Mind: How much experience do you have with Vezok?
Also, explain why all the active players "can't possibly be town"?
Rhand has too many townreads. Rhand: Talk to me about Axel a bit. Why is his attitude towards tom's gimmick scummy?
Why is Asta scum?
Also talk to me about Axel's 308 as well.
Vezok: How do you feel Rhand should be seeing you this game given how different it apperently is to Eurovision?
Axel: People keep telling me I'm improving but . I guess I'm more constistant, but I managed to townread pretty much all the scum in Eurovision for a good portion of the game so.
I have the "too town to mislynch" pretty mcuh down but I keep endgaming because my reads are usually pretty bad.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Nacho: I'll answer you tomarrow, I'm gonna call in sick. I'll also use tomorrow to catch my notes up, during which I'll likely find things I missed in my reread.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@kj: Not whole lot, as it's too early, but I feel that when I'm scum, I try to positiin myself in relation to other wagons and when I'm toen I just go with my reads.
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If you mean 300, I don't find that kind of post very easy to read into personally. The physical experience I get when reading it is that Rhand is slowly pouring a pot full of cold soup over my head to the tune of Peralta's "singing voice". The narration of events is indistinguishable from what I think? is meant to be analysis? and it all just ends up as noise. It's also confusing when people just say "town" or "scum" with no degree of confidence (y'all seem to do that a lot here), my reads are always mapped to a scale of 0-100 and I don't know how I'm supposed to pretend to understand what "town" means for other people with no other information. Sorry that's probably not a very satisfactory answer.
I think some time away will probably do me good, anyways - did get the chance to read KCC's recent scumgame (Watchmen, like 7 pages long or I wouldn't have bothered) and most of her posting seemed very agenda-driven, she talked about being a bit nervous at the onset... Doesn't strike me as the type to launch a gambit like the "scummy role" bit...?
But that's just giving me more townreads which genuinely makes me want to kick something.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I should just declare a general V/LA for Wednesday through Saturday every week. Sometimes I'm not busy, but I'm usually working doubles often enough during those days that I might not feel like doing more than giving a ptap.
And maybe the thread will be easier to read, since I apparently talk too much.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Nacho is floundering and voting in random places. I'm waiting for Nacho to find his feet and make a push he believes in. By helping him push in things he's ambivalent about, I'm helping that process along. Vaimes is along for the ride because he knows how delicious a good wagon is. Haven't liked anything dk's done, no opposition to voting him.
I'm kind of actually angry about the tom thing, and that's not a healthy response, so I'm going to give myself a break from this for a bit. Ping me if you need me (there are pings, right?).
Hey Last could you describe your Vezok progression for me? It looks like you voted her for liking Fulcrum's entrance and then unvoted her for ignoring your vote?
Hey Last could you describe your Vezok progression for me? It looks like you voted her for liking Fulcrum's entrance and then unvoted her for ignoring your vote?
Just trying to make sure I have that straight
Yes and no? It wasn't that he liked it, its that it just felt not real? but I am going with the fact that maybe Vezok is just being a Vezok, and not jumping on the people who vote him, which looks good, and giving thoughts that he believes, which is a complete 180 from my original reasoning for voting him
I uh. Do not have a very solid footing in this game at the moment. I have these like, weird shared townreads with my townreads and we disagree on which of the rest might be wolves/need pressure it feels like.
@tom: I think we ~mostly agree on reads. Could you check my readslist in #350 and give me a rap about where we disagree? Doesn't need to be individual reads for players (you have a bunch of those) just kind of how you're feeling about the game right now.
Okay it's my usual mafia experience where I just accept that I have no reads for now and chaos will reign until we can successfully trim down the numbers. This'll be fun.
I'm gonna follow the movement and lay down a vote to get discussion going. See where this goes!
No I absolutely do not yet have a process, but I DO have fun. (Honestly trying to analyze but it's deffo overwhelming right now. I think I have Gemma/Vaimes somewhere in the vicinity of town but even they're huge question marks right now!)
tbf there is nothing in DK's iso that makes me think he is town, and the only thing that I really don't like is his shade of the Axel wagon, which can come from either alignment
Okay it's my usual mafia experience where I just accept that I have no reads for now and chaos will reign until we can successfully trim down the numbers. This'll be fun.
I'm gonna follow the movement and lay down a vote to get discussion going. See where this goes!
VOTE dkingsland967
Yikes. This vote feels Really Bad^TM.
Why would you vote somewhere where there is a wagon when you presumably don't have a scumread on that person or a townread on the people on the wagon?
Is the vote just to cause CHAOS or are you simply this lost in the game? Any thoughts you had behind this vote would really help me sort you better.
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Well given that idk why anyone is voting DK right now, I am just confused... We don't have reason to believe he is town or a wolf, so what information do we get from it
Well, all I remember about dking is he said he didn't agree with the people voting for me. I don't think I'm going to vote him for that.
I will probably find someone else to vote soon. Or decide KCC is really it. We'll see.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Hey Last could you describe your Vezok progression for me? It looks like you voted her for liking Fulcrum's entrance and then unvoted her for ignoring your vote?
Just trying to make sure I have that straight
Silver - you promised you'd dig into my long posts and I love when people talk about me and things that I'm doing - did you get the chance to do so?
No I absolutely do not yet have a process, but I DO have fun. (Honestly trying to analyze but it's deffo overwhelming right now. I think I have Gemma/Vaimes somewhere in the vicinity of town but even they're huge question marks right now!)
If it's helpful to you, feel free to slot me in as town - I don't mind!
Well given that idk why anyone is voting DK right now, I am just confused... We don't have reason to believe he is town or a wolf, so what information do we get from it
At least there we cases on both Vezok and Axel
I'd rather be voting scum then be voting a townie with a bad case, and I definitely found that I was pushing the case on Axelrod in the end, which I didn't like.
If you want to respond to my criticisms of the vezok case to push me that direction or offer a better alternative then I'm all ears, otherwise I'm on team chaos.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Also: I'm pretty sure the scum aren't entirely in [Gemma, Nacho, Asta, Slothful, fulcrum, Axel(?), dkings(?), Mind(?)] due to the fact that I haven't really been scumread yet. If the entirety of the scumteam was in there, they would either A)not know my playstyle or B) think I was still was easy mislynch and would probably at least have tried at some point before now.
This won't matter unless three of them flip scum, but it's still probably true.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I think a team in those names probably doesn't know you as an easy mislunch and just saw you being generically townie and me+Vaimes townreading you and just said "forget it, not worth pushing right now"
That said the only one of those I think is >rand wolf is Mindreaver so...
Why not Nacho? There was that whole sequence P1/2 where he accused you of criticizing Gemma a bunch and generally misreading your arguments in kind of an unfair way.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Also, explain why all the active players "can't possibly be town"?
Rhand has too many townreads.
Rhand: Talk to me about Axel a bit. Why is his attitude towards tom's gimmick scummy?
Why is Asta scum?
Also talk to me about Axel's 308 as well.
Vezok: How do you feel Rhand should be seeing you this game given how different it apperently is to Eurovision?
Axel: People keep telling me I'm improving but . I guess I'm more constistant, but I managed to townread pretty much all the scum in Eurovision for a good portion of the game so.
I have the "too town to mislynch" pretty mcuh down but I keep endgaming because my reads are usually pretty bad.
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Vote: dkingsland967
Oh boy is mafia hard. I won't be around very much today and I no longer feel comfortable on Axel.
But that's just giving me more townreads which genuinely makes me want to kick something.
Don't be afraid, KJ.
And maybe the thread will be easier to read, since I apparently talk too much.
... I mean what.
I didn't just say that, you said that.
...which is what I was referring to here;
You did well in Watchmen. We thought your reads were good enough to be worth N1 killing
unvote:
Can't be bothered to read anything right now.
See you all tomorrow
Since no one has stated why,
Hey Last could you describe your Vezok progression for me? It looks like you voted her for liking Fulcrum's entrance and then unvoted her for ignoring your vote?
Just trying to make sure I have that straight
I uh. Do not have a very solid footing in this game at the moment. I have these like, weird shared townreads with my townreads and we disagree on which of the rest might be wolves/need pressure it feels like.
@tom: I think we ~mostly agree on reads. Could you check my readslist in #350 and give me a rap about where we disagree? Doesn't need to be individual reads for players (you have a bunch of those) just kind of how you're feeling about the game right now.
I'm gonna follow the movement and lay down a vote to get discussion going. See where this goes!
VOTE dkingsland967
but voting there now will just inflict paranoia
Silvercrys3467 (1): shadowlancerx (#11)
KittyCupCake (1): Axelrod (#34)
Asta (1): Slothful (#44)
Nachomamma8 (1): Vaimes (#64)
Lastwhisper (1): Gemma (#114)
Gemma (1): Killjoy (#121)
Rhand (1): Silvercrys3467 (#143)
Axelrod (1): Rhand (#194)
M1ndreaver (3): vezokpiraka (#182), tomsloger (#190), Nachomamma8 (#196)
Abstaining (5): Lastwhisper, dkingsland967, M1ndreaver, fulcrum, Asta
KittyCupCake (1): Axelrod (#34)
Asta (1): Slothful (#44)
Rhand (1): Silvercrys3467 (#143)
M1ndreaver (1): vezokpiraka (#182)
fulcrum (1): tomsloger (#263)
vezokpiraka (3): Lastwhisper (#247), M1ndreaver (#280), dkingsland967 (#312)
Axelrod (4): Rhand (#194), Nachomamma8 (#264), Gemma (#279), Vaimes (#288)
Abstaining (4): fulcrum, Asta, KittyCupCake, Killjoy
KittyCupCake (1): Axelrod (#34)
Asta (1): Slothful (#44)
Rhand (1): Silvercrys3467 (#143)
M1ndreaver (1): vezokpiraka (#182)
Axelrod (1): Rhand (#194)
fulcrum (1): tomsloger (#263)
vezokpiraka (3): Lastwhisper (#247), M1ndreaver (#280), dkingsland967 (#312)
dkingsland967 (4): Nachomamma8 (#408), Gemma (#410), Vaimes (#412), Asta (#425)
Abstaining (3): fulcrum, KittyCupCake, Killjoy
Yikes. This vote feels Really Bad^TM.
Why would you vote somewhere where there is a wagon when you presumably don't have a scumread on that person or a townread on the people on the wagon?
Is the vote just to cause CHAOS or are you simply this lost in the game? Any thoughts you had behind this vote would really help me sort you better.
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At least there we cases on both Vezok and Axel
You called his "shade" and didn't mention mine at all.
@fulcrum why?
I will probably find someone else to vote soon. Or decide KCC is really it. We'll see.
This is his second game and he's pure af.
Vote Vezok
She gave me an easy townread in Eurovision, and I feel like she's doing the same thing here.
Silver - you promised you'd dig into my long posts and I love when people talk about me and things that I'm doing - did you get the chance to do so?
If it's helpful to you, feel free to slot me in as town - I don't mind!
I'd rather be voting scum then be voting a townie with a bad case, and I definitely found that I was pushing the case on Axelrod in the end, which I didn't like.
If you want to respond to my criticisms of the vezok case to push me that direction or offer a better alternative then I'm all ears, otherwise I'm on team chaos.
This won't matter unless three of them flip scum, but it's still probably true.
That said the only one of those I think is >rand wolf is Mindreaver so...
vote: Killjoy
And know @fulcrum
That says nothing about him, if I decide his pure from this game alone, then sure