Anyway @KJ Why aren't you confident? What makes you think that Tubba is town here? Beyond general uncertainty. Like I get tom's stated desire for 3>2 and wanting to go for the high upside play but I'm not following your resistance here.
There's no resistance. You're jumping the gun.
There are three possible scum (two more likely than the third) but you're not even considering other possibilities. My issue isn't that I think he's town, it's that you didn't even look at Shadow. Also his meta isn't that easy to read.
You're just not... doing the due dilegence and I don't like that.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
There are three possible scum (two more likely than the third) but you're not even considering other possibilities. My issue isn't that I think he's town, it's that you didn't even look at Shadow. Also his meta isn't that easy to read.
You're just not... doing the due dilegence and I don't like that.
Maybe the fact that I did this in catch up made it less obvious but I did consider the possibilities, then I kept reading and I became very confident that Tubba was scum. And his meta isn't that easy, but crumpled wolves tend to look the same. I know because I've been there a few times.
There are three possible scum (two more likely than the third) but you're not even considering other possibilities. My issue isn't that I think he's town, it's that you didn't even look at Shadow. Also his meta isn't that easy to read.
You're just not... doing the due dilegence and I don't like that.
Maybe the fact that I did this in catch up made it less obvious but I did consider the possibilities, then I kept reading and I became very confident that Tubba was scum. And his meta isn't that easy, but crumpled wolves tend to look the same. I know because I've been there a few times.
All the more reason for you to take your time. We have a week till deadline, You're rushing into a scumread on the consensus suspect, which is suspicious to me.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Anyway the gist of it was he was pushing both Wisp and Umami at one point using the actually gross imagery of "rolling around each other’s mouths". He nakedly voted Rhand at the start of toDay and that's the main things he's done. I'm inclined to town block all of ZDS, Shadow, Umami, Wisp, and GJ if Tubba does flip here.
I'm trying to decide if it's meaningful. Jack doesn't seem noticeably stronger toDay than D1. The random announcement that he was going to tunnel Umami again was very underwhelming...
The lack of more day happening before GJ softed is frustrating because there is so little to analyze. Like I can dig a little into Axel actually trying to analyze Tubba's posts as a good look for him but there isn't much of that.
I think tom's stubborness here that we should solve this another day is probably townie (ignoring the paranoid part of me that thinks he's just trying to buy Tubba a day to fire a night action here).
Top of head reads:
Grape
ZDS/GJ
Umami/Shadow
Tom/Last
Axel
Rhand/KJ/Sloth/Rod
Vaimes
I dont really have an opinion on jacks tone, changing or otherwise.
His exposition continues to be pretty far from his actions. Especially wrt umami and itf.
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Sloth read sorta comes from the differences i saw between prison block and the dlp mountainous.
I keep thinking about him in terms of the basketball analogy (you may have missed it i called him old carmelo anthony earlier) but what it comes down to is he feels way more like the scum game
Anyway the gist of it was he was pushing both Wisp and Umami at one point using the actually gross imagery of "rolling around each other’s mouths". He nakedly voted Rhand at the start of toDay and that's the main things he's done. I'm inclined to town block all of ZDS, Shadow, Umami, Wisp, and GJ if Tubba does flip here.
I dont really have an opinion on jacks tone, changing or otherwise.
His exposition continues to be pretty far from his actions. Especially wrt umami and itf.
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Sloth read sorta comes from the differences i saw between prison block and the dlp mountainous.
I keep thinking about him in terms of the basketball analogy (you may have missed it i called him old carmelo anthony earlier) but what it comes down to is he feels way more like the scum game
Hes hollow
I agree here too. I said he's stiff. You said hollow. He's probably engorged with blood.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Anyway the gist of it was he was pushing both Wisp and Umami at one point using the actually gross imagery of "rolling around each other’s mouths". He nakedly voted Rhand at the start of toDay and that's the main things he's done. I'm inclined to town block all of ZDS, Shadow, Umami, Wisp, and GJ if Tubba does flip here.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I think tom's stubborness here that we should solve this another day is probably townie (ignoring the paranoid part of me that thinks he's just trying to buy Tubba a day to fire a night action here).
im gonna be so insufferable when tubba flips goon and PRs start dying
@Rhand what? And it's finally a game now. I don't think we've ever gone this long in a game without you scum reading me.
@tom I'll have to take a look. I remember seeing something about him easing into midrange shots (or along those lines anyway) but I didn't take much away from it.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Preemptive psuedo V/LA: nights and weekends are going to be spotty for me moving forward. I'm moving in a couple weeks and my life is boxes and packing right now.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
As soon as Ferbin saw the knights Vollird and Baerth he knew they were here to kill him. He knew precisely who they were. They had stood on either side of the interior of the door at the abandoned factory where his father had been killed.
“And you, sirs,” Holse said, hand still resting on the pommel of his long knife, “who would you be?”
The taller knight looked at Ferbin as he said, “Do us the courtesy of informing your servant that we don’t answer to the pet when the owner stands before us.”
“My servant is a man of honour and decency,” Ferbin said, trying to keep his voice calm. “He may address you in any form or manner he sees fit and by God you ought to be grateful for even the most meagre courtesy he accords you, for you deserve less than a dry spit of it, and if I were you I’d hoard most jealously what little comes your way, for trust me, sirs, leaner times lie ahead if you but knew.”
The short knight looked furious; the taller one appeared surprised and mildly wounded. “These are unkind words, sir, to two who desire only to help you.”
“I believe I know the fate to which you’d like to help us. It is a condition I’m determined to avoid for some time yet.”
Let's not have a hammer yet. We are still waiting for some D1 analyses (Axel's, KJ's, whoever else's) and maybe some catch-ups.
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Killjoy insists so much on his uncertainty it ends up sounding fake. "Look at me, I have so little inside info I can't follow the consensus", he essentially says.
Rhand gives me the same impression with Grape's """slip""".
Then Killjoy humourously "nah"d him, which is the opposite of what I would expect given his stance. Is Rhand ridiculous for saying Grape slipped by implying he expects Tubba to flip scum, or is Grape scummy(?) for only considering Tubba as possible scum in the "trichotomy"?
Let's not have a hammer yet. We are still waiting for some D1 analyses (Axel's, KJ's, whoever else's) and maybe some catch-ups.
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Killjoy insists so much on his uncertainty it ends up sounding fake. "Look at me, I have so little inside info I can't follow the consensus", he essentially says.
Rhand gives me the same impression with Grape's """slip""".
Then Killjoy humourously "nah"d him, which is the opposite of what I would expect given his stance. Is Rhand ridiculous for saying Grape slipped by implying he expects Tubba to flip scum, or is Grape scummy(?) for only considering Tubba as possible scum in the "trichotomy"?
You can't have both. Make up your mind, Killjoy.
That's not what I said at all. Am I this hard to understand? JFC.
Night actions imply the three most likely outcomes of: Tubba is lying, Shadow is lying, neither is lying, you killed and were provented from doing so.Until a red flip, I'm not gonna completely write it off. In no worlds am I gonna persue it before the others though. You being scum here is just really unlikely.
I "nah'd" because I don't believe that was a slip, and yes it was meant to humorously mirror tom. Just because I think grape may be scum for not doing due dilegence doesn't mean I have to subscribe to every Gotcha theory put forward about him.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I think tom's stubborness here that we should solve this another day is probably townie (ignoring the paranoid part of me that thinks he's just trying to buy Tubba a day to fire a night action here).
im gonna be so insufferable when tubba flips goon and PRs start dying
Hey tom, does killing not!tubba/shadow somehow save the PRs? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
What watch result would even be a guilty check in a night with no kills?
In a random theory world, there is one situation I could think of...
i can think of <two people targeting the same person> being a "maybe NK + doctor" but i would certainly hope you wouldnt soft that and have a best case scenario outing the doctor, worst case outing two unrelated town PRs
You know what, **** it. I am chancing it because there is no way three town players all investigative roles that all targeted the same almost universally town player, and both the targets are wolfy.
Hard claim watcher shot. I watched ZDS and apart from myself, he was targeted by Shadow and Tubba. On a no kill night, my first gut instinct was that I correctly found the coupling. I just don't know from a theory stand point, if it was correct or not to out myself and potentially the doctor. I was thinking about saying absolutely nothing, I considered saying I watched ZDS and not say who targeted him (that felt awful because then I out for nothing.
Both of them are relatively wolfy, but shadow seemed legit excited. So I am going to gut call tubba as the wolf here.
Vote Tubba
This doesn't make sense tho. Why did you vote tom? Shadow was excited to vote TOM.
First he outs a breadcrumb almost right away, then he threatens to be targeted for.. a reason i have no idea what for.
My question is why did johnny vote Tom instead of Tubba? Shadows excitement doesn't feel genuine. His reactions don't feel genuine. His reaction to the question if ZDS is scum was like, 100% more than i expect anyone to give. it feels like a show to me.
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I don't understand your use of the word Tonally. Please explain?
I think Jack's posts read very differently towards the EoD yesterday. Early on there was a weird passivity (see the oft mentioned tunnel on Umami) while at the EoD he had a bit more agency. It went from a nervous teenager public speaking for the first time to a bad door to door salesperson.
I guess to clarify:
Consistency/lack thereof of opinions/logic is unlikely to be AI. Especially depending on player. Like, maybe that would work on zds. But youre gonna have a real bad time looking for consistency in rodemy or me or something.
Inconsistency between <actions/given thoughts> and <stated reads> is a different matter
Jack keeps saying hes deep in an umami tunnel but doesnt take any actions that show that. Thats scummy.
Rodemy changing his read of me from "9 times out of 10" to not serious at all isn't
I'd grabbed this just because it's true in general but it definitely applies to Tubba here. Claimed to be a JK but didn't think the missing kill was a big deal as Axel noticed.
Anyway if this clears Shadow and ZDS that is absolutely excellent because I was probably never going to have a really hard time getting there on either of them.
@ZDS The list comparing everyone to basketball players was really just for Tom, but yours was meant with nothing but respect. An all timer coming back to a slightly different game in a very different circumstance. No real comparison to your style just the circumstances.
I don’t understand this. I wholeheartedly believe that I prevented ZDS from being killed, why would I strut into the thread swinging my... cane? I sorta softed that the night was unusual but tried to do it without indications of anyone’s power roles. Even if ZDS was scum and I had prevented his kill why would I advertise that I might know why that was? If I prevented mafia from killing ZDS, why would I want them to know who/why? I guess if I squint I can see Johnny’s reasons for farting about, but there’s no world where I make a big deal about preventing the NK. If I was iffier on ZDS, I might have pushed around a little more, but to be honest it never really occurred to me that I may have blocked him from performing the kill. By the time I dug into the thread, Johnny and Shadow had already started the PR hunt, so I reluctantly had to lift my skirt.
@Rod: GJ’s hint was not subtle, so it needed to come out, otherwise we waste a bunch of time until it does, OR, GJ doesn’t reveal, and risks dying without providing his info.
@Rod: Shadow pretty much nailed it. I wanted to soft it subtly, but not enough where I was 100% at the time I wanted to out. When shadow pretty much caught on, I decided it wasn't worth holding since if he was town, he was outting himself too, and if he was a wolf, he already figured it out. tom was a behavior follow up.
Speaking of, I am going to take ZDS's advise and start looking at my theory: people who kept bringing up Jack but not voting.
@GJ
I mean I keep going back and forth come some of his posts make me tilt my head
but I just see someone who believes their thoughts like how he was in Prison Block
@Rodemy
However, i don't see how that makes tom town and not shadow? The focus on feeling better about tom makes me feel like that was a fake "clear"
What about Shadow's reactions should make me feel better about him?
this has really nothing to do with the dichotomy either, I haven't really deep dived into Shadow's reactions vs Tubba's reactions. I think both Tubba and Shadow's reasons for targeting ZDS are fine, but I dont think they can both co-exist, and without reading much I am just more inclined to vote Tubba at this point due to their content vs shadow's, and whose I kinda like more?
@Tubba
I mean given you protected ZDS because you thought he would be the NK, I dont see why you should believe the possibility of him actually performing the night kill? so I think thats fine
you probably have to die here. Worst world Shadow is the wolf and we kill him tomorrow
but that world means we lose our protective
maybe I can get behind not killing either of them?
@Last/Anyone who thinks we should not solve a dichotomy: STOP. Yes, I get Tom’s mechanical musings and some of the potential reasons for this. I disagree in this scenario; but even not given this scenario, it is bad for moral and game health to leave scum alive. It does have an impact, maybe not on the hard numbers, but on the way the game plays out, and that is bad in the long run. So no, we are not lynching outside of Tubba/me today.
There are three possible scum (two more likely than the third) but you're not even considering other possibilities. My issue isn't that I think he's town, it's that you didn't even look at Shadow. Also his meta isn't that easy to read.
You're just not... doing the due dilegence and I don't like that.
Maybe the fact that I did this in catch up made it less obvious but I did consider the possibilities, then I kept reading and I became very confident that Tubba was scum. And his meta isn't that easy, but crumpled wolves tend to look the same. I know because I've been there a few times.
Wagons dont play in to this but i reckon i would hijack the day and make people commit to stances on both of them
Did you see anything in Jack's tone improving later in D1? Sloth is just present, I don't think I have a read on him at all.
Is this a slip? It looks like a slip.
The lack of more day happening before GJ softed is frustrating because there is so little to analyze. Like I can dig a little into Axel actually trying to analyze Tubba's posts as a good look for him but there isn't much of that.
I think tom's stubborness here that we should solve this another day is probably townie (ignoring the paranoid part of me that thinks he's just trying to buy Tubba a day to fire a night action here).
Top of head reads:
Grape
ZDS/GJ
Umami/Shadow
Tom/Last
Axel
Rhand/KJ/Sloth/Rod
Vaimes
Jack
Tubba
His exposition continues to be pretty far from his actions. Especially wrt umami and itf.
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Sloth read sorta comes from the differences i saw between prison block and the dlp mountainous.
I keep thinking about him in terms of the basketball analogy (you may have missed it i called him old carmelo anthony earlier) but what it comes down to is he feels way more like the scum game
Hes hollow
But yeah, I'm down to look that way tomorrow.
What slip?
Looks like Grape knows what tubba will flip.
@tom I'll have to take a look. I remember seeing something about him easing into midrange shots (or along those lines anyway) but I didn't take much away from it.
Yknow
For the other people itg
Is grape not considering the other two suspects that night actions implicated a thing? What do you think?
For grape, dont think its that hard a conclusion to come to.
Preemptive psuedo V/LA: nights and weekends are going to be spotty for me moving forward. I'm moving in a couple weeks and my life is boxes and packing right now.
But you're missing the whole point. He didn't even look at shake. You think it's fine not looking at the second half of a dichotomy?
“And you, sirs,” Holse said, hand still resting on the pommel of his long knife, “who would you be?”
The taller knight looked at Ferbin as he said, “Do us the courtesy of informing your servant that we don’t answer to the pet when the owner stands before us.”
“My servant is a man of honour and decency,” Ferbin said, trying to keep his voice calm. “He may address you in any form or manner he sees fit and by God you ought to be grateful for even the most meagre courtesy he accords you, for you deserve less than a dry spit of it, and if I were you I’d hoard most jealously what little comes your way, for trust me, sirs, leaner times lie ahead if you but knew.”
The short knight looked furious; the taller one appeared surprised and mildly wounded. “These are unkind words, sir, to two who desire only to help you.”
“I believe I know the fate to which you’d like to help us. It is a condition I’m determined to avoid for some time yet.”
Axelrod - 1 (Slothful)
Vaimes - 1 (Rodemy)
shadowlancerx - 1 (Tubba Fett)
Jackrito - 1 (Umami)
Not Voting - 4 (Grapefruit21, tomsloger, Killjoy, Axelrod)
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to achieve a majority.
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Let's not have a hammer yet. We are still waiting for some D1 analyses (Axel's, KJ's, whoever else's) and maybe some catch-ups.
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Killjoy insists so much on his uncertainty it ends up sounding fake. "Look at me, I have so little inside info I can't follow the consensus", he essentially says.
Rhand gives me the same impression with Grape's """slip""".
Then Killjoy humourously "nah"d him, which is the opposite of what I would expect given his stance. Is Rhand ridiculous for saying Grape slipped by implying he expects Tubba to flip scum, or is Grape scummy(?) for only considering Tubba as possible scum in the "trichotomy"?
You can't have both. Make up your mind, Killjoy.
Night actions imply the three most likely outcomes of: Tubba is lying, Shadow is lying, neither is lying, you killed and were provented from doing so.Until a red flip, I'm not gonna completely write it off. In no worlds am I gonna persue it before the others though. You being scum here is just really unlikely.
I "nah'd" because I don't believe that was a slip, and yes it was meant to humorously mirror tom. Just because I think grape may be scum for not doing due dilegence doesn't mean I have to subscribe to every Gotcha theory put forward about him.
Feeling better today. I see there was a claim? Lemme look. Also, grape, How does the tone indicate any sort of alignment?
Im gonna try and read a page. wish me luck
last feels better about tom due to his emotions during twilight about shadow.
However, i don't see how that makes tom town and not shadow? The focus on feeling better about tom makes me feel like that was a fake "clear"
Yo shadow, why would you out this?
No more meta reads, Rhand.
this.. can't be a real question.
This doesn't make sense tho. Why did you vote tom? Shadow was excited to vote TOM.
This honestly feels super fake.
unvote vote shadow
First he outs a breadcrumb almost right away, then he threatens to be targeted for.. a reason i have no idea what for.
My question is why did johnny vote Tom instead of Tubba? Shadows excitement doesn't feel genuine. His reactions don't feel genuine. His reaction to the question if ZDS is scum was like, 100% more than i expect anyone to give. it feels like a show to me.
I don’t understand this. I wholeheartedly believe that I prevented ZDS from being killed, why would I strut into the thread swinging my... cane? I sorta softed that the night was unusual but tried to do it without indications of anyone’s power roles. Even if ZDS was scum and I had prevented his kill why would I advertise that I might know why that was? If I prevented mafia from killing ZDS, why would I want them to know who/why? I guess if I squint I can see Johnny’s reasons for farting about, but there’s no world where I make a big deal about preventing the NK. If I was iffier on ZDS, I might have pushed around a little more, but to be honest it never really occurred to me that I may have blocked him from performing the kill. By the time I dug into the thread, Johnny and Shadow had already started the PR hunt, so I reluctantly had to lift my skirt.
I was half kidding I’m more concerned about the shot show that is going on now.
Zero chance that gets through review. Zero.
Vote Jack
We'll see I'm not really focused on this game, but from posts alone Tubba probably flips wolf here over Shadow, removing all the mechanical info
Speaking of, I am going to take ZDS's advise and start looking at my theory: people who kept bringing up Jack but not voting.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
unvote
might be a little to early, probably can read right now before I head to work
Why?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I mean I keep going back and forth come some of his posts make me tilt my head
but I just see someone who believes their thoughts like how he was in Prison Block
@Rodemy
What about Shadow's reactions should make me feel better about him?
this has really nothing to do with the dichotomy either, I haven't really deep dived into Shadow's reactions vs Tubba's reactions. I think both Tubba and Shadow's reasons for targeting ZDS are fine, but I dont think they can both co-exist, and without reading much I am just more inclined to vote Tubba at this point due to their content vs shadow's, and whose I kinda like more?
I mean given you protected ZDS because you thought he would be the NK, I dont see why you should believe the possibility of him actually performing the night kill? so I think thats fine
you probably have to die here. Worst world Shadow is the wolf and we kill him tomorrow
but that world means we lose our protective
maybe I can get behind not killing either of them?
since again, its like 99.8% in terms of one of you completely making up your role to CC the other
ZDS can confirm who the jailer is, can't he?