KillJoy:
He’s very easy to read as town, and this is town!him.
I wonder if he can mimick his towngame as scum. I haven’t seen him as scum in a loooong time. But I doubt he can. His towngame is extremely pure.
Verdict: town
I think KJ is scum. After all the times he was wrong about my alignment, I should be at least in his lean reads.
As town I always saw him evolve the read at least. Now he just throws me in his mafia reads.
I think he sees me as an easy “scumread“ because I always catch flak early game.
vote Killjoy
Rhand, can you walk me through what changed between these posts?
You said earlier that you were wondering if Killjoy was just faking the tunnel to have an excuse to park on you. But he moved his vote to Axel.
Is your movement off him purely because your TRs were calling your interactions v/v? Do you have any thoughts on his more recent posting? I get you also want to reread the top "wagons," but I want to get into your head here.
@Rhand, you haven't really talked about Silver since responding to that post Silver made about your early post, which was about his approach from very early on. Does this read still hold up to you - in other words, has your townread been reaffirmed or eroded by stuff he's done? His approach to you no longer seems to be "your posts feel weird," given that he fleshed out his read on you more later.
The read became less strong, but I still think he's town. It's very common to enter a Rhand tunnel early and never leave it.
It's something in the way my posts sound. I wish I knew what it was so I would get mislynched less often as town.
Also, Rhand, tell me about what distinguished Silver's approach to you from Killjoy's approach in your mind. You seemed to have the "he could be tunneling me" line of thought toward both of them, but also scumread KJ for not reevaluating on it, and townread Silver when Silver didn't reevaluate on it either?
I don't fully remember why as this was like a month and a half ago, but I have in my notes from around the time you posted these that they were total softball questions (I'm guessing it's because Rhand had already explained it).
@ tom, I think based on Rhand's general cadence that he is just the type of person who phrases things in a way that makes him seem extremely sure, regardless of alignment. There's a lot of rhetoric like "x would never do this as y alignment" or "this world would be completely unreasonable" both in his posting here and in this one post he quoted to I think dkings that was from a previous game.
Does this affect your Rhand/KJ aligned read? It makes me a little skeptical... well, I guess it would point more in the direction of Rhand v/KJ w being possible, where Rhand just sounds like he is not evaluating because that's how he phrases things, and KJ is faking this Rhand tunnel that Rhand is talking about, but I don't really think KJ is a wolf.
Alternatively/in addition, could you just, like, talk for a bit about why you don't think that it is a w/v world where one of them is faking the tunnel? I don't think it's /that/ hard to fake OMGUS tunneling a villager as a wolf. Rhand spent a lot of time talking about KJ being a wolf and then just went off of him for what seems to me like kind of a thin reason, which doesn't make a ton of sense to me as either alignment really.
You then made this post defending Rhand before he even answered you about KJ, meaning you knew the answer to the question you asked.
There are a few more recent posts that pinged me as well, but you have a *****load of posts and I don't have time to ISO you at the moment.
Rhand at L-2. Would prefer for no maj, though I will probably miss deadline. Do you have any last words or a final legacy, Rhand?
And mmmm. I'm kind of voting because we need to get maj, but something that sticks out to me is like, the backtracking about how his role works when people were expressing skepticism about using an ability the same night as he backed it up (I think it was mainly Axel? which could be a point against Axel/Rhand w/w, but Axel probably needs to bury him as his partner here anyway because he's the CW.)
Why in the world would you want to no lynch again? And why the contradiction in "would prefer no maj" immediately followed by "because we need to get to maj"? *Side note: If Rhand/Keldeo are indeed W/W, Axel is town.
- Keldeo has asked a LOT of players for their thoughts on Rhand over the course of the game... seems like he was trying to stay ahead of the curve in case bussing became necessary. Which, frankly, aligns with his self-meta on bussing.
- The whole thing about Rhand not being native English and Keldeo being wordy/eloquent looks like a super safe interaction to ensure they talk TO each other and not just ABOUT each other.
- Rhand going after Keldeo for "not taking hard stances" seems like another safe buddy attack... it's easy to defend against "because style/personality", plus lots of players in this game haven't been taking many hard stances, presumably because of the disconnect and activity levels the holidays have caused.
Ehhhh.... KCC is actually the one thing that sows just a bit of doubt in my "virtual lock" read on Rhand/Keldeo.
She had a couple posts D1 that solidly pointed to a W/V pairing (I'll dig them up in a few... her ISO is much easier to parse), and she also looks pretty bad with an Rhand scum flip.
We are supposedly going to be in Fall tonight, yes? So I am learning "names of abilities" that target a player. This is not amazing. For that reason, it is not ridiculous to use this just in an attempt to "confirm" someone is targeting someone else. But who are we confirming here? The existence of the Orbs isn't in dispute at this point (well, I guess technically we have only had one orb confirmed, but the claim is such that Proph could be made to prove it at literally any time, so I'm not doubting the existence of other color orbs either. What they actually do is something else, I guess.
So is that what this is, trying to prove that the Yellow Orb does what Proph said? I'm not really sure that's worth it either. Especially the part where he's using up one of his limited "Day" shots to give me a Yellow Orb, which seems like the most useless one. He pretty much ought to be giving out the Blue Orbs to people he thinks are Town and the Green ones to people he thinks are scum. And I think Orange ones to people he thinks are Town too. And the utility of that is almost completely nullified if it's always announced who has them?
Eh. I do not have the brainpower for this right now. My attitude these days seems to be: see if I am alive tomorrow, then do stuff.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
It's not an inconsistency. The lynch being frozen on Mind is a byproduct of the whole deal. Bad gamestates don't just happen, they're a result of the collective process of the players in the game.
The game is where it is because Mind should have been lynched a week ago.
KCC/Mindreaver W/V
I also feel like she spent most of D1 going after Mindreaver until she got run up.
We are supposedly going to be in Fall tonight, yes? So I am learning "names of abilities" that target a player. This is not amazing. For that reason, it is not ridiculous to use this just in an attempt to "confirm" someone is targeting someone else. But who are we confirming here? The existence of the Orbs isn't in dispute at this point (well, I guess technically we have only had one orb confirmed, but the claim is such that Proph could be made to prove it at literally any time, so I'm not doubting the existence of other color orbs either. What they actually do is something else, I guess.
So is that what this is, trying to prove that the Yellow Orb does what Proph said? I'm not really sure that's worth it either. Especially the part where he's using up one of his limited "Day" shots to give me a Yellow Orb, which seems like the most useless one. He pretty much ought to be giving out the Blue Orbs to people he thinks are Town and the Green ones to people he thinks are scum. And I think Orange ones to people he thinks are Town too. And the utility of that is almost completely nullified if it's always announced who has them?
Eh. I do not have the brainpower for this right now. My attitude these days seems to be: see if I am alive tomorrow, then do stuff.
I'm inclined to be against this plan. We don't know how many day shots Proph has left, if he even does have any left, and I agree the yellow orb seems to be the worst one.
It had always been prophesied that Hades God of the Underworld would be the first of the traitors to fall. With his last breath Rhand fulfilled the prophecy by revealing himself to be a traitor thus sealing his own fate. For who can fight against destiny?
As Rhand drew his last breath the leaves of the trees started to change colors and fall signaling the change of seasons.
Rhand has been lynched by majority vote. They were Hades - Mafia Corpse Mimic
Hades - Mafia Corpse Mimic Ability - God of the Underworld Each Night, you may target a dead player and choose a seasonal ability that player has. You will gain the seasonal ability of that player, but the season will change to match the current season.
Passive Ability - Godhood Twice per game when you use God of the Underworld you may choose to have the ability that is taken to be assigned to the season of your choosing.
Night Three begins now and will last 48 hours. Night Three will end on January 8th at 4 PM PST.
The Current Season is Fall
If all of the abilities are dramatically game altering, I think Tranquility is probably just that, a Day of peace, with no effect. That makes the most sense to me. Which, if he's scum, would have to mean either
1) He is actually completely in the dark about what the abilities do, but that seems kinda weird on scum or
2) He does know more or all of the effect, but needs to pick one every Night, and just wanted to get that blank one out of the way first. But I don't think that really makes sense as scum play either or
3) He actually didn't get a N0 ability and false claimed it knowing his future abilities would alter the Title, or similarly, a Tranquility ability was actually chosen automatically N0, because breaking D1 is probably bad game design?
The more I'm thinking about it... We could have had D1 96 hour kingmaker? Or D1 unanimous lynch? And we just all got lucky he picked an ability that didn't do anything, at least not anything noticable?
This bugs me, and I can't think of a good resolution to it.
If Wisp knows more about what his abilities do, he'd probably know that they were anti-town in some capacity, so I don't get why he would claim when he did, with no provocation or questioning. I also think that if he were mafia and knew more about his abilities, he would probably not have chosen Tranquility on night 0. Plus, from a variety of posts he's made since claiming, I just don't think that he knows what his abilities do.
But if he didn't know what his abilities did... then I guess we could have had a kingmaker, or increased majority, or something on day 1? That seems really weird. Maybe whatever he chose first silently had no effect, or something, but then why not just have his role be n1+? I don't have an answer. Maybe we did all just get lucky.
And completely separately from mechanics, I think Wisp has been towny. It's for kind of squishy reasons, which feels bad, but I've correctly townread him in the past for squishy reasons. His realizations and emotional reactions to things, like the 10 to lynch thing, feel congruent with town him. I feel like some of his pushes haven't gone anywhere, but he feels kind of agendaless in that as well, and I don't doubt his conviction. His read on me was, hm, iirc he townread me when he didn't have to, which did not feel opportunistic in a way I might expect of him as mafia. You could label that as TMI but it didn't... really feel like that, or feel like he's TMIing KCC.
I don't think Wisp saying that he talked about KCC a lot is a lie. He did mention his feelings on her throughout the game, and I think he was referring to that rather than the specific scumread or not-townread on her.
I feel like a part of your scumread on him, KCC, is that you feel that town would not get frustrated or irritated by your questioning, right? But I think it's natural for some people to become frustrated when people push them or ask for reasoning, no matter their alignment. I think Wisp saw "I have no reason to townread you," which he mentioned multiple times, as a fine answer to your question about why he thought you were a good shot, so your continued probing into it was irritating. And now, re: the TMI thing, it's like you're putting something forward and saying "this is wolfy," and reading him as asking "but why are you doing this, I don't understand why you are making this argument?" aka not understanding the possibility that you could be mafia, but I am reading his responses as saying "but why is that wolfy at all, I don't understand the argument itself?" If that makes sense.
I don't know if this is actually what is going on, but it makes sense to me as an interpretation of the situation in the context of me thinking Wisp is town, so uh. Yeah.
KCC, could you refresh me on why you think Rhand is town?
Day Four Start The town is woken from their friendly dreams by a horrible scream of anguish. The town rushes to the noise where they find Grapefrui21 dead.
Grapefruit21 has been killed during the night. They were Pyramus - Town Fated Mason
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You may chat with them at any time at X.
Day Four begins now and ends on January 19th at 8 PM PST.
The Current Season is Fall.
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
I still gotta finish my read list, only killjoy and keldeo to go
So Vezok is finally confirmed nice
@silver
My readlist has you on the lower end of a town read into a scum lean so hopefully this changes my mind, since Im still in a world where at least one of you/axel/fulcrum is a wolf mechanically
It bothers me that I don’t have a read on Dkings/Fulcrum/Shadow at all now that they’ve started posting. Especially Shadow. I’m generally good at reading him and he’s just not pinging me in any direction. Last game I played with Dkings he radiated town to the point he got Daykilled by scum and I’m not getting that here either.
Still working my way through his ISO because procrastination, but #ruleofthree.
I still gotta finish my read list, only killjoy and keldeo to go
So Vezok is finally confirmed nice
@silver
My readlist has you on the lower end of a town read into a scum lean so hopefully this changes my mind, since Im still in a world where at least one of you/axel/fulcrum is a wolf mechanically
My role is pretty worthless on a wolf, but it'll come down to whether you believe it or not
I also have 1 in Axel/Fulcrum, though
There's 1 in Proph/KCC
+1 is in Keldeo/Killjoy unless you think the day kill is stapled to one of the claimed roles or Rhand lost it after using it somehow
(I have not read Rhand for alignments yet for whatever that's worth)
I haven't reread for partners at all and will probably be V/LA until the weekend.
The EOD3 flavor text mentions the prophecy of Hades/Rhand being the first mafia to die. I don't know what that means about the ability. Maybe it was just the increased maj because everyone agrees with a prophecy or something.
Should I claim first/now? I don't have info so I don't /think/ we'd lose anything by me going first, and it feels like an opportune time to look at the daykill thing.
If you wanna just believe killjoy is town, or maybe u did the work but don't care enough to say it cause you think wolf reading him at this stage is dumb, but I'm going to make a read on everyone, and make sure people know my thoughts
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I mean we are at the point where everyone has probably the same PoE? There is a hidden day killer, and we are still at, "I would not prefer to claim, could be useful later"
Complacency will lose this game, and I want to make a read on paper to help my own thought process and I get, "he is town, thank me later"
Axel/Proph/keldeo wins us the game, right? So there's no need to think anymore, let's go down the line
Alright. I'm Mab, Town Winter Queen. I'm a variant roleblocker.
I have a summer day ability, Preparation for Winter. I can target someone during summer days, and the next night they'll be roleblocked. This roleblock will happen even if I die during the day, and if I target someone who dies during the day, it doesn't do anything (I can't give a conditional action). I'm not sure if my block can be tracked/watched or blocked, but I'm guessing the answer is no. I can ask if needed.
I have a winter night roleblock, Queen of Winter. If I successfully prevent a non-factional ability, I'll lose Queen of Winter and gain a one-shot of whatever ability I prevented.
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I softed this a couple times in pretty oblique ways, I'll fetch the posts in a bit.
I targeted fulcrum d1 after the season change, and dkings d2, so fulcrum was roleblocked on n1 and dkings on n2. I wasn't really sure what to do with the block given that there were no roles out I was skeptical of, and I was in a rush to submit my action d2 after Vezok said she would shoot early, so I was trying to target people I wasn't sure were town, where the block wouldn't have any effect if they were telling the truth (fulcrum said her abilities were all passive, dkings had already placed his BG.)
This also makes for kind of an aesthetically pleasing arrangement of overt disruptives - you've got KCC's block in spring, my block in summer/fall depending on when the seasons change, tom's one-shot JK in fall, and my other block in winter.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I thought there was more but what I noted down was:
M1ndreaver softed our flavor with "Winter is coming" all the way back in 184.
"I feel like there's something missing from dk's role?" in 1982 - we had parallel flavor but dkings' role seemed to have less to it, with only one ability
Negative space thing where I didn't mention Asta bringing up Mab/Maeve at all. Didn't want to accidentally slip that I was Mab because that probably reveals that I have a winter ability.
"Kind of side-eyeing [Vaimes'] claim" in 2465 - I had no specific objection to Vaimes' claim outside of him also apparently having the ability to gain other live people's abilities, so I kept this super vague. (I no longer feel this way, feel he's not w/w with Rhand on a surface level)
"I feel like [the n1 kill] was probably prevented another way" in 2454 - I would've doubted Tranquility prevented the kill anyway, but I at least knew there was at least one blocking action in play n1
All of this is pretty oblique lol, but I'm not really one to claim or openly soft before mass if I don't have any info.
Sorry to hear about your job though, good luck with that
Wagons point to Axel being a partner maybe since his wagon never really gained traction as a counter but I'm not super sure they were doing theater
Still like my KCC/Keldeo team though
Coooould be fulcrum she was the only one who seemed to really be trying to get Axel over Rhand I guess
I have this from D1 specifically noted:
I don't fully remember why as this was like a month and a half ago, but I have in my notes from around the time you posted these that they were total softball questions (I'm guessing it's because Rhand had already explained it).
You then made this post defending Rhand before he even answered you about KJ, meaning you knew the answer to the question you asked.
There are a few more recent posts that pinged me as well, but you have a *****load of posts and I don't have time to ISO you at the moment.
A couple other things, too...
Why in the world would you want to no lynch again? And why the contradiction in "would prefer no maj" immediately followed by "because we need to get to maj"?
*Side note: If Rhand/Keldeo are indeed W/W, Axel is town.
- Keldeo has asked a LOT of players for their thoughts on Rhand over the course of the game... seems like he was trying to stay ahead of the curve in case bussing became necessary. Which, frankly, aligns with his self-meta on bussing.
- The whole thing about Rhand not being native English and Keldeo being wordy/eloquent looks like a super safe interaction to ensure they talk TO each other and not just ABOUT each other.
- Rhand going after Keldeo for "not taking hard stances" seems like another safe buddy attack... it's easy to defend against "because style/personality", plus lots of players in this game haven't been taking many hard stances, presumably because of the disconnect and activity levels the holidays have caused.
Ehhhh.... KCC is actually the one thing that sows just a bit of doubt in my "virtual lock" read on Rhand/Keldeo.
She had a couple posts D1 that solidly pointed to a W/V pairing (I'll dig them up in a few... her ISO is much easier to parse), and she also looks pretty bad with an Rhand scum flip.
So is that what this is, trying to prove that the Yellow Orb does what Proph said? I'm not really sure that's worth it either. Especially the part where he's using up one of his limited "Day" shots to give me a Yellow Orb, which seems like the most useless one. He pretty much ought to be giving out the Blue Orbs to people he thinks are Town and the Green ones to people he thinks are scum. And I think Orange ones to people he thinks are Town too. And the utility of that is almost completely nullified if it's always announced who has them?
Eh. I do not have the brainpower for this right now. My attitude these days seems to be: see if I am alive tomorrow, then do stuff.
everything else will have to wait
Well, I've got this nugget from one of my own earlier posts:
I also feel like she spent most of D1 going after Mindreaver until she got run up.
so I dont accidently forget tomorrow
L1 I believe
vote: Rhand
L1
I'm inclined to be against this plan. We don't know how many day shots Proph has left, if he even does have any left, and I agree the yellow orb seems to be the worst one.
but also lol scum
Unvote, vote Rhand
I’ll be honest, I’m a little surprised scum!Rhand tried pushing me again.
If he's actually a neutral and is trolling us about being scum, I'll chuckle
I guess I'll spend some time at night trying to figure out which of KCC/Keldeo is more likely to be Rhand's teammate.
vote Rhand
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Yeah, that's a good idea.
The Current Season is Spring.
With 14 Alive it takes 10 to lynch.
A death scene will come soonTM
Keldeo I would prefer not to give out an orb Today because Reasons. I don't think that your plan is the most optimal use of my ability
I'll do some interaction analysis on rhand tomorrow and see if we can break the game open from there
As Rhand drew his last breath the leaves of the trees started to change colors and fall signaling the change of seasons.
Rhand has been lynched by majority vote. They were Hades - Mafia Corpse Mimic
Ability - God of the Underworld
Each Night, you may target a dead player and choose a seasonal ability that player has. You will gain the seasonal ability of that player, but the season will change to match the current season.
Passive Ability - Godhood
Twice per game when you use God of the Underworld you may choose to have the ability that is taken to be assigned to the season of your choosing.
The Current Season is Fall
The town is woken from their friendly dreams by a horrible scream of anguish. The town rushes to the noise where they find Grapefrui21 dead.
Grapefruit21 has been killed during the night. They were Pyramus - Town Fated Mason
You are a mason with X and you know that they are Town.
You may chat with them at any time at X.
The Current Season is Fall.
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Keldeo should go before me at minimum and it would be better if Killjoy did, as well
Fulcrum's order probably doesn't matter for this
So Vezok is finally confirmed nice
@silver
My readlist has you on the lower end of a town read into a scum lean so hopefully this changes my mind, since Im still in a world where at least one of you/axel/fulcrum is a wolf mechanically
Vote Prophylaxis
I also have 1 in Axel/Fulcrum, though
There's 1 in Proph/KCC
+1 is in Keldeo/Killjoy unless you think the day kill is stapled to one of the claimed roles or Rhand lost it after using it somehow
(I have not read Rhand for alignments yet for whatever that's worth)
I haven't reread for partners at all and will probably be V/LA until the weekend.
The EOD3 flavor text mentions the prophecy of Hades/Rhand being the first mafia to die. I don't know what that means about the ability. Maybe it was just the increased maj because everyone agrees with a prophecy or something.
Should I claim first/now? I don't have info so I don't /think/ we'd lose anything by me going first, and it feels like an opportune time to look at the daykill thing.
If you wanna just believe killjoy is town, or maybe u did the work but don't care enough to say it cause you think wolf reading him at this stage is dumb, but I'm going to make a read on everyone, and make sure people know my thoughts
I'll read up on Rhand.
Grape flip means Vezok is town.
Count me out.
Complacency will lose this game, and I want to make a read on paper to help my own thought process and I get, "he is town, thank me later"
Axel/Proph/keldeo wins us the game, right? So there's no need to think anymore, let's go down the line
Watching the joker, will finish my thoughts tomorrow since it's my day off or maybe later tonight, who knows
I have a summer day ability, Preparation for Winter. I can target someone during summer days, and the next night they'll be roleblocked. This roleblock will happen even if I die during the day, and if I target someone who dies during the day, it doesn't do anything (I can't give a conditional action). I'm not sure if my block can be tracked/watched or blocked, but I'm guessing the answer is no. I can ask if needed.
I have a winter night roleblock, Queen of Winter. If I successfully prevent a non-factional ability, I'll lose Queen of Winter and gain a one-shot of whatever ability I prevented.
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I softed this a couple times in pretty oblique ways, I'll fetch the posts in a bit.
I targeted fulcrum d1 after the season change, and dkings d2, so fulcrum was roleblocked on n1 and dkings on n2. I wasn't really sure what to do with the block given that there were no roles out I was skeptical of, and I was in a rush to submit my action d2 after Vezok said she would shoot early, so I was trying to target people I wasn't sure were town, where the block wouldn't have any effect if they were telling the truth (fulcrum said her abilities were all passive, dkings had already placed his BG.)
This also makes for kind of an aesthetically pleasing arrangement of overt disruptives - you've got KCC's block in spring, my block in summer/fall depending on when the seasons change, tom's one-shot JK in fall, and my other block in winter.
M1ndreaver softed our flavor with "Winter is coming" all the way back in 184.
"I feel like there's something missing from dk's role?" in 1982 - we had parallel flavor but dkings' role seemed to have less to it, with only one ability
Negative space thing where I didn't mention Asta bringing up Mab/Maeve at all. Didn't want to accidentally slip that I was Mab because that probably reveals that I have a winter ability.
"Kind of side-eyeing [Vaimes'] claim" in 2465 - I had no specific objection to Vaimes' claim outside of him also apparently having the ability to gain other live people's abilities, so I kept this super vague. (I no longer feel this way, feel he's not w/w with Rhand on a surface level)
"I feel like [the n1 kill] was probably prevented another way" in 2454 - I would've doubted Tranquility prevented the kill anyway, but I at least knew there was at least one blocking action in play n1
All of this is pretty oblique lol, but I'm not really one to claim or openly soft before mass if I don't have any info.
Did you target me with a roleblock assuming it wouldn't stop a passive ability? Excuse you?