Not gonna lie. My day D6 sucked. My attentions were else where so I just said my piece and voted my view. I'll apologize for it when Town wins.
I maintain Rod's been pretty much manic since Jack was killed. Every single person got a slotted as scum in like a 2 hour period and even after he settled on ZDS he wasn't really case building so much as saying "it has to be YWF LULZ What's distancing!?" He was sure to throw in #3233 to try and make is seem like he was doing something other than flailing from suspect to suspect.
Then the "surprised" reaction to D7's NK but utter silence in the face of doing something about it.
Do your due diligence Tom. The right vote will be waiting for ya
I had work. The day ended so fast. It wasn’t that I was silent, in fact as I was reading, I was about to vote no lynch and then realized the day was over.
Anyway, that was such a late vote. Tom not hammering should have instantly made you vote me.
You waited. Not a town mindset. You were seeming to think about it. When there was no need except to sound towny.
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the Day was less than an hour long. I didn’t even expect the no lynch to happen. I commented and went back to work. Came back later that eve and the day was over.
Ugh this is frustrating.
Tom, the fact she didn’t vote me instantly was a sign. That is not a town mindset. She saw you didn’t hammer and continued to question. If she was town she would have figured it out already. She did not. She waited.
Tom it’s up to you.
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You could both probably assume i dont care that much about your interactions with each other and show me things from dead scum (or you, towards dead scum) that you think i should remember
Also interested in some things you each didnt do i guess
@ywf day 2 when zds and i started the vaimes wagon, you ignored it completely to push rod for not reading sloths flip.
Did you have any opinion on vaimes at the time?
@rod i feel like of everyone that pushed you, you pushed back least on vaimes. Why is that?
Also interested in some things you each didnt do i guess
@ywf day 2 when zds and i started the vaimes wagon, you ignored it completely to push rod for not reading sloths flip.
Did you have any opinion on vaimes at the time?
@rod i feel like of everyone that pushed you, you pushed back least on vaimes. Why is that?
Fair enough. Going through the game. Early on pings between Vaimes and KCC.
Vaimes starts with a KCC/RodSlot vote. Not sure it really counts as RVS when Vaimes is confscum. KCC/RodSlot doesn't react. There's nothing between them til 228#
That's it. That's all I can see that comes of this interaction. It's coaching flavored prodding to me not pressure. We're at the point the ***** posting fluff should be dying down and Vaimes just shrugs it off and continues on.
Vaimes eliminates several people for consideration for voting in 286 for no discernible reason. One of them is KCC. Uses this to vote me which LW goes along with. KCC/RodSlot at this point literally has no reads at all. Nothing to add to the game state. When Last presses....
@ywf day 2 when zds and i started the vaimes wagon, you ignored it completely to push rod for not reading sloths flip.
Did you have any opinion on vaimes at the time?
If I recall at this point I had back burnered Vaimes because frankly he hadn't done anything particularly reach up and smack me scummy. He just seemed present in a non offensive though not very helpful way that my attention wasn't being drawn to him As said before in the game, was gun shy with vaimes due to past interactions and decided to focus my attentions on someone I felt confident on.
KCC/RodSlot #434 doesnt come out as a direct defense of Vaimes but does strike me as a weird indirect defense by justifying Jack using Vaimes grape vased POE wall
I read your cases....they honestly weren't something I felt as confident about as I did with my votes hence I focused on what I felt confident about. Not sure you mean by hat was my first connection. Rephrase?
I ended up on flarg because of kpaca. I found his entire entrance into the game disingenuous as hell. It felt fake. It kept pushing this Rhand leading Newplayer!Flarg around by the nose mindset that wasn't true. I kept pointing out it wasn't true and asking him to address things going on in the game that were occurring not pre sub in but after it and he was just...not. I tried putting him at L1 to light a fire under his ass and Rodgic was "I'm bored/frutrated/impatient so NOPEHAMMER"
Vaimes did t post much of value nor a lot tbh. Idk he slipped under my radar. I did suspect vaimes slightly at points. But not until Zds made a great case on him did I attack.
still waiting for you to make the move to ywf. Again, his mindset clearly wasn’t town after you didn’t hammer.
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Unfortunately it made me look away from ZDS is what his flip did. It seemed like an awful lot of work being put in JUST to bus a teammate. I maintained my Rod focus and eventually Kpaca suspicious cause I didn't see Vaimes flips clearing them. If anything it made me see the back and forth between Vaimes and Kpaca over the flarg replacement seem even more fake.
I'm not really sure how to convince you I'm town Tom other than I'm here and I'm willing to talk out your suspicions with you. That's what town does. Help their teamates work through their suspicions and suspects to reach the right lynch. I've been wrong...many times in this game. So have you. You with killjoy and missing day end. Me for not seeing vaimes for what he was and the kpaca vote thinking Rod wasnt going to hammer. Point is part of being town is owning the **** ups and learning from it....not digging in our heels
You keep saying I'm not town cause I didn't vote when he didnt hammer. Because it's not just about the ******* vote Rod. Town is a TEAM. It's about helping one another reach the right conclusions not about spiking the football and coming back in to go LULZ WIN.
I don't even think this is AI. It's just different play styles. You seem to think standing next to someone like Dwight Schrute going "VOTE NOW. DO IT NOW. 3...2...1..NOW DO IT NOW" is somehow more towny than conversation.
nope. I am 100% scum in your eyes after Tom doesn’t hammer. There should be no discussion until a vote happens. You vote scum, and if you know 100% that someone is scum, you Vote then. You don’t wait. You don’t dilly dally. You vote
So that means you are scum. That and I kNow for a fact. Because hey, Tom didn’t hammer
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Vaimes did t post much of value nor a lot tbh. Idk he slipped under my radar. I did suspect vaimes slightly at points. But not until Zds made a great case on him did I attack.
still waiting for you to make the move to ywf. Again, his mindset clearly wasn’t town after you didn’t hammer.
can you show me what you consider your "attack"?
What about the case spoke to you?
I'm not really sure how to convince you I'm town Tom other than I'm here and I'm willing to talk out your suspicions with you. That's what town does. Help their teamates work through their suspicions and suspects to reach the right lynch. I've been wrong...many times in this game. So have you. You with killjoy and missing day end. Me for not seeing vaimes for what he was and the kpaca vote thinking Rod wasnt going to hammer. Point is part of being town is owning the **** ups and learning from it....not digging in our heels
sorry, is that not what im doing? Asking stuff and talking?
Why this ATE?
nope. I am 100% scum in your eyes after Tom doesn’t hammer. There should be no discussion until a vote happens. You vote scum, and if you know 100% that someone is scum, you Vote then. You don’t wait. You don’t dilly dally. You vote
So that means you are scum. That and I kNow for a fact. Because hey, Tom didn’t hammer
this is almost exactly the same logic that got you attacked for not reading flips
Didn't say thats not what you doing. I'm saying that beyond answering any questions you have at this point I'm not sure how else to convince you. It's less an appeal to emotion and more to reason with me trying to point out I'm here helping you solve it. Not throwing a tantrum
Unfortunately it made me look away from ZDS is what his flip did. It seemed like an awful lot of work being put in JUST to bus a teammate. I maintained my Rod focus and eventually Kpaca suspicious cause I didn't see Vaimes flips clearing them. If anything it made me see the back and forth between Vaimes and Kpaca over the flarg replacement seem even more fake.
i dont seem to be mentioned in this. Go ahead and include me as well
Where were you at day 6 before seeing the votes on zds?
How were you eliminating rod/gj (the non-zds team from our pov) to make that vote?
I know you said not really present etc but presumably you thought a little
@rod
Try to explain to me why you consistently insisted the entire scumteam would push you.
I went through a bunch of your games and thats never happened before. Scum dont seem to push you very often unless youre scum too.
You even said i always try to mislynch you when im a wolf which has literally never happened.
Convince me this wasnt a fake/strategic victim complex
Don't see a world were a scum GJ doesnt NK zds so that killed any contemplation of Rod/GJ
i thought a rod/gj team killing zds just ends up with rod/gj wagons. That team would have the most to gain from a wifomy chaos kill
Hell they were trying to lynch zds together. Its what i was thinking about
@rod
Try to explain to me why you consistently insisted the entire scumteam would push you.
I went through a bunch of your games and thats never happened before. Scum dont seem to push you very often unless youre scum too.
You even said i always try to mislynch you when im a wolf which has literally never happened.
Convince me this wasnt a fake/strategic victim complex
I have already said this: I pushed people pushing me because I knew kcc’s alignment. But it was a *****ty strategy in the end tbh. But it kept me alive I guess? Idk I am surprised I’m not dead already. But hey, mark this for my best town game? Idk.
man I said that because you pushed me in token and I thought every game as scum you do that: but I realize now you aren’t scum very often so. I was wrong.
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I get that kcc town = people being either wrong or scum. You did not consider the possibility of wrong at all.
Thats kind of my point. Yes it possibly helped to keep you alive. It also let you push things without thinking about them. You even pushed vaimes and ywf (now confirmed to you as the two scum that did push you) LESS than me and johnny by a pretty significant margin. Which is extra weird since that was the softest and hardest push on you, respectively.
So how did you make that choice?
I mean... sure once the votes made you confirmed scum from my fake pov lol.
And I still didnt vote you...
Explain what felt right about me + johnny. We both felt that was completely ridiculous and neither you or zds could give any reason but "you agreed sometimes"
You should see all the stuff zds said in chat. It was a lot of things that pushed me towards you two. I swear that was his entire case and he went post by post for you both.
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Don't see a world were a scum GJ doesnt NK zds so that killed any contemplation of Rod/GJ
i thought a rod/gj team killing zds just ends up with rod/gj wagons. That team would have the most to gain from a wifomy chaos kill
Hell they were trying to lynch zds together. Its what i was thinking about
Yea but the hard push on GJ was mainly stemming from ZDS. Without his driving it I don’t see jack picking Up the wagon and bringing it home. Rods certainly not gonna be able to and neither you nor I were
Spotting GJ as scum. Killing zds cuts the momentum really that would get a wagon on GJ firedup.
You should see all the stuff zds said in chat. It was a lot of things that pushed me towards you two. I swear that was his entire case and he went post by post for you both.
gimme some highlights
What were the points that fueled you?
He focused a lot on you and him following each other. Kj vote on 689 (let it be known he called you daddy Tom (“had to wait for daddy Tom, why?”)
1255: you switching your read on kj so much
And 1484
there are more if you want me to continue
thats a post where he followed me and a post where i voted johnny?
1255 is my d1 legacy post and what switching are you even talking about?
Still no examples of me following him only the other way. Even voting rhand with eod2 wad my read and push not johnnys.
So yeah i think youd better continue.
And again, looking for why. Thats just things he said not why they convinced you
Don't see a world were a scum GJ doesnt NK zds so that killed any contemplation of Rod/GJ
i thought a rod/gj team killing zds just ends up with rod/gj wagons. That team would have the most to gain from a wifomy chaos kill
Hell they were trying to lynch zds together. Its what i was thinking about
Yea but the hard push on GJ was mainly stemming from ZDS. Without his driving it I don’t see jack picking Up the wagon and bringing it home. Rods certainly not gonna be able to and neither you nor I were
Spotting GJ as scum. Killing zds cuts the momentum really that would get a wagon on GJ firedup.
so it was all kill stuff?
Did you think anyone but scumzds would kill <not zds>?
Do you think the blame for hammering flarg should be all rodemy and none for you putting him in hammer range?
Yes, i know im asking you both questions that would only have concrete answers if you thought about the game like i did.
Thats so I can ask without leading your answers too much, and you could potentially answer in a way that helps me understand the differences between us.
Even with you, mr top town read, as its clear leader.
Youre operating fully as a unit in lategame. Essentially a second scumteam except out in the open and potentially overlapping
Maybe id be more ok with it if i saw the cellchat. Maybe id see some thoughts from the two of them that arent either *****ty shallow omgus or <just zds thoughts>
ZDS responds to it with a laundry list of what JACK has done in their cell with a barest blip of Rod mention in 3120
Ah yes. Youre not operating as a unit because rodemy followed your vote twice then moved to me (shocking, the only person actively pushing him. Who could have seen that coming?) after being called out for voting someone he thinks is town (but not until you also said it was bad because you thought i was doing it and ignoring him doing same)
How silly of me to suggest
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Would be cool if jack had done more of that where i could see it, but even from your pov hes done absolutely nothing with/since the scumflip? Is that NOT worrisome?
Are those nights correct and he spent n3 talking about connections to an unflipped vaimes?
Has rodemy given any thoughts in cellchat that arent "pushing rodemy = scum"?
ZDS doesnt say anything until 3159 and doesn't address what ROD'S been saying. Now suddenly that there is no one in the cell alive to confirm or deny it Rods able to give details about what he did or didn't do in cell chat.
I maintain Rod's been pretty much manic since Jack was killed. Every single person got a slotted as scum in like a 2 hour period and even after he settled on ZDS he wasn't really case building so much as saying "it has to be YWF LULZ What's distancing!?" He was sure to throw in #3233 to try and make is seem like he was doing something other than flailing from suspect to suspect.
Then the "surprised" reaction to D7's NK but utter silence in the face of doing something about it.
Do your due diligence Tom. The right vote will be waiting for ya
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ooo fun shade throwing. I commented and when I came back I laughed because the day ended already.
Nice try scum.
Anyway, that was such a late vote. Tom not hammering should have instantly made you vote me.
You waited. Not a town mindset. You were seeming to think about it. When there was no need except to sound towny.
ah an attempt to not no lynch.
Also it only needed 3 votes.
The day ended In One hour real-time.
That is a classic attempt at spreading doubt and trying to mislynch me using whatever you can. Nice try but no.
Ugh this is frustrating.
Tom, the fact she didn’t vote me instantly was a sign. That is not a town mindset. She saw you didn’t hammer and continued to question. If she was town she would have figured it out already. She did not. She waited.
Tom it’s up to you.
@ywf day 2 when zds and i started the vaimes wagon, you ignored it completely to push rod for not reading sloths flip.
Did you have any opinion on vaimes at the time?
@rod i feel like of everyone that pushed you, you pushed back least on vaimes. Why is that?
Vaimes starts with a KCC/RodSlot vote. Not sure it really counts as RVS when Vaimes is confscum. KCC/RodSlot doesn't react. There's nothing between them til 228#
That's it. That's all I can see that comes of this interaction. It's coaching flavored prodding to me not pressure. We're at the point the ***** posting fluff should be dying down and Vaimes just shrugs it off and continues on.
Vaimes eliminates several people for consideration for voting in 286 for no discernible reason. One of them is KCC. Uses this to vote me which LW goes along with. KCC/RodSlot at this point literally has no reads at all. Nothing to add to the game state. When Last presses....
Appeasement to pressure and half assed sheeping in one.
I'll keep looking and posting as I got instead of massive text wall all at once
If I recall at this point I had back burnered Vaimes because frankly he hadn't done anything particularly reach up and smack me scummy. He just seemed present in a non offensive though not very helpful way that my attention wasn't being drawn to him As said before in the game, was gun shy with vaimes due to past interactions and decided to focus my attentions on someone I felt confident on.
Talk more about that mindset.
Did you read zds' and my cases and ignore them completely on the basis of vaimes not smacking you as scummy?
After vaimes flipped what was your first connection?
I ended up on flarg because of kpaca. I found his entire entrance into the game disingenuous as hell. It felt fake. It kept pushing this Rhand leading Newplayer!Flarg around by the nose mindset that wasn't true. I kept pointing out it wasn't true and asking him to address things going on in the game that were occurring not pre sub in but after it and he was just...not. I tried putting him at L1 to light a fire under his ass and Rodgic was "I'm bored/frutrated/impatient so NOPEHAMMER"
He flips wolf
Did that change your thinking in any way?
Im not seeing it
still waiting for you to make the move to ywf. Again, his mindset clearly wasn’t town after you didn’t hammer.
I'm not really sure how to convince you I'm town Tom other than I'm here and I'm willing to talk out your suspicions with you. That's what town does. Help their teamates work through their suspicions and suspects to reach the right lynch. I've been wrong...many times in this game. So have you. You with killjoy and missing day end. Me for not seeing vaimes for what he was and the kpaca vote thinking Rod wasnt going to hammer. Point is part of being town is owning the **** ups and learning from it....not digging in our heels
I don't even think this is AI. It's just different play styles. You seem to think standing next to someone like Dwight Schrute going "VOTE NOW. DO IT NOW. 3...2...1..NOW DO IT NOW" is somehow more towny than conversation.
So that means you are scum. That and I kNow for a fact. Because hey, Tom didn’t hammer
What about the case spoke to you?
Why this ATE?
Ftr
Drop it its not AI in either case
Still waiting on why you voted kpaca
Where were you at day 6 before seeing the votes on zds?
How were you eliminating rod/gj (the non-zds team from our pov) to make that vote?
I know you said not really present etc but presumably you thought a little
Try to explain to me why you consistently insisted the entire scumteam would push you.
I went through a bunch of your games and thats never happened before. Scum dont seem to push you very often unless youre scum too.
You even said i always try to mislynch you when im a wolf which has literally never happened.
Convince me this wasnt a fake/strategic victim complex
Hell they were trying to lynch zds together. Its what i was thinking about
I have already said this: I pushed people pushing me because I knew kcc’s alignment. But it was a *****ty strategy in the end tbh. But it kept me alive I guess? Idk I am surprised I’m not dead already. But hey, mark this for my best town game? Idk.
man I said that because you pushed me in token and I thought every game as scum you do that: but I realize now you aren’t scum very often so. I was wrong.
I get that kcc town = people being either wrong or scum. You did not consider the possibility of wrong at all.
Thats kind of my point. Yes it possibly helped to keep you alive. It also let you push things without thinking about them. You even pushed vaimes and ywf (now confirmed to you as the two scum that did push you) LESS than me and johnny by a pretty significant margin. Which is extra weird since that was the softest and hardest push on you, respectively.
So how did you make that choice?
Also i did not push you in token. At all.
and you did at the end of token, so much that you were like “aww man rodemy got me as a wolf again” or something like that
And I still didnt vote you...
Explain what felt right about me + johnny. We both felt that was completely ridiculous and neither you or zds could give any reason but "you agreed sometimes"
Yea but the hard push on GJ was mainly stemming from ZDS. Without his driving it I don’t see jack picking Up the wagon and bringing it home. Rods certainly not gonna be able to and neither you nor I were
Spotting GJ as scum. Killing zds cuts the momentum really that would get a wagon on GJ firedup.
What were the points that fueled you?
1255: you switching your read on kj so much
And 1484
there are more if you want me to continue
1255 is my d1 legacy post and what switching are you even talking about?
Still no examples of me following him only the other way. Even voting rhand with eod2 wad my read and push not johnnys.
So yeah i think youd better continue.
And again, looking for why. Thats just things he said not why they convinced you
Did you think anyone but scumzds would kill <not zds>?
Do you think the blame for hammering flarg should be all rodemy and none for you putting him in hammer range?
Thats so I can ask without leading your answers too much, and you could potentially answer in a way that helps me understand the differences between us.
ZDS responds to it with a laundry list of what JACK has done in their cell with a barest blip of Rod mention in 3120
ZDS doesnt say anything until 3159 and doesn't address what ROD'S been saying. Now suddenly that there is no one in the cell alive to confirm or deny it Rods able to give details about what he did or didn't do in cell chat.