I was thinking it will be you tom and YWF against me and Jack. And i would lose that battle due to-
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-you and tom and ywf all voting me. As stated before. The only reason to keep ZDS alive is (and here are the few things i could think of):
* He's scum *
* Move my vote off of you and tom and try and get ZDS mislynched*
And this is the problem. Because both are viable options. Even though the game doesn't revolve around me. There has to be a reason to keep ZDS alive. And i think it's to confuse the **** out of me. Hince your rather odd confusion. (even though the only options for you would be me ywf and now zds. 2 scum left that's like.. not confusing... pick one and most likely get scum)
So i am gonna stick with you and Tom. nice try.
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I pretty much was lock into my Kpaca/Jack leaving yesterday with hedge on you. But pretty much made it clear even if I was wrong on one, felt confidant about the other.
I don't ever want to look into a night kill too deeply because that means I have to know the motivation fully, but I can't see many worlds where YMV isn't a wolf. I know I die, the game is lost. Your cell would probably 3 way pile onto me.
I don't know for certain, and have to unscramble my brain, but the only team I can make sense of here is YMV/tom. I just, that can't be right, can it?
I was thinking it will be you tom and YWF against me and Jack. And i would lose that battle due to-
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-you and tom and ywf all voting me. As stated before. The only reason to keep ZDS alive is (and here are the few things i could think of):
* He's scum *
* Move my vote off of you and tom and try and get ZDS mislynched*
And this is the problem. Because both are viable options. Even though the game doesn't revolve around me. There has to be a reason to keep ZDS alive. And i think it's to confuse the **** out of me. Hince your rather odd confusion. (even though the only options for you would be me ywf and now zds. 2 scum left that's like.. not confusing... pick one and most likely get scum)
So i am gonna stick with you and Tom. nice try.
At least you have a logical reason for pairing me with ZDS that I can follow, compared to just brown nosing tom.
Why does ZDS start a wagon on his wolfmate yesterday? He could have easily justified tom just as easily from it would appear, your cell's block perspective.
Your conclusion isn't terrible, except if it weren't for my last post XD. Your brain if town should be exploding.
Your conclusion makes sense if not for one factor: I have no interest in lynching you today. Your logic is that Jack was killed, and you set up as the mislynch with tom, yes? And the only reason it would be Jack over ZDS is that Jack is a wolf. Killing outside of your tri would put ZDS at risk of being F3'd?
I assume that's your thought process before I go farther?
I am probably the easiest mislynch. tom has stated he will suspect me if Kpaca flips town, obviously your whole pod dislikes me. Why do I kill Jack over ZDS unless I am exactly wolves with him? If I am wolves with tom, I kill ZDS. Confusing you isn't my play there, my play would be to convince YMV you are the last wolf, right? How does showing I had another bad read v killing ZDS (who could be a strong town player, and a relative no knowledge nk) make sense if my goal is simply to gut you and win as the wolves?
Yes, that entire paragraph is WIFOM coming from me. And I am not going to lie, it that out of my wolf range that I make such a negative kill towards my own reads.
Someone is making a fool out of me or is trying to frame me.
I've become the elephant in the room, you guys need to address me so I can figure out what's going on. How does my survival affect your read on me, what do you think I should be doing, and what do you think should be done with me? Justify all three.
Last Night Rodemy was already pushing the if-ZDS-survives-he's-scum stance and Jack disagreed, and Jack wanted to go after tom but Rod disagreed. Now that Jack is dead a tom-Rod team seems very plausible, with me playing the part of the useful idiot who is supposed to defend Rod and/or attack Johnny, or who gets WIFOM-lynched.
Someone is making a fool out of me or is trying to frame me.
I've become the elephant in the room, you guys need to address me so I can figure out what's going on. How does my survival affect your read on me, what do you think I should be doing, and what do you think should be done with me? Justify all three.
Last Night Rodemy was already pushing the if-ZDS-survives-he's-scum stance and Jack disagreed, and Jack wanted to go after tom but Rod disagreed. Now that Jack is dead a tom-Rod team seems very plausible, with me playing the part of the useful idiot who is supposed to defend Rod and/or attack Johnny, or who gets WIFOM-lynched.
Oh snap. Conflict. I have more to say about this. Tune in at 11. (Work time)
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I may be the one being paranoid, of all players you are the one who most needs me alive if you're scum.
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Come to think of it, the only player who really needs me dead is scum-Johnny. Anyone else may have reasons to keep me alive (such as: to unleash me at town-Johnny). He doesn't.
So in spite of all the time I've spent re-reading him and of all his scumtells, I am clearing him for now.
Secondly, this NK has resulted in completely flipping common reads. YesterDay it was obvious the lynch would be Rodemy with an offside chance of Johnny, now it's a free-for-all where no one is safe.
This is probably exactly what the scum wanted, and this is why this is going to be my last NK-analysis post. I need to re-read non-Johnny players and ignore the WIFOM.
@YWF: What's your most likely scum-pair and why? @tom: Same question.
Keep in mind there are two wolves. I guess tom had a point. All of our logic would be flawless if there was only one wolf left, but with two, *****s awkward.
I will probably cast my vote first today after a bit of rereading. I have to assume if the wolves don't immediately flash, there is going to be a ton of discussion over the next few days and with a week towards deadline, ***** can be awkward. Assume these questions are asked in good faith:
@ZDS: You were correct that I wolf called Vaimes, but didn't commit to the wagon (admittedly, mostly because of the Rod/Flarg stuff). Why didn't you put your foot down specifically harder? I really didn't feel you forcing your way, other than that fps with Rodemy's claim.
@tom: With Kpaca flipping town, what are your nonwolf combos currently sitting? If you ignore what Jack death means, and just that he is out of the lynch pool, what is your most likely team?
@YMV: It felt like apart from Rodemy, you didn't really have any other wolf reads fleshed out. Even your Rhand read felt tied into Rodemy, and Flarg/Kpaca was mostly for pressure, but you didn't seem interested in that, and reacted quite negatively when Rodemy hammered. Where were you before Jack died, and after Kpaca flipped?
@Rodemy: I got nothing for you. I'll add something if I can think of something.
Ok today is a bit crazy and I wanted to take some time to read the game over a bit and consider this.
I still think Rod is scum. When it comes down to it he has been at best erratic as hell from the moment he subbed in. OMGUSing the slightest breeze that came his way. Changing his vote this way and that every other moment. Not reading the game and asking questions/making mistakes that have already been explained to other players. Not reading flips that contain important info that a town player would be looking for…needing to be told by 3 or 4 separate people to do so. Hammering on people he thinks are town cause he’s “impatient.” Its selfish not towny play. He’s not interested in winning the game…he’s interested in being “Right” (see the kappa hammer)
He’s been one of the wagons since he subbed in yet conveniently never seems to get to the point of lynch because someone doesn’t show or starts up another wagon to pull people off him. He should be the easiest mislynch to ever mislynch if he’s town. If this is his town play he’s way too risky to keep in
When it comes to a NK there were two town flips that would throw the game into a tail spin cluster****. Jack and Rod. It’s telling it was Jack. Scum wouldn’t keep Town Rod alive when he doesn’t even vote to his own wincon because he’s “frustrated”…early game that flailing is good for scum cause they can stay out of arms reach with so many other players. endgame its a hazard…he’s too chaotic. Jack hems and haws with his vote. He’s safer. So the only reason to kill Jack is Rod flips Scum.
Rod/ZDS: Superficially and obvious go to. He’s been plopped firmly down on ZDS’ coattails from the word go. if ZDS seems towny then Rod seems towny! Scum ZDS shows up today to see Rod’s distancing and throwout some of his own. The two distancing methods are night and day. one calm and targeted. the other throwing literally everything at the wall to see what sticks.
@gj: The kpaca vote was for pressure…I also built a case as to why I was suspicious. One no one responded much to but it was there. I reacted negatively cause he said point blank he didn’t think he was scum and I was trying to get some answers to better build MY read and Rod’s response was basically “LULZ NOPE IM BORED” So yea. that’s ******* annoying.
not gonna lie this isn’t a great day for me. Kinda pulled in too many directions at once work wise.
Gonna try and see if there are cases around rod and tom/GJ and see which of the three hit me hardest.
@Johnny My read on Vaimes wasn't that strong Day 2, I wanted to wait until I had properly re-read him to either mount an actual attack or start looking elsewhere. Iirc you can see me prodding him and trying to get him to post non-fluff, which he dodged (I don't know why he thought that would be a good idea).
@YWF
1) Why would scum ever kill town-Rod? When do scum ever NK such an easy mislynch as town-Rod?
2) Why would a Rod/me team ever NK Jack and give up on literally controlling the lynch?
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YWF's post made no sense, I'm moving to tom/YWF as most likely scumpair.
I think the other is ywf. Thinking I am scum with zds is poor. If I was scum with zds, I’d have killed him and had jack go with Johnny or Tom with me and zds. Jack was also on the Tom or Johnny wagon.
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it did not. You said jack if kpaca flips scum.
That it doesn't make sense.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
No ***** sherlock.
Tell me more than that please.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
What does that mean?
Why would you ever kill someone who is lined up with you? He probably votes with you, especially on me.
You see, I am town. Kill the nonwolf between tom/YMV or whoever. Lynch me, right?
Unless you are just playing dangerous for lols, your block had majority going into today.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Scum need 3 people to vote me:
I was thinking it will be you tom and YWF against me and Jack. And i would lose that battle due to-
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-you and tom and ywf all voting me. As stated before. The only reason to keep ZDS alive is (and here are the few things i could think of):
* He's scum *
* Move my vote off of you and tom and try and get ZDS mislynched*
And this is the problem. Because both are viable options. Even though the game doesn't revolve around me. There has to be a reason to keep ZDS alive. And i think it's to confuse the **** out of me. Hince your rather odd confusion. (even though the only options for you would be me ywf and now zds. 2 scum left that's like.. not confusing... pick one and most likely get scum)
So i am gonna stick with you and Tom. nice try.
ZDS being alive is not a plan. He was supposed to die last night. Hands down.
Sorry it took me so long to get here. Gotta cook with the woman <3
I don't ever want to look into a night kill too deeply because that means I have to know the motivation fully, but I can't see many worlds where YMV isn't a wolf. I know I die, the game is lost. Your cell would probably 3 way pile onto me.
I don't know for certain, and have to unscramble my brain, but the only team I can make sense of here is YMV/tom. I just, that can't be right, can it?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
i could be being framed. inb4 someone claims a Rod/ZDS scumteam.
God i hate this
At least you have a logical reason for pairing me with ZDS that I can follow, compared to just brown nosing tom.
Why does ZDS start a wagon on his wolfmate yesterday? He could have easily justified tom just as easily from it would appear, your cell's block perspective.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Your conclusion makes sense if not for one factor: I have no interest in lynching you today. Your logic is that Jack was killed, and you set up as the mislynch with tom, yes? And the only reason it would be Jack over ZDS is that Jack is a wolf. Killing outside of your tri would put ZDS at risk of being F3'd?
I assume that's your thought process before I go farther?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
My town perspective:
I am probably the easiest mislynch. tom has stated he will suspect me if Kpaca flips town, obviously your whole pod dislikes me. Why do I kill Jack over ZDS unless I am exactly wolves with him? If I am wolves with tom, I kill ZDS. Confusing you isn't my play there, my play would be to convince YMV you are the last wolf, right? How does showing I had another bad read v killing ZDS (who could be a strong town player, and a relative no knowledge nk) make sense if my goal is simply to gut you and win as the wolves?
Yes, that entire paragraph is WIFOM coming from me. And I am not going to lie, it that out of my wolf range that I make such a negative kill towards my own reads.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
What combination of me/johnny/ywf as wolves dont just...
Kill zds and lynch you and/or jack?
I wouldn't say <both> of you zds but
Like
One of you?
Idk how much i want to read into a nightkill.
But
If youre going to
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I am actually shaken.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
And it really doesn't make sense.
Which really puts ZDS as scum.
i wanna wait for him to say something before i make a decision.
Why don't I just kill tom then? I could even use it as ammunition to prove you wrong.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Wolf team is YWF and ZDS then.
Game solved. lets go home.
If I am a wolf why wouldn't I kill Tom to flip it on you?
My issue with kill analysis is perfectly summed up by Rod who has accused every single other player since day start of being scum at this point.
Because you aren't johnny. That's a silly question
God damnit.
While you aren't wrong to an extent, it still can be telling.
Like, I probably don't lynch ZDS today based on that kill. That would be silly.
Rod, wolfy is in the eye of the beholder.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
More kill stuff later maybe. I thought about it a bit last night but Jack being the kill didnt even cross my mind...
@rod
Explain to me why you would vote flarg yesterday
@johnny
Current thoughts on ywf?
Not great.
I am thinking there is one town in the you, her, and ZDS pile.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I've become the elephant in the room, you guys need to address me so I can figure out what's going on. How does my survival affect your read on me, what do you think I should be doing, and what do you think should be done with me? Justify all three.
Last Night Rodemy was already pushing the if-ZDS-survives-he's-scum stance and Jack disagreed, and Jack wanted to go after tom but Rod disagreed. Now that Jack is dead a tom-Rod team seems very plausible, with me playing the part of the useful idiot who is supposed to defend Rod and/or attack Johnny, or who gets WIFOM-lynched.
Oh snap. Conflict. I have more to say about this. Tune in at 11. (Work time)
I also wasn’t pushing the zds is scum: I said it would greatly change my view of him.
So. Now. Is this misinformation or am I being paranoid?
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Come to think of it, the only player who really needs me dead is scum-Johnny. Anyone else may have reasons to keep me alive (such as: to unleash me at town-Johnny). He doesn't.
So in spite of all the time I've spent re-reading him and of all his scumtells, I am clearing him for now.
Secondly, this NK has resulted in completely flipping common reads. YesterDay it was obvious the lynch would be Rodemy with an offside chance of Johnny, now it's a free-for-all where no one is safe.
This is probably exactly what the scum wanted, and this is why this is going to be my last NK-analysis post. I need to re-read non-Johnny players and ignore the WIFOM.
@YWF: What's your most likely scum-pair and why?
@tom: Same question.
Lynched flarg our of frustration and impatience
The GJ way path to no lynching:
@ZDS: You were correct that I wolf called Vaimes, but didn't commit to the wagon (admittedly, mostly because of the Rod/Flarg stuff). Why didn't you put your foot down specifically harder? I really didn't feel you forcing your way, other than that fps with Rodemy's claim.
@tom: With Kpaca flipping town, what are your nonwolf combos currently sitting? If you ignore what Jack death means, and just that he is out of the lynch pool, what is your most likely team?
@YMV: It felt like apart from Rodemy, you didn't really have any other wolf reads fleshed out. Even your Rhand read felt tied into Rodemy, and Flarg/Kpaca was mostly for pressure, but you didn't seem interested in that, and reacted quite negatively when Rodemy hammered. Where were you before Jack died, and after Kpaca flipped?
@Rodemy: I got nothing for you. I'll add something if I can think of something.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I still think Rod is scum. When it comes down to it he has been at best erratic as hell from the moment he subbed in. OMGUSing the slightest breeze that came his way. Changing his vote this way and that every other moment. Not reading the game and asking questions/making mistakes that have already been explained to other players. Not reading flips that contain important info that a town player would be looking for…needing to be told by 3 or 4 separate people to do so. Hammering on people he thinks are town cause he’s “impatient.” Its selfish not towny play. He’s not interested in winning the game…he’s interested in being “Right” (see the kappa hammer)
He’s been one of the wagons since he subbed in yet conveniently never seems to get to the point of lynch because someone doesn’t show or starts up another wagon to pull people off him. He should be the easiest mislynch to ever mislynch if he’s town. If this is his town play he’s way too risky to keep in
When it comes to a NK there were two town flips that would throw the game into a tail spin cluster****. Jack and Rod. It’s telling it was Jack. Scum wouldn’t keep Town Rod alive when he doesn’t even vote to his own wincon because he’s “frustrated”…early game that flailing is good for scum cause they can stay out of arms reach with so many other players. endgame its a hazard…he’s too chaotic. Jack hems and haws with his vote. He’s safer. So the only reason to kill Jack is Rod flips Scum.
Rod/ZDS: Superficially and obvious go to. He’s been plopped firmly down on ZDS’ coattails from the word go. if ZDS seems towny then Rod seems towny! Scum ZDS shows up today to see Rod’s distancing and throwout some of his own. The two distancing methods are night and day. one calm and targeted. the other throwing literally everything at the wall to see what sticks.
@gj: The kpaca vote was for pressure…I also built a case as to why I was suspicious. One no one responded much to but it was there. I reacted negatively cause he said point blank he didn’t think he was scum and I was trying to get some answers to better build MY read and Rod’s response was basically “LULZ NOPE IM BORED” So yea. that’s ******* annoying.
not gonna lie this isn’t a great day for me. Kinda pulled in too many directions at once work wise.
Gonna try and see if there are cases around rod and tom/GJ and see which of the three hit me hardest.
@YWF
1) Why would scum ever kill town-Rod? When do scum ever NK such an easy mislynch as town-Rod?
2) Why would a Rod/me team ever NK Jack and give up on literally controlling the lynch?
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YWF's post made no sense, I'm moving to tom/YWF as most likely scumpair.
If there was 2 scum in Johnny ywf and Tom, it would be over. Kill zds. Two of the three convince the one to kill me. Easy win for scum.
so the scumteam is zds and one other. It has to be.
vote zds
If it was Tom/ ywf you’d STILL be dead though. In Tom Johnny and ywf you’d have me lynched toDay and it would be over.
Good morning
a well thought out vote.
Hi tom. I don’t think you are scum anymore.