KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Yeah, KCC might def be town.
As I'm going down, she's still saying I'm AtE herby saying I should be townreading her. She could just left me alone now, let me die.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Yeah, KCC might def be town.
As I'm going down, she's still saying I'm AtE herby saying I should be townreading her. She could just left me alone now, let me die.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
**** man did we really just lynch top posting town?
or is Killjoy slow rolling us
This feels fake.
w/e
I find it funny that I was one of your biggest defenders, and all that came out of it was, "Wisp is TMI'ing Killjoy as town if Killjoy flips town"
I am over it
Yeah, KCC might def be town.
As I'm going down, she's still saying I'm AtE herby saying I should be townreading her. She could just left me alone now, let me die.
**** man did we really just lynch top posting town?
or is Killjoy slow rolling us
This feels fake.
w/e
I find it funny that I was one of your biggest defenders, and all that came out of it was, "Wisp is TMI'ing Killjoy as town if Killjoy flips town"
I am over it
y'all can try to lynch me tomorrow if you dare
oh yeah that was a thing I wanted to check. Maybe I'll have time.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Yeah, KCC might def be town.
As I'm going down, she's still saying I'm AtE herby saying I should be townreading her. She could just left me alone now, let me die.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Just for the record, even though it might bite me in the ass in a minute, Killjoy, ffs, I thought you were Town.
The only thing that threw me off and make me doubt wasn't Tom, it was that you wouldn't self-pres.
I was literally on my way back to make an argument about keeping you around cause I decided even though not self-presing made NO sense as Town, it made even LESS sense as scum.
Point being, Jesus Christ, man. Self-pres next time.
Just for the record, even though it might bite me in the ass in a minute, Killjoy, ffs, I thought you were Town.
The only thing that threw me off and make me doubt wasn't Tom, it was that you wouldn't self-pres.
I was literally on my way back to make an argument about keeping you around cause I decided even though not self-presing made NO sense as Town, it made even LESS sense as scum.
Point being, Jesus Christ, man. Self-pres next time.
I'm sorry but I don't see the argument for it in this situation. We can talk in spec or post game
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KCC, how the hell did you go from "I'm not ready for last to speed lynch, but I'm comfortable moving my vote there" and "KJ claiming RB isn't a good reason to lunch him, except his approach to the day makes no sense as a power role" to hammering?
As the day draws to a close, you reveal the true intentions of one of your midst. Of course he had to die to be sure.
Killjoy has died! He was:
Player: Killjoy
Name: Jimmy Todd
Cell: B
Profession: Custodian
Most recent conviction(s): Murder, vehicular manslaughter
Alignment: Town
Role: Roleblocker - Each night you may target a player cause any action they take to fail.
Night 1 ends March 4th at 2200 MST, 48 hours from this post. Chats are now open.
You awake the next morning, shuffle out into the yard and find that someone does not join you.
Oh no! Grapefruit21 was found hanging by tied bedsheets! I bet he didn’t kill himself.
Grapefruit21 has died! He was:
Player: Grapefruit21
Name: James Bettison
Cell: A
Profession: Lawyer
Most recent conviction(s): 17 counts of obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, corruption
Alignment: Town
Role: Vanilla
It is now day 2, with 13 alive it is 7 to lynch. Deadline is March 14 at 2000 MST.
Well that is one of my scum reads I was going to push today gone, I had a long discussion last night with my cellmates and this feels right to me.
vote: FlargBlarg
KKC really disagrees with me on this though, also I feel better about ZDS after night discussion, I still think chance he is scum but not as much as I did yesterday.
@Jackrito
I will wait for Sloth to jump in, in regards to Flarg
TLDR: Scum lean, his iso isnt wolfy for the most part, but it isn't townie either, and he had some questionable reactions, which Sloth can get to
I think this team is highly unlikely
Tom/Flarg/Zion
Time to take off the gloves. FlargBlarg shows a pattern throughout the game of making opportunistic choices and avoiding direct confrontations. He is scum. Let me explain.
He almost kicked the game out of RVS by making the first serious vote, on Vaimes, for his terrible joke-plan. So far, there's nothing wrong.
Then Vaimes gives a serious answer to the accusations, followed by hurr durr I was pretending also you suck. This is not an ideal response; either the plan was thought through and Flarg's accusations call for a proper response, or the plan was randomly thrown in as a joke and there is no need to do anything besides point and laugh at the fool who took it seriously.
Granted the contradiction was minor (maybe Vaimes just likes to be thorough), but in my opinion Flarg should still have pushed harder on Vaimes for that response. He didn't, using lexical confusion about the meaning of "endgame" as an excuse to jump off right away. I don't know how much sense that confusion makes since the game ends when it ends, not when we arbitrarily pick three players and go home; if Flarg's case really was based on assuming Vaimes's plan would end the game then it was completely illogical (unless Flarg knew killing everyone except the cell with him and Vaimes would end the game and had a massive slip up, but that's crude speculation at this point). What matters here is that when faced with the prospect of battling it out with a player who is making it clear they will not pull any punch, FlargBlarg ran away. That's Exhibit #1 of FlargBlarg avoiding confrontation.
After that he does nothing relevant for a while, then comes back with a series of posts that end with him voting Zionite : #270, #275 and #280 (there are also unrelated posts inbetween that I don't think are relevant either way). In a vacuum and from a distance, these posts are fine: Flarg notices the game overall had a bad content ratio, notices two players in particular with a bad content ratio, and votes one of them.
However, there's a couple things I want to point out about that vote.
First, Zionite was already attracting attention. Rhand voted then attacked him in #110 and #112, tom defended him in #128 and #136, Grapefruit21 mentionned town-reading him in #162 Slothful voted him in #178, Jackrito weakly barned Slothful in #204, Lastwhisper weakly defended him in #209 (I hope I didn't miss anything). By the time FlargBlarg joined the wagon, Zionite was already a controversial figure.
Now, had Flarg merely barned or repeated the arguments already made by Rhand and Slothful, I would have seen nothing wrong with his voted. But here comes the second thing I want to point out: he didn't. Instead he made an extremely weak argument about Zionite not finding scum among the then-active players (at a time when there weren't that many of them, and it therefore wouldn't be weird to town-read or null-read them all; also keep that argument in mind, we will come back to it later). The addition of that weak argument shows self-consciousness about joining a wagon, ironically making it look even more like an opportunistic, rather than natural, vote. That's Exhibit #1 of FlargBlarg taking an opportunistic stance.
Then it's back to nothing relevant for some time, with Flarg passively reacting to whatever is happening in the thread. Early on this leads to him answering a couple questions/reactions to his vote but doing very little in terms of actually pushing against Zionite (see #333, #335, and #341 which is a very little pushy), but quickly enough people get distracted and lose interest in Zionite; and it's certainly not FlargBlarg who will dare to remind them he exists. In fact, even when given a very good opportunity to push, he ignores it; see #518 which followed, and completely ignored, Jackrito wall-vote in #501. Even when responding to Zionite's massive wall and the mild OMGUS within, he is still completely passive. This blatant lack of interest in getting the player he (as far as we can tell) most thinks is scum is Exhibit #2 of FlargBlarg avoiding confrontation.
Now, maybe FlargBlarg isn't the aggressive or pushy type, maybe he likes to let wagons happen organically. There are two issues with that.
First, he actively goes against his own vote by barning #606Lastwhisper, he starts wishing for a counter-wagon (#611, #620).
As I understand it, Whispy unvoted because he saw the lack of another wagon as a sign Zionite is town (I see it as a lack of effort from everyone on average, but I don't need to redo that rant). I'm not clear on the theory behind it but I'm okay with this idea. Flarg, as he eventually explains (see his response to Killjoy), is literally simultaneously maintaining his stance while getting ready to jump off. I would say that's opportunistic, but since he actively refused to participate to the KJ wagon that appeared at this time (see #685, #693, #743, #752, 761, #779, 780, #789, #792, #795, #938) it comes off more as extreme, unwarranted carefulness. From how many posts he made arguing against the case on KJ you'd think I'd be happy that he was being assertive for once, but I'm not because he really was only arguing on principle in these and actually refused to take a proper stance when confronted (#793, #1109). That's Exhibit #3 of FlargBlarg avoiding confrontation (and it's bad even if I assume he's not an aggressive player).
To clarify, I do not mind him not jumping on the weakly justified KJ wagon. Had he actually defended Killjoy, it would have been a point in his favour. Instead as I just said he took the non-confrontational stance of arguing against the case on principle while technically keeping his options open by never actually calling KJ town. That's Exhibit #2 of FlargBlarg taking an opportunistic stance. This will end up serving him well by allowing him to go after KJ post-claim without ever technically contradicting himself (#1206, #1209, #1233, #1260, #1329). He even points it out himself in #1346!
Second, this goddamn ******* lie: "If people want to shade me for not gamesolving enough, that's more or less fair, but I did lead one of the two big wagons so *shrug*". It's neither particulary opportunistic or non-confrontational, it's just a goddamn ******* lie, and an attempt to take credit where absolutely no credit is due, as I've just spent too many words proving.
Notes: Fixed by Shadow so I don’t have to look at that mess.
Eventually FlargBlarg started coming around to the idea of both Zionite and Killjoy being town (#995, #1103), something I would be perfectly fine with (I came to the same conclusion myself) if he didn't take for-*******-ever to actually unvote. As a results he starts pushing for a CFD lynch on a low poster (#995, #1011, #1107, #1154).
It's an idea he started arguing from a theory perspective back in #520, so if anything he was being consistent — and if he was planning all along to get into that situation, which he very well may have been, then I have to give my respects to the guy. Now from my own perspective, I don't follow his point and think CFDs on inactives are especially horrible on Day 1. These lynches provide extremely little information (we do get a flip, but by definition low posters are also low on interactions so it's really not all that helpful) and are likely to result in Day 2 mostly being a repeat of Day 1. But we are not here to argue mafia theory, and no matter how much we think apart I would have been forced to agree to disagree if FlargBlarg had actually pushed his own idea. He didn't. Just like when he wished for a counterwagon and made no effort to create one, you can see him push platonically for a CFD lynch without actually picking a target and therefore without taking any risk. That's Exhibit #4 of FlargBlarg avoiding confrontation.
Also, remember when Flarg voted Zionite for wanting to look for scum in the inactives, at a time when there were many more of them (and therefore better odds of them containing scum)? I remember.
All of that is why I think FlargBlarg is scum until given very good reasons to think otherwise. He's been careful to a point that far exceeds mere playstyle, repeatedly avoided taking any stance that could put him in the spotlight. The couple times he did take a controversial stance, he always argued his case from the general perspective of mafia theory, an easy way out since he could have made basically the same posts outside of a game and they technically imply nothing about him. When these are the only opinions a player is willing to push in front of adversity, you know something is extremely wrong.
So do your part: either vote FlargBlarg, or if you think he's town, present your arguments. Don't stand there not committing. Don't be a FlargBlarg.
or is Killjoy slow rolling us
Also thanks for not hammering.
its nothing, don't worry about it
Don’t disagree really since I was JUST pointing out we should make use of the hours we have....
I find it funny that I was one of your biggest defenders, and all that came out of it was, "Wisp is TMI'ing Killjoy as town if Killjoy flips town"
I am over it
y'all can try to lynch me tomorrow if you dare
Made it a little more awkward?
Weird week of mafia between the two of us regardless
Damn it Tom are you scum?
Killjoy (8): Tubba Fett, Vaimes, Tomsloger, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefuit2, Zionite, Rhand, KittyCupCake
Zionite (3): Slothful, Jackrito, YWFMLF
Grapefruit21 (1): Killjoy
Not Voting (3): ZeDorkSlipeur, Lastwhisper, FlargBlarg
That’s a lynch, stands for scene!
Right side of history and all that
The only thing that threw me off and make me doubt wasn't Tom, it was that you wouldn't self-pres.
I was literally on my way back to make an argument about keeping you around cause I decided even though not self-presing made NO sense as Town, it made even LESS sense as scum.
Point being, Jesus Christ, man. Self-pres next time.
We also look into Flarg.
And have some questions for KCC.
****, I tried guys.
KCC, how the hell did you go from "I'm not ready for last to speed lynch, but I'm comfortable moving my vote there" and "KJ claiming RB isn't a good reason to lunch him, except his approach to the day makes no sense as a power role" to hammering?
As the day draws to a close, you reveal the true intentions of one of your midst. Of course he had to die to be sure.
Killjoy has died! He was:
Name: Jimmy Todd
Cell: B
Profession: Custodian
Most recent conviction(s): Murder, vehicular manslaughter
Alignment: Town
Role: Roleblocker - Each night you may target a player cause any action they take to fail.
Night 1 ends March 4th at 2200 MST, 48 hours from this post. Chats are now open.
You awake the next morning, shuffle out into the yard and find that someone does not join you.
Oh no! Grapefruit21 was found hanging by tied bedsheets! I bet he didn’t kill himself.
Grapefruit21 has died! He was:
Name: James Bettison
Cell: A
Profession: Lawyer
Most recent conviction(s): 17 counts of obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, corruption
Alignment: Town
Role: Vanilla
It is now day 2, with 13 alive it is 7 to lynch. Deadline is March 14 at 2000 MST.
vote: FlargBlarg
KKC really disagrees with me on this though, also I feel better about ZDS after night discussion, I still think chance he is scum but not as much as I did yesterday.
Vote ZDS
My only real hottake from that disaster of a lunch is that Zionite is town and KJ is unreadable.
I'm just saying.
I will wait for Sloth to jump in, in regards to Flarg
TLDR: Scum lean, his iso isnt wolfy for the most part, but it isn't townie either, and he had some questionable reactions, which Sloth can get to
I think this team is highly unlikely
Tom/Flarg/Zion
Time to take off the gloves. FlargBlarg shows a pattern throughout the game of making opportunistic choices and avoiding direct confrontations. He is scum. Let me explain.
He almost kicked the game out of RVS by making the first serious vote, on Vaimes, for his terrible joke-plan. So far, there's nothing wrong.
Then Vaimes gives a serious answer to the accusations, followed by hurr durr I was pretending also you suck. This is not an ideal response; either the plan was thought through and Flarg's accusations call for a proper response, or the plan was randomly thrown in as a joke and there is no need to do anything besides point and laugh at the fool who took it seriously.
Granted the contradiction was minor (maybe Vaimes just likes to be thorough), but in my opinion Flarg should still have pushed harder on Vaimes for that response. He didn't, using lexical confusion about the meaning of "endgame" as an excuse to jump off right away. I don't know how much sense that confusion makes since the game ends when it ends, not when we arbitrarily pick three players and go home; if Flarg's case really was based on assuming Vaimes's plan would end the game then it was completely illogical (unless Flarg knew killing everyone except the cell with him and Vaimes would end the game and had a massive slip up, but that's crude speculation at this point). What matters here is that when faced with the prospect of battling it out with a player who is making it clear they will not pull any punch, FlargBlarg ran away. That's Exhibit #1 of FlargBlarg avoiding confrontation.
However, there's a couple things I want to point out about that vote.
First, Zionite was already attracting attention. Rhand voted then attacked him in #110 and #112, tom defended him in #128 and #136, Grapefruit21 mentionned town-reading him in #162 Slothful voted him in #178, Jackrito weakly barned Slothful in #204, Lastwhisper weakly defended him in #209 (I hope I didn't miss anything). By the time FlargBlarg joined the wagon, Zionite was already a controversial figure.
Now, had Flarg merely barned or repeated the arguments already made by Rhand and Slothful, I would have seen nothing wrong with his voted. But here comes the second thing I want to point out: he didn't. Instead he made an extremely weak argument about Zionite not finding scum among the then-active players (at a time when there weren't that many of them, and it therefore wouldn't be weird to town-read or null-read them all; also keep that argument in mind, we will come back to it later). The addition of that weak argument shows self-consciousness about joining a wagon, ironically making it look even more like an opportunistic, rather than natural, vote. That's Exhibit #1 of FlargBlarg taking an opportunistic stance.
Now, maybe FlargBlarg isn't the aggressive or pushy type, maybe he likes to let wagons happen organically. There are two issues with that.
First, he actively goes against his own vote by barning #606Lastwhisper, he starts wishing for a counter-wagon (#611, #620).
As I understand it, Whispy unvoted because he saw the lack of another wagon as a sign Zionite is town (I see it as a lack of effort from everyone on average, but I don't need to redo that rant). I'm not clear on the theory behind it but I'm okay with this idea. Flarg, as he eventually explains (see his response to Killjoy), is literally simultaneously maintaining his stance while getting ready to jump off. I would say that's opportunistic, but since he actively refused to participate to the KJ wagon that appeared at this time (see #685, #693, #743, #752, 761, #779, 780, #789, #792, #795, #938) it comes off more as extreme, unwarranted carefulness. From how many posts he made arguing against the case on KJ you'd think I'd be happy that he was being assertive for once, but I'm not because he really was only arguing on principle in these and actually refused to take a proper stance when confronted (#793, #1109). That's Exhibit #3 of FlargBlarg avoiding confrontation (and it's bad even if I assume he's not an aggressive player).
To clarify, I do not mind him not jumping on the weakly justified KJ wagon. Had he actually defended Killjoy, it would have been a point in his favour. Instead as I just said he took the non-confrontational stance of arguing against the case on principle while technically keeping his options open by never actually calling KJ town. That's Exhibit #2 of FlargBlarg taking an opportunistic stance. This will end up serving him well by allowing him to go after KJ post-claim without ever technically contradicting himself (#1206, #1209, #1233, #1260, #1329). He even points it out himself in #1346!
Second, this goddamn ******* lie: "If people want to shade me for not gamesolving enough, that's more or less fair, but I did lead one of the two big wagons so *shrug*". It's neither particulary opportunistic or non-confrontational, it's just a goddamn ******* lie, and an attempt to take credit where absolutely no credit is due, as I've just spent too many words proving.
Eventually FlargBlarg started coming around to the idea of both Zionite and Killjoy being town (#995, #1103), something I would be perfectly fine with (I came to the same conclusion myself) if he didn't take for-*******-ever to actually unvote. As a results he starts pushing for a CFD lynch on a low poster (#995, #1011, #1107, #1154).
It's an idea he started arguing from a theory perspective back in #520, so if anything he was being consistent — and if he was planning all along to get into that situation, which he very well may have been, then I have to give my respects to the guy. Now from my own perspective, I don't follow his point and think CFDs on inactives are especially horrible on Day 1. These lynches provide extremely little information (we do get a flip, but by definition low posters are also low on interactions so it's really not all that helpful) and are likely to result in Day 2 mostly being a repeat of Day 1. But we are not here to argue mafia theory, and no matter how much we think apart I would have been forced to agree to disagree if FlargBlarg had actually pushed his own idea. He didn't. Just like when he wished for a counterwagon and made no effort to create one, you can see him push platonically for a CFD lynch without actually picking a target and therefore without taking any risk. That's Exhibit #4 of FlargBlarg avoiding confrontation.
Also, remember when Flarg voted Zionite for wanting to look for scum in the inactives, at a time when there were many more of them (and therefore better odds of them containing scum)? I remember.
All of that is why I think FlargBlarg is scum until given very good reasons to think otherwise. He's been careful to a point that far exceeds mere playstyle, repeatedly avoided taking any stance that could put him in the spotlight. The couple times he did take a controversial stance, he always argued his case from the general perspective of mafia theory, an easy way out since he could have made basically the same posts outside of a game and they technically imply nothing about him. When these are the only opinions a player is willing to push in front of adversity, you know something is extremely wrong.
So do your part: either vote FlargBlarg, or if you think he's town, present your arguments. Don't stand there not committing. Don't be a FlargBlarg.
you sir, take the cake for the most broken post I have ever seen on this site