He's not saying "this is how Vaimes plays in other games," he's saying "this is how Vaimes is currently playing in this game."
The only way this would be irrelevant is if he's wrong - so, is he?
He is failing to account for who I am as a player, which is due to us not playing together for a significant amount of time. "Vaimes is scummy for xyz" is nonsensical if xyz is something I often do, even if he's just framing it in the context of this specific game.
What do you mean by "wrong"? Is his opinion wrong, or is his conclusion wrong?
Attempts to game the setup with a cell block analysis seems suspicious to me, but with not much to go on I understand the sentiment. Just the idea of 'let's make this meta thing the topic' distracts from actual evaluation of posts and it's fluff. Within page one however it makes some sense. I would be much more suspicious if there was other evidence to go on.
But yeah, it's random per rules.
Btw, this right here is the most pointless post of the game. It also seems to take care to appear to not be seen as such.
I know, someone else already brought it up, but I noticed too so,
Vote: Zionite
Btw, YWFMLF stands for You Will Fear My Laser Face.
Got to be honest that Zionite post is the type of neutral nonsense I pull as scum to try and look relevant and game solving, it is possible to come from town also but I agree it feels off and semi busy body work to a degree
Also gonna say I dislike this post. It's not real analysis of Zionite's play, but still is a reason to scumread him.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So... GJ's made a legitimate point that this is how Scum looks, and you're using meta as a defense, then? That's what I gather from this. It's pretty much entirely backwards from what you made it sound like originally.
If this is apparently something that always happens and other players can verify it I'm ok with the meta defense, just don't think it's fair you dismissed it the way you did.
No? He expressed an opinion ("Vaimes is a wolf because his content is fluffy and I haven't liked his posts"), the basis of which is that town!Vaimes would be more traditionally gamesolve-y. That's how I interpreted it, and if I'm correct, then it's a bogus read and belongs in the dumpster.
I think it would help to self meta. Obvious grain of salt is obvious, but what should I look for? I think it can be useful for a different reason.
Town: I fluff a fair amount, depending on the playerlist and general thread atmosphere. Roughly 75% of the time I'll just end up lunching someone with my townreads, but 25% of the time I get a strong scumread and try to push it. Tend to get pushed on somewhat lightly early on, but by midgame I'm usually unlunchable.
Scum: I try my best to emulate the above. Whenever people catch onto me, scum-anger starts to leak out. I tend to throw in the towel rather than fight. I've gotten better, but still struggle with casing villagers and endgaming. If I'm playing well, it's usually because I'm vibing well with my team.
My most recent scumgames are here, Game of Thrones and Hill House.
As for the line about leaving them alive that was entirely a joke at wisp's expense.
Okay, I can totally see this.
unvote
One more question though, why did you want to believe jack was scum?
I agree - however, was that line the entire basis for your vote? What about the points you liked about Rhand, and even what you mentioned of KJ prior? Does this comment absolve him of everything else in your eyes?
Also of relevance is that he was already voting Jack at this point, joke or not.
These posts happened within the same 24-hour period, in the order displayed. If you don't think Last is scum, and don't believe his claim, then what do you think is happening here?
He's falseclaimg a N0 for reactions and/or fun
He did it as a scum gambit not long ago and I didn't believe it then either
Lucky for you, we haven't reached 5000 posts on Day 1 yet.
I know we've played together before 2019, did something happen to your old account?
It was nuked in reaction to GDPR.
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I'm caught up speedreading-wise but if I don't read slowly the posts all blend together. Slowreadingandtakingnotes-wise I have reached page 5. I'm seeing interesting things. I hope I don't go mad before I can share them with the town.
Ok so you're a little more than 1/3 of the way through...that's enough to have some sort of opinion on something. What are these "interesting" things? Being cryptic isn't helping scum hunt and the coy act isn't making you come off towny.
Scum: I try my best to emulate the above. Whenever people catch onto me, scum-anger starts to leak out. I tend to throw in the towel rather than fight. I've gotten better, but still struggle with casing villagers and endgaming.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Ok so you're a little more than 1/3 of the way through...that's enough to have some sort of opinion on something. What are these "interesting" things? Being cryptic isn't helping scum hunt and the coy act isn't making you come off towny.
I kinda think it's better to wait until you're fully caught up to start dumping thoughts. Otherwise you risk dumbtelling all over the place and people debating whether it's wine or not.
Thinking on it, I very likely got angry after being outed/trapped, so that one might not be accurate. Plus as scum I'm always worried my [scum feelings] are more obvious than they actually are.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I agree - however, was that line the entire basis for your vote? What about the points you liked about Rhand, and even what you mentioned of KJ prior? Does this comment absolve him of everything else in your eyes?
Also of relevance is that he was already voting Jack at this point, joke or not.
That post feeling wrong is definitely what tipped him into being my lead suspect. He's certainly not in my town pile or anything now, but idk, poking there more doesn't feel fruitful atm. Like, I can understand why a townGrape might have reacted as he did initially to jack
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
FTR I think Last is lying about the N0 check on Sloth, but I'm also townreading last. I almost think Last is memeing? Like an N0 peek is a Mafia meme now around here maybe? This is the third game in like 4 or 5 when someone's claimed one (And one where someone's had one)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So... GJ's made a legitimate point that this is how Scum looks, and you're using meta as a defense, then? That's what I gather from this. It's pretty much entirely backwards from what you made it sound like originally.
If this is apparently something that always happens and other players can verify it I'm ok with the meta defense, just don't think it's fair you dismissed it the way you did.
No? He expressed an opinion ("Vaimes is a wolf because his content is fluffy and I haven't liked his posts"), the basis of which is that town!Vaimes would be more traditionally gamesolve-y. That's how I interpreted it, and if I'm correct, then it's a bogus read and belongs in the dumpster.
I am not satisfied you are trying to solve people's alignments. I am a man of simple reads. I either think you are hunting/alignment solving, or I think you aren't.
Meta defenses are terrible, and I don't use meta and am super against it. Pretty outspoken about so.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
FTR I think Last is lying about the N0 check on Sloth, but I'm also townreading last. I almost think Last is memeing? Like an N0 peek is a Mafia meme now around here maybe? This is the third game in like 4 or 5 when someone's claimed one (And one where someone's had one)
Come on KJ. The n0 check has been pretty standard MU memeing over here. It's super null, and not worth the analysis.
I don't get why bring it up when the meat of your point is that LW is a townread of yours.
I'm reading through the game and it came up.
Also I don't play on MU all that much. (Though the one game I played in you figured out I was town real quick)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Meta defenses are terrible, and I don't use meta and am super against it. Pretty outspoken about so.
Are you saying you're against someone using "oh that's just how I play" as their only explanation for something, or are you saying you're against taking a person's playstyle into account when reading them? Or somewhere in between?
Also on MU there's an actual gametype I think that involves N0 peeks.
So it's more likely over there than here probably. I think the one I had on DitF was maybe the first one on MTGS? I haven't read every game though.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I think it would help to self meta. Obvious grain of salt is obvious, but what should I look for? I think it can be useful for a different reason.
Town: I fluff a fair amount, depending on the playerlist and general thread atmosphere. Roughly 75% of the time I'll just end up lunching someone with my townreads, but 25% of the time I get a strong scumread and try to push it. Tend to get pushed on somewhat lightly early on, but by midgame I'm usually unlunchable.
Scum: I try my best to emulate the above. Whenever people catch onto me, scum-anger starts to leak out. I tend to throw in the towel rather than fight. I've gotten better, but still struggle with casing villagers and endgaming. If I'm playing well, it's usually because I'm vibing well with my team.
My most recent scumgames are here, Game of Thrones and Hill House.
So as a wolf, you are telling me you try to emulate...fluff posting? What does a failure to do so look like? Are you more of a lurker, do you post mostly content, or...
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Should we? No. But I don't mind playing it out. Looks like that's where we're headed anyway. Like I said before, I feel I have a habit of taking too much spotlight, for better or worse.
I’ll post more later just keeping up with reading. [I definitely didn’t remember KCCs vote was RVS. I’m also feeling less confident KCC is town.(1)]
Tom is either really good at reads or scum going for points because “he knew” I’m town. I’m going with town and really good.
Jack wanting to Lynch Flarg for info was bad. I was even kind of second guessing going in on my last post but I figured it was already done and totally valid. Still is. [My whole point was that hedging and lack of commitment isn’t necessarily and indicator of alignment.(2)] I also wanted to see how players responded. I still think he could be scum but less so now.
Also [feeling better about Last whisper and Laser Letters given recent posts(4)]. I prefer the walls occasionally. [Grape seemed to drop Jack kinda fast, felt he was going harder than I was. I’m less confident in Grape now.(3)]
I think I should barn Tom on Vaimes because I’ve consistently liked his posts the most. Then later actually read Vaimes to see if it’s a good bet to run up. But with players like sloth hung up on me it might be worth running myself up just to get it over with.
But yes, now the thread is getting juicy.
So on this post, you establish:
Even though she was your townread at the time, you didn't read KCC's post close enough to see that it was an RVS; despite it being her literal first post so impossible to miss.
Hedging/Lack of commitment not being an indicator. I agree with this but that is seriously not what you were saying earlier. This feels like trying to backtrack.
Further changes unexplained changes on Grape.
What Last and Ter have done to make you feel better? I'm assuming it's more than walls.
@Tom, what is your reaction to #480? Asking for a friend.
@Zi ftr I do hear what you're saying about hang-ups and despite the fact that the way you pointed it out made it slightly AtE, I am honestly trying to see things from different angles. This is why I'm engaging you at all, rather than just dismiss you as scum. This may sound obnoxious as hell, but the burden of innocence is on you to prove, not on me to believe.
On that note, whenever you get around to this would be great:
The point of being opportunistic is the core of my vote, and my town-read on Grape and KCC supporting your wagon.
Zi, in light of #153 (and #199): Explain your progression from that to this. How did you get to the point of sheeping Grape to this point.
KCC was unmistakably a RVS no-substance vote so her being on Jack since #11 is not even worth acknowledging as something that would have influenced you if you were actually paying attention to your townreads.
So What's...Eating Gilbert Grape?
(Also, acknowledge my hilarious joke damn you.)
1. Yep, totally wasn't paying enough attention to KCC. I deserve this one.
2. Well, I think there's a difference between backtracking openly and trying not to look like backtracking. I'm doing the former here.
3. Was posting on mobile before bed at 3am. My initial reads kind of matched up with what Grape was doing so I liked it. But now I'm liking him less. I could do a more thorough read on him but I don't think it's a productive use right now.
4. LW is less meme-y now and that's where I prefer the posts to be. I was assuming it was gonna be an all-Day thing at first.
I literally can't prove that I'm town though. So that's why I'm more of a "let's just get this over with" instead of "I'm town you gotta believe me". Besides, I thought the standard was innocent until proven guilty? So what sort of proof are you looking for? Are we requiring this for every player? I get what you're saying and I get a good town-read from it, but I don't know how to resolve what you're looking for without pushing me to a lynch.
I’ll post more later just keeping up with reading.
I definitely didn’t remember KCCs vote was RVS. I’m also feeling less confident KCC is town.
Tom is either really good at reads or scum going for points because “he knew” I’m town. I’m going with town and really good.
Jack wanting to Lynch Flarg for info was bad. I was even kind of second guessing going in on my last post but I figured it was already done and totally valid. Still is. My whole point was that hedging and lack of commitment isn’t necessarily and indicator of alignment. I also wanted to see how players responded. I still think he could be scum but less so now.
Also feeling better about Last whisper and Laser Letters given recent posts. I prefer the walls occasionally.
Grape seemed to drop Jack kinda fast, felt he was going harder than I was. I’m less confident in Grape now.
I think I should barn Tom on Vaimes because I’ve consistently liked his posts the most. Then later actually read Vaimes to see if it’s a good bet to run up. But with players like sloth hung up on me it might be worth running myself up just to get it over with.
But yes, now the thread is getting juicy.
I actually can't believe how much you have backtracked on this and it bothers me. This looks like you just gave into peer pressure then actual belief, which is not normal for town to do.
Also stop flipping on reads for no reason explain to me how you did not know KCC was a RVS vote when it was their first post, also what about them was town, and what changed. I need to understand the logic here. Since the same flip happened with Grape.
Post about Tom knowing you are town bothers me because it just comes across as a way to try and tell people you are town indirectly rather then add anything. I know I also did this in regards to KCC but I'a hypocrite like I said.
I'm started to get annoyed with this Flarge info thing as well, since it lasted a total of 20 mins and I never even went anywhere with it, how much people bring it up makes it seem like I voted him and still want him dead. I explained why I said what I did and stand by it even if wrong.
Also what makes me less scum and why did Wisp and lazer go up as well don't throw at blank statements with no reasons. Also you are doing same thing you want to scumread grape on.
Finally surely you should have own reasons to vote Vaimes instead of following Tom and what posts did you like by Tom in the first place, I'm also not letting last part which is a slight ATE pass about being run up by sloth so.
Vote : Zionite
You are being even more hedgey then me in this post, and backtracking far too much.
Finally you've committed! This is amazing.
Jokes aside, I don't think I'm cowing to peer pressure here. It's a genuine read. I've read some of your comments as town but just as many as scummy so I really don't know right now. I'm just glad you're not fence-sitting anymore. Would I support a wagon on you? Yes. Am I going to tunnel on you? Probably not.
Yeah like I said at the beginning of the post, "I'll post more later". Was late and on mobile but wanted to get my thoughts down. KCC's early posts were giving me town vibes but less so now, same with Grape but for different reasons. Now I'm less sure on them and more sure on others. I could go into it more but doesn't seem like a good use of a post.
It seems to me you're failing to see my points. The things you're accusing me of are things you admit to doing yourself. So if that makes me scum, wouldn't you also be scum? Assuming the answer is No, then why are your points valid in my case but not yours?
I like that you're owning the Flarg comment instead of trying to explain it away. I'm also owning my backtracking in that I'm doing it on purpose.
The difference for the Grape thing is that he was going harder on you than I was and I was already second guessing the whole thing (but kept that read closer to the chest).
I think maybe you're reading too much into the fact I didn't say "I changed my mind because of Post #xx and #yy", instead just saying "I changed my mind".
For Vaimes I was just going to trust Tom until I had my own opinion. I still haven't done a proper deep read on Vaimes because I'm quite popular atm. But it's definitely a priority for me. I wouldn't push him to claim or lynch without doing the work myself.
That is not a hedge? Do I not know what hedge means?
i mean hedging is bad mafia terminology for contradicting yourself.
The main takeaway from that post should be "reading people for hedging is meaningless go deeper"
Oh, I thought it was just a shorter term for fence-sitting. Man all these new vocabulary words are throwing me off. Who's Al btw?
Can you tell me why you were townreading me? Or why you thought I was voting Jack?
Just looked at the VC and thought "I like the players more here than I do over there" and picked a direction to go. I probably should have done more research on each of those players on the wagon (you and Grape) but I was feeling confident. Some of your early posts gave me town-vibes but it's been waning. I'm probably relying too much on ancient meta.
Pagr 8 now and I'm still waiting for the inner Zionite to pop out and regale us with his presence. He's still not here. 357 feels hollow.
Funny, I started my post just before this. 357 Might feel hollow because I wasn't even feeling it as I wrote it. But it was already mostly done so I figured why not, I'll do this and backtrack later, or investigate further anyone who bites and follows it. Basically kept that read closer to the chest. I still feel strongly about the point of only investigating players voting for yourself though.
So as a wolf, you are telling me you try to emulate...fluff posting? What does a failure to do so look like? Are you more of a lurker, do you post mostly content, or...
I try to emulate my townplay, which consists of a fair amount of either fluff or snark. Again, it really depends on the player list. I try to read the room.
Definitely more of a lurker. I think it's better to avoid spew.
Also I'm gonna echo what KCC said about what you define as meta reads. I don't expect anyone to accept "that's just the way I am so suck it" reads, but it's more like I feel that you are taking a round peg square hole approach with me.
Meta defenses are terrible, and I don't use meta and am super against it. Pretty outspoken about so.
Are you saying you're against someone using "oh that's just how I play" as their only explanation for something, or are you saying you're against taking a person's playstyle into account when reading them? Or somewhere in between?
More the former. I don't really take meta as a serious read when I enter a game and start looking at them. I think meta is terrible because I think most people are aware of their own meta.
In your instance, Vaimes, I am aware you are a fluff poster. I still expect hunting/alignment figuring out, and telling you I am not seeing any hunting or alignment gathering from you. This isn't me going after you for being a round hole, this is me going after you because I feel like you aren't hunting. There is no world I live in where non-hunting = town. I feel like you aren't hunting.
I also don't get why you are so defensive. You aren't the main focus as of now. Less fluff and more hunting would get me to back off.
Most of my posting is at work when I am not being watched: So I couldn't even name half the players. Off the top of my head:
Me
Last
KJ
tom
Vaimes
Many Capital Letters
Sloth
Jack
KCC
Zionite
I assume everyone else is lurkier than I am. And I feel super low posting. Part of it admittedly is slowing down so I avoid burn out.
Vaimes, how are you reading Zio right now? Curse hasn't bought that auto vote thing MU has and I don't want to look back a page to figure out if you are voting him right now.
For the record @KCC, my buddy from Michigan has a Turkish Van. Beautiful cat. Derpy as hell, but somehow also smart. Pure white with black ears and a black tail. Your title made me appreciate that.
More the former. I don't really take meta as a serious read when I enter a game and start looking at them. I think meta is terrible because I think most people are aware of their own meta.
In your instance, Vaimes, I am aware you are a fluff poster. I still expect hunting/alignment figuring out, and telling you I am not seeing any hunting or alignment gathering from you. This isn't me going after you for being a round hole, this is me going after you because I feel like you aren't hunting. There is no world I live in where non-hunting = town. I feel like you aren't hunting.
I also don't get why you are so defensive. You aren't the main focus as of now. Less fluff and more hunting would get me to back off.
Because I make it a point to poke and prod at the people who have issues with me to suss out whether they're being legit or not. If I just wanted to avoid confrontation, I'd have ignored you.
Vaimes, how are you reading Zio right now? Curse hasn't bought that auto vote thing MU has and I don't want to look back a page to figure out if you are voting him right now.
I'm trying to let him do his thing. Historically, I feel like there's some weird scumhunting rift between people who play here now and people who played more years ago. I don't really know how to describe it, but I notice that it causes the older crowd to get a lot of heat early on.
That said, 4/5 of my townreads are voting him and his wagon hasn't really budged beyond that (at least before KCC voted).
More the former. I don't really take meta as a serious read when I enter a game and start looking at them. I think meta is terrible because I think most people are aware of their own meta.
In your instance, Vaimes, I am aware you are a fluff poster. I still expect hunting/alignment figuring out, and telling you I am not seeing any hunting or alignment gathering from you. This isn't me going after you for being a round hole, this is me going after you because I feel like you aren't hunting. There is no world I live in where non-hunting = town. I feel like you aren't hunting.
I also don't get why you are so defensive. You aren't the main focus as of now. Less fluff and more hunting would get me to back off.
Because I make it a point to poke and prod at the people who have issues with me to suss out whether they're being legit or not. If I just wanted to avoid confrontation, I'd have ignored you.
I don't feel like you are poking and prodding though. I feel like you are being dismissive.
What do you mean by "wrong"? Is his opinion wrong, or is his conclusion wrong?
Scum: I try my best to emulate the above. Whenever people catch onto me, scum-anger starts to leak out. I tend to throw in the towel rather than fight. I've gotten better, but still struggle with casing villagers and endgaming. If I'm playing well, it's usually because I'm vibing well with my team.
My most recent scumgames are here, Game of Thrones and Hill House.
Also of relevance is that he was already voting Jack at this point, joke or not.
He's falseclaimg a N0 for reactions and/or fun
He did it as a scum gambit not long ago and I didn't believe it then either
Ok so you're a little more than 1/3 of the way through...that's enough to have some sort of opinion on something. What are these "interesting" things? Being cryptic isn't helping scum hunt and the coy act isn't making you come off towny.
I always skip my posts though because cringe.
THAT WAS HILARIOUS
Thinking on it, I very likely got angry after being outed/trapped, so that one might not be accurate. Plus as scum I'm always worried my [scum feelings] are more obvious than they actually are.
I definitely get pissy in scumchat though!
******* KJ and ******* Voxx.
That post feeling wrong is definitely what tipped him into being my lead suspect. He's certainly not in my town pile or anything now, but idk, poking there more doesn't feel fruitful atm. Like, I can understand why a townGrape might have reacted as he did initially to jack
ISO
KJ, I'd Thumbs Up your post if I could.
After he answers, can someone who knows him substantiate?
Also @Jack can you provide some town and wolf games for me to check?
I am not satisfied you are trying to solve people's alignments. I am a man of simple reads. I either think you are hunting/alignment solving, or I think you aren't.
Meta defenses are terrible, and I don't use meta and am super against it. Pretty outspoken about so.
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Sorry when I read this post I really wanted to make this joke.
Come on KJ. The n0 check has been pretty standard MU memeing over here. It's super null, and not worth the analysis.
I don't get why bring it up when the meat of your point is that LW is a townread of yours.
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Also I don't play on MU all that much. (Though the one game I played in you figured out I was town real quick)
Are you saying you're against someone using "oh that's just how I play" as their only explanation for something, or are you saying you're against taking a person's playstyle into account when reading them? Or somewhere in between?
So it's more likely over there than here probably. I think the one I had on DitF was maybe the first one on MTGS? I haven't read every game though.
So as a wolf, you are telling me you try to emulate...fluff posting? What does a failure to do so look like? Are you more of a lurker, do you post mostly content, or...
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Should we? No. But I don't mind playing it out. Looks like that's where we're headed anyway. Like I said before, I feel I have a habit of taking too much spotlight, for better or worse.
1. Yep, totally wasn't paying enough attention to KCC. I deserve this one.
2. Well, I think there's a difference between backtracking openly and trying not to look like backtracking. I'm doing the former here.
3. Was posting on mobile before bed at 3am. My initial reads kind of matched up with what Grape was doing so I liked it. But now I'm liking him less. I could do a more thorough read on him but I don't think it's a productive use right now.
4. LW is less meme-y now and that's where I prefer the posts to be. I was assuming it was gonna be an all-Day thing at first.
I literally can't prove that I'm town though. So that's why I'm more of a "let's just get this over with" instead of "I'm town you gotta believe me". Besides, I thought the standard was innocent until proven guilty? So what sort of proof are you looking for? Are we requiring this for every player? I get what you're saying and I get a good town-read from it, but I don't know how to resolve what you're looking for without pushing me to a lynch.
Finally you've committed! This is amazing.
Jokes aside, I don't think I'm cowing to peer pressure here. It's a genuine read. I've read some of your comments as town but just as many as scummy so I really don't know right now. I'm just glad you're not fence-sitting anymore. Would I support a wagon on you? Yes. Am I going to tunnel on you? Probably not.
Yeah like I said at the beginning of the post, "I'll post more later". Was late and on mobile but wanted to get my thoughts down. KCC's early posts were giving me town vibes but less so now, same with Grape but for different reasons. Now I'm less sure on them and more sure on others. I could go into it more but doesn't seem like a good use of a post.
It seems to me you're failing to see my points. The things you're accusing me of are things you admit to doing yourself. So if that makes me scum, wouldn't you also be scum? Assuming the answer is No, then why are your points valid in my case but not yours?
I like that you're owning the Flarg comment instead of trying to explain it away. I'm also owning my backtracking in that I'm doing it on purpose.
The difference for the Grape thing is that he was going harder on you than I was and I was already second guessing the whole thing (but kept that read closer to the chest).
I think maybe you're reading too much into the fact I didn't say "I changed my mind because of Post #xx and #yy", instead just saying "I changed my mind".
For Vaimes I was just going to trust Tom until I had my own opinion. I still haven't done a proper deep read on Vaimes because I'm quite popular atm. But it's definitely a priority for me. I wouldn't push him to claim or lynch without doing the work myself.
Oh, I thought it was just a shorter term for fence-sitting. Man all these new vocabulary words are throwing me off. Who's Al btw?
Just looked at the VC and thought "I like the players more here than I do over there" and picked a direction to go. I probably should have done more research on each of those players on the wagon (you and Grape) but I was feeling confident. Some of your early posts gave me town-vibes but it's been waning. I'm probably relying too much on ancient meta.
Funny, I started my post just before this. 357 Might feel hollow because I wasn't even feeling it as I wrote it. But it was already mostly done so I figured why not, I'll do this and backtrack later, or investigate further anyone who bites and follows it. Basically kept that read closer to the chest. I still feel strongly about the point of only investigating players voting for yourself though.
No don't go, I just got here!
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Definitely more of a lurker. I think it's better to avoid spew.
Also I'm gonna echo what KCC said about what you define as meta reads. I don't expect anyone to accept "that's just the way I am so suck it" reads, but it's more like I feel that you are taking a round peg square hole approach with me.
More the former. I don't really take meta as a serious read when I enter a game and start looking at them. I think meta is terrible because I think most people are aware of their own meta.
In your instance, Vaimes, I am aware you are a fluff poster. I still expect hunting/alignment figuring out, and telling you I am not seeing any hunting or alignment gathering from you. This isn't me going after you for being a round hole, this is me going after you because I feel like you aren't hunting. There is no world I live in where non-hunting = town. I feel like you aren't hunting.
I also don't get why you are so defensive. You aren't the main focus as of now. Less fluff and more hunting would get me to back off.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Me
Last
KJ
tom
Vaimes
Many Capital Letters
Sloth
Jack
KCC
Zionite
I assume everyone else is lurkier than I am. And I feel super low posting. Part of it admittedly is slowing down so I avoid burn out.
Vaimes, how are you reading Zio right now? Curse hasn't bought that auto vote thing MU has and I don't want to look back a page to figure out if you are voting him right now.
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Ew. I'm pretty relaxed under pressure, but I wasn't even this bad after being CCed
Ewwww This is not a real thought you had
vote Zion
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That said, 4/5 of my townreads are voting him and his wagon hasn't really budged beyond that (at least before KCC voted).
I don't feel like you are poking and prodding though. I feel like you are being dismissive.
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