@sloth (and I guess last too): Can you share anything on Tubba from chat?
Posting patterns didn't differ between game/cell chat - i.e. he posted sparingly and the least out of the 3 of us, but he had good insight and suggested things I didn't agree with, but could see the train of thought on. He also pointed out to me things I hadn't noticed. All of it would have been hard to fake as scum.
And then there's this:
Also, Last and Tubba are nigh-conf!Town at this point. Both were aware of my PR last Night and if they were scum they would have certainly told their teammates. I don't see them letting scum waste a shot on me just to see if I was lying. This can be revisited later, but no interest on them should be had toDay.
Yes, it isn't absolute, but it certainly buys them leeway. If I run out of scumreads and nothing works, I'll revisit him, but right now, no interest.
Consider both of them among my strongest townreads right now, actually.
Well that is one of my scum reads I was going to push today gone, I had a long discussion last night with my cellmates and this feels right to me.
vote: FlargBlarg
KKC really disagrees with me on this though, also I feel better about ZDS after night discussion, I still think chance he is scum but not as much as I did yesterday.
Talk to me about ZDS: What made you feel better about him exactly?
Also, you (clearly) side with him over KC. What about KC's arguments didn't pan?
I felt better about him because of real time interactions, he came off as someone wanting to find scum. Most of my issues from yesterday were tone and him always behind behind but shading others. Actually seeing him put effort in and agreeing with me on Flarg and not just sheeping helped a lot.
I will explain the KCC thing in full she first entered after I had pretty much decided Flarg was scum and gave reasons. Her first stance was to reread him but said he was slight town, but she was certain Zion was scum and wanted yto review Grape because if KJ.
She then fully town read Flarge because he sounded pure in his read on KJ. Then said that she liked how Flarge put his foot down aganist Tom but was careful not to shade anyone on the wagon. I personally saw this as a scum move more.
Another example is Flarge relief when Wisp agreed. Also said with Frage Stance on KJ he put himself into a corner and could never be anti KJ but we all know he did.
She also likes probing questions to Zion and Vaimes which showed scum hunting. Her final point was that Flarge flip after KJ flip made perfect sense if not used to town RB. Also said no scum motive to throw away town cred to reverse their view. Me and ZDS disagreed because made more sense then a town doing it.
My counter agurment was that Flarge gave him room throughout by always calling KJ null which did not not fit his actions. Also having the top poster as null is BS espically when he called someone out on having null read on Wisp.
Next we got to our second argument based on Flarge giving up Zion push to try and lynch an inactive which makes no sense as town. You surely go for your top scum read not take a chance on a inactive
They was more but those are the main points only real other thing was KCC showing us how scummy Grape was
I considered making a push back to Zi too, but that's not what I ultimately decided. You making that push wouldn't have mattered, once I settled on my kj read, the Zion wagon was done.
You think there was no chance I could have convinced people KJ was town? Personally, I think I could have moved at least a few votes.
Of course, you also didn't know that's what I would have done, because, again, didn't get the opportunity.
What changed is I talked to him. And I thought he was being insincere and evasive. Between that and reflecting on everything else, I reached a point where I was going to feel worse if he was scum and I let him go than if he was town and mislynched.
I wouldn't have been thrilled if lw hammered after Rhands vote, but then KJ had a chance to get his final thoughts down, I decided I wasn't going to push back off KJ, and at that point it was just delaying the inevitable
Ok, this is actually getting obtuse now: You do not get to make that call.
Everything you're saying here is "well, it was down to me alone and I had to make a call." No, you didn't - it was a move done entirely for your own satisfaction and not pro-Town.
If Last was going to hammer, he would have already. In fact, he clearly stated he wasn't going to. So why were you worried?
@Slothful Are you sure you were shot last Night, or are you assuming they did because you are so used to being the N1 kill? This is relevant to figuring out who the scum might not want us to look at.
100% sure: Got Mod confirmation.
More on KC later.
Also, Last and Tubba are nigh-conf!Town at this point. Both were aware of my PR last Night and if they were scum they would have certainly told their teammates. I don't see them letting scum waste a shot on me just to see if I was lying. This can be revisited later, but no interest on them should be had toDay.
Happy Day 2, you loser.
Counterpoint: if one of them is scum, they shot you to clear themselves. That's 100% worth potentially losing a kill imo.
Not impossible, hence nigh-conf!town: It's like I said, if things make zero sense, then I revisit it.
Something off about sloth today. Happy to be alive when hes bulletproof could be something but its probably NAI.
But him and i spent so much time talking about my read day 1 and he started agreeing with some points and maybe felt like he had some understanding of what i was putting out there and yeah
But today its just "tom was wrong kill it"?
Which
I did expect but not from him?
>5 posts on the *****ty "gotcha" anout me TMIing that scum have daychat. So important to him that he checks shadow hosted games to find daychat before doing any semblance of solving, though not important enough to click on that scumchat and see they could each send up to 3 messages in it per day
>4 posts saying im wrong but offering no argument other than "nuh uh"
>"hey kcc townread me"
>"hey vaimes werent you townreading me"
>oh finally hes doing something its... confirming i sent the message? Come on my dude the straws dont like being grasped so hard
I agree with these: They're all movements that show potential scum motivation and they show reasons why I'm okay with a KJ lynch if it happens. However, none of them are Smoking Gun evidence, and can conceivably come from town (though yes, that bit about the asking your cellmates is busywork no matter what.)
You got 25 years here for something you didn’t do. Run fast enough.
Zionite (6): Sloth, Flarg, Jack, Kcc, YWFMLF, Rhand(L-2)
Killjoy (6): Tubba, Vaimes, Tom, GJ, Grape, Zion
Grape (1): kj
Not Voting (2): Zds, Last
With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is March 3rd at 1700 MST.
This gave me pause too.
FTR, I'm pretty sure I've played with KJ over on DLP before. Just a couple of games, and not really relevant here, but semantics.
@last seriously, how confident are you on KJ being town?
Only the first one was before the No Self-Pres Gate, and I specifically state that I don't think it's strong evidence.
The other two are post No Self-Pres Gate, which I've mentioned already shook my confidence in what I had assumed to be probably a town player:
I'm gonna level with you, I've actually been slotting you in my mind as "more town than scum" over the last couple of days (more on that later), I didn't voice it because I wanted to see how you acted without active security.
But what you're doing here makes no sense. As either alignment.
You just claimed Town RB. And you're saying you're okay being lynched so long as you don't have to vote on a claimed VT? Explain that, please.
Just for the record, even though it might bite me in the ass in a minute, Killjoy, ffs, I thought you were Town.
The only thing that threw me off and make me doubt wasn't Tom, it was that you wouldn't self-pres.
I was literally on my way back to make an argument about keeping you around cause I decided even though not self-presing made NO sense as Town, it made even LESS sense as scum.
Point being, Jesus Christ, man. Self-pres next time.
It's also not "just" "tom was wrong kill it"? But I can see how it may seem that way based on me not posting cases yet. I will do that soon promise.
Though your preemptive shade is noted.
Well that is one of my scum reads I was going to push today gone, I had a long discussion last night with my cellmates and this feels right to me.
vote: FlargBlarg
KKC really disagrees with me on this though, also I feel better about ZDS after night discussion, I still think chance he is scum but not as much as I did yesterday.
Talk to me about ZDS: What made you feel better about him exactly?
Also, you (clearly) side with him over KC. What about KC's arguments didn't pan?
I felt better about him because of real time interactions, he came off as someone wanting to find scum. Most of my issues from yesterday were tone and him always behind behind but shading others. Actually seeing him put effort in and agreeing with me on Flarg and not just sheeping helped a lot.
I will explain the KCC thing in full she first entered after I had pretty much decided Flarg was scum and gave reasons. Her first stance was to reread him but said he was slight town, but she was certain Zion was scum and wanted yto review Grape because if KJ.
She then fully town read Flarge because he sounded pure in his read on KJ. Then said that she liked how Flarge put his foot down aganist Tom but was careful not to shade anyone on the wagon. I personally saw this as a scum move more.
Another example is Flarge relief when Wisp agreed. Also said with Frage Stance on KJ he put himself into a corner and could never be anti KJ but we all know he did.
She also likes probing questions to Zion and Vaimes which showed scum hunting. Her final point was that Flarge flip after KJ flip made perfect sense if not used to town RB. Also said no scum motive to throw away town cred to reverse their view. Me and ZDS disagreed because made more sense then a town doing it.
My counter agurment was that Flarge gave him room throughout by always calling KJ null which did not not fit his actions. Also having the top poster as null is BS espically when he called someone out on having null read on Wisp.
Next we got to our second argument based on Flarge giving up Zion push to try and lynch an inactive which makes no sense as town. You surely go for your top scum read not take a chance on a inactive
They was more but those are the main points only real other thing was KCC showing us how scummy Grape was
Hm. Wasn't there more than one person calling KJ null?
Also, overall, what's your read on KC then?
There's not a lot of solving on my posts, I've been busy trying to make sure I take in all the developments before I had to leave.
Here's the deal: I probably won't be around much (maybe one or two posts per day), if at all, after this post, until Monday or Tuesday.
Expect some cases then, but I'm pretty sure my posts kinda show which ways I'm leaning. We'll talk more about it then and I can work on convincing you all to follow me like I couldn't on D1.
In the meantime, the pairings below are unlikely to be in the same scum team (note that they all have a reasonable margin for error):
Z/Flarg
Rhand/KC
Reasonably sure they're town: Ter, Last, Tubba, Vaimes. Definitely lynch outside of these.
Well that is one of my scum reads I was going to push today gone, I had a long discussion last night with my cellmates and this feels right to me.
vote: FlargBlarg
KKC really disagrees with me on this though, also I feel better about ZDS after night discussion, I still think chance he is scum but not as much as I did yesterday.
Talk to me about ZDS: What made you feel better about him exactly?
Also, you (clearly) side with him over KC. What about KC's arguments didn't pan?
I felt better about him because of real time interactions, he came off as someone wanting to find scum. Most of my issues from yesterday were tone and him always behind behind but shading others. Actually seeing him put effort in and agreeing with me on Flarg and not just sheeping helped a lot.
I will explain the KCC thing in full she first entered after I had pretty much decided Flarg was scum and gave reasons. Her first stance was to reread him but said he was slight town, but she was certain Zion was scum and wanted yto review Grape because if KJ.
She then fully town read Flarge because he sounded pure in his read on KJ. Then said that she liked how Flarge put his foot down aganist Tom but was careful not to shade anyone on the wagon. I personally saw this as a scum move more.
Another example is Flarge relief when Wisp agreed. Also said with Frage Stance on KJ he put himself into a corner and could never be anti KJ but we all know he did.
She also likes probing questions to Zion and Vaimes which showed scum hunting. Her final point was that Flarge flip after KJ flip made perfect sense if not used to town RB. Also said no scum motive to throw away town cred to reverse their view. Me and ZDS disagreed because made more sense then a town doing it.
My counter agurment was that Flarge gave him room throughout by always calling KJ null which did not not fit his actions. Also having the top poster as null is BS espically when he called someone out on having null read on Wisp.
Next we got to our second argument based on Flarge giving up Zion push to try and lynch an inactive which makes no sense as town. You surely go for your top scum read not take a chance on a inactive
They was more but those are the main points only real other thing was KCC showing us how scummy Grape was
Hm. Wasn't there more than one person calling KJ null?
Also, overall, what's your read on KC then?
Depends on the Flarge flip to a degree but I don't like how ZDS is getting attacked by her, but I'm not. It just seems like trying to take adv of someone in a bad spot. So I would lean scum.
I think zion is town and kcc might be a wolf, but kj flipping town pushes both those reads towards the middle *just a little bit*
Though i dont think thats a versus. In that their alignments arent really tied together in my head.
I don't disagree. They could be V/V. I added the ignore me part because I feel like my alignment changes your view on Zionite, but I think I mixed it up in my mind. Me being town doesn't really effect your read of Zio (I assume). Me being a wolf does.
I just meant vs as in, KCC is wolf reading him, Zionite doesn't seem to be a huge fan from a quick skim (not 100% sure if ZIonite is still reading KCC as a wolf).
I have a slight point of paranoia of Zionite per a note, but I need to hear a response from him. The other people in my wolf reads are in a weird spot. I need to look at Flarg a bit more, and I think I will turn on Rhand if nothing changes today.
as far as i remember, youre the only one tying yourself to zion...
Honestly KCC’s play seems sketchy as hell on a reread. She does…very little unless someone comes for her. This post right here sums it all up kinda perfectly.
I'm not exactly scumreading kj, I haven't seen enough to make a confident read one way or the other. But if we absolutely need a counter wagon, that's one of the places I'd like seeing pressure
I"m seeing things that could be from being scum, but nothing yet I couldn"t see reasonable town explanations for
This is pretty obviously where I am if you"re reading my posts. Maybe closer to: KJ might be a wolf, but I could still see him as town, and am far more confident on Zion
I"m waiting until I see something that gives me a stronger read one way or the other, I"m still going over his read list atm
Same place I was 2 days ago. Also not thrilled that he"s disappeared while KJ has gained attention
I mean she says it herself Zion is MIA with the KJ wagon…she’s at best mildly suspicious and hedging her bets with KJ but is doing nothing beyond voting him. Everything is I have no REAL feeling on KJ! I’m good on lynching him though.
Oh, is that the point of the game? Thank you so much, I"ve been wondering that for years.
Here, I"ll make this simpler: I think there"s more reasonable town explanations for kjs play than for zions so far. Hence my vote being where it is
I don"t need to actively solve kj, he"ll solve himself for me. And yes, I"m very happy with where the gamestate is, do I look like I"m trying to change it?
This wait and see act only works if she every comes up with a reason and she never really does. The only thing that happens is his role claim which she says IS NOT a reason....but she does anyway.
All of this is very scummy. It screams I want credit for hunting and a flip without saying anything incriminating or doing the work.
Yup.
Vote: KCC
Doesn’t want to scum hunt. Just seems to observe. Wants the credit for scum flips and to “own” a mislynch yet everyone’s that pushed her about a bad lynch is getting “Well no it wasn’t bad…it just was a mislynch!” and hyper defensiveness over it. It’s all very Anti town.
Her current “pressure” is to vote ZDS because of things she read in the cell chat we can’t see and can’t build any understanding off of….she has yet to read the in game wall. In fact she seems to be just ricocheting of Rhand and is waiting for his “mind meld” to tell her what to think about it
i dig this
I think my main thought on kcc yesterday was the way she interacted with the kj wagon made sense as a buddy because its that powerishwolf play so many people do where they dont bus but sort of let town lynch their buddies anyway because they cant commit...
But uh
Its just a crappy stance regardless.
Think im gonna roll with this case + my impression of her positioning within her cellblock
Well that is one of my scum reads I was going to push today gone, I had a long discussion last night with my cellmates and this feels right to me.
vote: FlargBlarg
KKC really disagrees with me on this though, also I feel better about ZDS after night discussion, I still think chance he is scum but not as much as I did yesterday.
Talk to me about ZDS: What made you feel better about him exactly?
Also, you (clearly) side with him over KC. What about KC's arguments didn't pan?
I felt better about him because of real time interactions, he came off as someone wanting to find scum. Most of my issues from yesterday were tone and him always behind behind but shading others. Actually seeing him put effort in and agreeing with me on Flarg and not just sheeping helped a lot.
I will explain the KCC thing in full she first entered after I had pretty much decided Flarg was scum and gave reasons. Her first stance was to reread him but said he was slight town, but she was certain Zion was scum and wanted yto review Grape because if KJ.
She then fully town read Flarge because he sounded pure in his read on KJ. Then said that she liked how Flarge put his foot down aganist Tom but was careful not to shade anyone on the wagon. I personally saw this as a scum move more.
Another example is Flarge relief when Wisp agreed. Also said with Frage Stance on KJ he put himself into a corner and could never be anti KJ but we all know he did.
She also likes probing questions to Zion and Vaimes which showed scum hunting. Her final point was that Flarge flip after KJ flip made perfect sense if not used to town RB. Also said no scum motive to throw away town cred to reverse their view. Me and ZDS disagreed because made more sense then a town doing it.
My counter agurment was that Flarge gave him room throughout by always calling KJ null which did not not fit his actions. Also having the top poster as null is BS espically when he called someone out on having null read on Wisp.
Next we got to our second argument based on Flarge giving up Zion push to try and lynch an inactive which makes no sense as town. You surely go for your top scum read not take a chance on a inactive
They was more but those are the main points only real other thing was KCC showing us how scummy Grape was
Hm. Wasn't there more than one person calling KJ null?
Also, overall, what's your read on KC then?
Rhand also calls KJ null noticed that just now when relooking at him. He also had KCC as his top town with you and YWF. His read list bothers me because it has 4 nulls wguch are Wisp, Vaimes, Tubba and Kj that is far too many in my view for that point on day 1.
I'm fine with a Rhand lynch today also he has a lot of the flaws Flarg does and his defense of Flarge bothers me also
@sloth not just talking about KJ points. Like, you repeated me on tubba and zds/flarg in the last 8 hours. You and i agree on a fair amount outside of kj/zion
But
Ok ill wait
Also fine with KCC for reasons said and also reasons given by others. KCC Rhand and Flarg all seem to scumread Zion as well based off day one all played the null game on Kj and now all defending each other. That is too many concidences for me tbh. It is rare to catch a whole team at once but the connections are unnerving
Something else that bothers me while rereading Rhand is that he came out at one point with the view Zion and Kj could both be scum, this bothers me because it is so similar to Flarg view that both are town which also happens within 30 posts of each other. one being 997 which is Flarg and Rhand being 1040
I am not that sold on Flarg being lock wolf yet, as you can tell from Sloth's quote of mine
but Rhand and KCC can die
but the world does make sense
like sure ZDS's case is probably as reachy as Toms, but its a case? none the less
there really isnt reason to wolf read him for it
like Proph said, Dont assume someone is malicious when it can be chopped down to either stupidity or playing bad
Does he actually believe theres such a thing as objectively wolfy and meta isnt real?
Would he actually consider what he did yesterday "leading a wagon on zionite"?
We ironically need some flarg meta pretty badly here gimme your opinions
no idea, I only played in the game he hosted, this is my first time playing with him
he could possibly believe it, but he is wrong
Idk what he means by objectively wolfy, and meta is most certainly real, but not super reliable in regards to a subset of players who are more experienced
maybe I could go see if I could find games he was in on Smash boards
I'm not saying defending yourself is scummy. Baseline fact, Town wins by finding Scum. Scum wins just by living. I'm saying that Pokechu's posts outing stances and forming a reads list indicates a gamesolving/scumhunting mentality (reads town), whereas your focus on defense indicates a survival mentality (reads scum). It's not a black and white issue where ALL defending or ALL fluff is scummy. If it was that simple the game would be easy. It's about how it stacks up relative to your other posts.
not sure if this is relevant but i think scumflarg would push <himself so far day 2>
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While I'm very aware you DGaF about meta, you should know that's how I play. Anyone who's played with me before should be able to confirm.
@Tom
figuring out alignments on that site is hard, I found a mash which I am not pulling regardless of his alignment, and one other game and I can't say for sure, but It looks like a wolf game again
Yesterday was TvT on the major wagons (at least I think, but if Zion is Scum, add another told-ya-so to my list) so I'm pretty sus of most of the players that just let it happpen.
Jesus Christ, Flarg, that's not how that works.
Talk to me about why you think Zion is now Town; I want to hear your (sober) process on this.
Lack of counterwagon, general thread stall, and lack of progression/lack of desire for a CFD in general leads me to think Scum were content with the thread in the way it was. Maybe they have giant balls but I feel strongly enough about it to reverse my read.
I like Sloth's process on me, I don't like ZDS's and weirdly I feel like he's using his push on me to remain silent on most of the game which he missed out D1 on. I am biased and OMGUS is real though, so take that with a grain of salt.
Does he actually believe theres such a thing as objectively wolfy and meta isnt real?
Would he actually consider what he did yesterday "leading a wagon on zionite"?
We ironically need some flarg meta pretty badly here gimme your opinions
spoiler alert Tom when I'm mafia I'll say what's convenient
"Flarg believes meta isn't real" is the best tabloid headline of the game. I don't believe it's not real, I believe it's not useful without other factors. To whomever asked earlier, I weigh it around tone reads, but a bit more. Good enough to perk your ears up or get a lean from null, generally pretty bad for a lynch.
Anyway, this is all irrelevant, I shot Grape. Cell can more-or-less confirm it, I never said "I'm gonna shoot Grape" but I got pretttttty close.
Can you guys move onto something useful now so I can get my motivation for playing back? I'm gonna go actually do the thing I promised and read back on some of the cases and see where I fall on that.
Just finished ISOing Rhand, Tubba, and Grape - it's nutty to me that anyone TRs Tubba. He's taken so few stances outside of KJ/Zion/Jack. I would actually be totally okay with a CFD here.
Rhand seems fine, his analysis of the wagons in his big post seems pretty accurate.
Grape is nullish but good enough for now. I hate his lack of push between Jack and sheeping tom onto KJ but the posts all read tonally genuine so it's kind of a wash.
Yesterday was TvT on the major wagons (at least I think, but if Zion is Scum, add another told-ya-so to my list) so I'm pretty sus of most of the players that just let it happpen.
Jesus Christ, Flarg, that's not how that works.
Talk to me about why you think Zion is now Town; I want to hear your (sober) process on this.
Lack of counterwagon, general thread stall, and lack of progression/lack of desire for a CFD in general leads me to think Scum were content with the thread in the way it was. Maybe they have giant balls but I feel strongly enough about it to reverse my read.
I like Sloth's process on me, I don't like ZDS's and weirdly I feel like he's using his push on me to remain silent on most of the game which he missed out D1 on. I am biased and OMGUS is real though, so take that with a grain of salt.
Does he actually believe theres such a thing as objectively wolfy and meta isnt real?
Would he actually consider what he did yesterday "leading a wagon on zionite"?
We ironically need some flarg meta pretty badly here gimme your opinions
spoiler alert Tom when I'm mafia I'll say what's convenient
"Flarg believes meta isn't real" is the best tabloid headline of the game. I don't believe it's not real, I believe it's not useful without other factors. To whomever asked earlier, I weigh it around tone reads, but a bit more. Good enough to perk your ears up or get a lean from null, generally pretty bad for a lynch.
Anyway, this is all irrelevant, I shot Grape. Cell can more-or-less confirm it, I never said "I'm gonna shoot Grape" but I got pretttttty close.
Can you guys move onto something useful now so I can get my motivation for playing back? I'm gonna go actually do the thing I promised and read back on some of the cases and see where I fall on that.
if this is true I wish you shot Zion instead since you clearly scum read him more based off yesterday, That is the play as vig that way we get the most info and know people stances for sure, now we are stuck with people stuck on Zion again today which could be true or could be another mislynch. This being true will also confirm Sloth for sure.
Anyway moving on ZDS stance is mostly mine so saying he is using it as a excuse is a bit harsh, I understand his focus since it was the main thing we talked about and makes sense that is his main view. That being said I have no real idea his views on others since he said most are null which bothered me but I think he was still behind in the game, he also said finding scum intent is hard since he came back from retirement . His last post in our chat was he wanted to prod others today which I have not seen much of.
@Flarg
well my opinion is of one, where I don't believe mafia shot Grape
or maybe they did and this was all planned out
anyways, why did you shoot Grape?
also your cell block has Rhand and Vaimes in it, so eew
next you are gunna say that because you are not dead, that they are town
its almost as bad as Sloth's argument for me and Tubba being town. so please dont
in regards to ZDS, I wanna see his response to this
also I think a lot of my read on him depends on consistency
I would like his thoughts on more people than you sooner than later
Lightly skimming during my weekend of endless work and uh.
I'll have to recheck our cell chat, but I don't recall anything sticking out as any sort of soft, unless you want to argue that scumreading Grape can itself serve as such.
@Flarg
well my opinion is of one, where I don't believe mafia shot Grape
or maybe they did and this was all planned out
anyways, why did you shoot Grape?
also your cell block has Rhand and Vaimes in it, so eew
next you are gunna say that because you are not dead, that they are town
its almost as bad as Sloth's argument for me and Tubba being town. so please dont
My cell had consensus he was Scum from my PoE pool basically, whereas we didn't agree on anyone else.
REally unimpressed with Rhand. Only post he looks like he is actively solving was that color broken post for Flarg against ZDS, and even that, I don't agree with that much. Also, the Zionite read disappeared out of nowhere.
Why vote ZDS over ZIonite?
Night chat again. Both my cellmates think Zio is town.
I went into the Night with a scumread on ZDS and then he comes in attacking one of my strongest townreads, so obvious choice there.
Flarg didn't claim in our chat, but we spent a lot of time comparing suspicions, and Grape came out on top, followed by GJ and ZDS.
So yeh, it does seem like he was using our chat to narrow down his target.
Not that I see how it matters with Sloth claiming to have been shot.
It bothers me like no tomorrow that tom is avoiding questions about KJ toDay.
@KCC: are you going to do that second part of the ZDS case?
@Sloth: I think I've answered all your questions before?
@LW: You do know I was already scumreading ZDS yesterDay, right? And KCC's scumread on him clearly built up overNight. The case on Flarg is not the reason why I think ZDS is scum. The reason I was breaking it apart was to show that it's a bad (and probably scum-motivated) case and a bad reason to run up Flarg.
I'm convinced ZDS is mafia, and I'm not going to start arguing with him because I have very bad experiences with that.
YesterDay he was complaining about the game state without doing anything to change it himself.
He spent a whole post explaining that he thinks Zio and KJ are both town, but he did nothing to get anyone else lynched.
He attacks Flarg toDay and the only other people he talks about are those that think Flarg is town, shading them while trying to get Flarg ran up.
Vaimes continues to screw around in the back, doing nothing and skimming off the top. (not still mad about that).
Why aren't you mad?
Re Sloth's #1586
- On statement (1): I don't know Flarg's meta (if it's relevant tell me), and I think him not pushing Vaimes after this lackluster response shows he didn't actually care. Yes, granted, that is in great part based on my own impressions and what I would have done (insofar as it's the correct play IMO, regardless of playstyle differences).
- On statement (2): Vaimes's plan only ends the game if the cell we pick contains 3 town or 2+ scum, and only the second scenario is a problem. Flarg getting lexically confused does not excuse him missing the scenarios where Vaimes's plan ends the game in a town victory or does not end the game.
I don't see how you (general "you") can say "TownVaimes doesn't just have to worry about a cell with two Scum in it if we endgame our cell, they have to worry that either Rhand or I are Scum." (#52) (emphasis mine) then need someone to point the very obvious (that this other scenario TownVaimes has to worry about does not actually put an end to the game). Then he goes "I didn't interpret it they way you meant it, which is just bringing us to LyLo if one of us is Scum." (#61) (emphasis mine again) as if it didn't occur to him naturally that 2townVS1scum is not game over.
- On statement (3): I'm leaning scum on Vaimes, pending reread. IIRC he's posted lots of garbage.
- On Flarg's Zionite vote and his response to your accusation of opportunism: if Flarg's only point was that Zionite's "[didn't] do anything other than kind of idly complain [the inactives are] not here", which was roughly the same arguments others had made IIRC, I would not have an issue with him. It's the part where "Surely [Zionite] can't townread every active player." that deeply bothers me, because there was no reason why Zionite couldn't townread all of the players who were active at the time.
I see nothing wrong with his response to you, the accusation of prior knowledge is weak (are relation tells not a thing in his mind?) but he is technically right about using his vote to move the game forward. I do want to point and laugh at him saying he's third on the wagon, then later rewriting history and saying he was second all along (which I think shows bad memory/a lack of focus, not scumness).
- On 343: Flarg's attack is weak, and I hope I don't need to point out the irony in his statement now that I've made a giant case to show his focus has been on self-preservation. Nevertheless, the post in a vacuum (or in the context of only the provided quotes) is perfectly fine and can be interpreted as run-off-the-mill tunneling. Moreover, it's one of the few times Flarg actually attacked Zionite after placing his vote, so he actually deserves credit for that attack.
Your and Zionite's quoted statements are fine as far as I can tell.
- On 518: I'm not expecting him to "congratulate" Jackrito, I'm expecting him to acknowledge and comment on the case itself, even if only with a little "Jackrito's case is good" (heck, I would also be fine with "Jackrito's case isn't that good").
Regarding the contents of the post itself, it's an instance of Flarg making a null, generic statement about mafia theory while not giving an actual, game-relevant opinion. Also, now that I'm reading it again, I will definitely hold this post against Vaimes if Flarg flips scum because holy hell does that tremendously look like distancing-without-bussing ("I'm not saying you're scum and I'm not going after you, I'm just saying you play like scum do").
- On 939: I didn't mention it in my case unless I'm both blind and amnesiac, so I don't know why you are mentioning it. It's a perfectly fine post, and like the quote within 343 it's one of the few times he actually attacked Zionite.
- On Flarg loudly arguing with tom's case: He was hiding in the spotlight, doing this weird little dance between attacking the case and not actually pushing back against the wagon ("I'm totally nullreading KJ guyz!"). Now he's trying to get credit for it (see #1465), who could have predicted this? /shockedpikachu
- On us seeing different things/seeing things differently: I don't know what it is you saw that I didn't, but if it has something to do with the spoilered quotes then you have a (fairly common) bias towards giving extra importance to interactions you were involved in.
Re Sloth's #1588
- On tom: I'm townreading him for his defense of Zionite and his lead of the KJ wagon. Even if he was wrong on KJ and even if he may be wrong on Zionite (who I still have a minor townread on for the same reasons I stated yesterDay), he acted without much regards for how it could make him look and dared to take controversial stances (especially regarding Zionite).
On other reads/Flarg's partners: My second best scumread is on Vaimes and it is extremely likely I will re-read him next. I also want to re-read Rhand and KCC to get a better sense of their motivations for chainsaw defending Flarg (in KCC's case I see her as confirmation biased town after our discussions last Night, with the caveat that Flarg himself making a very similar argument bothers me a lot) (also I agree with you they are unlikely to be scummates).
On my guidance: Hey, I suspected Flarg before the CFD thing and before the KJ wagon, it's right there in my first real post. Granted I wasn't in any rush to attack him and I was kind of cryptic (by the way Flarg, Vaimes and Zionite were my scumreads at the time, if that wasn't clear), but you can't say I'm late to the anti-Flarg party ;-).
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First mindmeld we've had all game. Hey! /offers high five
/begrudgingly accepts game-unrelated high five
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Reasonably sure they're town: Ter, Last, Tubba, Vaimes. Definitely lynch outside of these.
Can you walk me through your Vaimes town read?
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Also fine with KCC for reasons said and also reasons given by others. KCC Rhand and Flarg all seem to scumread Zion as well based off day one all played the null game on Kj and now all defending each other. That is too many concidences for me tbh. It is rare to catch a whole team at once but the connections are unnerving
Too unnerving in fact, maybe I'm letting myself get wifom'd but it's insane how much these three have tied themselves together (well mostly Rhand and KCC tying themselves to Flarge) and I cannot see the point if they are all scum.
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Flarge
I'm calling him that from now on :-p
YWF made a good case. I don't care for KCC hurting some butts by dropping the hammer when she did, but the inconsistant stance on KJ is bad.
Flarge's tone was very different in the game Whispy linked to, maybe it's because of the local meta and lower playerbase but he seems a lot more easygoing than he is now. I got up to page 14, which I recommend reading since he made a lot of posts there. For context, it was super early game and there was already a wagon on him.
I'm under the impression he was having fun in that game, whereas I don't see him having as much fun in this game (even before I came in and unapologetically shat all over his party). It could be completely unrelated to the game and absolutely meaningless, or it could be indicative of his mindset as a player (which would be a strong point against my case).
We definitely need a recent town game for comparison. Two recent scum games and two recent town games would be the ideal.
///This post written after seeing Flarge's claim///
Vig claim + Weird target choice + Playing for self-preservation = Hello there Mr. Serial Killer.
Rhand gave his stance on the claim (how badly do you have to be in love with a player to not see the blatant SK tells?), I want to see @KCC's opinion on this next.
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I'm convinced ZDS is mafia, and I'm not going to start arguing with him because I have very bad experiences with that.
YesterDay he was complaining about the game state without doing anything to change it himself.
He spent a whole post explaining that he thinks Zio and KJ are both town, but he did nothing to get anyone else lynched.
He attacks Flarg toDay and the only other people he talks about are those that think Flarg is town, shading them while trying to get Flarg ran up.
@ZDS: Talk about GJ please?
My Day 1 play was uncharacteristic and I intentionally stayed in the background. The alternative would have been voting based on the first five or so pages of the thread and letting my vote rot away or (worse) be a distraction, while I'm too busy or too in a different time zone to actually matter.
Starting toDay I have switched my priorities: instead of putting my efforts into catching up and only posting to say which page I had reached and to impotently complain about the game not going how I wish it did, I'm being an active presence and actually attempting to matter (and actually having fun, too). I will resume catching up/re-reading either when I need to or during the Night.
I have absolutely no shame about trying to get Flarge lynched.
I vaguely remember not being too fond of Johnny's vote on Killjoy and I'm also not fond of his posts from 1575 to 1590 where it looks like he's gauging if it's worth going after you or Flarge. I'll need to re-read him eventually, probably after I do Vaimes, KCC and you.
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His last post in our chat was he wanted to prod others today which I have not seen much of.
Sorry I betrayed your expectations, my posts are gigantic enough at the moment.
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I want to see more votes on the SK. If you disagree and you don't have a strong townread on him, provide reasons.
Actually scratch the last line above, I have a better idea.
@FlargeBlarge Would you be willing to kill yourself toNight?
My plan is:
- 1) ToDay we lynch someone who actually has a chance of being mafia;
- 2) ToNight Flarge vigs himself if he's town, thus not becoming a mislynch later down the road;
- 3) Day 3 we lynch Flarge if he didn't kill himself, because he has no more excuses at this point.
Part 3 can be delayed if we or he hit mafia, but I don't like playing with fire.
If Flarge isn't okay with this plan we just lynch him now.
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(No joke, I am still giddy and have no regrets of expressing it.)
This is about what we talked about in Cell chat right? Or something else?
I guess you could say that it's fun to stay at the
And then there's this: Yes, it isn't absolute, but it certainly buys them leeway. If I run out of scumreads and nothing works, I'll revisit him, but right now, no interest.
Consider both of them among my strongest townreads right now, actually.
I felt better about him because of real time interactions, he came off as someone wanting to find scum. Most of my issues from yesterday were tone and him always behind behind but shading others. Actually seeing him put effort in and agreeing with me on Flarg and not just sheeping helped a lot.
I will explain the KCC thing in full she first entered after I had pretty much decided Flarg was scum and gave reasons. Her first stance was to reread him but said he was slight town, but she was certain Zion was scum and wanted yto review Grape because if KJ.
She then fully town read Flarge because he sounded pure in his read on KJ. Then said that she liked how Flarge put his foot down aganist Tom but was careful not to shade anyone on the wagon. I personally saw this as a scum move more.
Another example is Flarge relief when Wisp agreed. Also said with Frage Stance on KJ he put himself into a corner and could never be anti KJ but we all know he did.
She also likes probing questions to Zion and Vaimes which showed scum hunting. Her final point was that Flarge flip after KJ flip made perfect sense if not used to town RB. Also said no scum motive to throw away town cred to reverse their view. Me and ZDS disagreed because made more sense then a town doing it.
My counter agurment was that Flarge gave him room throughout by always calling KJ null which did not not fit his actions. Also having the top poster as null is BS espically when he called someone out on having null read on Wisp.
Next we got to our second argument based on Flarge giving up Zion push to try and lynch an inactive which makes no sense as town. You surely go for your top scum read not take a chance on a inactive
They was more but those are the main points only real other thing was KCC showing us how scummy Grape was
Also sorry about last post being messy
Of course, you also didn't know that's what I would have done, because, again, didn't get the opportunity. Ok, this is actually getting obtuse now: You do not get to make that call.
Everything you're saying here is "well, it was down to me alone and I had to make a call." No, you didn't - it was a move done entirely for your own satisfaction and not pro-Town.
If Last was going to hammer, he would have already. In fact, he clearly stated he wasn't going to. So why were you worried?
More on KC later.
Ugh. A truly diseased mind.
Happy D2, D2-Vaimes!
The other two are post No Self-Pres Gate, which I've mentioned already shook my confidence in what I had assumed to be probably a town player:
Though your preemptive shade is noted.
Also, overall, what's your read on KC then?
There's not a lot of solving on my posts, I've been busy trying to make sure I take in all the developments before I had to leave.
Here's the deal: I probably won't be around much (maybe one or two posts per day), if at all, after this post, until Monday or Tuesday.
Expect some cases then, but I'm pretty sure my posts kinda show which ways I'm leaning. We'll talk more about it then and I can work on convincing you all to follow me like I couldn't on D1.
In the meantime, the pairings below are unlikely to be in the same scum team (note that they all have a reasonable margin for error):
Z/Flarg
Rhand/KC
Reasonably sure they're town: Ter, Last, Tubba, Vaimes. Definitely lynch outside of these.
I'm off!
Depends on the Flarge flip to a degree but I don't like how ZDS is getting attacked by her, but I'm not. It just seems like trying to take adv of someone in a bad spot. So I would lean scum.
Why havent you turned on rhand already?
I think my main thought on kcc yesterday was the way she interacted with the kj wagon made sense as a buddy because its that powerishwolf play so many people do where they dont bus but sort of let town lynch their buddies anyway because they cant commit...
But uh
Its just a crappy stance regardless.
Think im gonna roll with this case + my impression of her positioning within her cellblock
[B]vote kcc[/b]
rip KCC
Rhand also calls KJ null noticed that just now when relooking at him. He also had KCC as his top town with you and YWF. His read list bothers me because it has 4 nulls wguch are Wisp, Vaimes, Tubba and Kj that is far too many in my view for that point on day 1.
I'm fine with a Rhand lynch today also he has a lot of the flaws Flarg does and his defense of Flarge bothers me also
vote kcc
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@sloth not just talking about KJ points. Like, you repeated me on tubba and zds/flarg in the last 8 hours. You and i agree on a fair amount outside of kj/zion
But
Ok ill wait
Grapefuit21A. Tomsloger
A. YWFMLF
B. Gentleman Johnny
B.
KilljoyB. Zionite
C. Lastwhisper
C. Slothful
C. Tubba Fett
D. Jackrito
D. KittyCupCake
D. ZeDorkSlipeur
E. FlargBlarg
E. Rhand
E. Vaimes
but Rhand and KCC can die
but the world does make sense
like sure ZDS's case is probably as reachy as Toms, but its a case? none the less
there really isnt reason to wolf read him for it
like Proph said, Dont assume someone is malicious when it can be chopped down to either stupidity or playing bad
TLDR: KCC's and Rhand's vote suck
Does he actually believe theres such a thing as objectively wolfy and meta isnt real?
Would he actually consider what he did yesterday "leading a wagon on zionite"?
We ironically need some flarg meta pretty badly here gimme your opinions
he could possibly believe it, but he is wrong
Idk what he means by objectively wolfy, and meta is most certainly real, but not super reliable in regards to a subset of players who are more experienced
maybe I could go see if I could find games he was in on Smash boards
My Mafia Academia
Here is a wolf game, ill see if I can find a town game
Dooplisity is his name, apparently he almost end-gamed here
Hoo boy
this is a post that exists
Gimme dat towngame
figuring out alignments on that site is hard, I found a mash which I am not pulling regardless of his alignment, and one other game and I can't say for sure, but It looks like a wolf game again
TLDR: I tried
Lack of counterwagon, general thread stall, and lack of progression/lack of desire for a CFD in general leads me to think Scum were content with the thread in the way it was. Maybe they have giant balls but I feel strongly enough about it to reverse my read.
I like Sloth's process on me, I don't like ZDS's and weirdly I feel like he's using his push on me to remain silent on most of the game which he missed out D1 on. I am biased and OMGUS is real though, so take that with a grain of salt.
spoiler alert Tom when I'm mafia I'll say what's convenient
"Flarg believes meta isn't real" is the best tabloid headline of the game. I don't believe it's not real, I believe it's not useful without other factors. To whomever asked earlier, I weigh it around tone reads, but a bit more. Good enough to perk your ears up or get a lean from null, generally pretty bad for a lynch.
Anyway, this is all irrelevant, I shot Grape. Cell can more-or-less confirm it, I never said "I'm gonna shoot Grape" but I got pretttttty close.
Can you guys move onto something useful now so I can get my motivation for playing back? I'm gonna go actually do the thing I promised and read back on some of the cases and see where I fall on that.
Thats a pretty meh vigshot even if you hadn't said:
What up
if this is true I wish you shot Zion instead since you clearly scum read him more based off yesterday, That is the play as vig that way we get the most info and know people stances for sure, now we are stuck with people stuck on Zion again today which could be true or could be another mislynch. This being true will also confirm Sloth for sure.
Anyway moving on ZDS stance is mostly mine so saying he is using it as a excuse is a bit harsh, I understand his focus since it was the main thing we talked about and makes sense that is his main view. That being said I have no real idea his views on others since he said most are null which bothered me but I think he was still behind in the game, he also said finding scum intent is hard since he came back from retirement . His last post in our chat was he wanted to prod others today which I have not seen much of.
well my opinion is of one, where I don't believe mafia shot Grape
or maybe they did and this was all planned out
anyways, why did you shoot Grape?
also your cell block has Rhand and Vaimes in it, so eew
next you are gunna say that because you are not dead, that they are town
its almost as bad as Sloth's argument for me and Tubba being town. so please dont
possible, my brains says we should see if this self-resolves for now
also I think a lot of my read on him depends on consistency
I would like his thoughts on more people than you sooner than later
I'll have to recheck our cell chat, but I don't recall anything sticking out as any sort of soft, unless you want to argue that scumreading Grape can itself serve as such.
Night all.
My cell had consensus he was Scum from my PoE pool basically, whereas we didn't agree on anyone else.
also good night
Night chat again. Both my cellmates think Zio is town.
I went into the Night with a scumread on ZDS and then he comes in attacking one of my strongest townreads, so obvious choice there.
So yeh, it does seem like he was using our chat to narrow down his target.
Not that I see how it matters with Sloth claiming to have been shot.
It bothers me like no tomorrow that tom is avoiding questions about KJ toDay.
@KCC: are you going to do that second part of the ZDS case?
@Sloth: I think I've answered all your questions before?
@LW: You do know I was already scumreading ZDS yesterDay, right? And KCC's scumread on him clearly built up overNight. The case on Flarg is not the reason why I think ZDS is scum. The reason I was breaking it apart was to show that it's a bad (and probably scum-motivated) case and a bad reason to run up Flarg.
YesterDay he was complaining about the game state without doing anything to change it himself.
He spent a whole post explaining that he thinks Zio and KJ are both town, but he did nothing to get anyone else lynched.
He attacks Flarg toDay and the only other people he talks about are those that think Flarg is town, shading them while trying to get Flarg ran up.
@ZDS: Talk about GJ please?
///This post written before seeing Flarge's claim///
Re Rhand's #1573 Are you seriously basing your Flarg read on timestamps? What about your townread on him Day 1, did that play a part?
Re Johnny's #1577 Why aren't you mad?
Re Sloth's #1586
- On statement (1): I don't know Flarg's meta (if it's relevant tell me), and I think him not pushing Vaimes after this lackluster response shows he didn't actually care. Yes, granted, that is in great part based on my own impressions and what I would have done (insofar as it's the correct play IMO, regardless of playstyle differences).
- On statement (2): Vaimes's plan only ends the game if the cell we pick contains 3 town or 2+ scum, and only the second scenario is a problem. Flarg getting lexically confused does not excuse him missing the scenarios where Vaimes's plan ends the game in a town victory or does not end the game.
I don't see how you (general "you") can say "TownVaimes doesn't just have to worry about a cell with two Scum in it if we endgame our cell, they have to worry that either Rhand or I are Scum." (#52) (emphasis mine) then need someone to point the very obvious (that this other scenario TownVaimes has to worry about does not actually put an end to the game). Then he goes "I didn't interpret it they way you meant it, which is just bringing us to LyLo if one of us is Scum." (#61) (emphasis mine again) as if it didn't occur to him naturally that 2townVS1scum is not game over.
- On statement (3): I'm leaning scum on Vaimes, pending reread. IIRC he's posted lots of garbage.
- On Flarg's Zionite vote and his response to your accusation of opportunism: if Flarg's only point was that Zionite's "[didn't] do anything other than kind of idly complain [the inactives are] not here", which was roughly the same arguments others had made IIRC, I would not have an issue with him. It's the part where "Surely [Zionite] can't townread every active player." that deeply bothers me, because there was no reason why Zionite couldn't townread all of the players who were active at the time.
I see nothing wrong with his response to you, the accusation of prior knowledge is weak (are relation tells not a thing in his mind?) but he is technically right about using his vote to move the game forward. I do want to point and laugh at him saying he's third on the wagon, then later rewriting history and saying he was second all along (which I think shows bad memory/a lack of focus, not scumness).
- On 343: Flarg's attack is weak, and I hope I don't need to point out the irony in his statement now that I've made a giant case to show his focus has been on self-preservation. Nevertheless, the post in a vacuum (or in the context of only the provided quotes) is perfectly fine and can be interpreted as run-off-the-mill tunneling. Moreover, it's one of the few times Flarg actually attacked Zionite after placing his vote, so he actually deserves credit for that attack.
Your and Zionite's quoted statements are fine as far as I can tell.
- On 518: I'm not expecting him to "congratulate" Jackrito, I'm expecting him to acknowledge and comment on the case itself, even if only with a little "Jackrito's case is good" (heck, I would also be fine with "Jackrito's case isn't that good").
Regarding the contents of the post itself, it's an instance of Flarg making a null, generic statement about mafia theory while not giving an actual, game-relevant opinion. Also, now that I'm reading it again, I will definitely hold this post against Vaimes if Flarg flips scum because holy hell does that tremendously look like distancing-without-bussing ("I'm not saying you're scum and I'm not going after you, I'm just saying you play like scum do").
- On 939: I didn't mention it in my case unless I'm both blind and amnesiac, so I don't know why you are mentioning it. It's a perfectly fine post, and like the quote within 343 it's one of the few times he actually attacked Zionite.
- On Flarg loudly arguing with tom's case: He was hiding in the spotlight, doing this weird little dance between attacking the case and not actually pushing back against the wagon ("I'm totally nullreading KJ guyz!"). Now he's trying to get credit for it (see #1465), who could have predicted this? /shockedpikachu
- On us seeing different things/seeing things differently: I don't know what it is you saw that I didn't, but if it has something to do with the spoilered quotes then you have a (fairly common) bias towards giving extra importance to interactions you were involved in.
Re Sloth's #1588
- On tom: I'm townreading him for his defense of Zionite and his lead of the KJ wagon. Even if he was wrong on KJ and even if he may be wrong on Zionite (who I still have a minor townread on for the same reasons I stated yesterDay), he acted without much regards for how it could make him look and dared to take controversial stances (especially regarding Zionite).
On other reads/Flarg's partners: My second best scumread is on Vaimes and it is extremely likely I will re-read him next. I also want to re-read Rhand and KCC to get a better sense of their motivations for chainsaw defending Flarg (in KCC's case I see her as confirmation biased town after our discussions last Night, with the caveat that Flarg himself making a very similar argument bothers me a lot) (also I agree with you they are unlikely to be scummates).
On my guidance: Hey, I suspected Flarg before the CFD thing and before the KJ wagon, it's right there in my first real post. Granted I wasn't in any rush to attack him and I was kind of cryptic (by the way Flarg, Vaimes and Zionite were my scumreads at the time, if that wasn't clear), but you can't say I'm late to the anti-Flarg party ;-).
/begrudgingly accepts game-unrelated high five
Can you walk me through your Vaimes town read?
Too unnerving in fact, maybe I'm letting myself get wifom'd but it's insane how much these three have tied themselves together (well mostly Rhand and KCC tying themselves to Flarge) and I cannot see the point if they are all scum.
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I'm calling him that from now on :-p
YWF made a good case. I don't care for KCC hurting some butts by dropping the hammer when she did, but the inconsistant stance on KJ is bad.
Flarge's tone was very different in the game Whispy linked to, maybe it's because of the local meta and lower playerbase but he seems a lot more easygoing than he is now. I got up to page 14, which I recommend reading since he made a lot of posts there. For context, it was super early game and there was already a wagon on him.
I'm under the impression he was having fun in that game, whereas I don't see him having as much fun in this game (even before I came in and unapologetically shat all over his party). It could be completely unrelated to the game and absolutely meaningless, or it could be indicative of his mindset as a player (which would be a strong point against my case).
We definitely need a recent town game for comparison. Two recent scum games and two recent town games would be the ideal.
///This post written after seeing Flarge's claim///
Vig claim + Weird target choice + Playing for self-preservation = Hello there Mr. Serial Killer.
Rhand gave his stance on the claim (how badly do you have to be in love with a player to not see the blatant SK tells?), I want to see @KCC's opinion on this next.
My Day 1 play was uncharacteristic and I intentionally stayed in the background. The alternative would have been voting based on the first five or so pages of the thread and letting my vote rot away or (worse) be a distraction, while I'm too busy or too in a different time zone to actually matter.
Starting toDay I have switched my priorities: instead of putting my efforts into catching up and only posting to say which page I had reached and to impotently complain about the game not going how I wish it did, I'm being an active presence and actually attempting to matter (and actually having fun, too). I will resume catching up/re-reading either when I need to or during the Night.
I have absolutely no shame about trying to get Flarge lynched.
I vaguely remember not being too fond of Johnny's vote on Killjoy and I'm also not fond of his posts from 1575 to 1590 where it looks like he's gauging if it's worth going after you or Flarge. I'll need to re-read him eventually, probably after I do Vaimes, KCC and you.
Sorry I betrayed your expectations, my posts are gigantic enough at the moment.
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I want to see more votes on the SK. If you disagree and you don't have a strong townread on him, provide reasons.
Actually scratch the last line above, I have a better idea.
@FlargeBlarge Would you be willing to kill yourself toNight?
My plan is:
- 1) ToDay we lynch someone who actually has a chance of being mafia;
- 2) ToNight Flarge vigs himself if he's town, thus not becoming a mislynch later down the road;
- 3) Day 3 we lynch Flarge if he didn't kill himself, because he has no more excuses at this point.
Part 3 can be delayed if we or he hit mafia, but I don't like playing with fire.
If Flarge isn't okay with this plan we just lynch him now.