So I can't tell you if my dreams last the whole cycle or not, but I can assure u that Past which I just activated would not have affected the end of the last day phase, as stated by the mod to me
Two queens have fallen in two days. As dkingsland967 takes his last breath a ghostly scream leaves his mouth and a spirit rises from his corpse. The weather begins to warm up as Spring begins to take shape but suddenly it begins to snow harder. Something has meddled with the natural order of the seasons.
dkingsland967 has been lynched by majority vote. They were Titania - ???? Summer Queen
Titania- ???? Summer Queen Summer Ability - Summer Energy
The first time it becomes Summer, gain a one-shot ability of Summer Wrath.
Day Ability - Summer Wrath Once per game during the day, you may message the mod during the day to kill another target player. That player will be burned beyond recognition. Because of this their role and role abilities will not be revealed upon death, but their alignment will. A death scene will be made of the player burning. This ability may not be used if it would result in the Mafia equaling or outnumbering the Town.
Yearly Ability - Fae Networks Once per game, after the first season cycle has passed, you may perform the factional nightkill as though it was a previous Night of your choosing.
Night Five begins now and will last 48 hours. Night Five will end on January 31st at 1 PM PST.
The Current Season is Winter
It stays Winter here, before night. The name of today is Winter of Past. It's def possible last did it.
@KCC/everyone: Last's abilities don't make sense here. This happened before Last would have used his Past ability, and it's a good assumption that what it does is revert to the previous season.
Last used his Past ability before N5. Revenge also went off D4. Something is off here.
Revenge did not go off day 4... it went off Day 5
Past would not affect night 5, so if day 6 was supposed to be Spring, then we can assume that my ability brought it back to Winter
nothing is off, you are tunneling me for no reason
Is it really KCC fulcrum though? That would make the final two d1 votecount pure except for dk.
This btw is one of the reasons I'm scum reading last. Even on a scum wagon, seven town in a row is hard to grasp. On town KCC, it's be even less likely.
excuse me? wagonomics is literally one of the least consistence mafia tools in this game
why the hell couldn't the train on KCC be clean?
the whole train on Azreal was clean in Modern Mafia...
I literally lost a game to this kind of analysis, I may use it as a way to group people, but in all honesty in means almost nothing
Mechanics mean more, but still can easily be manipulated, which is why we should just be looking at people's posts and consistency
Vaimes has gone from one of my strongest wolf reads, to someone I am certain is town, someone who is actively helping me figure this ***** out, next to Silver. Killjoy probably doesnt have the balls to push me as a wolf with TMI, with this game state, especially when its actually a waste with so many better things he can push
Proph hasnt really posted yet, but given today so far, KCC/Fulcrum/Asta are in the lower tier
After the DK flip, Asta was suspect given the message, so I targeted him to see if there was something he wasn't telling me. Apperently he didn't use a seasonal ability last night.
The Dreaming God is a role that possesses a list of many flavor names for one-shot abilities. Pregame and during each Night, it must compulsively choose one ability to use. The Dreaming God is not told what any of their abilities do.
A Dreaming God has a list of names for abilities (typically ten of them), chosen by the moderator pregame. Each name corresponds to an ability; however, the Dreaming God does not know the correspondence. (However, the flavour names contain hints for the user to figure out; the choice of action is thus not random, but dependent on how well the Dreaming God can deduce what their actions do.)
The abilities are usually global and untargeted, rather than affecting a particular player; they're more like changes to the game's ruleset. Examples of common Dreaming God abilities include things like deadline changes, and relaxations of the rule against private communication.
like I didnt even know this was a real role before this game, and somehow I made it up?
ok
like I'm not saying my role can't be a mafia role, because it can be, but to debate, the randomness of my role is a bit silly
since that's effectively what the dreaming god is, semi-calculated choices based on the flavor of the ability
I first posted that DK was protecting me Dec 22nd. There was some occasional questioning, and I finally dropped the full paraphrase including the detail that a fairy had the message on Jan 3rd. Dec 22nd-Jan 3rd was a bit of a busy time obvis and I only had about 7 posts total during that time.
Alright, quick reads list from what I've got
Towncore
Vezok - mason
Last - constantly solving
Killjoy - feels solvy, has some form of rolecop from Vaimes via Fulcrum? (Killjoy PLEASE stop tunnelling Last though there are more suspicious people elsewhere)
Vaimes - has felt solvy the whole time, RIP yo :C
As for the rest (KCC, fulcrum, silver, proph), I'm actually digging through DKing's posts to try and dig up any useful nuggets. Noticing the interesting thing where he tries to push me and Proph as a team.
Noted that DK tried to throw shade at Vaimes, insisting that Vaimes had the chance to offer a trade and learn ability name. Possible reason why Vaimes got hit? So that wouldn't be an option?
Also DK claiming the Summer of Love as a trigger for one-use of the bodyguard ability was sneaky af-- just slightly reframed his actual role.
DK throws out casually the idea that fulcrum is a scum who tried to kill night 1 but got roleblocked in a post trying to pocket LastWhisper???
God, then DK does commentary on KCC's commentary on Rhand's analysis. I feel like the commentary on commentary was pocketing KCC. He doesn't talk about Proph at all, though that comes later. During this commentary on commentary, he briefly mentions silver as a maybe-scum but doesn't talk much about it, insinuates a Rhand/Keldeo team and tries to tie fulcrum to that possibility, annnnd also tried to flip around KCC's town-lean on me based on Rhand's *****ty scum shade.
DK spends most of his last day really striking into Proph and trying to link me to Proph. I'm not sure if that's bussing with the intent to pin a mislynch on me or just scum trying to get a town lynch there. Proph was very nearly lynched that day, so it wouldn't be unreasonable for DK to just call it quits and try to get towncred while setting up the next day's mislynch.
Honestly DKing's frustration at Proph feels a little genuine and fierce, so I think it might not be Proph.
I was thinking again on how I'd probably have not announced double voting ability as long as possible were I mafia, but that would run into the problem of "What role DO you have, Asta?" and Benevolence would not cut it I think. Probably the other reason DK pretended to be bodyguard, so folks wouldn't question what he was doing.
I don't know if I really believe it's Silver anymore...
Like he is clearly trying to solve the game right now...
and now its Fulcrum/KCC, that are playing relatively 3rd party, and like sure its early, but idk
and Proph needs to give me his god damn thoughts, I literally pushed everyone off him, because I wanted more time
```Also DK claiming the Summer of Love as a trigger for one-use of the bodyguard ability was sneaky af-- just slightly reframed his actual role.```
@Asta
where is this post?
```Also DK claiming the Summer of Love as a trigger for one-use of the bodyguard ability was sneaky af-- just slightly reframed his actual role.```
@Asta
where is this post?
DK throws out casually the idea that fulcrum is a scum who tried to kill night 1 but got roleblocked in a post trying to pocket LastWhisper???
Yeah if that happened..
Lol I dunno if dkings throws a partner under the bus like that
honestly there are some things like this, which feels like straight-up shade on Fulcrum
Quote from Rhand »
fulcrum being scum here makes sense. In this world, she probably did perform a kill that failed on N1, and Keldeo is claiming potential kill stoppage + setting up to bus her if necessary for monumental towncred, but he isn't going to push it unless it becomes obvious she's going to get lynched. The scum probably do believe Last's ability prevented the kill, but Keldeo wants to subtlely discount Last's role/towncred with the whole "pretty sure he didn't stop the kill" thing. Also, look who fulcrum isn't voting right now despite "understanding" the points against him (hint: it's Keldeo).
Yeah if that happened..
Lol I dunno if dkings throws a partner under the bus like that
honestly there are some things like this, which feels like straight-up shade on Fulcrum
Quote from Rhand »
fulcrum being scum here makes sense. In this world, she probably did perform a kill that failed on N1, and Keldeo is claiming potential kill stoppage + setting up to bus her if necessary for monumental towncred, but he isn't going to push it unless it becomes obvious she's going to get lynched. The scum probably do believe Last's ability prevented the kill, but Keldeo wants to subtlely discount Last's role/towncred with the whole "pretty sure he didn't stop the kill" thing. Also, look who fulcrum isn't voting right now despite "understanding" the points against him (hint: it's Keldeo).
I am debating just voting KCC here...
Kind of the opposite of shade, innit?
Like, assuming that's a thing that happened I kind of just want to lunch in Asta/KCC and see what happens
Yeah if that happened..
Lol I dunno if dkings throws a partner under the bus like that
honestly there are some things like this, which feels like straight-up shade on Fulcrum
Quote from Rhand »
fulcrum being scum here makes sense. In this world, she probably did perform a kill that failed on N1, and Keldeo is claiming potential kill stoppage + setting up to bus her if necessary for monumental towncred, but he isn't going to push it unless it becomes obvious she's going to get lynched. The scum probably do believe Last's ability prevented the kill, but Keldeo wants to subtlely discount Last's role/towncred with the whole "pretty sure he didn't stop the kill" thing. Also, look who fulcrum isn't voting right now despite "understanding" the points against him (hint: it's Keldeo).
I am debating just voting KCC here...
Kind of the opposite of shade, innit?
Like, assuming that's a thing that happened I kind of just want to lunch in Asta/KCC and see what happens
well calling your partner a wolf isnt hard, I am mostly refering to the last sentence, "Also, look who fulcrum isn't voting right now despite "understanding" the points against him (hint: it's Keldeo).", which is a little different
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Yeah I think it's just Asta/X here, with X being one of Silver or KCC (or fulcrum, but I was rereading some stuff over Night and I think I was probably wrong on her Yesterday)
Vote Asta
Don't really want to go into the mechanical discussion because it hurts my brain but I think dkings targeted Asta with a beneficial mafia ability N1 and they both just rolled with it as "dkings targeted Asta with a mod confirm". Asta's post where he says that it might not be me is kiiiiiind of making me second guess myself (because I feel like scum Asta would be trapped and would have no idea what to do besides push on me) but there is literally no one else that can be scum, so. God this game.
I could be also reading too much into this, but:
Quote from Asta »
Great, town is imploding. Killjoy and Last are hung up on each other. This sucks. AND my wagon is getting run up for like the fourth time this game. Whatever. Going along with the DK lynch didn't do enough.
Feels like the bolded doesn't come from a town mindset.
Townies never have this thought process - they never think that going along with scum lynches would do anything to help clear them. Townies just want to get a solid game solve going; not what Asta is posting above.
Quote from Lastwhisper »
@Proph
in a Silver targeting Vaimes world, is there any chance you are the reason for the roleblock?
I don't remember where all your orbs are at
Nope. My orbs explicitly state that only people with green orbs are orbs that do the roleblocking.'
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Hey, can anyone outline what getting a trade from Vaimes looks like? Does the Mod spell out everything or is it presented in messages from someone else? Because if the latter, that would establish a precedent for messages being a thing one can send in the game. (Obviously Vaimes didn't send my bogus message, not insinuating that. Just trying to see if that's something others have encountered in the game.)
Also, if DK's alignment is missing, could that imply one of their abilities was scrubbed? Like they got partially scrubbed?
Mostly the cases outside dk have been "seems erratic and care about how he's perceived! no insecure townie who has been on a wagon repeatedly would care about how they're perceived!"
There are no meaningful links between me and Rhand. I've tried my best to explain all the ***** with dk but mafia did a good job setting me up. At this point, I can understand lynching based on that, so woohoo, bad luck.
@Proph: Yeah, if I was scum, I would just dig up the wagon on you from yesterday and push that. That'd be easiest, but town-me feels like it wouldn't necessarily be correct based on what DK said and what folks he pushed yesterday. He spent a LOT of effort trying to malign you and me (HE TRIED TO INSINUATE I WAS THE DAYKILLER AND STOLE GEMMA'S ROLE!!!!!!! JACKANAPE!) but he barely posted during the Rhand stuff except to try setting up a Keldeo mislynch the next day. So I think you're town based on that and I really hope you dig through em to see as much.
Unfortunately, once I'm dead, you'll still have two wolves in Fulcrum/KCC/Silver/Proph and I really can't figure at this point which it would be. Based on what I saw in the DK stuff, Silver/KCC/Fulcrum/Proph seems like the order to go but y'all are gonna wake up with 7, then 5, then 3 provided you keep lynching every day and mafia keeps shooting. So you'll have two shots at getting at least one wolf before lylo.
I'd really advise you put heavy pressure on one of those three in my POE before committing to lynching me because you're not gonna get much info from my corpse.
If dk/asta are scum/scum then the message is a mistake from Asta and that would kinda make dking disprove it, but at the same time they should have discussed this in scum chat and not come out so badly.
If dk/Asta are scum/town then dking worked with the mafia to send the message so he shouldn't be confused by it. It was his way to rope another mislynch in case he dies. So that means the mafia couldn't have sent this message in this case. That means the message was either invented by asta or sent by a third party and dking was afraid that asta was running a gambit to make him claim something untrue about the way his role interacted. None of these situations make that much sense which means that Asta has to be scum for this whole ordeal to have sense, but if Asta is scum why claim the message at all?
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The lack of kill and the existence of the message Night 1 perfectly fits if the scumteam is just fulcrum/KJ. She was blocked, and no one can confirm KJ's action. He was the last one to claim after literally ALL of the Night actions were laid out and has no accountability. But I am so, so sure he's town.
The random swaps makes me feel like KCC has to be scum. With all the claims out there, is there room for someone else to have manipulative abilities?
I feel in my bones that Asta was set up to look awful after dk's flip, which is probably why dk ended up getting lunched. By all rights Asta is a free mislunch here.
The lack of kill and the existence of the message Night 1 perfectly fits if the scumteam is just fulcrum/KJ. She was blocked, and no one can confirm KJ's action. He was the last one to claim after literally ALL of the Night actions were laid out and has no accountability. But I am so, so sure he's town.
The random swaps makes me feel like KCC has to be scum. With all the claims out there, is there room for someone else to have manipulative abilities?
I feel in my bones that Asta was set up to look awful after dk's flip, which is probably why dk ended up getting lunched. By all rights Asta is a free mislunch here.
I think this is everything from living players. C is confirmed actions, UC is unconfirmed claimed actions. I left off Vez and last, as they have the same confirmed actions every Night.
D1
Proph - Vez C blue orb
N1
Silver - Proph C spring name
Proph - Axel->Nacho C green orb
KCC - Axel/Nacho C busdrive
KJ - Axel UC->Nacho UC mimic nothing
Fulcrum - Nothing UC (RBed) C
Asta - Nothing UC
Vaimes - Vez C Trade, gets nothing
?? - message townAsta
?? - NK blocked (scumfulcrum or lasts ability)
N2
Silver - Nothing UC
Proph - dk(UC)->nothing(RB C) yellow orb
KCC - Proph C & silver/fulcrum UC RB & BD
KJ - Axel C mimic watch
Fulcrum - passiveKJ UC town used ability
Asta - Nothing UC
Vaimes - fulcrum C Trade cop
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
If Asta is scum, he probably wasn't targeted N1 and silver should be scum. This doesn't explain N1 kill or vaimes N4. Could be lasts ability N1 and Asta or Silver would need a redirect or busdrive. Winds of Past could force a player to target someone they targeted on a previous Night?
If KJ is scum, fulcrum is scum. This explains N1 NK, and if KJ mimicked me, he could have had a N4 redirect and N5 busdrive. KJ needs a message ability.
If silver is scum, and Asta town. We need a messenger, but no N5 RB. KJ can't be scum. Fulcrum can't be messenger from RB. Everyone else has confirmed actions, so either scum took a double action N1, or Silver can't be scum without Asta.
If fulcrum is scum, and KJ is town. If other scum is Asta, how was he targeted? Asta probably town, so we need a messenger and it's not fulcrum. Everyone else has actions confirmed, so again, either scum took a double action N1, or Fulcrum can't be scum without KJ.
If Last is scum, he needs to have abilities beyond the Dreams he can use at same time. A message could make sense? Also needs a redirect/busdrive AND a RB unless scum with silver.
If Proph is scum, that could explain a silver RB. Silver probably town. Asta town. Needs a message ability useable alongside orbs. Does not explain Vaimes N4.
Because he is new and didn't know abilities aren't usually confirmed like that, and didn't check with his team.
Like, remember the time years ago when we were scum together, and had day chat, and you were asked to claim, and you horrifically botched it, effectively claiming scum, because you didn't run it by us first? -Daychat only goes so far
If Asta is scum, he probably wasn't targeted N1 and silver should be scum. This doesn't explain N1 kill or vaimes N4. Could be lasts ability N1 and Asta or Silver would need a redirect or busdrive. Winds of Past could force a player to target someone they targeted on a previous Night?
If KJ is scum, fulcrum is scum. This explains N1 NK, and if KJ mimicked me, he could have had a N4 redirect and N5 busdrive. KJ needs a message ability.
If silver is scum, and Asta town. We need a messenger, but no N5 RB. KJ can't be scum. Fulcrum can't be messenger from RB. Everyone else has confirmed actions, so either scum took a double action N1, or Silver can't be scum without Asta.
If fulcrum is scum, and KJ is town. If other scum is Asta, how was he targeted? Asta probably town, so we need a messenger and it's not fulcrum. Everyone else has actions confirmed, so again, either scum took a double action N1, or Fulcrum can't be scum without KJ.
If Last is scum, he needs to have abilities beyond the Dreams he can use at same time. A message could make sense? Also needs a redirect/busdrive AND a RB unless scum with silver.
If Proph is scum, that could explain a silver RB. Silver probably town. Asta town. Needs a message ability useable alongside orbs. Does not explain Vaimes N4.
Killjoy should be able to confirm that Winds of Past is "target a player and choose a night, learn if that player was targeted that night" since he said he copied it on N4, so I can't be the busdriver/redirector
Also there's KCC teams, which I guess I can enumerate
KCC admitted she can busdrive and use another ability the same night, so if she just lied about her abilities being seasonal and her N2 action, then fulcrum could be the messenger *or* she could also have the message ability and didn't claim it since dkings had already crumbed the fake claim (seems like they set up the bodyguard thing pretty far in advance)
She could also be with Asta and Asta used a self targeting ability, or she used the busdrive and used another ability on Asta
Basically either KCC or Killjoy is definitely a wolf, KCC could be anyone's partner if she has the message ability
KCC could have the message ability and be ~anyone's partner, just about (fulcrum or Asta, primarily)
Killjoy should be able to confirm that Winds of Past is "target a player and choose a night, learn if that player was targeted that night" since he said he copied it on N4, so I can't be the busdriver/redirector
Also there's KCC teams, which I guess I can enumerate
KCC admitted she can busdrive and use another ability the same night, so if she just lied about her abilities being seasonal and her N2 action, then fulcrum could be the messenger *or* she could also have the message ability and didn't claim it since dkings had already crumbed the fake claim (seems like they set up the bodyguard thing pretty far in advance)
She could also be with Asta and Asta used a self targeting ability, or she used the busdrive and used another ability on Asta
Basically either KCC or Killjoy is definitely a wolf, KCC could be anyone's partner if she has the message ability
KCC could have the message ability and be ~anyone's partner, just about (fulcrum or Asta, primarily)
I can't have sent a message n1 because I was roleblocked. Also, Proph gave me a blue orb last night, Kcc.
So if it's you/KCC then KCC has to have the message
Kind of think she has to have it no matter what, but I forget what she claimed her flavor was
I guess it's possible dkings had the message and it didn't flip with him but Nacho's ability was one shot and flipped so
So if it's you/KCC then KCC has to have the message
Kind of think she has to have it no matter what, but I forget what she claimed her flavor was
I guess it's possible dkings had the message and it didn't flip with him but Nacho's ability was one shot and flipped so
Revenge did not go off day 4... it went off Day 5
Past would not affect night 5, so if day 6 was supposed to be Spring, then we can assume that my ability brought it back to Winter
nothing is off, you are tunneling me for no reason
Day 6 wasn't supposed to start spring though, Ñ5 should have been Spring already. So, something happened there to stop the switch after dks lynch
That's still definitely not your Past dream though
why the hell couldn't the train on KCC be clean?
the whole train on Azreal was clean in Modern Mafia...
I literally lost a game to this kind of analysis, I may use it as a way to group people, but in all honesty in means almost nothing
Mechanics mean more, but still can easily be manipulated, which is why we should just be looking at people's posts and consistency
Vaimes has gone from one of my strongest wolf reads, to someone I am certain is town, someone who is actively helping me figure this ***** out, next to Silver. Killjoy probably doesnt have the balls to push me as a wolf with TMI, with this game state, especially when its actually a waste with so many better things he can push
Proph hasnt really posted yet, but given today so far, KCC/Fulcrum/Asta are in the lower tier
like I didnt even know this was a real role before this game, and somehow I made it up?
ok
vote fulcrum
or vote Asta
since that's effectively what the dreaming god is, semi-calculated choices based on the flavor of the ability
Have you claimed results from last night, or a role name?
he is like super threading the line, right now
Not impossible, but silly
Alright, quick reads list from what I've got
Towncore
Vezok - mason
Last - constantly solving
Killjoy - feels solvy, has some form of rolecop from Vaimes via Fulcrum? (Killjoy PLEASE stop tunnelling Last though there are more suspicious people elsewhere)
Vaimes - has felt solvy the whole time, RIP yo :C
As for the rest (KCC, fulcrum, silver, proph), I'm actually digging through DKing's posts to try and dig up any useful nuggets. Noticing the interesting thing where he tries to push me and Proph as a team.
Noted that DK tried to throw shade at Vaimes, insisting that Vaimes had the chance to offer a trade and learn ability name. Possible reason why Vaimes got hit? So that wouldn't be an option?
Also DK claiming the Summer of Love as a trigger for one-use of the bodyguard ability was sneaky af-- just slightly reframed his actual role.
DK throws out casually the idea that fulcrum is a scum who tried to kill night 1 but got roleblocked in a post trying to pocket LastWhisper???
God, then DK does commentary on KCC's commentary on Rhand's analysis. I feel like the commentary on commentary was pocketing KCC. He doesn't talk about Proph at all, though that comes later. During this commentary on commentary, he briefly mentions silver as a maybe-scum but doesn't talk much about it, insinuates a Rhand/Keldeo team and tries to tie fulcrum to that possibility, annnnd also tried to flip around KCC's town-lean on me based on Rhand's *****ty scum shade.
DK spends most of his last day really striking into Proph and trying to link me to Proph. I'm not sure if that's bussing with the intent to pin a mislynch on me or just scum trying to get a town lynch there. Proph was very nearly lynched that day, so it wouldn't be unreasonable for DK to just call it quits and try to get towncred while setting up the next day's mislynch.
Honestly DKing's frustration at Proph feels a little genuine and fierce, so I think it might not be Proph.
I think this leaves my POE at Silver/...???
I was thinking again on how I'd probably have not announced double voting ability as long as possible were I mafia, but that would run into the problem of "What role DO you have, Asta?" and Benevolence would not cut it I think. Probably the other reason DK pretended to be bodyguard, so folks wouldn't question what he was doing.
Like he is clearly trying to solve the game right now...
and now its Fulcrum/KCC, that are playing relatively 3rd party, and like sure its early, but idk
and Proph needs to give me his god damn thoughts, I literally pushed everyone off him, because I wanted more time
@Asta
where is this post?
I mean this post lmao
Lol I dunno if dkings throws a partner under the bus like that
I am debating just voting KCC here...
if she wouldnt even vote on Rhand?
Spéirbhean town dreamer
Nothing, I gave my ability to Vaimes.
Please help me get there if you are town, like I am not like Killjoy...
I will listen
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Like, assuming that's a thing that happened I kind of just want to lunch in Asta/KCC and see what happens
I misunderstood lol
A hit with my ability says much more, and I figured maybe I could catch Asta doing something he should not be able to do.
Unvote. IDK if last is town but I'm too tilted to evaluate him fairly I think right now.
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Don't really want to go into the mechanical discussion because it hurts my brain but I think dkings targeted Asta with a beneficial mafia ability N1 and they both just rolled with it as "dkings targeted Asta with a mod confirm". Asta's post where he says that it might not be me is kiiiiiind of making me second guess myself (because I feel like scum Asta would be trapped and would have no idea what to do besides push on me) but there is literally no one else that can be scum, so. God this game.
I could be also reading too much into this, but:
Feels like the bolded doesn't come from a town mindset.
Townies never have this thought process - they never think that going along with scum lynches would do anything to help clear them. Townies just want to get a solid game solve going; not what Asta is posting above.
Nope. My orbs explicitly state that only people with green orbs are orbs that do the roleblocking.'
I'm thinking Occum just says Asta is lying. I'm considering voting there.
Also, if DK's alignment is missing, could that imply one of their abilities was scrubbed? Like they got partially scrubbed?
Mostly the cases outside dk have been "seems erratic and care about how he's perceived! no insecure townie who has been on a wagon repeatedly would care about how they're perceived!"
There are no meaningful links between me and Rhand. I've tried my best to explain all the ***** with dk but mafia did a good job setting me up. At this point, I can understand lynching based on that, so woohoo, bad luck.
@Proph: Yeah, if I was scum, I would just dig up the wagon on you from yesterday and push that. That'd be easiest, but town-me feels like it wouldn't necessarily be correct based on what DK said and what folks he pushed yesterday. He spent a LOT of effort trying to malign you and me (HE TRIED TO INSINUATE I WAS THE DAYKILLER AND STOLE GEMMA'S ROLE!!!!!!! JACKANAPE!) but he barely posted during the Rhand stuff except to try setting up a Keldeo mislynch the next day. So I think you're town based on that and I really hope you dig through em to see as much.
Unfortunately, once I'm dead, you'll still have two wolves in Fulcrum/KCC/Silver/Proph and I really can't figure at this point which it would be. Based on what I saw in the DK stuff, Silver/KCC/Fulcrum/Proph seems like the order to go but y'all are gonna wake up with 7, then 5, then 3 provided you keep lynching every day and mafia keeps shooting. So you'll have two shots at getting at least one wolf before lylo.
I'd really advise you put heavy pressure on one of those three in my POE before committing to lynching me because you're not gonna get much info from my corpse.
Here is DK claiming Summer of Love: https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/815132-ever-changing-seasons-mafia-day-six-winter-of-past?page=79#c3909
Here is DK's commentary on KCC's commentary on Rhand: https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/815132-ever-changing-seasons-mafia-day-six-winter-of-past?page=75#c3732
Here are just all of dk's posts for quick easy overview: https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/search?by-author=dkingsland967&display-type=0&display-type=0&forum-scope=f&page=2&search-thread-id=815132&search-type=0&submit=y
y'all might see some shenanigans I didn't catch.
I'll check in later, see if the votecount is dece.
If dk/asta are scum/scum then the message is a mistake from Asta and that would kinda make dking disprove it, but at the same time they should have discussed this in scum chat and not come out so badly.
If dk/Asta are scum/town then dking worked with the mafia to send the message so he shouldn't be confused by it. It was his way to rope another mislynch in case he dies. So that means the mafia couldn't have sent this message in this case. That means the message was either invented by asta or sent by a third party and dking was afraid that asta was running a gambit to make him claim something untrue about the way his role interacted. None of these situations make that much sense which means that Asta has to be scum for this whole ordeal to have sense, but if Asta is scum why claim the message at all?
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We probably just have to kill the people who's actions are either unconfirmed or unaccounted for. vOv
The message thing is ******* stupid and no scenario makes sense.
The random swaps makes me feel like KCC has to be scum. With all the claims out there, is there room for someone else to have manipulative abilities?
I feel in my bones that Asta was set up to look awful after dk's flip, which is probably why dk ended up getting lunched. By all rights Asta is a free mislunch here.
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D1
Proph - Vez C blue orb
N1
Silver - Proph C spring name
Proph - Axel->Nacho C green orb
KCC - Axel/Nacho C busdrive
KJ - Axel UC->Nacho UC mimic nothing
Fulcrum - Nothing UC (RBed) C
Asta - Nothing UC
Vaimes - Vez C Trade, gets nothing
?? - message townAsta
?? - NK blocked (scumfulcrum or lasts ability)
N2
Silver - Nothing UC
Proph - dk(UC)->nothing(RB C) yellow orb
KCC - Proph C & silver/fulcrum UC RB & BD
KJ - Axel C mimic watch
Fulcrum - passiveKJ UC town used ability
Asta - Nothing UC
Vaimes - fulcrum C Trade cop
N3
Silver - Gemma/Keldeo UC didn't target
Proph - KJ C orange orb
KCC - Silver UC delay shield
KJ - Keldeo UC mimic nothing
Fulcrum - passiveProph/Silver UC
Asta - Nothing UC
Vaimes - KJ C Trade Axel's watch
N4
Silver - AstaN1 UC was targeted
Proph - Silver C blue orb
KCC - Axel UC Trap
KJ - Silver UC mimic dead target cop
Fulcrum - passiveSilver UC ability name
Asta - Nothing UC
Vaimes - Last UC ->fulcrum C Trade ability cop
?? - Redirect vaimes->fulcrum or busdrive fulcrum/last
D4
Proph - Vaimes C blue orb
N5
Silver - Vaimes N4 UC -> nothing RB
Proph - ?blue orb?
KCC - Nothing UC
KJ - Asta UC mimic nothing
Fulcrum - Nothing UC
Asta - Nothing UC
Vaimes - passiveSilver UC ability name
?? - RB townSilver
If Asta is scum, he probably wasn't targeted N1 and silver should be scum. This doesn't explain N1 kill or vaimes N4. Could be lasts ability N1 and Asta or Silver would need a redirect or busdrive. Winds of Past could force a player to target someone they targeted on a previous Night?
If KJ is scum, fulcrum is scum. This explains N1 NK, and if KJ mimicked me, he could have had a N4 redirect and N5 busdrive. KJ needs a message ability.
If silver is scum, and Asta town. We need a messenger, but no N5 RB. KJ can't be scum. Fulcrum can't be messenger from RB. Everyone else has confirmed actions, so either scum took a double action N1, or Silver can't be scum without Asta.
If fulcrum is scum, and KJ is town. If other scum is Asta, how was he targeted? Asta probably town, so we need a messenger and it's not fulcrum. Everyone else has actions confirmed, so again, either scum took a double action N1, or Fulcrum can't be scum without KJ.
If Last is scum, he needs to have abilities beyond the Dreams he can use at same time. A message could make sense? Also needs a redirect/busdrive AND a RB unless scum with silver.
If Proph is scum, that could explain a silver RB. Silver probably town. Asta town. Needs a message ability useable alongside orbs. Does not explain Vaimes N4.
Right.
Kinda wish you had double checked Asta N1 with that.
Because he is new and didn't know abilities aren't usually confirmed like that, and didn't check with his team.
Like, remember the time years ago when we were scum together, and had day chat, and you were asked to claim, and you horrifically botched it, effectively claiming scum, because you didn't run it by us first? -Daychat only goes so far
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With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Also there's KCC teams, which I guess I can enumerate
KCC admitted she can busdrive and use another ability the same night, so if she just lied about her abilities being seasonal and her N2 action, then fulcrum could be the messenger *or* she could also have the message ability and didn't claim it since dkings had already crumbed the fake claim (seems like they set up the bodyguard thing pretty far in advance)
She could also be with Asta and Asta used a self targeting ability, or she used the busdrive and used another ability on Asta
Basically either KCC or Killjoy is definitely a wolf, KCC could be anyone's partner if she has the message ability
KCC could have the message ability and be ~anyone's partner, just about (fulcrum or Asta, primarily)
I can't have sent a message n1 because I was roleblocked. Also, Proph gave me a blue orb last night, Kcc.
So if it's you/KCC then KCC has to have the message
Kind of think she has to have it no matter what, but I forget what she claimed her flavor was
I guess it's possible dkings had the message and it didn't flip with him but Nacho's ability was one shot and flipped so