A governor just cancels the lynch. Like a phonecall from the governor staying an execution
Someone that gets to choose it would be a judge or something
A combo could exist i suppose
I see no sign this source flavor contains separation of executive and judicial branches
We were talking about NBA analogies for players in dlp spec chat. I came up with <tenacious defender patrick beverly> for townsloth and looking at his iso here i cant see any better than <michael kidd-gilchrist whos apparently on the mavericks now?>
1. Grapefruit21 - JR Smith
2. ZeDorkSlipeur - Jordan on the Wizards
3. Gentleman Johnny - Draymond Green
4. Rhand - Damian Lillard? Paul George? Regular Season Shaq? Don't feel great about this one
5. Jackrito - Shaun Livingston
6. TubbaFett - Kendrick Perkins
7. shadowlancerx - Rudy Gobert?
8. tomsloger - I had Jimmy Butler but tom rightly pointed out the competitiveness is out of whack. Dr J maybe.
9. Vaimes - Dirk or Kevin Love depending on how strong a comp you want.
10. Lastwhisper - Rasheed Wallace
11. Umami - Ben Simmons
12. M plus 7 - Kyle Lowry Sloth - Pat Beverly
13. Rodemy - A better Jeff Green?
14. ITF - ??? Elgin Baylor?
15. Killjoy - Gordon Hayward
16. Axelrod - Kemba Walker?
@Shadow do you really think that there has been enough to read you from? I think a default scum lean because you're you is the correct stance at this stage.
I actually like some of Shadow's recent stuff, 988 is the main one that I liked. I still have issues with some of his play especially his top 3 but part of me feels that a scum would not double down on something that looks bad. I still need to see more from him to be sure, but I feel a lot better about him then I did eariler in the day phase. Him being caught up likely helped with that. His push back on Tom and others gives me a town vibe also
@Shadow do you really think that there has been enough to read you from? I think a default scum lean because you're you is the correct stance at this stage.
No, and this is partially my issue. I have to really been present until the past couple days, and while I can maybe buy “suspicious of shadow for being not in thread” I think multiple people having me in their top 3 would lynch is baffling.
There’s the scum read on me. Look I’m gonna 180 a lot early game. Don’t read too much into it
Who is this to?
Last. Tom wasn’t a 180 though, there are just more people I wanna read other than him. And you guys talked about how it really wasn’t a solid read, so why the **** are you so surprised I listened?
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Thank you for choosing
Rodemy Pizza
It’s not the best choice, but it’s a choice nonetheless
Welp, a lot has happened that I don't understand. Like we lynched ITF. There's a twilight. There's a governor. There's a big move against shadow and it's not even day 2. I'm sort of catching up and will hopefully have lots of insightful things to say, but I took a second look at some peeps and for now here's my scum prediction:
1. Grapefruit21 - JR Smith
2. ZeDorkSlipeur - Jordan on the Wizards
3. Gentleman Johnny - Draymond Green
4. Rhand - Damian Lillard? Paul George? Regular Season Shaq? Don't feel great about this one
5. Jackrito - Shaun Livingston
6. TubbaFett - Kendrick Perkins
7. shadowlancerx - Rudy Gobert?
8. tomsloger - I had Jimmy Butler but tom rightly pointed out the competitiveness is out of whack. Dr J maybe.
9. Vaimes - Dirk or Kevin Love depending on how strong a comp you want.
10. Lastwhisper - Rasheed Wallace
11. Umami - Ben Simmons
12. M plus 7 - Kyle Lowry Sloth - Pat Beverly
13. Rodemy - A better Jeff Green?
14. ITF - ??? Elgin Baylor?
15. Killjoy - Gordon Hayward
16. Axelrod - Kemba Walker?
I feel like you're insulting me but I don't know who Ben Simmons is so I'll continue to live in blissful ignorance
Welp, a lot has happened that I don't understand. Like we lynched ITF. There's a twilight. There's a governor. There's a big move against shadow and it's not even day 2. I'm sort of catching up and will hopefully have lots of insightful things to say, but I took a second look at some peeps and for now here's my scum prediction:
Welp, a lot has happened that I don't understand. Like we lynched ITF. There's a twilight. There's a governor. There's a big move against shadow and it's not even day 2. I'm sort of catching up and will hopefully have lots of insightful things to say, but I took a second look at some peeps and for now here's my scum prediction:
Jack/Vaimes/ZDS +/- tom in there
That is a bold prediction espically me with Tom.
Always hedge and put tom in the bad list--his chance of being scum defies probability
Welp, a lot has happened that I don't understand. Like we lynched ITF. There's a twilight. There's a governor. There's a big move against shadow and it's not even day 2. I'm sort of catching up and will hopefully have lots of insightful things to say, but I took a second look at some peeps and for now here's my scum prediction:
Jack/Vaimes/ZDS +/- tom in there
That is a bold prediction espically me with Tom.
Always hedge and put tom in the bad list--his chance of being scum defies probability
I feel like you're insulting me but I don't know who Ben Simmons is so I'll continue to live in blissful ignorance
He's a former first overall pick who hasn't put everything together yet, but has supreme physical talent and feel for the game but poor shooting technique. A lot of potential, but currently a very limited player being held back by inexperience and one big limitation.
I didn't mean it in an insulting way but it's definitely saying your have room to grow.
I feel like you're insulting me but I don't know who Ben Simmons is so I'll continue to live in blissful ignorance
He's a former first overall pick who hasn't put everything together yet, but has supreme physical talent and feel for the game but poor shooting technique. A lot of potential, but currently a very limited player being held back by inexperience and one big limitation.
I didn't mean it in an insulting way but it's definitely saying your have room to grow.
“Repetition,” said a voice like rustling leaves. Before Ferbin could say anything in reply, the voice went on, “Patterns, yes. For, periodicity. As the Veil become the Oct, so one iteration becomes another. Spacing is the signal, so creates. Yet, also, repetition shows lack of learning. Again, be on your way. Signal that is no signal, simply power, follows. Unrepeats.” The octagonal patch showing the silhouetted Oct shape faded and the cylinder started to sink silently back into the surface.
“Wait!” Ferbin shouted, and grabbed at the smooth round shape, putting both arms round it and attempting to prevent it disappearing.
Then it seemed to hesitate. It drew to a stop and rose back to its earlier height. The grey octagonal shape – some sort of screen, Ferbin realised – glowed into existence on the surface again. Before it could say anything, he shouted, “I am Ferbin, prince of the house of Hausk, with documents to support my right to warranted travel under the protection of our esteemed allies the Oct! I would speak with the Towermaster, Aiaik.”
“Denigration is—” the cylinder had started to say, then the voice cut off. “Documents?” the voice said after a few moments.
Ferbin unbuttoned his jacket and took out the finger-thick grey envelopes, brandishing them in front of the screen. “By the authority of Seltis, Head Scholar of the Anjrinh Scholastery,” Ferbin said. “Of the Eighth,” he added.
“To wait,” said the leaf-rustling voice.
...
A broad cylinder, a good fifteen strides across, rose up in the centre of the tower’s summit, swallowing the thin tube that Ferbin had been talking to. This fresh extrusion climbed five metres into the air and stopped. A door big enough to accept three mounted men side by side slid open and a grey-blue light spilled out.
Around the tower, a number of great dark shapes started to appear, circling.
Ferbin and Holse got up and ran for the doorway.
His ears were still ringing, so Ferbin never heard the shot that hit him. ITF has been executed by majority vote. He was:
The WorldGod, Xinthian Tensile Aeranothaur Town Vanilla
There was a species called the Xinthian Tensile Aeronathaurs, an Airworld people of enormous antiquity and – according to fable – once of enormous power. They were the second or third largest airborne species in the galaxy and, for reasons known solely to themselves, sometimes one of them would take up solitary residence in the machine core of a Shellworld. Though once widespread and common, the Xinthia had become a rare species and were regarded as Developmentally Inherently, Pervasively and Permanently Senile – in the unforgiving language of Galactic taxonomy – by those who bothered to concern themselves with such anachronisms at all.
One of the few Xinthia to not be found near their home system, you’ve taken up residence in the core of Sursamen for reasons unknown to any outsider. Worshipped as the WorldGod by the Sarl, you have little real interest in the affairs of mortals (or even in the affairs of the Involved).
Vanilla: You have no weapons other than your voice and your vote.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
He moved, and could feel something in the place where before there had been no feeling or movement, in his right upper back. He looked around as best he could.
He was riding in something like a balloon gondola, lying prone on a large, subtly undulating bed, naked but for a thin covering. Choubris Holse was sitting looking at him, chewing on what looked like a stringy piece of dried meat. Ferbin suddenly felt ravenously hungry. Holse belched and excused himself and Ferbin experienced an odd amalgam of emotions as he realised that this was not the afterlife and that he was still alive.
“Good-day, sir,” Holse said. “Feeling better?”
Ferbin tried to move his arms and found that he could. “Holse,” he croaked.
“At your service, sir.” Holse sighed. “As ever.”
Ferbin looked about. Clouds, ocean, bubble gondola thing. “Where is this? Not heaven?”
“Not heaven, sir, no.”
“You’re quite sure?”
“More than moderately positive, sir. This is a portion of the Fourth, sir. We are in the realm of the beings that call themselves Cumuloforms.”
“The Fourth?” Ferbin said. His voice sounded odd too. “But we are still within great Sursamen?”
“Assuredly, sir. Just four levels up. Halfway to the Surface.”
Ferbin looked around again. “How extraordinary,” he breathed, then coughed.No one died.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I did some wagon analysis last Night, with a focus on looking for what people said about ITF. See my observations below. Let me know if you disagree with anything, especially if you think I missed something or misinterpreted someone.
No vote until I see some reactions or some other analyses.
Regarding their participation (or lack thereof) in the ITF wagon,
— I am fine with: Axelrod, Grapefruit21, Lastwhisper, tomsloger;
— I have minor complaints about: Gentleman Johnny, Jackrito, Rodemy, Slothful, Umami, Vaimes;
— I have major complaints about: Killjoy, Rhand, shadowlancerx, Tubba Fett.
Axelrod was one of the main driving forces behind the wagon thanks to his PBPA. He removed his vote as soon as ITF answered, which he explained as never having had a strong read on him in the first place (this is confirmed by 536). Aside from this he mostly minded his own business, doing his own analyses and answering questions, while staying relatively connected to the on-going discussions. I am fine with his role in the ITF wagon.
Gentleman Johnny was an active participant in the ITF wagon. He was among the first to have issues with him and restated (and updated) them several times. He did show some hesitation in 844 due to the lack of counter-wagon, which ultimately didn't seem to make him change his mind. That aside I only have two minor issues with him: 1) He mildly contradicts himself between 334 ("ITF is pretty null entry") and 372 ("ITF's post felt kind of lazy [...] and I personally didn't like it.") — ITF didn't post inbetween but Killjoy did, voting ITF. 2) He only votes after Axelrod's PBPA (this could be a playstyle issue since he likes to slowroll his votes, but it looks opportunistic nonetheless). Overall I am mostly fine with his role in the ITF wagon with some small issues.
Grapefruit21 mostly ignored the wagon for a while, although he did take a lot of interest in Jackrito's stance on it. When he did actually adress the wagon, the only thing he made clear overall is his lack of a clear stance on the subject. He did try to make a counter-wagon work, and it's not like he ignored the elephant in the room either, so I can't fault him for mostly side-stepping it. I am fine with his (lack of) role in the ITF wagon.
Jackrito had a strong town-read at first, then changed his mind after a re-read. He got a lot of flak for this but I don't think that's fair: he announces he is going to re-read ITF in 565 (*after* Axelrod's PBPA) and reverses his opinion in 633. While it could be opportunistic, the timing is coherent enough for this to be an organic progression. Other than this, his participation in the ITF wagon was also characterised by his reluctance to vote, and I am especially not fond of him keeping his options open (804: "I'm fine with a vote on Axel, ITF, or Umani."). I think *this* is a lot more relevant than his change of mind. I am mostly fine with his role in the ITF wagon with some small issues.
Killjoy was the first to vote ITF, but didn't actually argue in favour of that vote until ***974***. That's an incredible feat. In the meantime, it's not like he ignored the wagon either, but he spent most of his efforts talking to other people about their take on it. He spent an especially large number of posts asking Axelrod about ITF and me, and asking me about Axelrod to a smaller extent. It reeks of looking for ways to put the blame on the wagon's actual driving forces. He had a change of heart on Axelrod way later in the Day that makes him look a little better, but that could be opportunistic (he realised it was a sterile road) so I don't want to look too far into it. I have big issues with his role in the ITF wagon.
Lastwhisper initially had a town-read on ITF. It grew into curiosity about his nascent wagon, which he then joined after Axel's PBPA. After that he showed some more hesitation but seemed to settle down on an actual scumread at the very end. While all his changes of heart could be opportunistic, there were enough time and relevant events between them that they seem organic. I am fine with his role in the ITF wagon.
Rhand was one of the early joiners in the ITF wagon (442: he "felt the fakeness in that post too") then acted as a cheerleader to it without adding anything relevant. There is so much I don't like about his participation. The biggest one is the 451, 757, 993 sequence: he claimed not to remember ITF's meta, then claimed to remember Winterfell, then re-read Winterfell to check ITF's scum meta. Individually these posts are fine, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to wait until tom dug up some old ITF meta, when Rhand himself was the first to mention meta by a huge margin *and* apparently knew exactly what game to look at. Especially since he complained in 577 about not having scum vibes yet, you'd think that would be a good time to follow up on 451. Aside from this and to a lesser extent, I am also not fond of him summarising the wagon as "[we are voting] ITF for sounding fake." (757 again) or him agreeing with the (in retrospect irrelevant) flavour tell I found to check if flavour gaming is a good idea (I have an issue with the experimental aspect of that, not with him supporting the idea). If you pay attention to his ISO, you may notice he doesn't actually show much interest in ITF's play. He seems very detached from the whole affair (and doesn't have the excuse of outright ignoring the wagon or looking elsewhere). I have massive issues with his role in the ITF wagon.
Rodemy initially didn't get the case on ITF, then was wowed by Axelrod's PBPA that he had apparently completely missed somehow. After this he spent more time explaining that progression than saying anything about ITF. He did make a couple posts hinting that ITF's flip would influence his other reads, so I'm curious to see where it leads him. Overall there's not a lot to see, his participation could be opportunistic or organic with not a lot to tip the scales either way. I am mostly fine with his role in the ITF wagon.
shadowlancerx missed a good chunk of the Day and as a result was a late addition to the ITF wagon. Interestingly (and by that I mean it's scummy), he doesn't explain his stance and his vote on ITF in 806, despite explaining many of his other reads. Interestingly as well (same comment), he spends exactly no time justifying his vote, and instead worries *A LOT* about his top two scum reads (ITF and Jackrito) possibly being both town and getting chain lynched. He already got a lot of flak for this and it's completely deserved. Who the heck pulls that kind of stunt? I have massive issues with his role in the ITF wagon.
Slothful missed almost the entire Day and had very little to say about the ITF wagon, other than finding Axelrod's PBPA more convincing at proving ITF town (how?) and liking the case on Jackrito better. M plus 7 had nothing to say at all. I'm putting that slot among the "minor issues" by default.
tomsloger started off having no strong opinion on ITF then eventually became the main opponent to the wagon, before moving towards the middle at the very end after checking ITF's meta. "Main opponent" is a relative concept, he wasn't a *strong* opponent by any stretch of the imagination. He *did* make his scumread on Jackrito clear and *did* try to get a wagon on him started. Had ITF flipped scum I would have huge issues with his play (trying to distract away from the wagon without putting in much effort so he doesn't have to look too bad in the end), but ITF was town. I am fine with his role in the ITF wagon.
Tubba Fett did not have a whole lot to say about ITF or the wagon. His first and only post on the subject, 779, was awful in retrospect: he fence-sits massively ("I can see the scummy tendencies others have pointed out on ITF, but I’m not seeing the scum equity") and makes me responsible while fence-sitting some more ("I’m probably gonna sheep Z, except ITF shouldn’t be dinkable this easily."). There is more in the beginning of that post, look it up. It absolutely reeks of TMI and wanting to play both sides. If he truly thought what he said about not seeing ITF as scum he should have been a lot more interested in looking for alternatives. Instead he seemed happy with letting his vote rot on Lastwhisper. Other than this one post, he mostly ignored the subject. I have massive issues with his role in the ITF wagon.
Umami had an early town-read on ITF, then completely ignored the wagon until he was lynched. She did disappear for a relevant chunk of the Day, but that in itself is irrelevant since she did post several times during the wagon's growth period. She just minded her own business in these posts. I am fine with her town-reading ITF, but I am not fine with her (lack of) role in the ITF wagon.
Vaimes made it clear throughout the Day he liked the ITF wagon (as in, the people in it) but did not actually have (much of) a scumread on ITF, and ended up adding a purely utilitarian vote to the wagon. While none of this is particularly inspiring, I also don't have a major issue with that attitude and his role in the ITF wagon.
As for me, ZeDorkSlipeur, I was one of the main driving forces behind the wagon and repeatedly shut down complaints about it (such as the lack of counterwagon). I did have my share of doubts, but they appeared either too early (Killjoy and Rhand's votes) or too late (ITF's tone towards the end), and up until the very end I never had a town-read on ITF. I am not satisfied with my role in the ITF wagon and I plan to make up for it.
---
I don't know what to make of Grape's 1126, I'm clueless about NBA.
About tom: as mafia he will take the “this guy is town stance” if his buddy or buddies are on the wagon.
The way he talked about ITF and the willingness to hammer make this more likely mafia!tom than town!tom.
Also, he keeps throwing me in his town pile while I hardly took any stances this game. I am usually trying to steer the game from Day 1 as both alignments. He should have at best a null read on me.
2) The NK will influence analysis / early analysis will influence the NK. There's no need to blow our load early.
no
That means a lynch without a claim. No.
I’m asking pros and cons. Not yes or no.
Someone that gets to choose it would be a judge or something
A combo could exist i suppose
I see no sign this source flavor contains separation of executive and judicial branches
Is that combo what youre asking about rod?
If the choice is lynch ITF or kill someone else... i feel better about hitting scum in shadow/jack/sloth
I do too. But apparently a lot of people are against it. I’m not gonna push too hard but the evidence is that ITF is town.
We were talking about NBA analogies for players in dlp spec chat. I came up with <tenacious defender patrick beverly> for townsloth and looking at his iso here i cant see any better than <michael kidd-gilchrist whos apparently on the mavericks now?>
No i cannot explain that better
Gut scum
*shrug* he’s still scummy but again, answering questions for other people isn’t a solid read. Besides, you three are more scummy.
Now its not a solid read?
If we could change lynches shadow/Rodemy/Tubba
I am adding Rodemy cause that 180 makes no sense
But not before those 2
Enough of this bull crap. If you want to scum read me, fine. But you don’t get to do so without giving like, any actual reason.
Since when lol
2. ZeDorkSlipeur - Jordan on the Wizards
3. Gentleman Johnny - Draymond Green
4. Rhand - Damian Lillard? Paul George? Regular Season Shaq? Don't feel great about this one
5. Jackrito - Shaun Livingston
6. TubbaFett - Kendrick Perkins
7. shadowlancerx - Rudy Gobert?
8. tomsloger - I had Jimmy Butler but tom rightly pointed out the competitiveness is out of whack. Dr J maybe.
9. Vaimes - Dirk or Kevin Love depending on how strong a comp you want.
10. Lastwhisper - Rasheed Wallace
11. Umami - Ben Simmons
12.
M plus 7 - Kyle LowrySloth - Pat Beverly13. Rodemy - A better Jeff Green?
14. ITF - ??? Elgin Baylor?
15. Killjoy - Gordon Hayward
16. Axelrod - Kemba Walker?
Last. Tom wasn’t a 180 though, there are just more people I wanna read other than him. And you guys talked about how it really wasn’t a solid read, so why the **** are you so surprised I listened?
Jack/Vaimes/ZDS +/- tom in there
I feel like you're insulting me but I don't know who Ben Simmons is so I'll continue to live in blissful ignorance
Also, called ITF being town
That is a bold prediction espically me with Tom.
Always hedge and put tom in the bad list--his chance of being scum defies probability
Actually, add sloth to the hedgelist too
He's a former first overall pick who hasn't put everything together yet, but has supreme physical talent and feel for the game but poor shooting technique. A lot of potential, but currently a very limited player being held back by inexperience and one big limitation.
I didn't mean it in an insulting way but it's definitely saying your have room to grow.
lol can't argue that
“Wait!” Ferbin shouted, and grabbed at the smooth round shape, putting both arms round it and attempting to prevent it disappearing.
Then it seemed to hesitate. It drew to a stop and rose back to its earlier height. The grey octagonal shape – some sort of screen, Ferbin realised – glowed into existence on the surface again. Before it could say anything, he shouted, “I am Ferbin, prince of the house of Hausk, with documents to support my right to warranted travel under the protection of our esteemed allies the Oct! I would speak with the Towermaster, Aiaik.”
“Denigration is—” the cylinder had started to say, then the voice cut off. “Documents?” the voice said after a few moments.
Ferbin unbuttoned his jacket and took out the finger-thick grey envelopes, brandishing them in front of the screen. “By the authority of Seltis, Head Scholar of the Anjrinh Scholastery,” Ferbin said. “Of the Eighth,” he added.
“To wait,” said the leaf-rustling voice.
...
A broad cylinder, a good fifteen strides across, rose up in the centre of the tower’s summit, swallowing the thin tube that Ferbin had been talking to. This fresh extrusion climbed five metres into the air and stopped. A door big enough to accept three mounted men side by side slid open and a grey-blue light spilled out.
Around the tower, a number of great dark shapes started to appear, circling.
Ferbin and Holse got up and ran for the doorway.
His ears were still ringing, so Ferbin never heard the shot that hit him.
ITF has been executed by majority vote. He was:
Town Vanilla
There was a species called the Xinthian Tensile Aeronathaurs, an Airworld people of enormous antiquity and – according to fable – once of enormous power. They were the second or third largest airborne species in the galaxy and, for reasons known solely to themselves, sometimes one of them would take up solitary residence in the machine core of a Shellworld. Though once widespread and common, the Xinthia had become a rare species and were regarded as Developmentally Inherently, Pervasively and Permanently Senile – in the unforgiving language of Galactic taxonomy – by those who bothered to concern themselves with such anachronisms at all.
One of the few Xinthia to not be found near their home system, you’ve taken up residence in the core of Sursamen for reasons unknown to any outsider. Worshipped as the WorldGod by the Sarl, you have little real interest in the affairs of mortals (or even in the affairs of the Involved).
Vanilla: You have no weapons other than your voice and your vote.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
It is Night 1. Please do not post.
Night 1 ends at 11:59:59 PM Eastern Time on 24 April 2020. Please submit actions at least one hour early so Day 2 can begin promptly.
Vote Count 1.1
Vote Count 1.2
Vote Count 1.3
Vote Count 1.4
Vote Count 1.5
Vote Count 1.6
Vote Count 1.7
Vote Count 1.8
Vote Count 1.9
Vote Count 1.10 [Final]
He moved, and could feel something in the place where before there had been no feeling or movement, in his right upper back. He looked around as best he could.
He was riding in something like a balloon gondola, lying prone on a large, subtly undulating bed, naked but for a thin covering. Choubris Holse was sitting looking at him, chewing on what looked like a stringy piece of dried meat. Ferbin suddenly felt ravenously hungry. Holse belched and excused himself and Ferbin experienced an odd amalgam of emotions as he realised that this was not the afterlife and that he was still alive.
“Good-day, sir,” Holse said. “Feeling better?”
Ferbin tried to move his arms and found that he could. “Holse,” he croaked.
“At your service, sir.” Holse sighed. “As ever.”
Ferbin looked about. Clouds, ocean, bubble gondola thing. “Where is this? Not heaven?”
“Not heaven, sir, no.”
“You’re quite sure?”
“More than moderately positive, sir. This is a portion of the Fourth, sir. We are in the realm of the beings that call themselves Cumuloforms.”
“The Fourth?” Ferbin said. His voice sounded odd too. “But we are still within great Sursamen?”
“Assuredly, sir. Just four levels up. Halfway to the Surface.”
Ferbin looked around again. “How extraordinary,” he breathed, then coughed.
No one died.
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to achieve a majority.
It is Day 2. You may begin posting.
Day 2 ends at 11:59:59 PM Eastern Time on 05 May 2020.
Vote Count 1.1
Vote Count 1.2
Vote Count 1.3
Vote Count 1.4
Vote Count 1.5
Vote Count 1.6
Vote Count 1.7
Vote Count 1.8
Vote Count 1.9
Vote Count 1.10 [Final]
End of Day 1
vote sloth
Sup boo
Axel, Last, tom, Vaimes, Umami probably town.
No vote until I see some reactions or some other analyses.
— I am fine with: Axelrod, Grapefruit21, Lastwhisper, tomsloger;
— I have minor complaints about: Gentleman Johnny, Jackrito, Rodemy, Slothful, Umami, Vaimes;
— I have major complaints about: Killjoy, Rhand, shadowlancerx, Tubba Fett.
Axelrod was one of the main driving forces behind the wagon thanks to his PBPA. He removed his vote as soon as ITF answered, which he explained as never having had a strong read on him in the first place (this is confirmed by 536). Aside from this he mostly minded his own business, doing his own analyses and answering questions, while staying relatively connected to the on-going discussions. I am fine with his role in the ITF wagon.
Gentleman Johnny was an active participant in the ITF wagon. He was among the first to have issues with him and restated (and updated) them several times. He did show some hesitation in 844 due to the lack of counter-wagon, which ultimately didn't seem to make him change his mind. That aside I only have two minor issues with him: 1) He mildly contradicts himself between 334 ("ITF is pretty null entry") and 372 ("ITF's post felt kind of lazy [...] and I personally didn't like it.") — ITF didn't post inbetween but Killjoy did, voting ITF. 2) He only votes after Axelrod's PBPA (this could be a playstyle issue since he likes to slowroll his votes, but it looks opportunistic nonetheless). Overall I am mostly fine with his role in the ITF wagon with some small issues.
Grapefruit21 mostly ignored the wagon for a while, although he did take a lot of interest in Jackrito's stance on it. When he did actually adress the wagon, the only thing he made clear overall is his lack of a clear stance on the subject. He did try to make a counter-wagon work, and it's not like he ignored the elephant in the room either, so I can't fault him for mostly side-stepping it. I am fine with his (lack of) role in the ITF wagon.
Jackrito had a strong town-read at first, then changed his mind after a re-read. He got a lot of flak for this but I don't think that's fair: he announces he is going to re-read ITF in 565 (*after* Axelrod's PBPA) and reverses his opinion in 633. While it could be opportunistic, the timing is coherent enough for this to be an organic progression. Other than this, his participation in the ITF wagon was also characterised by his reluctance to vote, and I am especially not fond of him keeping his options open (804: "I'm fine with a vote on Axel, ITF, or Umani."). I think *this* is a lot more relevant than his change of mind. I am mostly fine with his role in the ITF wagon with some small issues.
Killjoy was the first to vote ITF, but didn't actually argue in favour of that vote until ***974***. That's an incredible feat. In the meantime, it's not like he ignored the wagon either, but he spent most of his efforts talking to other people about their take on it. He spent an especially large number of posts asking Axelrod about ITF and me, and asking me about Axelrod to a smaller extent. It reeks of looking for ways to put the blame on the wagon's actual driving forces. He had a change of heart on Axelrod way later in the Day that makes him look a little better, but that could be opportunistic (he realised it was a sterile road) so I don't want to look too far into it. I have big issues with his role in the ITF wagon.
Lastwhisper initially had a town-read on ITF. It grew into curiosity about his nascent wagon, which he then joined after Axel's PBPA. After that he showed some more hesitation but seemed to settle down on an actual scumread at the very end. While all his changes of heart could be opportunistic, there were enough time and relevant events between them that they seem organic. I am fine with his role in the ITF wagon.
Rhand was one of the early joiners in the ITF wagon (442: he "felt the fakeness in that post too") then acted as a cheerleader to it without adding anything relevant. There is so much I don't like about his participation. The biggest one is the 451, 757, 993 sequence: he claimed not to remember ITF's meta, then claimed to remember Winterfell, then re-read Winterfell to check ITF's scum meta. Individually these posts are fine, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to wait until tom dug up some old ITF meta, when Rhand himself was the first to mention meta by a huge margin *and* apparently knew exactly what game to look at. Especially since he complained in 577 about not having scum vibes yet, you'd think that would be a good time to follow up on 451. Aside from this and to a lesser extent, I am also not fond of him summarising the wagon as "[we are voting] ITF for sounding fake." (757 again) or him agreeing with the (in retrospect irrelevant) flavour tell I found to check if flavour gaming is a good idea (I have an issue with the experimental aspect of that, not with him supporting the idea). If you pay attention to his ISO, you may notice he doesn't actually show much interest in ITF's play. He seems very detached from the whole affair (and doesn't have the excuse of outright ignoring the wagon or looking elsewhere). I have massive issues with his role in the ITF wagon.
Rodemy initially didn't get the case on ITF, then was wowed by Axelrod's PBPA that he had apparently completely missed somehow. After this he spent more time explaining that progression than saying anything about ITF. He did make a couple posts hinting that ITF's flip would influence his other reads, so I'm curious to see where it leads him. Overall there's not a lot to see, his participation could be opportunistic or organic with not a lot to tip the scales either way. I am mostly fine with his role in the ITF wagon.
shadowlancerx missed a good chunk of the Day and as a result was a late addition to the ITF wagon. Interestingly (and by that I mean it's scummy), he doesn't explain his stance and his vote on ITF in 806, despite explaining many of his other reads. Interestingly as well (same comment), he spends exactly no time justifying his vote, and instead worries *A LOT* about his top two scum reads (ITF and Jackrito) possibly being both town and getting chain lynched. He already got a lot of flak for this and it's completely deserved. Who the heck pulls that kind of stunt? I have massive issues with his role in the ITF wagon.
Slothful missed almost the entire Day and had very little to say about the ITF wagon, other than finding Axelrod's PBPA more convincing at proving ITF town (how?) and liking the case on Jackrito better. M plus 7 had nothing to say at all. I'm putting that slot among the "minor issues" by default.
tomsloger started off having no strong opinion on ITF then eventually became the main opponent to the wagon, before moving towards the middle at the very end after checking ITF's meta. "Main opponent" is a relative concept, he wasn't a *strong* opponent by any stretch of the imagination. He *did* make his scumread on Jackrito clear and *did* try to get a wagon on him started. Had ITF flipped scum I would have huge issues with his play (trying to distract away from the wagon without putting in much effort so he doesn't have to look too bad in the end), but ITF was town. I am fine with his role in the ITF wagon.
Tubba Fett did not have a whole lot to say about ITF or the wagon. His first and only post on the subject, 779, was awful in retrospect: he fence-sits massively ("I can see the scummy tendencies others have pointed out on ITF, but I’m not seeing the scum equity") and makes me responsible while fence-sitting some more ("I’m probably gonna sheep Z, except ITF shouldn’t be dinkable this easily."). There is more in the beginning of that post, look it up. It absolutely reeks of TMI and wanting to play both sides. If he truly thought what he said about not seeing ITF as scum he should have been a lot more interested in looking for alternatives. Instead he seemed happy with letting his vote rot on Lastwhisper. Other than this one post, he mostly ignored the subject. I have massive issues with his role in the ITF wagon.
Umami had an early town-read on ITF, then completely ignored the wagon until he was lynched. She did disappear for a relevant chunk of the Day, but that in itself is irrelevant since she did post several times during the wagon's growth period. She just minded her own business in these posts. I am fine with her town-reading ITF, but I am not fine with her (lack of) role in the ITF wagon.
Vaimes made it clear throughout the Day he liked the ITF wagon (as in, the people in it) but did not actually have (much of) a scumread on ITF, and ended up adding a purely utilitarian vote to the wagon. While none of this is particularly inspiring, I also don't have a major issue with that attitude and his role in the ITF wagon.
As for me, ZeDorkSlipeur, I was one of the main driving forces behind the wagon and repeatedly shut down complaints about it (such as the lack of counterwagon). I did have my share of doubts, but they appeared either too early (Killjoy and Rhand's votes) or too late (ITF's tone towards the end), and up until the very end I never had a town-read on ITF. I am not satisfied with my role in the ITF wagon and I plan to make up for it.
---
I don't know what to make of Grape's 1126, I'm clueless about NBA.
The way he talked about ITF and the willingness to hammer make this more likely mafia!tom than town!tom.
Also, he keeps throwing me in his town pile while I hardly took any stances this game. I am usually trying to steer the game from Day 1 as both alignments. He should have at best a null read on me.
I agree on Shadow.
vote tom