I'm literally never getting a longer post done while this is going on.
I would hazard a guess that DV has made roles in this game to defy traditional set-up gaming. Which I just take as a challenge.
I don't believe you. Your role being more standard is more reason to believe it's fake.
DK, could you take this seriously, maybe?
You think I made that up? I thought you were going to say you thought it was real, but still scum. How do I just make that role-claim up? Pretty easy for me to get busted later, wouldn't it be?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Just lynch Axel. That is not a town role. Extremely overpowered compared to everything we've seen.
Dude, it is weaker than just a standard Watcher ability. In what world do you call "over-powered."
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'm literally never getting a longer post done while this is going on.
I would hazard a guess that DV has made roles in this game to defy traditional set-up gaming. Which I just take as a challenge.
I don't believe you. Your role being more standard is more reason to believe it's fake.
DK, could you take this seriously, maybe?
You think I made that up? I thought you were going to say you thought it was real, but still scum. How do I just make that role-claim up? Pretty easy for me to get busted later, wouldn't it be?
****, man, I don't know.
I have to go in 15 minutes, I might, might, might be able to check in later, this is all I've got. I don't believe your claim. I hope people have the balls to kill you without me pushing it.
Gemma is town. Nacho (screw him) is probably also town. I want to kill Silver, but I think it's just me being pissed off about him fighting this. Look at him tomorrow. Rhand backed off of Grape and voted Axel at the right time, give him a break tomorrow.
Bye Proph, if I die, I'm sorry we missed playing with each other again.
the poignant part re: kitty, or the part that pushes me over the edge with regards to her is the idea that 1640 exists. at that point there was basically a 0% chance that kitty thought that she was surviving the day so the fact that she made a larger effort than she did all game to assess reads and make her feelings transparent means that she either has the "never give up as scum" gene (which is very rare as far as I can tell) or she's town.
there's also a number of moments that rang pretty true to me, especially with regards to the "it sucks no one knows that this ISN'T HOW I PLAY" or the "it's okay, I'll just complain about it in spec chat" bits, there's her thinking about how to use her ridiculous roleblock in a pro-town way which is an exceptional touch if scum but again it's waiting until she's basically 100% doomed to bring it out, doesn't make sense from a scum perspective.
we REALLY shouldn't kill axel here - watcher is an extremely powerful role and he basically has the good version for today and today only. risk-reward in lynching him looks a hell of a lot better tomorrow than it does today.
you aren't an idiot you just did a stupid thing, please please really never ever do it again
but i forgive you and am still glad you're here
it helps that i have you completely pocketed
which townie should we run up next? hehe i mean you know, let's find scum hehe
i think axel's reaction to the whole kitty thing looked pretty genuine so that probably colors things a bit. i don't have time at the moment, have an appointment i'm already late for, but, following my disconnected train of thought earlier - we have a bus driver and a watcher that scum is trying to dodge tonight. if both are town and scum chooses wrong on either, it means either they lose their nightkill and kitty directs their nightkill instead OR axel sees them killing and outs them tomorrow.
if they have a roleblocker in the equation tonight and roleblocker blocks bus driver (would definitely make sense), scum are forced to kill Axel or Axel sees them roleblock Kitty, which is a win for us since it's a shot outside of the two confirmable town.
you aren't an idiot you just did a stupid thing, please please really never ever do it again
but i forgive you and am still glad you're here
it helps that i have you completely pocketed
which townie should we run up next? hehe i mean you know, let's find scum hehe
Obvious town my ass, there is nothing obviously town about that playx only that it literally makes no sense from s wolf perspective which is literally just wine
you aren't an idiot you just did a stupid thing, please please really never ever do it again
but i forgive you and am still glad you're here
it helps that i have you completely pocketed
which townie should we run up next? hehe i mean you know, let's find scum hehe
you aren't an idiot you just did a stupid thing, please please really never ever do it again
but i forgive you and am still glad you're here
it helps that i have you completely pocketed
which townie should we run up next? hehe i mean you know, let's find scum hehe
think you're annoyed, imagine how i feel, i spent all day trying to be super town so that mafia would have to kill me and now we have like a hundred roles out and i'm never going to die literally everything i did all day was pointless
you aren't an idiot you just did a stupid thing, please please really never ever do it again
but i forgive you and am still glad you're here
it helps that i have you completely pocketed
which townie should we run up next? hehe i mean you know, let's find scum hehe
thank you.
Who are you voting?
dk
Why the summer switch? Was that to help KCC? Can’t scroll back to look.
Obvious town my ass, there is nothing obviously town about that playx only that it literally makes no sense from s wolf perspective which is literally just wine
That readlist by KCC was not good in any way
Like none of this makes sense
it was a spectacular brand of idiocy that led us here and if you disagree with my perspective i do understand
but if scum here there were much better ways to go about the gambit that would lead to less hostility and wouldn't completely and utterly trash my chances of getting to endgame i.e. instead of counterclaiming with the role i did counterclaim with "one-shot roleblocker that DOES block kills" after kitty died and flipped town.
you aren't an idiot you just did a stupid thing, please please really never ever do it again
but i forgive you and am still glad you're here
it helps that i have you completely pocketed
which townie should we run up next? hehe i mean you know, let's find scum hehe
thank you.
Who are you voting?
dk
Why the summer switch? Was that to help KCC? Can’t scroll back to look.
the readslist is important because kcc was basically dead at that point unless you think that she could have predicted this particular situation unfolding or that she thought there was a particularly large chance of it, which i very heavily doubt was the case.
the readslist is important because kcc was basically dead at that point unless you think that she could have predicted this particular situation unfolding or that she thought there was a particularly large chance of it, which i very heavily doubt was the case.
It’s nice, but leaving a list before death is pretty standard imo
the readslist is important because kcc was basically dead at that point unless you think that she could have predicted this particular situation unfolding or that she thought there was a particularly large chance of it, which i very heavily doubt was the case.
It’s nice, but leaving a list before death is pretty standard imo
not like she just posted a low effort rainbow - i'd wager she spent more time and brain cells making that than she did on any other posts she made.
the readslist is important because kcc was basically dead at that point unless you think that she could have predicted this particular situation unfolding or that she thought there was a particularly large chance of it, which i very heavily doubt was the case.
understand your read, don't agree because i think it's very unreliable thing to try to read into
goodnight stop being late for your appointment
which again is really weird if she thought she was dead.
like when scum is CC'd and it becomes patently obvious they are ****ed, they stop posting. they don't continue to add to their narrative and reveal little slips of what they were thinking of doing in the future with their night actions, don't think that they start playing better than they have the entire game - feel it's much more likely that she was transparent because she thought she was dead and this was the last thing she'd be doing in the game before she went
the readslist is important because kcc was basically dead at that point unless you think that she could have predicted this particular situation unfolding or that she thought there was a particularly large chance of it, which i very heavily doubt was the case.
understand your read, don't agree because i think it's very unreliable thing to try to read into
goodnight stop being late for your appointment
which again is really weird if she thought she was dead.
like when scum is CC'd and it becomes patently obvious they are ****ed, they stop posting. they don't continue to add to their narrative and reveal little slips of what they were thinking of doing in the future with their night actions, don't think that they start playing better than they have the entire game - feel it's much more likely that she was transparent because she thought she was dead and this was the last thing she'd be doing in the game before she went
Okay, here's what I've been doing in the other window for the past 2 hours. Starting to look at people voting for me.
On the one hand, I'm an easy vote, because I've loudly stated multiple times that I'm not really into the game yet, and that I need some flips and claims to start working stuff out. This makes it easy to vote me for coasting and/or not doing anything, which can be scummy.
On the other hand, this is what I do, so, it really shouldn't be a surprise. Also, I will point out that this is one of the longest D1s (in terms of postcounts) ever, maybe only behind Zero Escape for me? It makes it so much harder, and longer, to wade back through all the posts.
But, here we go.
First person to voting for me was Vaimes (only 171 posts). The first time he mentioned me at all was Here @#127. Did not give an indication why he thought I would be a "good vote", just said it. Which, fine, for that early in the game.
His (first?) vote for me came Here @#288. Again, no reasons, just says "I will explore this." I'm not saying Vaimes should know me better, but if he knew me better he would know that that kind of vote would do literally zero in terms of getting a response from me. The way it's phrased suggests that other people were expressing suspicions of me and he's hopping on. I do not know if that was what was happening. It was still early.
Vaimes leaves voting for me and switches to DK, without ever expressing why.
Goes back to me at #650. At least he says someting here, which is that he didn't like my "call out" of KCC. Said it looked out of character and pricklier. I am assuming he's talking about the post where I said that I thought a Town-KCC would have been more apologetic about her absence from the thread. I know "Tone" is sometimes hard to read, but I wasn't being prickly at all. It was (and still is?) a valid observation. I have no idea why he would say that was "out of character" for me. So, this is kind of a lazy vote.
By #729, I'm still his favored Lunch, but he's still yet to actually say a single thing about me other than the above. So, that's Red Flag territory.
He goes off me to vote Mindreaver for a bit (after defending Mindreaver earlier, I think). This was at a moment where it looked like Mindreaver could be going down due to inactivity.
#910 is where he says the most he's going to say. Says I don't have the "energy" I had in my last game (Modern). And thinks I've been targeting LHF. Which, eh. I won't say he should know better, quite. But it's still weak. Maybe I did have (a tiny) bit more energy in the early part of Modern. Maybe? I'm not re-reading myself to judge. But I know that game also moved faster than this one. I'm not playing any different.
So, finally, after prodding, Vaimes makes some posts here: #957 #979. Again comments on my targeting "LHF" and "hemming and hawing."
I would point out that the thing about targeting "LHF" and "easy" targets, is that, well, they are usually LHF and/or easy targets for a reason. Like, there's something there. And he acknowledges my very open admission that I don't have strong opinions on D1, even says he will "check that out" when he has time. But that doesn't actually seems to matter. Mentions the KCC "out of character" thing again. Here I'm having trouble getting how he is claiming to know me enough to observe this is out of character, but apparently does not know me enough to know that I hate D1 and just don't have strong opinions. And that I waffle on my reads literally all the time.
That is super lazy Vaimes or just disingenuous.
There's one more part where he says he feels weirded out by my Nacho interactions, like, I should be scumreading Nacho but I'm not. This isn't really elaborated on.
More or less concludes in #980 saying it's an overall "feel" as opposed to a smoking gun.
I think that's basically it. If I'm boiling it down, it's not so much a strong scum read as that he's doing a process of elimination and just likes literally everyone else better? Which seems incredible to me given some of the players. But maybe is an opinion you can have. There's some irony in this vote and his criticisms of me.
It wasn't a thing until last night when the CFD suddenly started. So, I probably should look at that more than the people (Vaimes/Killjoy) who were just sitting on me for a long time.
But that has to be later. I've got to go right now. I haven't even had a shower this morning....
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
which again is really weird if she thought she was dead.
like when scum is CC'd and it becomes patently obvious they are ****ed, they stop posting. they don't continue to add to their narrative and reveal little slips of what they were thinking of doing in the future with their night actions, don't think that they start playing better than they have the entire game - feel it's much more likely that she was transparent because she thought she was dead and this was the last thing she'd be doing in the game before she went
which again is really weird if she thought she was dead.
like when scum is CC'd and it becomes patently obvious they are ****ed, they stop posting. they don't continue to add to their narrative and reveal little slips of what they were thinking of doing in the future with their night actions, don't think that they start playing better than they have the entire game - feel it's much more likely that she was transparent because she thought she was dead and this was the last thing she'd be doing in the game before she went
umm what
Who thinks like this?
Do you think KCC is scum?
I don't honestly know, but like there is no definition to how wolves play based on specific situations, it's all wine, plus u did not even full counter claim her
Probably wolves sitting on Axelrod trying to force us to hammer him at deadline.
[Rhand / Last / Keldeo / Vaimes / fulcrum]
Probably two of those in approximately that order, or my reads are upside down.
Start off wagon though, basically has to be 1 in [dkingsland / tom / Proph] or someone snowed me.
dkingsland wagon still pure as hell and he's off wagon in this vote count and he's not the watcher.
I endorse the "KCC busdrives Axel and Axel watches her" plan.
Okay I wasn't supposed to be on the computer at all and I've been here for almost two hours, might be able to do another unofficial count before deadline but no promises.
I’m just gonna claim now. I kinda wanted to claim earlier because Nacho unlocked my role, but then Axel got CC’ed and more chaos ensued.
I’m Titania, Town Summer Queen
I’m a BG. During summer, I target a player and die in their place if they get targeted with a kill. Each time the game changes to summer, I can change my target if I want.
FWIW, I breadcrumbed the ***** out of this earlier.
I promise I actually am. I just don’t want to vote yet because I don’t know how many votes there are on Axel.
I think the fact that Nacho didn’t actually CC KCC and was doing setup-gaming probably means there isn’t as much redundancy as Silver thinks.
****, man, I don't know.
I have to go in 15 minutes, I might, might, might be able to check in later, this is all I've got. I don't believe your claim. I hope people have the balls to kill you without me pushing it.
Gemma is town. Nacho (screw him) is probably also town. I want to kill Silver, but I think it's just me being pissed off about him fighting this. Look at him tomorrow. Rhand backed off of Grape and voted Axel at the right time, give him a break tomorrow.
Bye Proph, if I die, I'm sorry we missed playing with each other again.
there's also a number of moments that rang pretty true to me, especially with regards to the "it sucks no one knows that this ISN'T HOW I PLAY" or the "it's okay, I'll just complain about it in spec chat" bits, there's her thinking about how to use her ridiculous roleblock in a pro-town way which is an exceptional touch if scum but again it's waiting until she's basically 100% doomed to bring it out, doesn't make sense from a scum perspective.
i am still sorry. i am still an idiot.
Nacho no longer gets my leap of faith.
I don’t really care about roles tbh. There’s probably tons of overlap.
Wot
but i forgive you and am still glad you're here
it helps that i have you completely pocketed
which townie should we run up next? hehe i mean you know, let's find scum hehe
KittyCupCake (2): dkingsland967 (#942), Axelrod (#1619)
Grapefruit21 (2): tomsloger (#1670), Gemma (#1723)
dkingsland967 (4): Silvercrys3467 (#1313), Asta (#1359), Grapefruit21 (#1489), Nachomamma8 (#1647)
Axelrod (7): Vaimes (#979), Killjoy (#1525), Lastwhisper (#1651), Keldeo (#1666), vezokpiraka (#1692), Rhand (#1700), fulcrum (#1724)
Abstaining (1): Prophylaxis
Axelrod at L-2.
if they have a roleblocker in the equation tonight and roleblocker blocks bus driver (would definitely make sense), scum are forced to kill Axel or Axel sees them roleblock Kitty, which is a win for us since it's a shot outside of the two confirmable town.
policy lynching me even though i'm obvious town is better than lynching axel today for the reasons i brought up, even if axel is scum.
thank you.
That readlist by KCC was not good in any way
Like none of this makes sense
unvote: Axel
dk
We can’t keep pulling claims.
it was a spectacular brand of idiocy that led us here and if you disagree with my perspective i do understand
but if scum here there were much better ways to go about the gambit that would lead to less hostility and wouldn't completely and utterly trash my chances of getting to endgame i.e. instead of counterclaiming with the role i did counterclaim with "one-shot roleblocker that DOES block kills" after kitty died and flipped town.
i'm going to sleep
you guys don't need me to lynch dk if you end up there
just lynch *someone* please
yes.
kcc claimed bus driver in summer.
not like she just posted a low effort rainbow - i'd wager she spent more time and brain cells making that than she did on any other posts she made.
goodnight stop being late for your appointment
like when scum is CC'd and it becomes patently obvious they are ****ed, they stop posting. they don't continue to add to their narrative and reveal little slips of what they were thinking of doing in the future with their night actions, don't think that they start playing better than they have the entire game - feel it's much more likely that she was transparent because she thought she was dead and this was the last thing she'd be doing in the game before she went
goodnight.
i will leave now.
Who thinks like this?
vote axelrod
going with fulcrum
trust
On the one hand, I'm an easy vote, because I've loudly stated multiple times that I'm not really into the game yet, and that I need some flips and claims to start working stuff out. This makes it easy to vote me for coasting and/or not doing anything, which can be scummy.
On the other hand, this is what I do, so, it really shouldn't be a surprise. Also, I will point out that this is one of the longest D1s (in terms of postcounts) ever, maybe only behind Zero Escape for me? It makes it so much harder, and longer, to wade back through all the posts.
But, here we go.
First person to voting for me was Vaimes (only 171 posts). The first time he mentioned me at all was Here @#127. Did not give an indication why he thought I would be a "good vote", just said it. Which, fine, for that early in the game.
His (first?) vote for me came Here @#288. Again, no reasons, just says "I will explore this." I'm not saying Vaimes should know me better, but if he knew me better he would know that that kind of vote would do literally zero in terms of getting a response from me. The way it's phrased suggests that other people were expressing suspicions of me and he's hopping on. I do not know if that was what was happening. It was still early.
Vaimes leaves voting for me and switches to DK, without ever expressing why.
Goes back to me at #650. At least he says someting here, which is that he didn't like my "call out" of KCC. Said it looked out of character and pricklier. I am assuming he's talking about the post where I said that I thought a Town-KCC would have been more apologetic about her absence from the thread. I know "Tone" is sometimes hard to read, but I wasn't being prickly at all. It was (and still is?) a valid observation. I have no idea why he would say that was "out of character" for me. So, this is kind of a lazy vote.
By #729, I'm still his favored Lunch, but he's still yet to actually say a single thing about me other than the above. So, that's Red Flag territory.
He goes off me to vote Mindreaver for a bit (after defending Mindreaver earlier, I think). This was at a moment where it looked like Mindreaver could be going down due to inactivity.
#910 is where he says the most he's going to say. Says I don't have the "energy" I had in my last game (Modern). And thinks I've been targeting LHF. Which, eh. I won't say he should know better, quite. But it's still weak. Maybe I did have (a tiny) bit more energy in the early part of Modern. Maybe? I'm not re-reading myself to judge. But I know that game also moved faster than this one. I'm not playing any different.
So, finally, after prodding, Vaimes makes some posts here:
#957
#979. Again comments on my targeting "LHF" and "hemming and hawing."
I would point out that the thing about targeting "LHF" and "easy" targets, is that, well, they are usually LHF and/or easy targets for a reason. Like, there's something there. And he acknowledges my very open admission that I don't have strong opinions on D1, even says he will "check that out" when he has time. But that doesn't actually seems to matter. Mentions the KCC "out of character" thing again. Here I'm having trouble getting how he is claiming to know me enough to observe this is out of character, but apparently does not know me enough to know that I hate D1 and just don't have strong opinions. And that I waffle on my reads literally all the time.
That is super lazy Vaimes or just disingenuous.
There's one more part where he says he feels weirded out by my Nacho interactions, like, I should be scumreading Nacho but I'm not. This isn't really elaborated on.
More or less concludes in #980 saying it's an overall "feel" as opposed to a smoking gun.
I think that's basically it. If I'm boiling it down, it's not so much a strong scum read as that he's doing a process of elimination and just likes literally everyone else better? Which seems incredible to me given some of the players. But maybe is an opinion you can have. There's some irony in this vote and his criticisms of me.
It wasn't a thing until last night when the CFD suddenly started. So, I probably should look at that more than the people (Vaimes/Killjoy) who were just sitting on me for a long time.
But that has to be later. I've got to go right now. I haven't even had a shower this morning....
Do you think KCC is scum?
KittyCupCake (2): dkingsland967 (#942), Axelrod (#1619)
Grapefruit21 (2): tomsloger (#1670), Gemma (#1723)
dkingsland967 (4): Silvercrys3467 (#1313), Asta (#1359), Grapefruit21 (#1489), Nachomamma8 (#1647)
Axelrod (7): Vaimes (#979), Killjoy (#1525), Lastwhisper (#1651), Keldeo (#1666), vezokpiraka (#1692), Rhand (#1700), fulcrum (#1724)
Abstaining (1): Prophylaxis
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Probably wolves sitting on Axelrod trying to force us to hammer him at deadline.
[Rhand / Last / Keldeo / Vaimes / fulcrum]
Probably two of those in approximately that order, or my reads are upside down.
Start off wagon though, basically has to be 1 in [dkingsland / tom / Proph] or someone snowed me.
dkingsland wagon still pure as hell and he's off wagon in this vote count and he's not the watcher.
I endorse the "KCC busdrives Axel and Axel watches her" plan.
Okay I wasn't supposed to be on the computer at all and I've been here for almost two hours, might be able to do another unofficial count before deadline but no promises.
I have the current vote count at:
Grapefruit21 (1): tomsloger (#1670)
KittyCupCake (2): dkingsland967 (#942), Axelrod (#1619)
dkingsland967 (4): Silvercrys3467 (#1313), Asta (#1359), Grapefruit21 (#1489), Nachomamma8 (#1647)
Axelrod (7): Vaimes (#979), Killjoy (#1525), Keldeo (#1666), vezokpiraka (#1692), Rhand (#1700), fulcrum (#1724), Gemma (#1787)
Abstaining (2): Jackrito, Lastwhisper
Axelrod L-2
Wolves sitting on Axel doesn’t really make sense since dk and KCC were the main wagons before, no? Or am I misremembering?
Axel only became a thing because Nacho slammed on the breaks.
Axels is stronger when it hits, but can easily miss. Fulcrums sounds like it gets less, but always gets something.
If both town, even counting the masons, the info level still seems fine for a game like this. Especially when I can accidentally make messes
I’m Titania, Town Summer Queen
I’m a BG. During summer, I target a player and die in their place if they get targeted with a kill. Each time the game changes to summer, I can change my target if I want.
FWIW, I breadcrumbed the ***** out of this earlier.