned. “Whatever’s corrupting it is almost untouchably exotic. Genuinely alien; unknown. In fact, right now, unknowable. I’d need the ship’s whole Mind to start attacking this *****.” -- Pone Hippinse
Avatoids are biomechanical beings created by the Culture’s hyper-intelligent AIs and given a fragment of the mind’s personality. Pone Hippinse accompanies the heroes on their journey into the shellworld Sursamen where his ship, the Liveware Problem, cannot.
CREW [Active] (1-shot): Once per game during a Day phase, you may try to shoot any player by posting “Shoot: [player name]” in bold on its own line in the main game thread. If that player is a member of the mafia, they will die. If that player is town, you will die instead.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to achieve a majority.
It is still Day 3. You may continue posting.
Day 3 ends at 11:59:59 PM Eastern Time on 16 May 2020.
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everything just seems to go wrong for mafia, and 3 people are town-firmed
with possibly another?
makes caring a little rough for me again
Vote Sloth
A good place to start as any.
So bad
Wagons, away!
tomsloger
ZeDorkSlipeur
Gentleman Johnny
Umami
Killjoy (not RB/killer N2)
Rodemy
Vaimes
Grapefruit21
Lastwhisper
Jackrito
Sloth
Though I'd swap my name with Umami's and make it a little more purple, to match my avatar.
I can buy the argument that we could have a scum flip that does a good job of clearing you, but the hero shot at you is still fine.
Would you actually swap with Umami or just slot in right above her?
vote jack
Kill this
Not mad. Disappointed
@rhand
Vote Jack
@ZDS: Do you know how much work that ends up being for me? And then when I can't maintain it I end up heavily scumread in the late game anyway, so it literally was pointless since my reads are gonna be mostly wrong anyway. That's why I've been trying to change my style. The effort I put in is not worth the result.
@tom: Dude, just realize you can't read me. You've been chronically wrong for the past game and a half.
When did I become so low to you? I understand being in the red half but expected a little bit higher based off previous comments just intrested more then anything.
Killjoy: "just realize you can't read me"
neither of those really say anything about this game
at least Tom is confirmed now, still think it was a bad shot overall, and pretty much just paranioa
we should just go up the ladder, starting with Sloth
Jack/Umami is also somewhere where I want to solve, the likelihood of T/T is dwindling at this point
one of them probably has to be a wolf
I have no reason to townread this after my Iso yesterday was just waiting to see who got shot first or if he would ever show up.
i gave it up and im reading tubba for partners
Did i quit evolving that first one so i could technically be right either way:
Yes
Are we lynching jack and sloth first because of shadow jailing you and no other reason:
Also yes
********
I’m also good with a sloth lynch, think it might be a better lynch, but his absence makes it hard to gauge.
I would perfer a Grape or Sloth lynch today atm since both are doing nothing based off my isos from yesterday. I still live in that Umani world also since their play is only OMGUS on me and how they seem ready to chainsaw on Grape once I flip town bothers the hell out of me but never getting that today. I think Rod is town his posts and tone feel very real to me never seen him as scum though so not sure how he would play but he is the least of my worries at the moment. Killjoy is also a ? but with the jail on him can leave him for today I guess even though my eariler points still stand.
Vote: Jackrito
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With a full vig the game could be over by the end of Night 2. It's not particularly relevant.
Nope:
KJ you've got to find a middle ground somehow.
vote slothful
Last just confirmed a 4 man scum team i think.
If you hope tom is a hit. And we have lynched tubba. and STILL think there are 2 other scum.. well that could just as well be TMI.
And this is where i get to use my confirmed status to be an ******** and remind everyone ive literally been right about every confirmed player except a nullread of johnny
I townread itf, rhand, axel, shadow, and zds
I scumread tubba AND deduced something about his role
Listen to tom more.
Ok I just reread them not really seeing the issues but I will explain the mindset of them. 2261 was just me giving my view on the KJ situation because had not done so and explaining why I'm fine with the shot or lynching them based off how the claim was made and how I feel about it. Then saying that I want to read them at some point because were unsure on an claim better to base off content as well because mechs can swing both ways.
2nd the first half is a bit weird so can see how that would bother you, it was partly to explain that what I said can come from town if they were not living in a biased world. On the scum range part I just don't see any reason what to hide what I would do as scum Wisp just saw me in a scum game which is why he is suddenly paranoid of me today, so no point pretending that I would not do certain things, but even I have my limits which asking to get shot I'm not that defeatist as mafia it is where I get my most joy from and would not do that to team out of respect.
The second half was more me just pointing out how poor their reasons are for what has turned into a tunnel and most people just ignore it but Tom killed me for tunneling on them. I talked about the both worlds part because I'm giving the benefit that they could be town who just got stuck on me but what they are doing is a easy way to hide scum intent and lack interactions. I don't think Umani even read most of today or anything and are just living off the day one reads and pushing me to keep up appearances. My biggest issue is their chainsaw logic of lynching Grape after me if you think that is normal then I disagree.
So overall that is why I did both posts to share my views on two current people at that time, really not sure what the issue was.
Okay. Didn't know tbh. I guess i was thinking about prison where there were 3 mafia. But there was a NUET involved so... *shrug* oh well.
Learn
You should know that i know how to make you townread me. Its by thinking less (well, posting about less of them) and it would make everyone else scumread me.
Thats not ideal
<3
2. ZeDorkSlipeur, 3. Gentleman Johnny, 7. shadowlancerx, 8. tomsloger
Subjectively cleared
11. Umami, 13. Rodemy
Putting aside for now
1. Grapefruit21, 15. Killjoy (Grape for the reaction to KJ's claim, KJ because of shadow's evidence)
Priority pool
5. Jackrito, 9. Vaimes, 10. Lastwhisper, 12. M plus 7 Slothful
I don't have a strong preference between those four. Odds are there are 2-3 scum among them.
My biggest issue with the current situation is we are only allowed 2 mislynches before MyLo. If we use both on Jack and Sloth and they are both town, things could get ugly. (We wouldn't have this problem if Rhand had listened, but if I keep beating that dead horse PETA will send its assassins to my house.)
5 in 20
4 in 16
3 in 12
The in between sizes have more wiggle room
A 14 player game could have 3 wolves with some power or 4 and town has some power
There can be less wolves if theres neutrals
Or more if town have a lot of confirms
But its further to go from 16
And rhands flip heavily implies no neutrals
So its probably just 4
Rodemy
Gentleman Johnny
tomsloger
shadowlancerx
ZeDorkSliper
Jackrito
Killjoy
Grapefruit21
Umami
Lastwhisper
Vaimes
Slothful
I have a reads list and it pretty much is useless..