His vote on Asta definitely could have been a joke and he probably wasn't thinking what I was thinking but it's not like, a huge part of the read. I like his #process.
wait are those really the wagon formations? lmao
and paranoia on day 1 is meh, shouldn't be dictating where you vote, since that means they look good or at least a little decent
Not voting anyone I'm paranoid of, just tempering town reads on them with it. Affects the sorting of them within tiers but not whether I'd vote them or not.
Think everyone I have less than a null read on has a wagon right now so that's cool.
His vote on Asta definitely could have been a joke and he probably wasn't thinking what I was thinking but it's not like, a huge part of the read. I like his #process.
Sorry, you've lost me here. What are you calling his process?
Meh, I am not much of a "tempering" town reads kind of guy
if I think someone is town, they are town until PoE or analysis dictates otherwise
these trains are all good, except then Vezok wagon, and that's not even because of the people on it
Earlier I said I thought Vezok was closer to his wolf game based on the thoughts he was putting into the thread, but that's not the case anymore
and I don't think Axel's point means much of anything because maybe that's just what Vezok thought for whatever reason, and not so much that he is making up reads
I'll say things like before I even confirm them, and I think that's what Vezok is doing here, and it looks damn townie to not be worried if you are saying something that is stupid or possibly wrong
Slothful has asked many questions but does absolutely nothing with them
The only thing I can consider an actual thought from him is this: Add to that that your comments prior seemed to be specifically about Nacho, regardless of how you're painting them now...hm.
Possible early distancing...or waffling. Unsure as of yet.
like cool he is asking questions, he looks like he's trying to understand people, but that's like the easiest thing to do as a wolf
I would really like more content from him
Well, I'm townreading most active players so I'm at a stage where I'm happy as hell taking a shot in the pool of people who haven't done anything. Currently, feeling either dk or shadow (shadow's "I would replace out but I love my role" post really didn't do it for me). I will take the time later to comb through people's posts and approach the world with a slightly less rosy outlook, but I don't think I'll have the time/energy to do that in the near future so going with the flow for a minute.
Gemma's endorsement of the slot means quite a bit to me.
Am not endorsing the slot. I have him at 85/15 chance to be town/mafia. I haven't reread him and am really still in first impressions land with him. Pretty much entire read is based on his push on you.
I...... I could just be wacked out but I have no mindreaver read nor even a read on you, let alone a scumread. Did you mean Axel?
Anyways, for analysis on my vote: first day is chaos and nonsense. I'll try to get a general feel on some folks but I don't have a hope of getting a read I feel comfortable with on more than two or three people at my current ability so I'd just as soon wait until we get some more information.
Even if that information is "don't necessarily listen to X or Y" because whoops we did a mislynch. Anyways, I'm just kinda hopping along trying to parse what folks are saying but I still don't have a strong tie between general patterns and individuals so I'm kinda floundering a bit.
waiting for information is for losers.
I have two particularly special skills that I believe will be useful to you. The first is that I have a decent (?) rate as far as D1 scumreads go; I find that when I'm playing well as town I *usually* don't last very long, so I'm good at making an impression early. The second is that I've played dozens and dozens and dozens of mafia games with players who were playing their first/second games, so not only am I better than average at reading newer players but I'm also pretty good at teaching and pointing stuff out.
I think that you and I could benefit from a jam session - set an appointment and a time, then I'll bring some stuff up to talk about and you bring some stuff up to talk about and I promise we'll get to a place where we both don't feel as lost as we do currently. Would you be able/willing to do something like that?
I'll say things like before I even confirm them, and I think that's what Vezok is doing here, and it looks damn townie to not be worried if you are saying something that is stupid or possibly wrong
also Rhand says, in #487, and that's just wrong given Vezok is unlikely to defend his partners from what I remember, and you don't defend your partner like that
the pocketing comment is :uhh:, but I dont think a wolf really talks like that
@Nacho: are you familiar with champs rule? (If not, do you specifically find the high posters all townie, or just like your odds with low posters?)
i mostly just find the high posters townie.
this is a boring question and i don't like it. i know that you're busy and working a ton of hours and I empathize with being burned out and then trying to catch up and make an impact, but that's no reason to ask something like this where you clearly don't care about the answer...? take the time off you need to, get the sleep you need to, and then come back when you're able. i have a feeling that this day will last a little while thanks to the holiday season and no one knowing what the **** is going out.
I have Gemma as a town lean, but no, not because of the gifs.
Though they are funny.
It's mostly because she's handling people weirdly if she's a wolf, like,
She's put a lot of energy into Nacho and if she's a wolf I guess maybe her plan is to take him to endgame with her, but we've mindmelded a couple of times it felt like (fulcrum and Vaimes reads) and, I dunno. Just doesn't seem wolfy. Do you think she is?
this is a good observation wrt her treatment of me.
some of it isn't really alignment indicative (just her being a good person), but i do agree that there's a lot of energy working with me/helping me thrive that probably wouldn't be there if scum just because they are spoons that could be better spent advancing a scum win condition.
also Rhand says, in #487, and that's just wrong given Vezok is unlikely to defend his partners from what I remember, and you don't defend your partner like that
the pocketing comment is :uhh:, but I dont think a wolf really talks like that
says that Vezok/Fulcrum look W/W
somehow forgot to add that
I'll say things like before I even confirm them, and I think that's what Vezok is doing here, and it looks damn townie to not be worried if you are saying something that is stupid or possibly wrong
Popping in to say I have the night off tomorrow and will catch up then. Prepare to feast your eyes on 100 back to back posts within ten minutes of each other.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I have two particularly special skills that I believe will be useful to you. The first is that I have a decent (?) rate as far as D1 scumreads go; I find that when I'm playing well as town I *usually* don't last very long, so I'm good at making an impression early. The second is that I've played dozens and dozens and dozens of mafia games with players who were playing their first/second games, so not only am I better than average at reading newer players but I'm also pretty good at teaching and pointing stuff out.
I think that you and I could benefit from a jam session - set an appointment and a time, then I'll bring some stuff up to talk about and you bring some stuff up to talk about and I promise we'll get to a place where we both don't feel as lost as we do currently. Would you be able/willing to do something like that?
Very much doubt I'll be able to manage anything like synching up my time schedule with anything else, and I wouldn't even know where to begin! I'd need time to make notes but I doubt I would even be able to make anything useful even if I had a few hours to try it. Also being honest, I dunno if this is like a pockety move or if it's genuine yet!
I do hope Sloth hops back in soon.
I think I'm putting Gemma/Tom somewhere close to town for right now. There's probably 2-4 more folks I could put closer to town but I've not had much more than 30 minutes a day to read and post.
@Lastwhisper regarding the Tom conversation right now
IDK while I'm not all that good at this, I'll say that it seems obvi that a smart enough wolf can pretend to be a dumb townie. Even my completely new shtick wouldn't be hard to fake-- I do try to be honest and straightforward, but I know that that is, realistically, not enough to be "AI"
Regarding axelrod-s point. I thought there were more people townreading gemma for the gifs except myself.
And what I'm trying to decide is if I believe that - as of the time you made the initial vote.
It gets a bit nit-picky though.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Only reason I say it's not, fulcrum, is because honest and straightforward can be faked! It'll almost always have some issues, but it's not impossible!
If a jam session is in the cards, I'll try it, Nacho (based on Gemma's vouching).
Getting some nice interactions here! Have a few more people I'm like 55/45 on being town instead of 50/50! We'll see how it goes, since my POE is just based on gut feelings right now.
Only reason I say it's not, fulcrum, is because honest and straightforward can be faked! It'll almost always have some issues, but it's not impossible!
If a jam session is in the cards, I'll try it, Nacho (based on Gemma's vouching).
Getting some nice interactions here! Have a few more people I'm like 55/45 on being town instead of 50/50! We'll see how it goes, since my POE is just based on gut feelings right now.
Honesty amd scu hunting are the only real alignment indicative behaviors. Everything other type of read is just ab attempt to determine if those two things are real. For you, with your amount of experience, honesty is enough.
I kind of feel like a Townie would at least be apologizing here for doing so little.
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I kind of feel like a Townie would at least be apologizing here for doing so little.
Ew.
Don't shame people for notifying us about them being busy, man.
Can I shame them for lurking?
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@Asta: we have a mentor system on this site too. Then someone would be following you in a game and you can chat with them about it.
Maybe a good idea for your next game
Yeah, trying to look at the votes on me from Monday is literally useless. Nacho seems to be putting in consistent effort to Figure Things Out, so he seems fine, and the other three votes were just sheeping. I guess Gemma's later explanation of helping Nacho along is... ok, I guess, given their apparent level of familiarity. Asta's vote was silly, but from a brand new player that's NAI. Vaimes, I don't even know, but I still think he's town.
As far as the reactions go:
- KJ's reaction to my wagon was townie (and funny, but probably just to me).
tbf there is nothing in DK's iso that makes me think he is town, and the only thing that I really don't like is his shade of the Axel wagon, which can come from either alignment
but voting there now will just inflict paranoia
Last, what did you mean by "inflict paranoia"?
- I liked Silver's question to Last in 431 about our opinions of the Axel wagon.
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I'm back to a point where I can engage in this game again, but I'm having a really hard time doing so. Between a bunch of unfamiliar players, distracting nonsense/fluff that is impossible to get insight from and makes me want to eat broken glass, and a lack of any substantial cases, this is a chore. I'm just going to ask some questions and go from there.
@Nacho: You don't seem to be even remotely considering the possibility that Gemma is buddying you. Why is that? My apologies if you have already extrapolated on this in the thread, but I haven't seen it.
@tom: I think we ~mostly agree on reads. Could you check my readslist in #350 and give me a rap about where we disagree? Doesn't need to be individual reads for players (you have a bunch of those) just kind of how you're feeling about the game right now.
Silver, I'm curious... why did you specifically ask Tom about where you disagree on reads when you don't have him listed in your town reads?
Why not Nacho? There was that whole sequence P1/2 where he accused you of criticizing Gemma a bunch and generally misreading your arguments in kind of an unfair way.
This seems like a weird conclusion to come to based on what you're observing.
@Anyone: was there a Mindreaver post that got deleted?? There was a little mini-rush of a couple votes on him, but from what I can see he had not posted recently in the thread.
also Rhand says, in #487, and that's just wrong given Vezok is unlikely to defend his partners from what I remember, and you don't defend your partner like that
the pocketing comment is :uhh:, but I dont think a wolf really talks like that
I agree with the bolded.
@Rhand: Why do you think this kind of interaction would/could be AI for either player?
It’s just something scum!Fulcrum would never say to town!Vezok. A comment like that can make Vezok wary of Fulcrum, and that is not what scum wants to achieve.
It doesn’t make either of them scum. It can be town to ? or scum to scum.
It’s just something scum!Fulcrum would never say to town!Vezok. A comment like that can make Vezok wary of Fulcrum, and that is not what scum wants to achieve.
It doesn’t make either of them scum. It can be town to ? or scum to scum.
I mean, the point of it was that vezok seemed way too certain that I was town off of one interaction that wasn't even that good for her. I would appreciate you (and anyone else interested) assessing that.
I know y'all sick of these pop-ins. It's so close to over, finally on my way back home, so in the next few hours I can re-read and post, provided the inflight wifi doesn't cost $100. Way too much drinking and business speak for me. Off tomorrow morning as well, So if there is anything specific other than thing things already in the thread, and you can toss those out in the next 3 hours, I can respond.
Killjoy 401: original reading I was like "are you fishing for ways to share my "all the actives cant be town" to be some tmi argument. and upon re-read, I liked the phrasing you used so I'm going to instead probably give you the benefit of the doubt there. By "can't" I meant "isn't probable that all scum are just sitting on their hands right now". A scum Tom/silver/nacho/vaimes/last at least would know that would be a significant departure from their town games, and random is still random."
Also I was kinda hoping that I would see some frustration from scum teammates of those lurkers. I havent seen it *yet* in a careful re-read, but that latest dk wagon reeks of it.
And your 446 is basically the same thing... so what's up?
And I can't find the post number while I board, but what's up with the whole "scum would push me as a mislynch and they aren't so ??????? I'm not sure how I feel about that, but it pinged hard.
Silver continues to be reasonable. No desire to look there.
Last voting kj is, something I might do if I wasn't in leadership mentoring meetings and I'm all brainwashed :). Seems impulsive, but I can understand the guy reaction. Not interested in voting.
Getting some nice interactions here! Have a few more people I'm like 55/45 on being town instead of 50/50! We'll see how it goes, since my POE is just based on gut feelings right now.
Just so you know, everyone in the game has a 75% chance to be town (known as "rand town", because it's the base random chance to be town) and 25% chance to be mafia by standard rules. I understanding you intend to say that you're unsure one way or the other, but being 50/50 on someone is mathematically actually a scumread. What you're actually saying by 50/50 is that you think they've done enough scummy stuff to be 25% below rand town. Make sense?
Also I was kinda hoping that I would see some frustration from scum teammates of those lurkers. I havent seen it *yet* in a careful re-read, but that latest dk wagon reeks of it.
@DKings: What's weird about the conclusion? Do you think that scum!Nacho:
Subtly and indirectly accused Silver of criticizing Gemma (51)
Pushed him as scum for asking player no one knew their experience, a mostly innocuous question (54)
Kind of finds something new to scumread him for, which even after Nacho was corrected on (by both Silver AND Vaimes), Nacho still aggressively pushes his (wrong) positions (62->63->65->66->68->69->71->72->77)
Then COMPLETELY flips his read on a dime (78) and then drops it.
Like, go back to page one, start reading at Axel's breaking RVS in 34, then stop at about 80. I can't see them both being on the same scumteam.
Killjoy 401: original reading I was like "are you fishing for ways to share my "all the actives cant be town" to be some tmi argument. and upon re-read, I liked the phrasing you used so I'm going to instead probably give you the benefit of the doubt there. By "can't" I meant "isn't probable that all scum are just sitting on their hands right now". A scum Tom/silver/nacho/vaimes/last at least would know that would be a significant departure from their town games, and random is still random."
Also I was kinda hoping that I would see some frustration from scum teammates of those lurkers. I havent seen it *yet* in a careful re-read, but that latest dk wagon reeks of it.
And your 446 is basically the same thing... so what's up?
And I can't find the post number while I board, but what's up with the whole "scum would push me as a mislynch and they aren't so ??????? I'm not sure how I feel about that, but it pinged hard.
Silver continues to be reasonable. No desire to look there.
Last voting kj is, something I might do if I wasn't in leadership mentoring meetings and I'm all brainwashed :). Seems impulsive, but I can understand the guy reaction. Not interested in voting.
Er... what? Is this a train of thought?
How am I supposed to read you not strawmanning me and giving me the benefit of the doubt? But then comparing 401 and 446 as "more of the same so what's up" even though I was very obviously not naming lurkers there.
And you not knowing that the post where I make the assertion that "scum would push me as a mislynch but aren't" is... post 446, which you just referenced and compared one of my other posts to. Which you don't know how to feel about, except it "pinged hard" implying you know at least kinda how you feel about it.
I almost wanna vote you based on this, but I feel like I'm probably misunderstanding something integral because jesus wtf are you even saying?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Asta (1): Slothful (#44)
Rhand (3): Silvercrys3467 (#143), fulcrum (#499), Killjoy (#516)
M1ndreaver (3): vezokpiraka (#182), tomsloger (#545), Lastwhisper (#546)
vezokpiraka (3): M1ndreaver (#280), dkingsland967 (#312), Rhand (#487)
dkingsland967 (3): Nachomamma8 (#408), Vaimes (#412), Asta (#425)
Abstaining (3): KittyCupCake, shadowlancerx, Gemma
Something, something wagon formation, something, wolf
and paranoia on day 1 is meh, shouldn't be dictating where you vote, since that means they look good or at least a little decent
Think everyone I have less than a null read on has a wagon right now so that's cool.
It doesn't feel agenda-y
if I think someone is town, they are town until PoE or analysis dictates otherwise
these trains are all good, except then Vezok wagon, and that's not even because of the people on it
Earlier I said I thought Vezok was closer to his wolf game based on the thoughts he was putting into the thread, but that's not the case anymore
and I don't think Axel's point means much of anything because maybe that's just what Vezok thought for whatever reason, and not so much that he is making up reads
I'll say things like before I even confirm them, and I think that's what Vezok is doing here, and it looks damn townie to not be worried if you are saying something that is stupid or possibly wrong
The only thing I can consider an actual thought from him is this:
Add to that that your comments prior seemed to be specifically about Nacho, regardless of how you're painting them now...hm.
Possible early distancing...or waffling. Unsure as of yet.
like cool he is asking questions, he looks like he's trying to understand people, but that's like the easiest thing to do as a wolf
I would really like more content from him
Well, I'm townreading most active players so I'm at a stage where I'm happy as hell taking a shot in the pool of people who haven't done anything. Currently, feeling either dk or shadow (shadow's "I would replace out but I love my role" post really didn't do it for me). I will take the time later to comb through people's posts and approach the world with a slightly less rosy outlook, but I don't think I'll have the time/energy to do that in the near future so going with the flow for a minute.
I'm not really anywhere near scumreading Last OR Silver. Are you, or are visions of LW-scum still dancing in your head?
understood, thanks for the clarification.
i don't.
i just think others are townier.
waiting for information is for losers.
I have two particularly special skills that I believe will be useful to you. The first is that I have a decent (?) rate as far as D1 scumreads go; I find that when I'm playing well as town I *usually* don't last very long, so I'm good at making an impression early. The second is that I've played dozens and dozens and dozens of mafia games with players who were playing their first/second games, so not only am I better than average at reading newer players but I'm also pretty good at teaching and pointing stuff out.
I think that you and I could benefit from a jam session - set an appointment and a time, then I'll bring some stuff up to talk about and you bring some stuff up to talk about and I promise we'll get to a place where we both don't feel as lost as we do currently. Would you be able/willing to do something like that?
the pocketing comment is :uhh:, but I dont think a wolf really talks like that
i mostly just find the high posters townie.
this is a boring question and i don't like it. i know that you're busy and working a ton of hours and I empathize with being burned out and then trying to catch up and make an impact, but that's no reason to ask something like this where you clearly don't care about the answer...? take the time off you need to, get the sleep you need to, and then come back when you're able. i have a feeling that this day will last a little while thanks to the holiday season and no one knowing what the **** is going out.
this is a good observation wrt her treatment of me.
some of it isn't really alignment indicative (just her being a good person), but i do agree that there's a lot of energy working with me/helping me thrive that probably wouldn't be there if scum just because they are spoons that could be better spent advancing a scum win condition.
somehow forgot to add that
meh, looking townie is overrated
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I'd like the lurkers to post more as I have townreads on mostly everyone who os posting.
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Very much doubt I'll be able to manage anything like synching up my time schedule with anything else, and I wouldn't even know where to begin! I'd need time to make notes but I doubt I would even be able to make anything useful even if I had a few hours to try it. Also being honest, I dunno if this is like a pockety move or if it's genuine yet!
I do hope Sloth hops back in soon.
I think I'm putting Gemma/Tom somewhere close to town for right now. There's probably 2-4 more folks I could put closer to town but I've not had much more than 30 minutes a day to read and post.
@Lastwhisper regarding the Tom conversation right now
IDK while I'm not all that good at this, I'll say that it seems obvi that a smart enough wolf can pretend to be a dumb townie. Even my completely new shtick wouldn't be hard to fake-- I do try to be honest and straightforward, but I know that that is, realistically, not enough to be "AI"
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Not that you are, I am just saying
It gets a bit nit-picky though.
If a jam session is in the cards, I'll try it, Nacho (based on Gemma's vouching).
Getting some nice interactions here! Have a few more people I'm like 55/45 on being town instead of 50/50! We'll see how it goes, since my POE is just based on gut feelings right now.
Honesty amd scu hunting are the only real alignment indicative behaviors. Everything other type of read is just ab attempt to determine if those two things are real. For you, with your amount of experience, honesty is enough.
I kind of feel like a Townie would at least be apologizing here for doing so little.
Ew.
Don't shame people for notifying us about them being busy, man.
Maybe a good idea for your next game
As far as the reactions go:
- KJ's reaction to my wagon was townie (and funny, but probably just to me).
- Last's was... eh.
Last, what did you mean by "inflict paranoia"?
- I liked Silver's question to Last in 431 about our opinions of the Axel wagon.
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I'm back to a point where I can engage in this game again, but I'm having a really hard time doing so. Between a bunch of unfamiliar players, distracting nonsense/fluff that is impossible to get insight from and makes me want to eat broken glass, and a lack of any substantial cases, this is a chore. I'm just going to ask some questions and go from there.
@Nacho: You don't seem to be even remotely considering the possibility that Gemma is buddying you. Why is that? My apologies if you have already extrapolated on this in the thread, but I haven't seen it.
Silver, I'm curious... why did you specifically ask Tom about where you disagree on reads when you don't have him listed in your town reads?
This seems like a weird conclusion to come to based on what you're observing.
@Anyone: was there a Mindreaver post that got deleted?? There was a little mini-rush of a couple votes on him, but from what I can see he had not posted recently in the thread.
I agree with the bolded.
@Rhand: Why do you think this kind of interaction would/could be AI for either player?
Both town and scum like pouring wine, I just don't see how you can draw any lines from that.
It doesn’t make either of them scum. It can be town to ? or scum to scum.
I mean, the point of it was that vezok seemed way too certain that I was town off of one interaction that wasn't even that good for her. I would appreciate you (and anyone else interested) assessing that.
@Axel, that's fine.
@dk I'm glad someone else feels my pain.
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Killjoy 401: original reading I was like "are you fishing for ways to share my "all the actives cant be town" to be some tmi argument. and upon re-read, I liked the phrasing you used so I'm going to instead probably give you the benefit of the doubt there. By "can't" I meant "isn't probable that all scum are just sitting on their hands right now". A scum Tom/silver/nacho/vaimes/last at least would know that would be a significant departure from their town games, and random is still random."
Also I was kinda hoping that I would see some frustration from scum teammates of those lurkers. I havent seen it *yet* in a careful re-read, but that latest dk wagon reeks of it.
And your 446 is basically the same thing... so what's up?
And I can't find the post number while I board, but what's up with the whole "scum would push me as a mislynch and they aren't so ??????? I'm not sure how I feel about that, but it pinged hard.
Silver continues to be reasonable. No desire to look there.
Last voting kj is, something I might do if I wasn't in leadership mentoring meetings and I'm all brainwashed :). Seems impulsive, but I can understand the guy reaction. Not interested in voting.
Hi! Could you expand on this part?
I don't think there was a Mindreaver post, there's been some suspicion of him without votes from a while ago
I'm glad we got this immortalized as an actual vote count rofl
Er... what? Is this a train of thought?
How am I supposed to read you not strawmanning me and giving me the benefit of the doubt? But then comparing 401 and 446 as "more of the same so what's up" even though I was very obviously not naming lurkers there.
And you not knowing that the post where I make the assertion that "scum would push me as a mislynch but aren't" is... post 446, which you just referenced and compared one of my other posts to. Which you don't know how to feel about, except it "pinged hard" implying you know at least kinda how you feel about it.
I almost wanna vote you based on this, but I feel like I'm probably misunderstanding something integral because jesus wtf are you even saying?