@sloth why would that make you think youre right on me?
Weve both acknowledged that the charisma based play is just the way i am. Im acknowledging your interpretation and offering my own, charismatically.
Why should persuasion and dismissal be tools only wolves can use?
Dude, tom, if I have to keep answering things I've already said in the posts you're supposed to have read, I'm just going to start ignoring you.
Tom is confident and secure in his standing, as well as a deeply charismatic player whose lead, unconsciously or not, most of you follow - and he knows this and ofc he's able to take advantage of it.
-SNIP-
Tone, charisma, "feels solvey"? They mean ******* nothing.
To recap: Tone, confidence, unnecessary brazeness (calling KJ on #10) and conviction mean ******* nothing when it comes to tom. He can easily fake them.
To see if tom is town you look for results.
What results has Tom given?
Tom will talk to steamroll over any of these ideas and sway you to his thinking because that is what he does, town or scum: He is a charismatic player that can convince you of his way just on that merit alone. Except when he's town, that's not a problem.
Agreed to disagree on which of KJ's reads are best to take in.
As for rhand:
If i look back on my mafia influences, rhand (as both alignments) is one of the places i got the brazeness.
My favorite story is prisoner's dilemma, which had the mechanic of you could choose defect/cooperate and win if youre the only defector but multiple defections amd they all die...
Rhand was the only n0 defector
Its actions and words for him and i actually play much more like him in short phases and mashes for obvious reasons
Do not understand that last sentence lol.
Although, fair enough.
I would point out that I was describing on rhand's move as scum here was less brazen and more just simple stupidity.
Rhand, re: Zionite, I think he's been composing himself in a way that's townier than Rod has here. Zionite hasn't cracked under two Day phases of pressure. Plus frozen-ish gamestate on Day 1 before tom launched his KJ crusade made it seem like scum were good with him dying.
Still shocks me that the KJ case itself is not at all being considered a counterwagon, given the flip.
@sloth youre right, you only said not to townread me for playstyle.
Though i must insist that i shouldnt be read *in any direction* for it.
Sorry i didnt state that outright...
And i am a lighting designer for concerts/theater/ballet. All of my venues are (rightly) closed until, well, the pandemic is over
I mean i think youre definitely scumreading me for playstyle reasons if any part of my defense is triggering you. Doubt theres much if any difference from how id respond if i was scum. I believe your method is incorrect regardless of my alignment
For rhand, im assuming role-related or faking same.
Im also... not particularly inclined to let him come back and hammer but not like i have anything to say about it
Whereas I'm pretty sure I spent a lot of time trying to ensure my case was not based on playstyle, as that was the whole point - and I like to think I was mostly successful in that.
You may have a point in how I gauged your responses though, since those were more immediate and not as slowly thought out. However, I tried there regardless and my own responses to your responses (and then subsequent responses and so forth) probably show that, at minimum in some of them. I'll read them again and make corrections if needed, though I don't particularly see "I replied to this already why are you bringing it up again" as something to be corrected.
Regardless, pobody's nerfect and if I'm not, the case itself (the important bit) still stands on its own.
As for Rhand, I actually agree with you there. Not quite getting this hammer thing. Pretty unconvinced this is something that should just be continued to allow to happen. Perfectly happy to hammer any of the three wagons before him to see what happens.
Whereas I'm pretty sure I spent a lot of time trying to ensure my case was not based on playstyle, as that was the whole point - and I like to think I was mostly successful in that.
pretty much my main point in response is that you were wildly unsuccessful in that
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Almost impressively?
Like, you still think brazenly pushing an agenda, dismissing and shading people, using strength of personality in place of "sound" logic, and actively pocketing people are things only wolftom does
I also decided many pages ago that you were unconvincable and have just been using our conversations to expositionally talk to others.
There have been bits aimed at terr, last, zds, and zion.
No time for a detailed post, I'm in the process of moving.
It doesn't look like my request to let Rod off the hook for now is going to be heeded, and I admit I didn't think of Flarg getting framed, but nevertheless — plan or no plan — I'd still much rather we lynch Zionite/Vaimes/(Flarg).
Not only do I want Rod to survive for at least one more phase (or more), I'm also against him claiming (don't ask). Can we do that? Pretty please?
I scrolled past the first line of YWF's unvote post and misinterpreted it as a result.
Sloth's case on tom reminds me of all the times I got hounded as town for a combination of NAI stuff, being wrong, and "being able to pull it off as scum". It tended to happen after I had a good scum performance in a recently finished game, because that was when people were at their most... wait for it... paranoid.
Slothful if you want to I'll answer you in more details later. Remind me if I forget. I can already tell you I didn't address #1063 IIRC and I don't know what there was to address about it, did you get it confused with another post?
I would be totally ok with lynching Zio instead. I think we're hitting town now. But deadline is near and I don't see how we are going to manage to change this. Especially since there's way more support for the Rod wagon than for both Zio and tom.
If Rodemy has a claim that would prevent his lynch, he needs to claim now. This wagon is not going to just disappear.
This has been aimed at vaimes. Though i dont actually know if he remembers AYAW
You still dont care
Gj will eat it right up
Zion prolly hates it?
It makes sense. One of my slight tells is that I am paranoid of being town read too easily as town, and won't question it as wolf. I don't think that's an uncommon tell either.
I would be totally ok with lynching Zio instead. I think we're hitting town now. But deadline is near and I don't see how we are going to manage to change this. Especially since there's way more support for the Rod wagon than for both Zio and tom.
If Rodemy has a claim that would prevent his lynch, he needs to claim now. This wagon is not going to just disappear.
This post disgusts me. Vote Rhand. He thinks we are v/v wagons and is content to just go with the flow instead of fighting tooth and nail.
I am tinfoiling slightly on LW as a last thought. It's annoying, but I feel like he is very strongly read as town, at least in the few games I remember, and he hasn't read wolfy to me this game, but I can't really read him that strong as town.
I am willing to ride or die on tom.
Rhand is at best, bluffing. Based on KJ and other things.
Rhand, re: Zionite, I think he's been composing himself in a way that's townier than Rod has here. Zionite hasn't cracked under two Day phases of pressure. Plus frozen-ish gamestate on Day 1 before tom launched his KJ crusade made it seem like scum were good with him dying.
Still shocks me that the KJ case itself is not at all being considered a counterwagon, given the flip.
If Zionite flips town, does that mean your read would change on tom?
Don't know what the votes are at, but I'm going to be offline for all of tomorrow.
Fairly sure this isn't a hammer, so Rhand should be able to get his vote in.
Agreed to disagree on which of KJ's reads are best to take in.
Do not understand that last sentence lol.
Although, fair enough.
I would point out that I was describing on rhand's move as scum here was less brazen and more just simple stupidity.
What industry do you work for?
Also, who are your scumreads again? Name them and explain in which ways they are controlling the game.
For the record, you did not type it out.
@sloth youre right, you only said not to townread me for playstyle.
Though i must insist that i shouldnt be read *in any direction* for it.
Sorry i didnt state that outright...
And i am a lighting designer for concerts/theater/ballet. All of my venues are (rightly) closed until, well, the pandemic is over
VC?
Rod (6): Last, Tom, flarg, jack, zion, vaimes L-1
Zion (4): Tubba, Rod, ZDS, rhand
Tom (1): Sloth
Not Voting (2): YWF, gj
Rodemy (6): Lastwhisper, Tomsloger, FlargBlarg, Jackrito, Zionite, Vaimes (L-1)
Zionite (4): Tubba Fett, Rodemy, ZeDorkSlipeur, Rhand
Tomsloger (1): Slothful
Not Voting (2): YWFMLF, Gentleman Johnny
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is March 15th at 2000 MST.
and it is currently very much doing that~
Alright, Rod, legacy time. Claim too, while you're at it.
Sorry, brosef.
P.S. tom has the coolest job I've ever heard of.
I want to see what he has to say now, so to avoid any hammers before it.
These are my 3 main gigs if youre curious what my schedule <would have been>
Fremont
sunset center
vina robles
You are correct and I agree: I am not reading you in any direction based on playstyle.
Meant to ask, is this Rhand thing where he has to be in the lynch wagon something he always does?
For rhand, im assuming role-related or faking same.
Im also... not particularly inclined to let him come back and hammer but not like i have anything to say about it
He’s been openly softing it, I’d guess alt win con or triggering an ability. Or bluffing something like that.
You may have a point in how I gauged your responses though, since those were more immediate and not as slowly thought out. However, I tried there regardless and my own responses to your responses (and then subsequent responses and so forth) probably show that, at minimum in some of them. I'll read them again and make corrections if needed, though I don't particularly see "I replied to this already why are you bringing it up again" as something to be corrected.
Regardless, pobody's nerfect and if I'm not, the case itself (the important bit) still stands on its own.
As for Rhand, I actually agree with you there. Not quite getting this hammer thing. Pretty unconvinced this is something that should just be continued to allow to happen. Perfectly happy to hammer any of the three wagons before him to see what happens.
@tubba you bastard you robbed me of 2222.
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Almost impressively?
Like, you still think brazenly pushing an agenda, dismissing and shading people, using strength of personality in place of "sound" logic, and actively pocketing people are things only wolftom does
Some amount of my zion read is that i tried to pocket him and it didnt really work and a wolf probably would have let it happen
There have been bits aimed at terr, last, zds, and zion.
And yet, town i remain
Especially since, as you so astutely pointed out, those are the parts of mafia im really good at
I used to be good scum and garbage town.
<twirls moustaches evilly>
You still dont care
Gj will eat it right up
Zion prolly hates it?
And I don’t need to hammer, being on the lynch wagon is good enough.
vote Rodemy
L-1 again, please no hammer before he posts.
It doesn't look like my request to let Rod off the hook for now is going to be heeded, and I admit I didn't think of Flarg getting framed, but nevertheless — plan or no plan — I'd still much rather we lynch Zionite/Vaimes/(Flarg).
Not only do I want Rod to survive for at least one more phase (or more), I'm also against him claiming (don't ask). Can we do that? Pretty please?
I scrolled past the first line of YWF's unvote post and misinterpreted it as a result.
Sloth's case on tom reminds me of all the times I got hounded as town for a combination of NAI stuff, being wrong, and "being able to pull it off as scum". It tended to happen after I had a good scum performance in a recently finished game, because that was when people were at their most... wait for it... paranoid.
Slothful if you want to I'll answer you in more details later. Remind me if I forget. I can already tell you I didn't address #1063 IIRC and I don't know what there was to address about it, did you get it confused with another post?
If Rodemy has a claim that would prevent his lynch, he needs to claim now. This wagon is not going to just disappear.
Have a good one I guess
I just dont see a world in where that's Rodemy's claim if he's scum, given the earlier soft.
This is weird after what ZDS just said.
Let’s do this.
vote rodemy
I don't even know what to do.
It makes sense. One of my slight tells is that I am paranoid of being town read too easily as town, and won't question it as wolf. I don't think that's an uncommon tell either.
This post disgusts me. Vote Rhand. He thinks we are v/v wagons and is content to just go with the flow instead of fighting tooth and nail.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Page 38, 41, and then 45?
Rod (5): Last, Tom, zion, vaimes, ywf
Zion (5): Tubba, Rod, ZDS, flarg, rhand
Rhand (1): GJ
Tom (1): Sloth
Not Voting (1): jack
ZDS (2): Rhand, KCC
Flarg (2): Jack, ZDS
GJ (1): Vaimes
Rhand (1): Last
Not Voting (4): Flarg, Tubba, Zion, Sloth
REPLACEMENT
Rod (2): GJ, YWF
Flarg (2): Jack, vaimes
Rhand (2): Last, Tom
Zds (1): Rod
Vaimes (1): ZDS
Tom (1): Rhand
Not Voting (4): Flarg, Tubba, Zion, Sloth
Tom (4): Rhand, Sloth, zion, vaimes
Zion (3): Tubba, Rodemy, ZDS
Rhand (2): Tom, GJ
Rod (1): last
Not Voting (3): Flarg, Jack, YWF
Tom (4): Rhand, Sloth, Zion, Vaimes
Zion (4): Tubba, Rod, ZDS, GJ
Rod (4): Last, Tom, flarg, jack
Not Voting (1): YWF
Rod (5): Last, Tom, flarg, jack, zion
Tom (3): Rhand, Sloth, Vaimes
Zion (3): Tubba, Rod, ZDS
Not Voting (2): YWF, GJ
Rod (6): Last, Tom, Flarg, Zion, Vaimes, Rhand
Zion (3): Tubba, Rod, ZDS
Tom (1): Sloth
Not Voting (3): YWF, GJ, jack
CLAIM
That claim from Rodemy is hurting my balls. A lot.
His actions have been pretty bad. Zionite's have been not terrible, but he is questioned.
I guess my question is if Zionite dies and flips town, doesn't Rodemy just become a day 3 version of Zionite IF flarg is out of shots?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I am willing to ride or die on tom.
Rhand is at best, bluffing. Based on KJ and other things.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
If Zionite flips town, does that mean your read would change on tom?
The GJ way path to no lynching: