I'm not really feeling grape either
Why is this game so hard?
Grape is not giving me that disconnected, malicious feel that I tend to see in his wolf games
I feel like there is just not enough information to secure a wolf Lynch today, and it's be better to just hit someone who has given very little content
Or vaimes, that would make me happy
Hey, since you know Grape, what do you think about my feelings about him? Do you think that change is within his town range?
@fulcrum
I don't really care about your feelings towards him
Like I am all for working with people even though I don't have a clear sense of their alignment, but grape just doesn't give me any wolfy vibes right now
@fulcrum
I don't really care about your feelings towards him
Like I am all for working with people even though I don't have a clear sense of their alignment, but grape just doesn't give me any wolfy vibes right now
Bruh, I'm not asking you if you care, I'm asking you to help me figure out if they're valid.
@fulcrum
I don't really care about your feelings towards him
Like I am all for working with people even though I don't have a clear sense of their alignment, but grape just doesn't give me any wolfy vibes right now
Bruh, I'm not asking you if you care, I'm asking you to help me figure out if they're valid.
fine, for clarities sake, I'm watching a movie and on mobile at the moment, I'll check out your case in an hour or so
I've also got a case of the "don't feel strongly about current wagons, don't have any better ideas"
I'm not real fond of Grape's posts but I have a bad read that makes me think he isn't a wolf and that I probably shouldn't talk about (yet)
I don't really want to lunch KCC but feel pretty ambivalent about the other wagons
I could see myself lunching tom if he ends up being the KCC counterwagon but I'm just as happy to lunch ~most of the other people with wagons on them over her too
Not really spicy, it's pretty old news at this point. I haven't let go of my suspicions from gamestart. You don't remember?
I vaguely remember you wolf reading him for early game stuff but I think you're the only one wolf reading him. His recent posts haven't changed your read at all?
Definitely tom more. Going to DK is compromise because I don't have a ton of strong thoughts and I'm running out of time. While I initially pushed back on the sterile idea it sounds a lot more reasonable now after a night's sleep.
As for KCC I think that the claim is slightly >rand to be town and the manner it was claimed in (the theatrics, initial reluctance to claim, and lack of concern)is slightly more >rand to be town.
I'm still a bit of a stickler for formality but I've slightly relaxed my stance on automatically capitalizing every proper noun.
Can you step in and explain why exactly you said what you said about fulcrum when she hasn't rolled scum in a long time? Like did you read old games, did you talk to people between now and the TinyHunt?
It's a combination of an obsession as well as I think you are hard forcing your meta this game
My tunnels end when people die, or when a decent amount of information tells me otherwise
Guess I'll just wait for you to die, then!
well the wolves better kill my tonight if you are a wolf, or they can wine me by not killing me, and in which case I still hard tunnel, till you start giving a *****
Because I know you ******* can even if you are wrong, you still push things and it feels real, but here I don't see it, and your meta is actually nai at this point, so idk why people keep bringing it up
I vaguely remember you wolf reading him for early game stuff but I think you're the only one wolf reading him. His recent posts haven't changed your read at all?
Not really. I like the effort and engagement, but I don't love the KCC or the dk pushes. Also his "don't lunch anyone!!!" popins seemed a bit much when we almost never lunch anyone before deadline on this site, he hasn't been away that long.
well the wolves better kill my tonight if you are a wolf, or they can wine me by not killing me, and in which case I still hard tunnel, till you start giving a *****
Because I know you ******* can even if you are wrong, you still push things and it feels real, but here I don't see it, and your meta is actually nai at this point, so idk why people keep bringing it up
I admit, the number of ****s available for me to give this game are lower than usual. It's a life thing, not an alignment one.
I don't expect you to care or back off, but tunneling me is most certainly not going to make me dance for you, but if you want to annoy both of us, my ****s are too low to stop you.
Can you step in and explain why exactly you said what you said about fulcrum when she hasn't rolled scum in a long time? Like did you read old games, did you talk to people between now and the TinyHunt?
Combination of old games and things people have said about her in games. Honestly if anything the post she pulled from TinyHunt is in favour of this having been my opinion for a while (paranoid/scared of Reg and Fulcrum town reading each asking for other opinions but going along with it for the minute). I very vividly remember Reg saying something along the lines of "I've PoE'd the game D1 unless fonti is scum." which left an impression.
Yeah, doing anything productive this weekend is looking less and less likely. I'm basically entertaining family and can't devote much time to this game. So it's skimming and random thoughts until next week I suspect. Maybe if something dramatic happens.
I'm going to do the thing I said I didn't want to do though and give my very uninformed gut reads because I feel guilty.
The Town:
10. Axelrod - that's me!
The Town-ish:
6. vezokpiraka - I don't actually have a super town read, but Mason claim for now is not being lynched.
14. Gemma - the best poster?
11. Killjoy - next best?
15. Nachomamma8 - he likes to overwhelm with words which I don't care for, but seems sincere?
8. dkingsland967 - fine
2. Lastwhisper - goes up and down. His style is hard to read. More fine than not so, here.
The True Shrugs:
12. tomsloger -
16. fulcrum - remember nothing except I feel he's been posting more than the others
13. SlothfulGrapefruit21 - remember nothing
17. Asta - remember noting
3. shadowlancerxJackrito - remember nothing
The at-least-a-little scummish:
7. Rhand - sneaky no trust
4. Vaimes - sneaky no trust
9. M1ndreaver - not posting. Really bad disappearing act.
1. Silvercrys3467 - fanning flames on Mindreaver? He's posting though. Probably should not be this low, but, sneaky no trust.
5. KittyCupCake - not posting. Not agreeing with her when she is posting
If this helps someone, more power to you.
but I can't remember what. Maybe the Silver placement? Maybe the Nacho one? Not sure, notes are unclear.
Ok so. I wanna vote Axel for his reaction to KCC's claim. I've thought pretty much all game that the reaction to KCC's initial claim of her role being scummy has been a bit... idk weird. Like, when she claimed, for me, I just kinda threw it to the back of my mind. There's been a contingent of people in this game who have been kinda psudofocusing on that as a reason to scumread KCC. It's conflating a weak argument and I'm not a fan. I don't remember them all right now (I feel like Last is one, Axel, in particular, has been pressing on that kinda hard) but it's kinda irrational to push so hard on what right now is a weak case and call it good. Actually, Axel's position on Mind kinda hit the same notes. Pushing KCC for the claim that her role sounds scummy (and then constantly pushing her to claim) and pushing Mind primarily for lurking doesn't make sense to me from a town perspective when you consider there are stronger tells, objectively better buttons to press. I feel like Axel is pushing what he can justify instead of who he thinks is scum. Vote Axel
It's obviously unlikely that every scum pushes on KCC's claim. I'm townreading Last, and that claim is exactly the kind of thing he gets hung up on.
I'll give Vaimes a Night to get motivated before I start looking at him again.
DK could be scum, he feels dry but I'm apprehensive because IDK if that's just how he is. He was all full of passion when he was trying to lynch me in Modern but that's a small sample size.
I don't wanna lynch KCC. Aside from the claim, I'm not noting anything really scummy from her.
I might go for a Grape lynch. His immediate townread of me felt off, and tonally he hasn't been as town as I remember him being.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
(No, I'm not faking town. All of my posts on MTGS have been in this thread and the only other place I've played is DLP-- Keldeo and Vaimes were both there for it.)
I was gonna say Rhand was creeping up to scum for me based on his "nothing happenin but semantics" post but with the "busy IRL" post, it might have just been due to skimming. Still don't feel SUPER great about him, but eh.
Grape is creeping towards scum based on some reads.
Yeah, I'm p close to running around wildly. I barely have time to keep up, let alone go back and really dig deep and read, but I AM trying. However, I WILL be gone until Sunday (MY DAUGHTER TURNS THREEEEEEEEEEEEE THERE WILL BE CAKE) so just gonna drop that now.
Sticking with DK wagon, mostly due to feel, following Gemma/Nacho, and mild spite. (I've made 20 posts in this thread, not 5. I only made this account for this game, so my post count is easy to track. Don't undercut my work. :P)
Gut feeling and mild sheeping got me to endgame in my first game (and I even managed to ascertain the final wolf, though town immediately mislynched me), so that's what I'm going with here.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Fulcrum
so I see your point, there is an excessive amount of fearmongering coming from Grape's focus on you
if I isolated those posts alone, sure, he looks pretty bad
but coupled with his other posts, I think its more just town!paranoia than a wolf leaving you as an open world at least as it stands
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Can you step in and explain why exactly you said what you said about fulcrum when she hasn't rolled scum in a long time? Like did you read old games, did you talk to people between now and the TinyHunt?
Combination of old games and things people have said about her in games. Honestly if anything the post she pulled from TinyHunt is in favour of this having been my opinion for a while (paranoid/scared of Reg and Fulcrum town reading each asking for other opinions but going along with it for the minute). I very vividly remember Reg saying something along the lines of "I've PoE'd the game D1 unless fonti is scum." which left an impression.
Can you step in and explain why exactly you said what you said about fulcrum when she hasn't rolled scum in a long time? Like did you read old games, did you talk to people between now and the TinyHunt?
Combination of old games and things people have said about her in games. Honestly if anything the post she pulled from TinyHunt is in favour of this having been my opinion for a while (paranoid/scared of Reg and Fulcrum town reading each asking for other opinions but going along with it for the minute). I very vividly remember Reg saying something along the lines of "I've PoE'd the game D1 unless fonti is scum." which left an impression.
At anyone who knows Regfan should he be this confident already? I know he's really good but I don't really buy the "ez game barring scum fonti" posturing and the idea that he's PoEd much to this point. But again I don't know if that's normal.
I will try to keep an eye on the thread during deadline, but I will be on a plane today and vacationing in the desert tomorrow.
I hope there’s wifi there.
Now, I am ******* tired, but a few thoughts based on this fresh revelation (and some other things):
Keldeo and Axelrod go up up up in towncred with this flip. More Keldeo than Axelrod, but Keldeo was the only person that KCC pushed in any significant way and I'm fairly confident that she wouldn't do that "haha I have a scummy role" and then proceed to push no one but her partner. Wrt Axelrod, I think if he was scum then the day probably would have turned out differently than "bus partner for 70% of the day then when she's actually get lynched wring my hands and do nothing".
Vaimes and DK both lose a bit of stock. With DK, don't know who pointed it out, but KCC not jumping on him is a very odd move if she's scum here - unless they're partners. Vaimes is one that I'm more conflicted about because I know there's bias there (still hate his push on me, surprise, surprise), but him dismissing the cases on both KCC and DK and using that as a reason to ignore the wagons is terrible.
am refreshing constantly to make sure i don't miss questions but will not be awake much longer - gonna shoot out an email and then i'm gone till the morning (and not sure i'll be around much/if at all because i gotta get my rest)
Maybe a bit cautionless but I trust Nacho more than Kitty even though I didn't really wanna lynch Kitty.
Vote KittyCupCake
Nacho, how sure are you on this? Like, no doubt, absolutely zero chance you're both town? Because that tips a good chunk of my worldview on its head.
95%. there's always a chance DV is a huge troll moderator but i read his other setup and that doesn't seem to be the case, so yeah pretty ******* sure.
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Last and Axel are the only two I remember really saying much about it right at this moment.
Last has been saying that KCC's softclaim is a reason for her to be town all game. Axel has been analyzing her claim in the past couple of pages since she claimed. No one scumread her for softing a scummy PR. There is no contingent of people.
Hey, since you know Grape, what do you think about my feelings about him? Do you think that change is within his town range?
I don't really care about your feelings towards him
Like I am all for working with people even though I don't have a clear sense of their alignment, but grape just doesn't give me any wolfy vibes right now
I'd want wagons on Axel, Nacho, and you.
Bruh, I'm not asking you if you care, I'm asking you to help me figure out if they're valid.
Which one of nacho/Axel is your partner? I'm leaning nacho
It's both of them.
I was halfway through the second page before I realized this was the one people kept referring to...
I need to reevaluate all of the early game takes I had formed on the idea that he actually deserved credit for breaking RVS without verifying.
I'm not real fond of Grape's posts but I have a bad read that makes me think he isn't a wolf and that I probably shouldn't talk about (yet)
I don't really want to lunch KCC but feel pretty ambivalent about the other wagons
I could see myself lunching tom if he ends up being the KCC counterwagon but I'm just as happy to lunch ~most of the other people with wagons on them over her too
Spicy. Can you explain?
Cool, thank you.
Unvote
My tunnels end when people die, or when a decent amount of information tells me otherwise
Not really spicy, it's pretty old news at this point. I haven't let go of my suspicions from gamestart. You don't remember?
Because I know you ******* can even if you are wrong, you still push things and it feels real, but here I don't see it, and your meta is actually nai at this point, so idk why people keep bringing it up
I don't expect you to care or back off, but tunneling me is most certainly not going to make me dance for you, but if you want to annoy both of us, my ****s are too low to stop you.
vote: Axelrod
W/e, if you are a wolf, you won't last
Combination of old games and things people have said about her in games. Honestly if anything the post she pulled from TinyHunt is in favour of this having been my opinion for a while (paranoid/scared of Reg and Fulcrum town reading each asking for other opinions but going along with it for the minute). I very vividly remember Reg saying something along the lines of "I've PoE'd the game D1 unless fonti is scum." which left an impression.
but I can't remember what. Maybe the Silver placement? Maybe the Nacho one? Not sure, notes are unclear.
Vote Axel
It's obviously unlikely that every scum pushes on KCC's claim. I'm townreading Last, and that claim is exactly the kind of thing he gets hung up on.
I'll give Vaimes a Night to get motivated before I start looking at him again.
DK could be scum, he feels dry but I'm apprehensive because IDK if that's just how he is. He was all full of passion when he was trying to lynch me in Modern but that's a small sample size.
I don't wanna lynch KCC. Aside from the claim, I'm not noting anything really scummy from her.
I might go for a Grape lynch. His immediate townread of me felt off, and tonally he hasn't been as town as I remember him being.
I was gonna say Rhand was creeping up to scum for me based on his "nothing happenin but semantics" post but with the "busy IRL" post, it might have just been due to skimming. Still don't feel SUPER great about him, but eh.
Grape is creeping towards scum based on some reads.
Yeah, I'm p close to running around wildly. I barely have time to keep up, let alone go back and really dig deep and read, but I AM trying. However, I WILL be gone until Sunday (MY DAUGHTER TURNS THREEEEEEEEEEEEE THERE WILL BE CAKE) so just gonna drop that now.
Sticking with DK wagon, mostly due to feel, following Gemma/Nacho, and mild spite. (I've made 20 posts in this thread, not 5. I only made this account for this game, so my post count is easy to track. Don't undercut my work. :P)
Gut feeling and mild sheeping got me to endgame in my first game (and I even managed to ascertain the final wolf, though town immediately mislynched me), so that's what I'm going with here.
so I see your point, there is an excessive amount of fearmongering coming from Grape's focus on you
if I isolated those posts alone, sure, he looks pretty bad
but coupled with his other posts, I think its more just town!paranoia than a wolf leaving you as an open world at least as it stands
Not sure what this means, could you elaborate on this?
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I don't want to lynch that claim. Seems town and she's still pretty locked into being pro-town with the actions.
Axel has been pretty aloof this game, but it might be a life thing, not an AI thing. I guess I'm fine with a lynch on him.
Rhand also seems like a reasonable place to wagon.
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I hope there’s wifi there.
also this is a scum slip and i'll give a shiny penny to anyone who can tell me why.
doesn't matter because (see above!), but for the lulz.
Keldeo and Axelrod go up up up in towncred with this flip. More Keldeo than Axelrod, but Keldeo was the only person that KCC pushed in any significant way and I'm fairly confident that she wouldn't do that "haha I have a scummy role" and then proceed to push no one but her partner. Wrt Axelrod, I think if he was scum then the day probably would have turned out differently than "bus partner for 70% of the day then when she's actually get lynched wring my hands and do nothing".
Vaimes and DK both lose a bit of stock. With DK, don't know who pointed it out, but KCC not jumping on him is a very odd move if she's scum here - unless they're partners. Vaimes is one that I'm more conflicted about because I know there's bias there (still hate his push on me, surprise, surprise), but him dismissing the cases on both KCC and DK and using that as a reason to ignore the wagons is terrible.
Maybe a bit cautionless but I trust Nacho more than Kitty even though I didn't really wanna lynch Kitty.
Vote KittyCupCake
Nacho, how sure are you on this? Like, no doubt, absolutely zero chance you're both town? Because that tips a good chunk of my worldview on its head.
question, if KCC flips town, can we lynch you?
on a scale of 1-10, how unlikely are both your roles on the same alignment?
95%. there's always a chance DV is a huge troll moderator but i read his other setup and that doesn't seem to be the case, so yeah pretty ******* sure.
slam dunk me
9.5
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