I'll say it again: Rhand's play is sloppy as town, and nonsensical as nontown. He doesn't even get to WIFOM-clear himself.
Turning on him because you don't understand the play or you think it was scummy is fine (although: see above), trying to catch him in some contradiction or gotcha without taking a clear stance is NOT fine.
Looking at you, @tom. Are the quotes you dropped meant to imply anything about your opinion on Rhand / this whole fiasco, or did you put them here because they are "interesting"?
Also looking at Johnny for a different reason: I don't see how the questions he asks & the comments he makes will lead him to determining Rhand's motivations. He talks about the role being bastardly, he criticizes Rhand's play being sloppy, he talks about his own raaaaaage, but I don't see what he's trying to discover here.
Vaimes is skirting the topic. I'm not surprised but I kinda expected more.
I'll say it again: Rhand's play is sloppy as town, and nonsensical as nontown. He doesn't even get to WIFOM-clear himself.
Turning on him because you don't understand the play or you think it was scummy is fine (although: see above), trying to catch him in some contradiction or gotcha without taking a clear stance is NOT fine.
Looking at you, @tom. Are the quotes you dropped meant to imply anything about your opinion on Rhand / this whole fiasco, or did you put them here because they are "interesting"?
Also looking at Johnny for a different reason: I don't see how the questions he asks & the comments he makes will lead him to determining Rhand's motivations. He talks about the role being bastardly, he criticizes Rhand's play being sloppy, he talks about his own raaaaaage, but I don't see what he's trying to discover here.
Vaimes is skirting the topic. I'm not surprised but I kinda expected more.
Hottake: Rhand is a neutral SK variant. FLarg is just a wolf.
Is Vaimes still scum in that world?
Yes to the Vaimes part.
Also looking at Johnny for a different reason: I don't see how the questions he asks & the comments he makes will lead him to determining Rhand's motivations. He talks about the role being bastardly, he criticizes Rhand's play being sloppy, he talks about his own raaaaaage, but I don't see what he's trying to discover here.
You are pointedly ignoring my posts then if you think I wasn't determining his alignment. The one world I could see this coming from nontown was in one exact situation. Trouble is the situation isn't that far out of what I was at before all this madness.
I am still on the killFlarg train for day/Compulse Rodemy. I don't know what magical thing Kpaca could say to make me suddenly ok with allowing Flarg to go to the end game, but two replacements in a row when they were under pressure actually killed any motivation I had to play this game.
I'm vanilla town. Rhand is claiming to be some sort of compulsive gambler. He has convinced his cell block mates to cover for him, and is doing this hall hearted "we'll use my kills together" thing to get them to cover for him. Pretty sure he's scum or at best some sort of SK. The notes he has been sending to whoever was here before me are pretty much trying to coach a sheep of a new player to follow a dastardly plan. Without ever actually demanding, he strongly implies that Flargbarg needs to claim for Rhand, and also help "end this ZDS nonsense". No idea what the ZDS nonsense is since I just replaced it, but I'm inclined to think I would have appreciated a continuation of the ZDS nonsense.
He has also referred to keeping up "the charade" in the event of a massclaim. Townies don't use the word "charade".
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but I don't see what he's trying to discover here.
I am trying to discover how much sanity I have left for this game.
I am trying to discover if there is any world that Rhand would do this as a wolf. Because it makes **** all from the town side.
I am trying to decide if Rod still needs to die, and if he flips town, I am wrong on at least 1 town player unless Rhand is actually a wolf. The fact that every wolf read of his list has been someone who has just disliked him, it just reeks of not solving. The most town thing he has done since he walked in was question Rhand
I am wondering why the **** we are flirting with all this ***** near deadline.
I am trying to figure out if its worth it to try and take this giant pile of *****, kick it down the street, and just go for VAimes. Because I have this enormous paranoia that every time I think "oh, I'll deal with him tomorrow", some giant ***** storm comes and makes me forget that I don't think a single person doesn't have him in PoE. That he is just bouncing around and doing nothing, that isoing people on mtgs is pure garbage, and if that is an ordeal I want to deal with while the world goes crazy.
So ZDS, for a split second, instead of trying to solve, my brain exploded. You will forgive me for the fact that my avatar does not reflect my current mood, and indulge this parting fancy of trying to figure out why for the several years of mafia I have been playing, I have never seen such a ridiculous move in my life. The closest would be Digi's weird as two part seer claim from a basic years ago, and Digi had NEVER played mafia before.
I am trying to discover how much sanity I have left for this game.
I am trying to discover if there is any world that Rhand would do this as a wolf. Because it makes **** all from the town side.
I am trying to decide if Rod still needs to die, and if he flips town, I am wrong on at least 1 town player unless Rhand is actually a wolf. The fact that every wolf read of his list has been someone who has just disliked him, it just reeks of not solving. The most town thing he has done since he walked in was question Rhand
I am wondering why the **** we are flirting with all this ***** near deadline.
I am trying to figure out if its worth it to try and take this giant pile of *****, kick it down the street, and just go for VAimes. Because I have this enormous paranoia that every time I think "oh, I'll deal with him tomorrow", some giant ***** storm comes and makes me forget that I don't think a single person doesn't have him in PoE. That he is just bouncing around and doing nothing, that isoing people on mtgs is pure garbage, and if that is an ordeal I want to deal with while the world goes crazy.
So ZDS, for a split second, instead of trying to solve, my brain exploded. You will forgive me for the fact that my avatar does not reflect my current mood, and indulge this parting fancy of trying to figure out why for the several years of mafia I have been playing, I have never seen such a ridiculous move in my life. The closest would be Digi's weird as two part seer claim from a basic years ago, and Digi had NEVER played mafia before.
I might post later. ***** gonna get real.
Can you explain to me whats going on because I'm just operating from a weird vacuum of look at this scum named Rhand right now.
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Based on this claim I'm looking at two most likely scenarii:
1) Rhand is a *****ty nerfed vig (implying 4 scum), with very decent chances of him being the only town in Cell E;
2) Rhand is the SK (or a scumvig) (implying 3 scum) and the coronavirus is attacking his brain directly.
I want scenario 1 to be completely true, I will feel so vindicated if my initial analysis of Flarg was completely right and he and Vaimes are buddies.
In the end the claim doesn't actually change much for me right now since I will still gladly lynch either Kpaca or Vaimes, just for different reasons now re:Kpaca (well technically I'm back to my initial reasons from early Day 2).
For the record just the fact there is now an explanation for why Flarg claimed out of the blue makes me mostly believe the claim. I have doubts about the part with the 50/50 chance, but that's set-up speculation and irrelevant given the timing (had the votes currently on Fpargca been on Rhand instead, I would have probably jumped to the opposite conclusions).
@Kpaca & @Vaimes Can you confirm Rhand rolenamed claim in your chat? @Kpaca Can you confirm the whispers? @Rhand Why vig Grapefruit? Who else were you considering, if anyone? @Rhand While you were townreading Flarg, what were you planning to do if he ever died?
He only role name claimed after he shot and killed grape.
He didn't tell us during the night, only after the night results, and he told us with the toilet paper note thing.
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He has convinced his cell block mates to cover for him, and is doing this hall hearted "we'll use my kills together" thing to get them to cover for him.
Not on my end, he isn't. Rhand did not claim his actual ability in the chat, but I know he had some secret stuff going on with your slot.
I am trying to figure out if its worth it to try and take this giant pile of *****, kick it down the street, and just go for VAimes. Because I have this enormous paranoia that every time I think "oh, I'll deal with him tomorrow", some giant ***** storm comes and makes me forget that I don't think a single person doesn't have him in PoE.
As if anyone could forget me with ZDS breathing down my neck.
He has convinced his cell block mates to cover for him, and is doing this hall hearted "we'll use my kills together" thing to get them to cover for him.
Because unless I missed it Rhand has not said anything in public about "using his kills together". At least according to his claim the messages he sent were only about proposing the claim then asking whether to end the charade.
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@kpaca In addition to Johnny's summary, check #2713 for flips, known roles/claims, and current suspects. Rhand posted past votecounts right after.
For reference, "ZDS nonsense" is almost certainly a reference to early Day 2, when I was going hard after your predecessor and Rhand was hardcore chainsaw defending him.
@Johnny Is the "one exact situation" the one where Rhand is SK? Or something else? Either way, walk me through how your questions will help you determine whether we are living in this world, if they will.
So rhand. Instead of claiming you could have been on a scumFlarg wagon. Had A HIGH CHANCE of shooting scum toNight.
instead you will die tonight?
that logic does not compute
this might be my favorite rod thought since he replaced.
If townrhand thought now was the time to kill flargs slot.
Which apparently he did since he voted him to L-1.
Why do he claim and not just let flarg die for being SK? And then get to shoot free and clear?
And in that case... stay off the wagon?
In fact the being on a wagon part means hed only want to be on the lynch wagon if he thinks its gonna flip town, which is not how he played it...
ZDS says this claim is town because its nonsensical as a wolf but it feels moreso as town?
Looking at you, @tom. Are the quotes you dropped meant to imply anything about your opinion on Rhand / this whole fiasco, or did you put them here because they are "interesting"?
i went and looked at the claim and quoted them so i wouldnt have to find again, but yes i think theyre interesting and they probably imply/speak to what i was thinking about since i chose what to quote.
Yes i think theyre... not coming from the mindset hes describing
I sent 2 messages. One to both Vaimes and Flarg/Kpaca on Day 1 when LW said his gamble thing, claiming my role name.
One only to Flarg/Kpaca proposing to claim my vig shot on Grape on Day 2. The ZDS nonsense is part of that message: I thought ZDS’s push on Flarg at the time to be bad. What Kpaca leaves out now is that I told him in that message that Vaimes didn’t know.
And @Vaimes: there’s no way you could have figured out that there was something more between me and Flarg because we hardly chatted at all Night 2. Add to that that you thought I had a vig shot... have I been rolecopped?
Yeah this game has took enough turn for the worst, not used to a game that this is messy. Its really hard to keep track of things with this many twists and people doing insane gambits for no reason
Yea I'm not getting the TMI....You said it yourself you were town reading flarg immensely. Kinda makes sense to say you'd communicate more with the person you trust more to be town
If it wasn’t clear: I think my cellmates are both mafia because Vaimes knows things he shouldn’t know.
You literally told me you were considering telling Flarg more info because you didn’t trust me, and there’s an article describing the Gambler role on MU.
You literally told me you were considering telling Flarg more info because you didn’t trust me, and there’s an article describing the Gambler role on MU.
Yeah, way back on Night 1 when the chats opened, Flarg asked if Rhand sent me his role name too. Then he asked what Gambler did, and Rhand said he’d tell Flarg but he didn’t really trust me.
Here’s the MU description for Gambler:
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The Gambler may each night submit a guess as to who they think will be lynched the next day phase. If their guess ends up being correct, they are rewarded with a 1-shot Vigilante kill to be used on any night of their choice.
Also KILLJOY.
I liked that.
It would be a special kind of crazy if he actually is a SK and Rhand (town or scum) had him fakeclaim vig for him anyways.
I’m not sure anymore.
I’m gonna say vaimes and Johnny.
aye that’s my exact thought.
Turning on him because you don't understand the play or you think it was scummy is fine (although: see above), trying to catch him in some contradiction or gotcha without taking a clear stance is NOT fine.
Looking at you, @tom. Are the quotes you dropped meant to imply anything about your opinion on Rhand / this whole fiasco, or did you put them here because they are "interesting"?
Also looking at Johnny for a different reason: I don't see how the questions he asks & the comments he makes will lead him to determining Rhand's motivations. He talks about the role being bastardly, he criticizes Rhand's play being sloppy, he talks about his own raaaaaage, but I don't see what he's trying to discover here.
Vaimes is skirting the topic. I'm not surprised but I kinda expected more.
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Is Vaimes still scum in that world?
Yes to the Vaimes part.
You are pointedly ignoring my posts then if you think I wasn't determining his alignment. The one world I could see this coming from nontown was in one exact situation. Trouble is the situation isn't that far out of what I was at before all this madness.
I am still on the killFlarg train for day/Compulse Rodemy. I don't know what magical thing Kpaca could say to make me suddenly ok with allowing Flarg to go to the end game, but two replacements in a row when they were under pressure actually killed any motivation I had to play this game.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Check your prison chat. Your slot and Rhand apparently decided to do this ******* FPS play for whatever reason so that Rhand could...
I don't actually know what the plan was with telling flarg.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I'm vanilla town. Rhand is claiming to be some sort of compulsive gambler. He has convinced his cell block mates to cover for him, and is doing this hall hearted "we'll use my kills together" thing to get them to cover for him. Pretty sure he's scum or at best some sort of SK. The notes he has been sending to whoever was here before me are pretty much trying to coach a sheep of a new player to follow a dastardly plan. Without ever actually demanding, he strongly implies that Flargbarg needs to claim for Rhand, and also help "end this ZDS nonsense". No idea what the ZDS nonsense is since I just replaced it, but I'm inclined to think I would have appreciated a continuation of the ZDS nonsense.
He has also referred to keeping up "the charade" in the event of a massclaim. Townies don't use the word "charade".
Oh yeah, this is totally a guy who realized he can't drive the newbie around anymore.
The jig is up homie.
vote: Rhand
I am trying to discover how much sanity I have left for this game.
I am trying to discover if there is any world that Rhand would do this as a wolf. Because it makes **** all from the town side.
I am trying to decide if Rod still needs to die, and if he flips town, I am wrong on at least 1 town player unless Rhand is actually a wolf. The fact that every wolf read of his list has been someone who has just disliked him, it just reeks of not solving. The most town thing he has done since he walked in was question Rhand
I am wondering why the **** we are flirting with all this ***** near deadline.
I am trying to figure out if its worth it to try and take this giant pile of *****, kick it down the street, and just go for VAimes. Because I have this enormous paranoia that every time I think "oh, I'll deal with him tomorrow", some giant ***** storm comes and makes me forget that I don't think a single person doesn't have him in PoE. That he is just bouncing around and doing nothing, that isoing people on mtgs is pure garbage, and if that is an ordeal I want to deal with while the world goes crazy.
So ZDS, for a split second, instead of trying to solve, my brain exploded. You will forgive me for the fact that my avatar does not reflect my current mood, and indulge this parting fancy of trying to figure out why for the several years of mafia I have been playing, I have never seen such a ridiculous move in my life. The closest would be Digi's weird as two part seer claim from a basic years ago, and Digi had NEVER played mafia before.
I might post later. ***** gonna get real.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Can you explain to me whats going on because I'm just operating from a weird vacuum of look at this scum named Rhand right now.
He only role name claimed after he shot and killed grape.
He didn't tell us during the night, only after the night results, and he told us with the toilet paper note thing.
Rhand claimed Gambler before the Day 1 lunch went through.
I figured he was sending Flarg more messages because he trusted him more but this is getting a little ridiculous.
2). Until a few hours ago, your slot was claiming credit for the vig shots
3). We no lynched yesterday because of feet dragging and ego.
4). #2 was completely thrown out the window a few hours ago
5). I don't know anymore.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere.
I like kpaca now.
But I do want to learn more about :
Because unless I missed it Rhand has not said anything in public about "using his kills together". At least according to his claim the messages he sent were only about proposing the claim then asking whether to end the charade.
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@kpaca In addition to Johnny's summary, check #2713 for flips, known roles/claims, and current suspects. Rhand posted past votecounts right after.
For reference, "ZDS nonsense" is almost certainly a reference to early Day 2, when I was going hard after your predecessor and Rhand was hardcore chainsaw defending him.
@Johnny Is the "one exact situation" the one where Rhand is SK? Or something else? Either way, walk me through how your questions will help you determine whether we are living in this world, if they will.
At least you are admitting you weren't solving.
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Johnny had me scared mentioning the deadline, but no there's still five days.
Unvote, Vote: Vaimes
The kpaca/Rhand thing is looking more complex than it seemed and the chance of hitting town between the two of them is too high.
Vaimes on the other hand is still his good old reliably scummy self.
Your predecessor claimed vigging grape. Me and last are confirmed masons, there have been no red flips.
If townrhand thought now was the time to kill flargs slot.
Which apparently he did since he voted him to L-1.
Why do he claim and not just let flarg die for being SK? And then get to shoot free and clear?
And in that case... stay off the wagon?
In fact the being on a wagon part means hed only want to be on the lynch wagon if he thinks its gonna flip town, which is not how he played it...
ZDS says this claim is town because its nonsensical as a wolf but it feels moreso as town?
Now i think there is
Rhand killed Grape
Yes i think theyre... not coming from the mindset hes describing
One only to Flarg/Kpaca proposing to claim my vig shot on Grape on Day 2. The ZDS nonsense is part of that message: I thought ZDS’s push on Flarg at the time to be bad. What Kpaca leaves out now is that I told him in that message that Vaimes didn’t know.
And @Vaimes: there’s no way you could have figured out that there was something more between me and Flarg because we hardly chatted at all Night 2. Add to that that you thought I had a vig shot... have I been rolecopped?
vote Vaimes for tmi
And I will never like Kpaca, since I can't read him for *****
Same
I hate this game haha
Im gonna look at things, find the tinfoils, figure out which can be real
Here’s the MU description for Gambler: