Every single part of me is itching to vote myself just to watch the look on your stupid faces when I flip town.
But, maybe I will be surprised.
Jack and Rod have no interst in solving and it is such a ******* joke that there is likely a town between them. Like seriously, if this is the extent you are willing to post or play, why the **** were you frustrated the day(s) ended so quickly?
Every single part of me is itching to vote myself just to watch the look on your stupid faces when I flip town.
But, maybe I will be surprised.
Jack and Rod have no interst in solving and it is such a ******* joke that there is likely a town between them. Like seriously, if this is the extent you are willing to post or play, why the **** were you frustrated the day(s) ended so quickly?
I'm more frustrated at your approach and attitude today and nothing says me voting you means I'm not doing other stuff in the mean time. Anything that does fit your world view is trash, they is no attempt to see things in a different way. You clearly see me as scum more then rod like you just said so vote me or stay on Kpaca, if he flips scum which I doubt then lynch me tomorrow and you win. If he does flip scum though I accept that I'm wrong in my world view like I already said I only see 2 possible scum teams atm. I just see you and Tom as the more likely. Out of the two I see you as the more scummy as well so this should not be a shock.
Every single part of me is itching to vote myself just to watch the look on your stupid faces when I flip town.
But, maybe I will be surprised.
Jack and Rod have no interst in solving and it is such a ******* joke that there is likely a town between them. Like seriously, if this is the extent you are willing to post or play, why the **** were you frustrated the day(s) ended so quickly?
except we do? Just because our opinions differ doesn’t mean we don’t care. There you go again spewing misinfo.
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Every single part of me is itching to vote myself just to watch the look on your stupid faces when I flip town.
But, maybe I will be surprised.
Jack and Rod have no interst in solving and it is such a ******* joke that there is likely a town between them. Like seriously, if this is the extent you are willing to post or play, why the **** were you frustrated the day(s) ended so quickly?
so far in this game, self votes have been 100% indicative of scum. So go ahead?
also why are YOU so frustrated? You can get the kpaca lunch without me and jack. I am just.... astounded by the amount of effort you are putting in pretending to be actually frustrated.
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I'm more frustrated at your approach and attitude today and nothing says me voting you means I'm not doing other stuff in the mean time.
You aren't. You literally aren't. You playing around in your echo chamber that you don't even know is fully town doesn't magically mean you are convincing the (even if you are correct)two villagers who are trying to solve with the two other wolves. My attitude is clear frustration with breaking my back trying to solve and watching a player. If you want to argue my frustration is that I played such a buddy up game with tom, and am made that lolRod somehow caught that, go ahead and make that argument. If you ignore every sane possible alternative, I can see how you would read that way. If you are wolf, kudos for taking a bold path to victory, but if you can just ride ZDS, I guess he is handing you the game on a silver platter.
Anything that does fit your world view is trash, they is no attempt to see things in a different way.
My world view is that I am town, and tom is almost certainly town through heavy solving and spew. I feel certain, albeit less so in ZDS so that leaves 4. Even if I am wrong about the other two, any wolf view that has me buddies with tom or anyone just does not fit. Let's be hnoest with each other. Outside of your chat, you have done nothing. And if it was really because the days ended too quickly, here is your golden opportunity.
Because I am going to be straight with you. I cannot allow myself to go today. The game is over because there is not a single player other than tom that I would believe that could solve the game from there. And I think there is real chance he does get shot because there is a reason tom gets shot early: He is a scary played to thunderdome.
You clearly see me as scum more then rod like you just said so vote me or stay on Kpaca,
Rod's play makes no sense from either perspective. I could literally flip a coin on his alignment and not be shocked by the result. My best town read of him is based on vaimes so heh.
if he flips scum which I doubt then lynch me tomorrow and you win.
I am not a wolf. Who are the other wolves? If you are really town, you should be thinking that.
If I was a wolf, tom probably is just the obvious lynch tomorrow so no reason to ask that.
If he does flip scum though I accept that I'm wrong in my world view like I already said I only see 2 possible scum teams atm. I just see you and Tom as the more likely. Out of the two I see you as the more scummy as well so this should not be a shock.
There is no ******* way in the universe of universes, am I ever wolves with tom, would I ever play as a wolf like that as a buddy even if I wwas invested in power wolfing.
except we do?
Calling anyone who OMGUS wolves, and then riding ZDS does not constitute solving. Even the way you treat the situation with the masons. Why is my conclusion inconceivable as town?
Because frankly, I can't see how as town you miss LW being a mason unless you just didn't give enough of a ***** about this game to care. I disagree with tom. I don't think you maliciously tried to get wagon going on LW. It was my guess that you just looked at the role and mehed. Even if you did do the boneheaded thing as town, that fact that you didn't take 5 seconds to look at the ******* front page to see who is in that cellblock tells me you weren't interested in solving. That's indisputable.
also why are YOU so frustrated? You can get the kpaca lunch without me and jack. I am just.... astounded by the amount of effort you are putting in pretending to be actually frustrated.
Because despite being called bravado, I am anything but. I am not 100% sure Jack/Kpaca clinches it. How tom feels about me, that's how I feel about you. I have hairs on the back of my neck and tinfoil about ZDS, and YMV, I am wondering if I am letting her off too easy. The difference is that I am willing to admit I am not working in a perfect world. I need this interaction, and this back and forth. I need to not die because I don't see town lynching correctly twice. I think if I flip town, despite all this G/tom GJ/tom, GJ/tom, I find it not unlikely that you dig your heels in further, go awe shucks, wrong about one, BUT TOM." and then end the game.
If I thought you even had one wolf right in either of your piles, maybe I'd feel a bit more comfortable. But the fact that 7 players all have different ideas about not just 1 wolf, but BOTH makes me uncomfortable.
Of course right brain and left brain were going to nitpick and complain about my summary. I should have seen it coming. All they are trying to do at this point is destroy a likely-town block, meanwhile they have acted as a unit for much longer than we have (only without being as explicit about it).
Look. I'm not saying Rodemy and Jackrito are 100% town. Maybe Rod is giggling like a little girl every time I shield him and maybe Jack is having the time of his life coasting.
I'm saying they are far townier than the guy who used to only ever take the safe option even when standing under the spotlight, the guy who takes pride in pushing every lynch so far but actually has had ZERO influence on the only scum lynch, and the guy who oh-so-coindentially acted as a textbook buddy to the only flipped scum.
I'm wrong about at least one of these, because of numbers, and unlike my cellmates I'm not sure right brain and left brain are scum together. It's a possibility I can't ignore, but it also requires gutsy play from the entire scumteam.
I also don't think kpaca and tom are scum together, because if tom wanted town cred for trying to get Flarg lynched Day 3 he would have used analysis, not a calculator. And kpaca is the scummier of the two, even if tom pings my scumdar like the Bloop every time he bull*****s about having anything to do with getting any scum lynched.
My most likely scumpairs are kpaca/Johnny and Johnny/tom. Logically I should be voting Johnny since his flip will make or break both my teams, but pragmatically I know I'm unlikely to succeed (I'd need YWF's support since tom's is obviously not coming and since I don't trust kpaca, and she has expressed no interest in the case that I remember).
So I'm voting kpaca, who we should lynch instead of getting all divided a couple days before the deadline.
First of all, no i didn't vote for vaimes in the super short day.
But i did spend the entire day before concluding he was the most likely scum while making the correct statistical choice to lynch the SK.
Second, whats nitpicky about not trusting reads based on ***** i cant see?
Like, part of your explanation for his cell chat stuff that makes you townread him is getting the ball rolling on <his and rods current push> of a vaimes/me/johnny team n3
I could lynch vaimes but he would be after those two. Him being called low impact is true his stance on Tom today is the most memorable thing he has done I think. Even that I feel he is riding the wave of momentum. I feel that his frusation at yesterday was real though and that comes more from town. Him and Rod seem to very opposed as well so I think only one in them is scum and Rod is more likely. I would perfer Rhand over him as well.
Yes, thats from before this solving youre talking about. But ***** thats a bad look.
And based on HIM talking about it, it was only you, zds, that contributed the vaimes part and jack just attached me and johnny to him...
Rod and Flarg scum team is very possible since both KCC and Rod have heavily defended that slot. So I really today want one of them. More Flarg for mechanics reasons is more likely a hit Since I'm not sold on Tom as much.
What do you think of Vaimes?
I could lynch vaimes but he would be after those two. Him being called low impact is true his stance on Tom today is the most memorable thing he has done I think. Even that I feel he is riding the wave of momentum. I feel that his frusation at yesterday was real though and that comes more from town. Him and Rod seem to very opposed as well so I think only one in them is scum and Rod is more likely. I would perfer Rhand over him as well.
This whole day up until rhand had to claim featured quite a lot of jack pushing <anyone but vaimes>
What does being his cellmate have to do with his alignment?
Last few posts, every time I saw a vaimes post, it just felt like he was talking but nothing relevent was being said. I don't remember being super impressed with him either on my last few skims either.
It makes knowledge of his alignment more valuable to me because of the game mechanics?
I’ll post more later just keeping up with reading.
I definitely didn’t remember KCCs vote was RVS. I’m also feeling less confident KCC is town.
Tom is either really good at reads or scum going for points because “he knew” I’m town. I’m going with town and really good.
Jack wanting to Lynch Flarg for info was bad. I was even kind of second guessing going in on my last post but I figured it was already done and totally valid. Still is. My whole point was that hedging and lack of commitment isn’t necessarily and indicator of alignment. I also wanted to see how players responded. I still think he could be scum but less so now.
Also feeling better about Last whisper and Laser Letters given recent posts. I prefer the walls occasionally.
Grape seemed to drop Jack kinda fast, felt he was going harder than I was. I’m less confident in Grape now.
I think I should barn Tom on Vaimes because I’ve consistently liked his posts the most. Then later actually read Vaimes to see if it’s a good bet to run up. But with players like sloth hung up on me it might be worth running myself up just to get it over with.
But yes, now the thread is getting juicy.
I actually can't believe how much you have backtracked on this and it bothers me. This looks like you just gave into peer pressure then actual belief, which is not normal for town to do.
Also stop flipping on reads for no reason explain to me how you did not know KCC was a RVS vote when it was their first post, also what about them was town, and what changed. I need to understand the logic here. Since the same flip happened with Grape.
Post about Tom knowing you are town bothers me because it just comes across as a way to try and tell people you are town indirectly rather then add anything. I know I also did this in regards to KCC but I'a hypocrite like I said.
I'm started to get annoyed with this Flarge info thing as well, since it lasted a total of 20 mins and I never even went anywhere with it, how much people bring it up makes it seem like I voted him and still want him dead. I explained why I said what I did and stand by it even if wrong.
Also what makes me less scum and why did Wisp and lazer go up as well don't throw at blank statements with no reasons. Also you are doing same thing you want to scumread grape on.
Finally surely you should have own reasons to vote Vaimes instead of following Tom and what posts did you like by Tom in the first place, I'm also not letting last part which is a slight ATE pass about being run up by sloth so.
Vote : Zionite
You are being even more hedgey then me in this post, and backtracking far too much.
Jacks vote puts Zion at 4 when id been working pretty hard to dismantle the wagon and he didnt engage with that at all. Comes in response to a 3rd vaimes vote (me/gj/zion)
Seeing them stripped from the fluff like that, a lot of his points are purely conditional.
Its starting from someone elses towncore, or comparing two reactions, or only if hes a wolf with tom, or why defend kj not zion
Push on me i cant be objective on but didnt feel right
To speak to playstyle, its not that hes fluffy its that he plays a social game. But hes definitely capable of accomplishing a lot more.
Hes not always proactive as town but he can be. And the only time i can get to a townread of him is when he does
He does have motivation problems as scum. Or at least he used to.
But if hes forcing it hard this is definitely what the iso looks like i think.
I think vaimes votes on me, both today and after sloth case, feel more like he thinks im vulnerable than he thinks im scum.
Doesnt track with the townvaimes in my mind thats, to be fair, ~always willing to lynch me and possibly even excited about it. But here its too businesslike
Or something
KJ (8): Tubba, Vaimes, Tom, GJ, Grape, Zion, Rhand, KCCodemy Zion (3): sloth, Jack, YWF grape (1): KJ
Not Voting (3): ZDS, Last, Flarg
Rod (6): Last, Vaimes, YWF, Zion, GJ, Jack Zion (4): Tubba, ZDS, Flarg, Rhand
Rhand (2): tom, rod
Tom (1): Sloth
Probably just no zds in this world. Bussing happens but like
Yeah
(Actually ive been eliminating zds from most worlds. Noted)
I guess vaimes could have been bussing kccslot?
He could be with rhand or flarg (partner or SK?) but both feels excessive. Flarg awkward around him. Really its all iffy out of that cell. Idk.
A cell being two wolves + SK seems OP...
3 wolves maybe in a chosen setup but OP says random and
Moving on
Just talked about jacks Zion vote. Bit of a vaimes chainsaw for sure.
Vaimes and gj could be distancing that went nowhere?
Vaimes never voted Jack, either. If I let my paranoid side take over I could find reasons to vote literally anyone besides myself. I'm not doing it because that is the exact opposite of what we need.
We need town reads. We need PoE. I'm taking a gamble by clearing players for admittedly debatable reasons because we need focus.
Doubting questionable reads that i not only CANNOT see, but what i can see shows a different picture
Who would i even be spreading doubt to? Youre the only member of your towncore worth talking to and neither of them have any chance of changing anyway, ywf and gj clearly already agree in various ways, and kpaca doesnt actually exist and is going to die anyway
We dont need town reads. We need correct reads.
We need clarity and information.
We definitely dont need focus we need a broad view.
I still believe a rodemy lynch accomplishes that best.
Yes, thats because i think hes most likely scum, and that flip clears half the game (i assume including myself)
A townflip there is obviously much worse, but still fairly informative towards mindset around wagons and removes the obvious liability and uncertainty of rodemy in lylo.
Of course that last bit also applies to kpaca. I hate the idea of him being alive with the game on the line. And knowing his alignment gives clarity to looking st reactions to his claim, maybe rhands claim, etc.
Which is who were lynching today. We both know this. You might die tonight leave us with mother******* something that i can actually work with on your cellmates if thats a thing you believe in
I mean, it sounds like I have the game entirely wrapped in your universe. You even told me how to win. You think tom wouldn't have figured that out himself?
Kflarga flips town. Zds is the night kill. Leaves me jack Tom ywf and Johnny.
I can’t get Johnny lynched without jack and ywf. But most likely it will be me on the chopping block tomorrow and we will lose.
Good game I guess.
This is where I'm at as well.If we mislynch today and the scum team is Johnny Tom they just control the game like always and mislynch me or you tomorrow for the win. If I'm forced to for the lynch I go for Kpaca and maybe I'm wrong and scum team is Kpaca and Rod. Which makes me a dumbass who has being wrong on everything this game it would not be the first time or the last. I refuse to back down on my beliefs just yet though, I may look like I'm doing nothing but I am trying to review my reads when I have time.
Vaimes never voted Jack, either. If I let my paranoid side take over I could find reasons to vote literally anyone besides myself. I'm not doing it because that is the exact opposite of what we need.
We need town reads. We need PoE. I'm taking a gamble by clearing players for admittedly debatable reasons because we need focus.
Since I am not in fact a wolf, and am almost certain there is one wolf riding ZDS, I am never going to break into it, I have to find the wolf not in that section. Of the players remaining, the most likely out of Kpaca/tom/YMV is Kpaca. Tom is maybe the only other player that is pushing and solving. And while I come to different conclusions. YMV also reads pretty well, and while paranoia of low solving in the middle is a thing, along with a weird Vaimes interaction, it isn't enough to make me want the slot dead.
That leaves Kpaca, who the paranoia of YMV also applies here, in addition to not really having any of the other positive. This game has been a nightmare for town. Rhand basically played as a wolf this game, we had two replacements on two active wagons that basically through away so much momentum. Too many people have been coasting, and sheer numbers means they can't all be wolves.
The one other thing I almost forgot about Flarg is Rhand was convinced they were a wolf. And per his role, he had a very high motivation to try and get a wolf that day. Rhand isn't infalliable, but with the masons outed and out their vest, if he correctly lynches a wolf, he just shoots a mason and then wins. If that was the only think I had on the Kpaca slot, I would likely ignore it. But it just feels like another hit.
And the end of the day, I don't really know. Jack=Kpaca>Rod probably wins the game.
it was a ******* pressure vote which I made clear with the words stop lurking. I've been saying for days we need to see more from him. Rod keeps saying he thinks he's town and won't vote anyone but you and Tom.
...what the HELL is wrong with your slot? When I clearly add "stop lurking"to my post and we HAVE DAYS LEFT?
*shrug* he’s gonna die anyway. Might as well get the flip so this game can end. Are you that surprised? I suck at this game. I’m wrong about everything.
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...what the HELL is wrong with your slot? When I clearly add "stop lurking"to my post and we HAVE DAYS LEFT?
*shrug* he’s gonna die anyway. Might as well get the flip so this game can end. Are you that surprised? I suck at this game. I’m wrong about everything.
I didn't say you sucked. I said if you were town, you didn't give a *****, or weren't trying to solve in that moment.
You aren't willing to reflect on your reads. Like, at all. You don't have a single read for someone who didn't call you a wolf. It's an easy tunnel to get into, I have gone there a few times myself.
Look on the bright side: If Kpaca is a wolf, I probably go after Jack first.
...what the HELL is wrong with your slot? When I clearly add "stop lurking"to my post and we HAVE DAYS LEFT?
*shrug* he’s gonna die anyway. Might as well get the flip so this game can end. Are you that surprised? I suck at this game. I’m wrong about everything.
I didn't say you sucked. I said if you were town, you didn't give a *****, or weren't trying to solve in that moment.
You aren't willing to reflect on your reads. Like, at all. You don't have a single read for someone who didn't call you a wolf. It's an easy tunnel to get into, I have gone there a few times myself.
Look on the bright side: If Kpaca is a wolf, I probably go after Jack first.
I do have reads and I have stated them time and again. It started with who was trying to lynch kcc. Then I focused on that pool and got you and Tom. Tom for neglecting to concider vaimes pushing me eod2 over a town slot
and you for twisting my intentions with that mega derp.
It’s not just because you were wolf reading me. It just started the process and look, it really ****in helped. It got me concrete reads and my pool is STILL IN THE GAME.
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...what the HELL is wrong with your slot? When I clearly add "stop lurking"to my post and we HAVE DAYS LEFT?
*shrug* he’s gonna die anyway. Might as well get the flip so this game can end. Are you that surprised? I suck at this game. I’m wrong about everything.
I didn't say you sucked. I said if you were town, you didn't give a *****, or weren't trying to solve in that moment.
You aren't willing to reflect on your reads. Like, at all. You don't have a single read for someone who didn't call you a wolf. It's an easy tunnel to get into, I have gone there a few times myself.
Look on the bright side: If Kpaca is a wolf, I probably go after Jack first.
I do have reads and I have stated them time and again. It started with who was trying to lynch kcc. Then I focused on that pool and got you and Tom. Tom for neglecting to concider vaimes pushing me eod2 over a town slot
and you for twisting my intentions with that mega derp.
It’s not just because you were wolf reading me. It just started the process and look, it really ****in helped. It got me concrete reads and my pool is STILL IN THE GAME.
See, that's the disconnect. I am not "twisting" your intentions. I don't know what to make of that. The action of not backing down from LW despite people yelling at you doesn't make sense as either alignment. And that's the thing: I didn't twist your intention. I argued you lacked any intention at all. Why did you have no interest in the other mason(s), even if it worked like a traditional mason, and not just "lol its my cellblock"? To me, the logical explanation is that you didn't care. You didn't display any curiosity about his role, and no, that is isn't "twisting your intention". It's a motherloving fact, reinforced by basically being screamed at by multiple players to reread his role.
If that's really why I am a wolf for that one post I don't know what to say. You were a wolf with me in playstation, did I really jump at the opportunity every time a town made a mistake? That has never been my style, mostly because of how much blowback it gets when the slip is a town slip. If there is one wolf tell that is consistent in any of my games, it's my constant need to not get my hands dirty. That's not to say I won't try to start 'bad' wagons on townies, but I won't be the one that tries to break a universal town read as a wolf. Complete wifom in this game, but take it as you will.
Your problem in mafia from either alignment is you lack the ability to empathize. You can't ever look in a mirror and understand why you might be getting wolf or town read, and just assume (if you are wolf) that they don't know *****, or (if you are town) that anyone pushing you has to be a wolf because I am objectively town. The latter is not unique to you, for the record.
I would ignore this post for the sake of my own alignment, but do with it as you will.
You won't ******* budge from your wolves to voting with them when you yourself basically spilled out how we win if your reads are correct?
My brain just exploded.
we’ve already lost. Tomorrow it’s you Tom and ywf voting me. Let’s just end this ***** game
What? You couldn't convince ZDS to go me today? Do you really believe that?
I know how ZDS feels about Kpaca, but all you had to do was get ZDS to vote me. Kpaca wouldn't have had a hard time self pressing.
Tom would have gotten here and killed kpaca. You know that. I know that. He wants me dead but also kpaca. It would be an easy vote for him.
See, I am not so certain about that. And even if that was true, why not let him dig that grave? Frankly, I think he was hoping to see more from Kpaca, but now we will never know.
After a short crisis of identity, one more of your midst was judged unworthy to live any longer. As the days grow shorter, the inmates seem less and less sane.
kpaca has been lynched! He was:
Player: kpaca
Name: Benjamin Stutgrend
Cell: E
Profession: Warehouse Foreman
Most recent conviction(s): Gross negligence, involuntary manslaughter
Alignment: Town
Role: Vanilla
It is now night 6. Please submit all actions by March 31, 1700 MST (This night is only 30 hours).
If I'm wrong on this I likely get lynched tomorrow but that is a risk I'm willing to take.
But, maybe I will be surprised.
Jack and Rod have no interst in solving and it is such a ******* joke that there is likely a town between them. Like seriously, if this is the extent you are willing to post or play, why the **** were you frustrated the day(s) ended so quickly?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I'm more frustrated at your approach and attitude today and nothing says me voting you means I'm not doing other stuff in the mean time. Anything that does fit your world view is trash, they is no attempt to see things in a different way. You clearly see me as scum more then rod like you just said so vote me or stay on Kpaca, if he flips scum which I doubt then lynch me tomorrow and you win. If he does flip scum though I accept that I'm wrong in my world view like I already said I only see 2 possible scum teams atm. I just see you and Tom as the more likely. Out of the two I see you as the more scummy as well so this should not be a shock.
except we do? Just because our opinions differ doesn’t mean we don’t care. There you go again spewing misinfo.
so far in this game, self votes have been 100% indicative of scum. So go ahead?
also why are YOU so frustrated? You can get the kpaca lunch without me and jack. I am just.... astounded by the amount of effort you are putting in pretending to be actually frustrated.
You aren't. You literally aren't. You playing around in your echo chamber that you don't even know is fully town doesn't magically mean you are convincing the (even if you are correct) two villagers who are trying to solve with the two other wolves. My attitude is clear frustration with breaking my back trying to solve and watching a player. If you want to argue my frustration is that I played such a buddy up game with tom, and am made that lolRod somehow caught that, go ahead and make that argument. If you ignore every sane possible alternative, I can see how you would read that way. If you are wolf, kudos for taking a bold path to victory, but if you can just ride ZDS, I guess he is handing you the game on a silver platter.
My world view is that I am town, and tom is almost certainly town through heavy solving and spew. I feel certain, albeit less so in ZDS so that leaves 4. Even if I am wrong about the other two, any wolf view that has me buddies with tom or anyone just does not fit. Let's be hnoest with each other. Outside of your chat, you have done nothing. And if it was really because the days ended too quickly, here is your golden opportunity.
Because I am going to be straight with you. I cannot allow myself to go today. The game is over because there is not a single player other than tom that I would believe that could solve the game from there. And I think there is real chance he does get shot because there is a reason tom gets shot early: He is a scary played to thunderdome.
Rod's play makes no sense from either perspective. I could literally flip a coin on his alignment and not be shocked by the result. My best town read of him is based on vaimes so heh.
I am not a wolf. Who are the other wolves? If you are really town, you should be thinking that.
If I was a wolf, tom probably is just the obvious lynch tomorrow so no reason to ask that.
There is no ******* way in the universe of universes, am I ever wolves with tom, would I ever play as a wolf like that as a buddy even if I wwas invested in power wolfing.
Calling anyone who OMGUS wolves, and then riding ZDS does not constitute solving. Even the way you treat the situation with the masons. Why is my conclusion inconceivable as town?
Because frankly, I can't see how as town you miss LW being a mason unless you just didn't give enough of a ***** about this game to care. I disagree with tom. I don't think you maliciously tried to get wagon going on LW. It was my guess that you just looked at the role and mehed. Even if you did do the boneheaded thing as town, that fact that you didn't take 5 seconds to look at the ******* front page to see who is in that cellblock tells me you weren't interested in solving. That's indisputable.
Because despite being called bravado, I am anything but. I am not 100% sure Jack/Kpaca clinches it. How tom feels about me, that's how I feel about you. I have hairs on the back of my neck and tinfoil about ZDS, and YMV, I am wondering if I am letting her off too easy. The difference is that I am willing to admit I am not working in a perfect world. I need this interaction, and this back and forth. I need to not die because I don't see town lynching correctly twice. I think if I flip town, despite all this G/tom GJ/tom, GJ/tom, I find it not unlikely that you dig your heels in further, go awe shucks, wrong about one, BUT TOM." and then end the game.
If I thought you even had one wolf right in either of your piles, maybe I'd feel a bit more comfortable. But the fact that 7 players all have different ideas about not just 1 wolf, but BOTH makes me uncomfortable.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
vote rod
Still feels correct and what id like to do before moving to kpaca at eod
Kpaca (2): GJ, ZDS
GJ (2): Rod, jack
Rod (1): tom
Not Voting (2): kpaca, YWF
Of course right brain and left brain were going to nitpick and complain about my summary. I should have seen it coming. All they are trying to do at this point is destroy a likely-town block, meanwhile they have acted as a unit for much longer than we have (only without being as explicit about it).
Look. I'm not saying Rodemy and Jackrito are 100% town. Maybe Rod is giggling like a little girl every time I shield him and maybe Jack is having the time of his life coasting.
I'm saying they are far townier than the guy who used to only ever take the safe option even when standing under the spotlight, the guy who takes pride in pushing every lynch so far but actually has had ZERO influence on the only scum lynch, and the guy who oh-so-coindentially acted as a textbook buddy to the only flipped scum.
I'm wrong about at least one of these, because of numbers, and unlike my cellmates I'm not sure right brain and left brain are scum together. It's a possibility I can't ignore, but it also requires gutsy play from the entire scumteam.
I also don't think kpaca and tom are scum together, because if tom wanted town cred for trying to get Flarg lynched Day 3 he would have used analysis, not a calculator. And kpaca is the scummier of the two, even if tom pings my scumdar like the Bloop every time he bull*****s about having anything to do with getting any scum lynched.
My most likely scumpairs are kpaca/Johnny and Johnny/tom. Logically I should be voting Johnny since his flip will make or break both my teams, but pragmatically I know I'm unlikely to succeed (I'd need YWF's support since tom's is obviously not coming and since I don't trust kpaca, and she has expressed no interest in the case that I remember).
So I'm voting kpaca, who we should lynch instead of getting all divided a couple days before the deadline.
But i did spend the entire day before concluding he was the most likely scum while making the correct statistical choice to lynch the SK.
Second, whats nitpicky about not trusting reads based on ***** i cant see?
Like, part of your explanation for his cell chat stuff that makes you townread him is getting the ball rolling on <his and rods current push> of a vaimes/me/johnny team n3
But then heres what i get to see
Yes, thats from before this solving youre talking about. But ***** thats a bad look.
And based on HIM talking about it, it was only you, zds, that contributed the vaimes part and jack just attached me and johnny to him...
This whole day up until rhand had to claim featured quite a lot of jack pushing <anyone but vaimes>
KJ(8):Tubba,Vaimes, Tom, GJ,Grape, Zion,Rhand, KCCodemyZion(3):sloth, Jack, YWFgrape(1):KJNot Voting (3): ZDS,
Last, FlargRod (6):
Last,Vaimes, YWF,Zion, GJ, JackZion(4):Tubba, ZDS, Flarg,Rhand(2): tom, rodRhand
Tom (1):
SlothRhand(6): Rodemy, kpaca,Vaimes, Tom,Tubba, GJVaimes(2): ZDS,RhandNot Voting (3): Jack, Last, YWF
Vaimes(5): ZDS, Jack, Rod, GJ,VaimesNot Voting (4): YWF,
Tubba, kpaca, TomWe need town reads. We need PoE. I'm taking a gamble by clearing players for admittedly debatable reasons because we need focus.
Only scum benefit from spreading doubt.
Doubting questionable reads that i not only CANNOT see, but what i can see shows a different picture
Who would i even be spreading doubt to? Youre the only member of your towncore worth talking to and neither of them have any chance of changing anyway, ywf and gj clearly already agree in various ways, and kpaca doesnt actually exist and is going to die anyway
We dont need town reads. We need correct reads.
We need clarity and information.
We definitely dont need focus we need a broad view.
I still believe a rodemy lynch accomplishes that best.
Yes, thats because i think hes most likely scum, and that flip clears half the game (i assume including myself)
A townflip there is obviously much worse, but still fairly informative towards mindset around wagons and removes the obvious liability and uncertainty of rodemy in lylo.
Of course that last bit also applies to kpaca. I hate the idea of him being alive with the game on the line. And knowing his alignment gives clarity to looking st reactions to his claim, maybe rhands claim, etc.
Which is who were lynching today. We both know this. You might die tonight leave us with mother******* something that i can actually work with on your cellmates if thats a thing you believe in
There you go tom. It’s all yours
Kflarga flips town. Zds is the night kill. Leaves me jack Tom ywf and Johnny.
I can’t get Johnny lynched without jack and ywf. But most likely it will be me on the chopping block tomorrow and we will lose.
Good game I guess.
If that's what you truly believe, why do you think tom hasn't voted? o-0
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
This is where I'm at as well.If we mislynch today and the scum team is Johnny Tom they just control the game like always and mislynch me or you tomorrow for the win. If I'm forced to for the lynch I go for Kpaca and maybe I'm wrong and scum team is Kpaca and Rod. Which makes me a dumbass who has being wrong on everything this game it would not be the first time or the last. I refuse to back down on my beliefs just yet though, I may look like I'm doing nothing but I am trying to review my reads when I have time.
Calm it down, Icarus.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Since I am not in fact a wolf, and am almost certain there is one wolf riding ZDS, I am never going to break into it, I have to find the wolf not in that section. Of the players remaining, the most likely out of Kpaca/tom/YMV is Kpaca. Tom is maybe the only other player that is pushing and solving. And while I come to different conclusions. YMV also reads pretty well, and while paranoia of low solving in the middle is a thing, along with a weird Vaimes interaction, it isn't enough to make me want the slot dead.
That leaves Kpaca, who the paranoia of YMV also applies here, in addition to not really having any of the other positive. This game has been a nightmare for town. Rhand basically played as a wolf this game, we had two replacements on two active wagons that basically through away so much momentum. Too many people have been coasting, and sheer numbers means they can't all be wolves.
The one other thing I almost forgot about Flarg is Rhand was convinced they were a wolf. And per his role, he had a very high motivation to try and get a wolf that day. Rhand isn't infalliable, but with the masons outed and out their vest, if he correctly lynches a wolf, he just shoots a mason and then wins. If that was the only think I had on the Kpaca slot, I would likely ignore it. But it just feels like another hit.
And the end of the day, I don't really know. Jack=Kpaca>Rod probably wins the game.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
vote kpaca I’m tired of waiting
The GJ way path to no lynching:
My brain just exploded.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I don't mean this as a snark response, but when you moved him to L-1, what did you think was going to happen?
THe only thing shocking was that Rod was the one to hammer, not that he got hammered.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
*shrug* he’s gonna die anyway. Might as well get the flip so this game can end. Are you that surprised? I suck at this game. I’m wrong about everything.
we’ve already lost. Tomorrow it’s you Tom and ywf voting me. Let’s just end this ***** game
I didn't say you sucked. I said if you were town, you didn't give a *****, or weren't trying to solve in that moment.
You aren't willing to reflect on your reads. Like, at all. You don't have a single read for someone who didn't call you a wolf. It's an easy tunnel to get into, I have gone there a few times myself.
Look on the bright side: If Kpaca is a wolf, I probably go after Jack first.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
What? You couldn't convince ZDS to go me today? Do you really believe that?
I know how ZDS feels about Kpaca, but all you had to do was get ZDS to vote me. Kpaca wouldn't have had a hard time self pressing.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I do have reads and I have stated them time and again. It started with who was trying to lynch kcc. Then I focused on that pool and got you and Tom. Tom for neglecting to concider vaimes pushing me eod2 over a town slot
and you for twisting my intentions with that mega derp.
It’s not just because you were wolf reading me. It just started the process and look, it really ****in helped. It got me concrete reads and my pool is STILL IN THE GAME.
Tom would have gotten here and killed kpaca. You know that. I know that. He wants me dead but also kpaca. It would be an easy vote for him.
See, that's the disconnect. I am not "twisting" your intentions. I don't know what to make of that. The action of not backing down from LW despite people yelling at you doesn't make sense as either alignment. And that's the thing: I didn't twist your intention. I argued you lacked any intention at all. Why did you have no interest in the other mason(s), even if it worked like a traditional mason, and not just "lol its my cellblock"? To me, the logical explanation is that you didn't care. You didn't display any curiosity about his role, and no, that is isn't "twisting your intention". It's a motherloving fact, reinforced by basically being screamed at by multiple players to reread his role.
If that's really why I am a wolf for that one post I don't know what to say. You were a wolf with me in playstation, did I really jump at the opportunity every time a town made a mistake? That has never been my style, mostly because of how much blowback it gets when the slip is a town slip. If there is one wolf tell that is consistent in any of my games, it's my constant need to not get my hands dirty. That's not to say I won't try to start 'bad' wagons on townies, but I won't be the one that tries to break a universal town read as a wolf. Complete wifom in this game, but take it as you will.
Your problem in mafia from either alignment is you lack the ability to empathize. You can't ever look in a mirror and understand why you might be getting wolf or town read, and just assume (if you are wolf) that they don't know *****, or (if you are town) that anyone pushing you has to be a wolf because I am objectively town. The latter is not unique to you, for the record.
I would ignore this post for the sake of my own alignment, but do with it as you will.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
See, I am not so certain about that. And even if that was true, why not let him dig that grave? Frankly, I think he was hoping to see more from Kpaca, but now we will never know.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Games not over boyo.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Kpaca (4): Gentleman Johnny, ZeDorkSlipeur, YWFMLF, Rodemy
Rodemy (1): Tomsloger
Gentleman Johnny (1): Jackrito
Not Voting (1): kpaca
That’s a Lynch! Flip will be up shortly.
After a short crisis of identity, one more of your midst was judged unworthy to live any longer. As the days grow shorter, the inmates seem less and less sane.
kpaca has been lynched! He was:
Name: Benjamin Stutgrend
Cell: E
Profession: Warehouse Foreman
Most recent conviction(s): Gross negligence, involuntary manslaughter
Alignment: Town
Role: Vanilla
It is now night 6. Please submit all actions by March 31, 1700 MST (This night is only 30 hours).
As fewer and fewer people wake up each day, you begin to wonder if crowded prisons really were so bad.
Jackrito was found with dead in the gym! His skull was crushed by the weight machine.
Jackrito has died! He was:
Name: Butch Hannidy
Cell: D
Profession: Sports Commentator
Most recent conviction(s): Breaking and entering, attempted murder
Alignment: Town
Role: Vanilla
It is now day 6, with 5 alive it is 3 to lynch. Deadline is April 7th at 1700 MST.
Zds is not dead.
discuss.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching: